From emptywheel’s liveblogging:
Whitehouse: Process question. In terms of advisory responsibilities, not going to investigate. You’ve disclosed waterboarding not part of CIA interrogation regime. Still leaves open torture statute whether there are concrete facts or circumstances, given that that evaporates, whatever it is it is. I’m trying to determine if that is taking place (the analysis), if you’re waiting for Durham’s investigation to look more into what happened. Or if there has been a policy determination made, that bc there has been a claim of authority, there will be no investigation. What is the process for coming to this decision.
MM: Facts come to the attention to the Department that warrant investigation.
Could there be a more nonchalant, nonresponse to a very pointed question on an issue of such ethical import and legal consequence? (If you missed the hearings, The Muck has a series of clips of testimony.) Marty Lederman and Jack Balkin parse various bits of testimony into what Mukasey is really saying. Very Queen of Hearts, if you ask me: "Sentence first, verdict after." Glenn is disgusted, as is Digby, as am I. Yglesias links to some good background information. And Scott Horton has this to say:
…Elihu Root, a close friend of Theodore Roosevelt’s and one of the titans of the New York Bar, put it bluntly and in terms that could not be better suited to the current predicament. “About half of the practice of a decent lawyer is telling would-be clients that they are damn fools and should stop.”
The Senate Judiciary Committee put Michael Mukasey to the test yesterday. And he left the hearing room as an embarrassment to those who have known and worked with him over the last twenty years, and who mistakenly touted his independence and commitment to do the right thing, come what may. On the other hand, Vice President Cheney, the principal author of the torture system, must be elated and relieved. Indeed, Cheney’s lawyer Shannen Coffin rushed to National Review Online to give Mukasey’s performance an enthusiastic seal of approval. Mukasey flunked the simple test that Elihu Root posed for all lawyers: he doesn’t have the gumption to tell the president that his torture program is unlawful and needs to be shutdown. Moreover, he’s fully bought in to the cover-up….
Beyond the sickening fact that all of this is occurring in all of our names, and has been for years now, and that the rule of law and principles of morality long-held as the cornerstones of human rights policy are mere inconveniences to be ignored entirely, we are now in the unenviable position of being laughable hypocrites in a very public, government-sanctioned way in terms of forcing real change in other parts of the world where it is desperately needed. See, for example, this latest from China:
When state security agents burst into his apartment on Dec. 27, Hu Jia was chatting on Skype, the Internet-based telephone system. Mr. Hu’s computer was his most potent tool. He disseminated information about human rights cases, peasant protests and other politically touchy topics even though he often lived under de facto house arrest.
Mr. Hu, 34, and his wife, Zeng Jinyan, are human rights advocates who spent much of 2006 restricted to their apartment in a complex with the unlikely name of Bo Bo Freedom City. She blogged about life under detention, while he videotaped a documentary titled “Prisoner in Freedom City.” Their surreal existence seemed to reflect an official uncertainty about how, and whether, to shut them up.
Mr. Hu is currently in prison, and his wife and their 2-month-old child are political prisoners under house arrest. That this is occurring all over China in an effort to shut down any and all dissent regarding human rights violations in advance of the Olympics? Well, what in the hell are we going to say about it with our own national reputation so tarnished an entire can of Brasso couldn’t begin to touch it.
In China Road, NPR’s correspondent Rob Gifford poignantly narrarates the hidden depair of China’s AIDS population, people who have acquired the disease from state-sponsored blood-plasma selling program in Henan province. His guide in meeting with these victims? Hu Jia.
When I saw Mr. Hu’s name in the NYTimes story, I instantly recalled this powerful part of Gifford’s book, precisely because Gifford’s furtive narration of the precautions that must be taken in contacting Hu, in switching up taxis and hiding his scandisks from recordings of interviews, and such, because of the oppressive nature of Chinese censorship on any media reports which they deem to make them look bad was riveting. (pp. 90-96) And there, in print in the NYTimes, was Mr. Hu’s name as the most recent political prisoner in a long line of crackdowns this year alone as the Chinese government attempts to cleanse itself of any public political criticism in advance of international scrutiny during the Olympics.
All happy happy, joy joy, I suppose.
The Chinese get away with this systematic public cleansing with no real outcry from the United States because we are in no position to lecture anyone at the moment. The US role in human rights enforcement is so weakened as to be laughable. And our strength in terms of diplomacy and national security positioning? Even worse.
The hope was that a new AG would at least come in and begin to restore some semblence of integrity to the Department of Justice in terms of enforcement of the laws on the books and the intent of those who framed those laws being respected? That he would not merely be a presidential toady, cleaning up after WH messes as personal counsel for all things swept under the rug? After yesterday’s testimony, that’s just drip, drip, dripping away as well.
Actions have consequences. As do inactions. Mukasey’s testimony yesterday was a prime example of where we are at the moment — parsing to the last syllable to cover the asses of the top levels of the Bush Administration in a race to run out the governmental clock. And damn the long-term consequences of using the Nuremberg defense which we so effectively evicerated back in the day when the United States actually stood up FOR something. Appalling doesn’t begin to describe where we are…and how we start up the steep, long road from here? Damned if I know.
(Somehow, Joni Mitchell fit my mood in the above YouTube.)
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Zed!
Murkasey’s “performance” was no surprise but it sure was depressing.
The man is as sleazy as Gonzo. How disgraceful.
Power corrupts don’t it?
Thank you, Senator Schumer.
11 months, 20 days.
Especially when power lies in the hands of the Republic Party.
Schumer is an example of power gone to the head.
We need term limits since none of these guys can act with any humility after the first term.
We got a lot of undoing to do.
Love Joni Mitchell.
Hey, this is too depressing, so let’s talk about this instead:
“On Jan20, 2009 what kind of party are YOU going to have?”
Is Hairy Reid giving away the FISA farm in secret meetings with Mitch McConnell?
The removal of Abu G was, I fear, enough of a victory for some of the DINO and centrist Senators. Their much-vaunted “collegiality” was already at stake with the continued lies and stonewalling of the DoJ, and they were ready to be “bipartisan” and push through Mukasey as a sop to the 1600 Crew.
The only way that there will ever be accountability for this group of criminals and thugs is an impeachment hearing, and Nancy Pelosi is shirking her constitutional duty to hold Bush accountable for “high crimes and misdemeanors” as surely as waterboarding is torture.
With no way to hold people like Mukasey, Cheney and Bush accountable, all we’ll get is contempt and lawlessness. Remember, Bush once said it would be easier if he were a dictator. Many folks thought he was “just kiddin’”, but for anyone who looked, listened and examined his record that was hardly the case.
Only the American people can re-invest in their government the moral authority our nation once had. And only one mechanism exists to attain that re-investment, one which will clarify for the rest of the world the opinion of the American people about the Bush Administration: impeachment.
Set the table, Nancy.
Also, I sure hope Schumer and Feinstein are happy, having an Attorney General who has been confirmed by the Senate. Is their job easier now? I don’t think so. Is our country safer? No. Is Dick Cheney happier? Yes.
So whose interests were you serving, Chuck and Dianne? Not the American people’s, that’s for sure.
Yeah, sorry about that. There was just no way to lighten the mood on this for me, I’m afraid. Was telling Marcy and LHP that I had to literally walk around my block in the middle of watching that hearing yesterday because I was so pissed. And I didn’t think Mr. ReddHedd would appreciate it if I threw something at his flat screen teevee the week before the Super Bowl. *G*
They truly are just running out the clock. They don’t care what kind of reputation they have now or after they leave office. I think their fondest wish is to make it almost impossible for the new president to fix anything – even if he is a repub.
It depends on who’s sworn into office. Right now, if it’s Clinton or a Republic, it’ll be a wake instead of a party.
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten law,
While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
`’Tis some visitor,’ I muttered, `tapping at my chamber door -
Only this, and nothing more.’
Thanks for the YouTube, Christy!
I watched the Whitehouse-Mukasey exchange. As I understand it, the issue on the tape destruction is under investigation and we are not to worry about it. As far as the underlying issue of torture, an investigation has not been initiated because no one has raised the issue with the DOJ. Moreover, there is no process for raising such an issue with the DOJ. It’s really quite simple.
Mukasey, though less arrogant than Gonzo, comes across as a ditzy old uncle. I think we all deserve an apology from Schumer.
“it was the hissing of summer laws”
Thus far, I am hearing he is not. But they are far from concluded…and I’m keeping an eye on it.
OT: Questions That Dear Abby Didn’t Have Answers For:
Dear Abby, A couple of women moved in across the hall from me. One is a
middle-aged gym teacher and the other is a social worker in her mid
twenties. These two women go everywhere together and I’ve never seen a man
go into or leave their apartment. Do you think they could be Lebanese?
Dear Abby, What can I do about all the Sex, Nudity, Fowl Language and
Violence On My VCR?
Dear Abby, I have a man I can’t trust. He cheats so much, I’m not even
sure the baby I’m carrying is his.
Dear Abby, I am a twenty-three year old liberated woman who has been on
the pill for two years. It’s getting expensive and I think my boyfriend
should share half the cost, but I don’t know him well enough to discuss
money with him.
Dear Abby, I’ve suspected that my husband has been fooling around, and
when confronted with the evidence, he denied everything and said it would
never happen again.
Dear Abby, Our son writes that he is taking Judo. Why would a boy who was
raised in a good Christian home turn against his own?
Dear Abby, I joined the Navy to see the world. I’ve seen it. Now how do I
get out?
Dear Abby, My forty year old son has been paying a psychiatrist $50.00 an
hour every week for two and a half years. He must be crazy.
Dear Abby, I was married to Bill for three months and I didn’t know he
drank until one night he came home sober.
Dear Abby, My mother is mean and short tempered I think she is going
through mental pause.
Dear Abby, You told some woman whose husband had lost all interest in sex
to send him to a doctor. Well, my husband lost all interest in sex and he
is a doctor. Now what do I do?
Nice post, Christy. I read Glenn this morning. The only saving grace I could come up with was the notion that in a year when a Democratic president is sworn in, he/she can have Bush and Cheney detained on War crimes without Due process because after all, no one could infringe upon their Article II powers. That thought makes me smile.
It’s such a rich and fantastic version, isn’t it? Joni Mitchell is a genius, and this version of the song really shows how much of one.
Good choice of music Christy… but this AG needs to be on the list of those who must be held accountable through the Impeachment process … I would like to see more threads to bring forward the importance of impeaching this administration before Bush starts pardoning everyone in the administration…
Our country will never be able to heal from by these un-American fools in power… it is a must for future generations of Americans… If we don’t history will and should judge us very poorly.
No, he was quite clever in how he answered those questions. Canny even. Don’t allow the performance to fool you — he’s quite a clever fellow in his parsing.
But but but… We were supposed to just trust Senator Schumer.. who swore on a stack of Liebrmans that Mukasey would be good for America.
Only yesterdays news of Mukasey hearings depresses me more than discovering Bill Clinton is wheeling and dealing in Kazakhstan uranium in order to enrich his library/school fund.
At this rate it wont be long until we are looking towards China for superior moral governance advice or for cheaply manufactured uranium shelters.
Can Blue America sponsor an “Anyone But Nancy” drive in her district? Think that might get her attention?
I wonder what induced Mukasey to give up a lifetime judgeship for a one year tour in utter disgrace. Hopefully, he will never be a judge again.
I agree if it’s a Republican (gawd forbid) but I suspect that Clinton might turn out to be more progressive than most folks on the left give her credit for, particularly if the Netroots keeps the pressure up.
Amen, brother!
I had an interesting and stupid conversation with Senator
TortureSchumer’s office today.I explained that I, like many Americans, had begged Schumer not to support Mukasey, and that his response was the ”A Vote for Justice” op-ed in the NY Times (pardon the blogwhoring, but for some reason the FDL registration process refuses to let me link to my site through my name, no matter how many times I try).
I quoted a number of Schumer’s assertions, such as ”If we block Judge Mukasey’s nomination and then learn in six months that waterboarding has continued unabated, that victory will seem much less valuable” and ”No one questions that Judge Mukasey would do much to remove the stench of politics from the Justice Department” and ”Judge Mukasey would be more likely than a caretaker attorney general to find on his own that waterboarding and other techniques are illegal.”
”So I’m wondering,” I asked, ”since the Senator wrote such an impassioned defense of Mukasey in the NY Times, whether he’s going to write a new op-ed with the title ”Oops: My Bad, America” or ”Looks Like I Made a Mistake” now that Mukasey’s pulling the same stonewalling that the Senator said wasn’t going to happen.”
They promised to pass along my message.
It is truly shocking how bad things have gotten when the Attorney General of the United feckin’ States won’t even call a crime a crime.
The Muckster sounded like a weasely soon-to-be disbarred shyster defending his client by claiming that though all of the evidence showed his client was guilty, since his client won’t admit it, it must not be true.
I woke up and read Glenn this morning and wanted to crawl under the covers for the foreseeable future. I am so depressed about and ashamed of what this country has become. And the dems that we worked so hard to get elected have enabled all of this mess to continue.
I wish he was under oath… so he couldn’t parse his words so slyly
The only way to prevent being caught in a lie is to keep on lying, and that is what the Bush administration is doing. They are stalling or just plain ignoring any attempt by congress on accountability. They are letting the clock run out setting all this stuff (torture, Iraq, Guantanimo) up for the next adminstration to deal with. If it is a Democratic administration, their plan is to be able to nail them as soft on security by trying to deal with all these injustices in a fair way. I hope Joe Biden is the one that will be in the position to fix this.
And from the wonderful John Prine, his version of questions asked but not answered:
“Dear Abby, Dear Abby …
My feet are too long
My hair’s falling out and my rights are all wrong
My friends they all tell me that I’ve no friends at all
Won’t you write me a letter, Won’t you give me a call
Signed Bewildered
Bewildered, Bewildered…
Chorus:
You have no complaint
You are what your are and you ain’t what you ain’t
So listen up Buster, and listen up good
Stop wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood
Dear Abby, Dear Abby…
My fountain pen leaks
My wife hollers at me and my kids are all freaks
Every side I get up on is the wrong side of bed
If it weren’t so expensive I’d wish I were dead
Signed Unhappy
Unhappy, Unhappy…
Repeat Chorus
Dear Abby, Dear Abby…
You won’t believe this
But my stomach makes noises whenever I kiss
My girlfriend tells me It’s all in my head
But my stomach tells me to write you instead
Signed Noise-maker
Noise-maker, Noise-maker
Repeat Chorus
Dear Abby, Dear Abby…
Well I never thought
That me and my girlfriend would ever get caught
We were sitting in the back seat just shooting the breeze
With her hair up in curlers and her pants to her knees
Signed Just Married
Just Married, Just Married…
Repeat Chorus”
Yep, sometimes things just seem so hopeless, that a good song is the only way to keep your sanity.
And an apology from DiFi.
I think we can add another commandment: Never trust a Bush appointee. Never again.
He was already semi-retired. And I have heard that he sees it as an opportunity to correct some of the more egregious errors. He’s done some good: the civil rights division has been somewhat restored and strengthened; morale there has begun to rise as the political WH hacks have been told to butt the hell out of meetings; etc.
I fear that this issue was the price for being allowed to make those changes, though…
And didn’t Schumer tell us that Mukasey gave him some sort of personal assurance of his independence? Schumer owes us all a very public apology. Jeebus. Fool me once, shame on me. But fool me 935 times???
Christy, your last paragraph is eloquent and reflects the judgement I’ve held for quite some time. If there is no accountability for these treasonous criminals, then there is no U.S.A. worth giving a damn about, PERIOD. The Democrats seem not to realize this.
Well then, there you go. But it’s hard to look at your home and family, and then back at that paragraph, and not just push it all down further. This is what it must have been like to live a normal life in Germany in the late ’30s. Just what the hell is a parent and a lover supposed to do?
Attorney General Edwards announced today…
This is the headline I’m looking forward to in about 12 months.
I don’t think so — in Germany, we’d have all been rounded up and gassed by now. And I sure as hell wouldn’t have been allowed contact with rights groups and members of Congress and such for discussions like I have.
Our efforts should focus on electing better people this year. That’s the first step…and then we keep on taking those steps, over and over again, because that is how things change for the better.
He was under oath.
Thanks. Some hope remains on that front. I’m glad you are able to pay attention and that you are doing so. Reid is a concern.
1,734 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
They ALL must go ta jail and we must dedicate ourselves ta forcin’ the Democratic Party to commit to endin’ the war and sendin’ the whole lot a these bastards ta Leavenworth…ending THE WAR is the only issue in this election year, the solutions to all the rest of the problems rise outta that one. And THIS time we don’t let the bastards go ta come back in another administration. Those of us over the age of 30 can’t save ourselves from judgement for what our country has done to the rest of the world but we do have one last opportunity to save a future for our children and the world’s children…we make it our sole purpose to redeem our history and keep faith with the ghosts of 200 years of soldiers, knowin’ that we have forfeited any future in a new peaceful world.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THE WAR HAS COME HOME AND THE ENEMY IS US!!!
Yeah, I heard the thank you’s and saw the meaninful nods of understanding. It was like; “.Thank you for doing what you could. I’m disappointing that you can’t tell the truth on the real issues, but understand that you have told us your limit.”
Christy,
To add to your Chinese story there is one from Afghanistan
And we bear some responsibility for this too.
I saw that earlier. What a mess. What a horrid, horrid mess…
typical judge like comments
With any luck, if I’m still around, next year for my Birthday there will be the announcement of an army of special prosecutors to do nothing but uncover the crimes of BushCo.
Thats my Birthday wish.
Gonzo quit when a suitable nominee was found. It took a long time but they found their man in Mukasey. He was a decent judge so he could pass the smell test about being a partisan hack judge. When I heard he was on some sort of Rudy kitchen cabinet then I knew that his judge days were behind him and he was ready to be a party man and serve power.
Where can one go after being a judge. Judges are restrained in what they can do after all, especially if you play it straight. A guy like Mukasey has nowhere to go but down after retirement, unless……… Unless he is willing and able to serve those intent on taking power. He won’t be there very long but mark my words, money will change hands. Mukasey is now a made man. His investments will win, big time. He’ll be on some boards and travel in the best circles. His grandchildren will go to the best schools and will not want for friends or favors. The Mukasey clans future is assured.
I wonder if the war in Iraq had gone swimmingly for George W. and Rummy that all this stuff would have been swept under the rug by congress and no hearings would ever have been held on any illegal activity by the Bush/Cheney Co. If the war was in the mop-up phase two years ago nobody would ever have known about any of this.
Blue America, and Act Blue, are for Democrats only as far as I know.
But Cindy Sheehan is challenging Nancy Pelosi in the general election as an independent.
The quandary is which is worse, the reprehensible abomination of the administration, or the mendacious mediocrity of the Congress.
The way the war has gone and the illegal activities by the administration are inextricably linked. So your hypothetical fails on logical grounds. But it was an interesting thought.
Will the plethora of pardons affect the search for crimes? With so much signing to do, Little Boots has probably already started.
1,734 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Bustednuckles:
Happy BD, Brother ‘nuckles, I will sleep well tanight knowin’ yer still humpin’ these “boonies” with us. Let’s get it done this time, brother, let’s teach our kids what “never again” means…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, I GOTCHER BACK AND I AIN’T AFRAID TA USE IT!!
Perhaps the crimes are so large that they are difficult to ignore even for the DoNothingocrats.
I thought it was enlightening when Whitehouse read a law concerning the use of torture. It said that anyone proven guilty of employing torture was subject to penalty to and including life in prison. If the torture resulted in death, they were subject to the death penalty. It said that anyone found guilty of conspiring to commit torture was subject to the same penalties except for death.
It gave me a little understanding why Mukasey was so reluctant to call waterboarding torture or to say anything meaningful on the commission of torture in the past.
Mukasey WAS sworn in, he testified under oath.
Thank you Norske.
Time to shine the ammo, I hate it when it jams cause it’s dirty.
That’s what autopen is for.
During a conversation about FISA on MPR this morning, I heard the host say that people are speaking up to their congresspeople, they just are not listening…don’t want to hear it? Don’t want to rock the boat before the election? Don’t want to ruffle their crony-lobbyist feathers?
And it’s all of a piece. You can’t separate FISA from FEMA or anything else because they’re all operating under the same ideologue-driven and spineless-enabling and Tweetymedia-stenoing blueprint. I blogged today about the Haitian women reduced to eating dirt, literally, to survive because of Big Oil’s price hikes.
The GW Bush Era will be America’s legacy of shame. There is nothing, nothing, redeeming about it. We’ve a lot of housecleaning to do.
Do you have a link for that MPR segment? TIA
The only thing redeeming would be the end of the Republic Party. Unfortunately, the Democrats seem determined to keep that end from happening.
Heard from my congressman about impeachment—I asked him—he’s waiting to see what Waxman can dig up before signing on.
Henry. Are you listening? You’ve got a job to do.
Ah yes, but the Rs are doing just about as much as they can to self-destruct.
In the Epilogue to Follow the Money, Anderson goes thru the list of the prominent Rs who have already fallen. The list is long. It hasn’t gotten as close to the top as we want, but there’s been some progress.
Take good care of yourself, Christy. The Peanut needs you. Mr. Redd needs you. Your relatives need you. Your friends need you. And FDL needs you. In that order I think. *g*
I think America’s ready for another “bygones” Presidency.
Why dwell in the past when so much needs fixing?
Don’t let partisanship do harm when there’s so much good to be done in America.
Let’s not play the blame game.
/s
making some fried chicken for dinner before a meeting. If ever there was a night calling for comfort food this is it.
You get Minnesota Public Radio in ND?
Hence the walk…and the brewing of a nice pot of darjeeling afterward. Sometimes, you just need a break…
LOL Deb — I just ordered pizza for all of us. *g*
I think we should be contacting all of the Democratic senators who voted to confirm Mukasey and pound on them with yesterday’s testimony. I think Specter probably even realized what a mistake that was. We should be telling them that this Administration does not deal in good faith and that they cannot be expected to do so with regards to FISA.
I’m hoping that my own Senator McCaskill is now outraged enough after the president issued a signing statement earlier this week, nullifying her attempt to establish a commission to investigate waste, fraud and abuse in the War on Iraq. Outraged enough to come out with a clear “NO!” on telecom immunity and basket warrants and anything else this Administration wants.
They need to realize that they have to come together – Democrats and Republicans alike – to reassert their Constitutional role or they will become as irrevelant as the Administration thinks they are.
Funny you should mention that. On Hardball, Chris Matthews was just trying to convince Joe Trippi and Dede Myers that Edwards would make just an excellent Labor Secretary. Actually, that could also be very good for this country. Ask Tula what she thinks about that next time we see her.
Agenda for the first 100 minutes of the next administraiion:
1. Declare the Federalist Society, being dedicated to the
undermining of constitutional rule in this country, a terrorist organization.
2. All members or former members to be sent to a re-education camp in the Lower Ninth Ward.
3. Rinse and repeat.
I would like pepperoni and black olives, or did you know that when you ordered pizza for all of us, Christy?
Here’s yet another symptom:
Republics must be held responsible for what they have done. They must be marginalized because they will only hinder help fixing the mess.
So interesting to watch those hearings knowing the FISA cave was being orchestrated in the back rooms.
Roman Senate indeed.
pepperoni and caramelized onions for me please.
That is an intriguing idea, one I was thinking about as well. Given how horrid Elaine Chow has been, Labor coud use someone who actually cared about them…
So far, no cave…FYI
Feelin any better this afternoon Rev?
I don’t have a link — heard it while in the car scrambling around on errands earlier. It was the mid-morning program. MN pups, anybody able to find a link? I’m on the fly again….
Exactly. This testimony is great ammunition in that fight. Proof that caving on FISA is exactly the wrong move.
Caving on FISA and retroactive immunity is unilateral disarmament. They need more threads to pull on…to get traction on the torture question, to get subpoenas obeyed, etc.
Bolt action rifles don’t jam very easily and depending on the caliber have more penetrating power…. .303 British for example, a fine weapon in the right hands… it can reach out and touch you much better than the M-16 variety at distance!
not lots. Has anything changed for the better?
Yeah, and we have electricity and indoor plumbing and everything….
the nearest MPR affiliate is across the river in Moorhead…
let me rephrase that, has any dem done anything today for which we can be proud.
No but it’s not any worse either.
What? The
beardwife of the senior Senator from Big Bidness hasn’t been responsive to Labor needs? Now whoever would think such a thing were possible? /sInteresting. But what do you think the probabilities are that that situation continues. I’d be very excited if it did. But its seemed like the fix was going to be very difficult to get back out.
Well, there’s a silver lining. At least the confirmation of this unitary executive fanatic to the AG post means that he’s no longer on the bench.
A lifetime appointment there traded for 11 Months here. I’ll take that trade.
M-14’s forever.
The revolution will not be televised. It’s going to be slow and orderly.
I like that.
Edwards Center… south has a noble tradition, Carter Center, Southern Poverty Law Center, unfortunately there’s room…and need…for one more, but national this time.
“The Chinese get away with this systematic public cleansing with no real outcry from the United States because we are in no position to lecture anyone at the moment.”
We sold ourselves to the Chinese, and now they own our country (at least the debt). So they get to set the rules. N’est pas? We have borrowed against our future, and as long as we are indentured (and out idiot leaders know this) we arn’t allowed to complain.
Question: What do you call someone who lobbies Congress for retroactive immunity?
Answer: A self-confessed criminal.
Actually, I agree. That position needs a fighter to once again give the unions some teeth. (What I wonder is, will the unions sort out their own corruption problems. When I was a steelworker, you often heard of guys that were union stewarts coming in about once a week to do their day jobs while having others punch their time cards in and out. Also, many complained that their union stewarts were lazy and would not fight for them in a dispute, which is their whole purpose. But that’s another story!) What I’m thinking is even the imagery, the fact that one of Reagan’s main accomplishments was breaking the unions, which was represented by the air traffic controllers fiasco, this represents a new day almost more than anything. It is almost like figuratively giving the government back to the people.
The Unitary Executive stuff goes back into storage if the next President is not a Republic. It will be fun hearing Republics denounce executive office excesses for a few years.
hm, so long as your looking on the bright side of things, I’ll look too!
Well it’s been cold and very windy here today with blowing snow and sleet. Now I’m home. My lady is fixing supper (I’m on KP tonight), and as Senator Clinton remarked the other night; I’m “just getting warmed up”.
Now that was a fine weapon… I shot expert with that one… but the dems here in California listed it as an assault rifle so…. I can’t buy one… boy does that burn my ass.. hence the .303…. I do know quite well how to use one… used one for dear hunting in Maine with great success..
OKK, what do you think Oklahoma will do on Feb. 5 now that Edwards is out of the race? Also, what will your household do?
Schumer and Feinstein, you assholes!
Just practicing my link embedding, plus offering a good giggle. I know somebody posted a video clip from last night’s Letterman somewhere else (TPM?), but here’s a Letterman clip about the state of the union from Crooks & Liars.
My H&K in 7.62 does just fine.
yay, I love html tags. It’s been so long . . . .
Good one!
I really don’t know the answer for unions when production can be shipped to any place in the world with the cheapest labor. With the loss of most of the heavy manufacturing jobs which formed to core of organized labor, it seems to only leave those jobs and services which must be accomplished in this country. Many of the least skilled of those are difficult to organize because there is a large supply of that labor, even in this country. Otherwise, it seems to leave teachers, government workers (who can’t strike), professional athletes, and the entertainment industry.
When I track it to the bottom line, I can’t see how labor regains strength unless we can limit the supply of labor. The only way I can see to do that is by use of import and export taxes.
Mukasey’s performance yesterday has depressed me to the point of tears.
And he’s from NY. He’s one of mine. ARRRGGGGHhhhhh!
Mucky sucky is 1984. Hell even that is stupid all he has is doubleplus-poor double-speak and lies. At least Bush speech writters are good at double-speak and tend to just go with lying.
I guess pathetic double-speak is more the way congress and AG types that have to testify historically.
The more I see the old Bush rats and the new Bush rats the more I want the criminal trials to start.
They are not going to be any investigations that finish or any trials are there? There will be no December surprise other than pardons eh? And no follow-up in 2009 due to wanting to ”turn the page”?
it’s frightening because we know the following can never happen;
the only way we can reclaim our moral integrity is to not only bring those criminals in the administration to the bar of justice, but we would have to allow them brought before the international bar of justice and we would have to stand by and watch as they were prosecuted for crimes against humanity
and we would indeed have to applaud if they were convicted
that cannot happen and instead we will have to build from negative and it will take generations, nay, centuries
if it can be done at all
god forgive us for what this administration has done
Senator Clinton was here yesterday courting Oklahomans (seriously). As to what we (Lahoma and me) will do, we are having a discussion right now about that. Lahoma points out that if I approve of the DLC, then Clinton (with her very close connections to the DLC) should probably get my vote in the primary. However, Lahoma continues…
No LHP he was one of yours… he went over to the Dark side with Cheney
Oh, please! Don’t stop now! You’re on a roll!
Only, please, can we have a happy ending???
Oh, right. What was I thinking!
Maybe you can translate this thought into another stanza:
He goes to the door to see who’s there, but before opening, he sees a sheet of paper that has just been slipped under the door… and nothing more.
That still leaves us on tenterhooks (sp?), but also leaves us with the hope that this insignificant-looking piece of paper discloses a smoking gun.
Of course, the following stanzas could be expanded by disclosing fragments of legalese read from the piece of paper, tantalizingly parsed by Christy or EW or LHP. The “nothing more” refrain echoing seemingly innocuous language that when, properly interpreted, becomes a hangman’s noose…
Now please get busy and write that up in the same tantalizing Poe-ish style!
Bob in HI
And, of course, all of this was predictable. We all knew when Schumer introduced Mukasey what would happen, didn’t we?
Ah. More shooters. There was a while that I was simultaneously a member of the ACLU and the NRA (before the NRA endorsed Reagan). My friends from both sides of the spectrum thought I was crazy, but saw it as absolutely consistent: a broad interpretation of the first amendment and a broad interpretation of the second. Since then, I’ve gotten much less glib about the proliferation of weaponry.
What will be interesting to me is to see whether a Democratic President will use or even attempt to use some of the powers newly acquired through the precedents set by their predecessors.
There seems to be very intense American bombing in Iraq..
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..1Ak02.html
Bob Cesca tells us today:
There’s no excuse for forgiving the Rovian games or the DLC calculation. Just because they’re The Clintons doesn’t make it forgivable. Up until the last two months, I’ve been an unwavering supporter of President Clinton. He’s arguably the second or third greatest president of the 20th Century next to FDR and JFK and he’s presently the Most Popular Living Ex-President In The World, but these past couple of months have been seriously painful.
Gee, I hope not! OTOH, it could be a great weapon for deer hunting for all I know.
If I follow Lahoma’s thinking correctly, I think I am leaning in the same direction. (I was an Edwards supporter).
So long they are used responsible I still agree with personal ownership… just not fully automatic weapons!
P.S. I should have put a *g* in my last comment.
As a progressive, it will be my sworn duty to advertise for the George W Bush Presidential Library and Museum of Torture. Every Republican who contributes to the GWB Presidential Library fund will recieve pictures of Abu Ghraib prisoners and waterboarding techniques placards. Torture and War crimes will be the Bush/Cheney legacy. It is our duty as progressives to insure this is the legacy of George. He has earned it.
Thanks for the replay of “Dear Abby”; it made me smile, and I needed that!
Bob in HI
Not one of “yours.” IIRC his son was in league with 9ui11ani. Now at least that part won’t work out for him. A poor source of revenge, but we’ll take whatever we can get.
Those two men have harnessed the former president’s clout to expand their businesses while making the Clintons rich through partnership and consulting arrangements.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22926743/page/2/
that should have deer hunting not dear…me bad…. Dam that spell checker it should ahve told “not that dear but this deer”
Ownership of class III weapons is perfectly legal. Fill out the paper work, get approval and pay for the tax stamp.
Sometimes, perhaps many times, the good guys finish last. Bye Mr. Edwards. We like you and your lady very much. You had our vote.
kiddo, just remember that the Clintons had Rahmbo as part of their WH. How much more of that do we want to see?
I know but…. then they can be stolen…not good I don’t want the criminals to have any weapons… they seem to get them on the street well enough… dam
What the hell is wrong with these people. Per TPM Muckraker:
So, Mukasey’s position is that if the information obtained (or maybe just “sought”) is sufficiently valuable, waterboarding isn’t torture and therefore not a crime. Just like on TV, the end justifies the means.
At other points, he insisted that the question of whether waterboarding is a crime is “unresolved,” because he doesn’t have a concrete case to consider. And he make it clear that he’ll never consider one, because the whole matter of whether or not waterboarding is a crime is unresolved after.
Ah the banality of evil!
Christy,
First, a huge thanks! for this blog you wrote. Then @42 you wrote:
Maybe in the Germany of 1942?
But what about the Germany of 1939? or 1938?
Isn’t that the point Naomi Wolf was making? Maybe you won’t be gassed this year– but if The Mitt gets elected somehow, maybe you would get gassed for saying or writing the same things two years from now. We’ve got to stop this NOW, while we still can!
Bob in HI
When I add up the Iraq vote to got war, the DLC and a seemingly hawkish stance in foreign policy, then I have serious reservations about Hillary Clinton.
I like the thought Bob :) yet, alas, great with words I am not!
It came to mind from the Drip drip drip and reflected my mood about the chip chip chip.
Maybe we can work some Whitehouse into it.
I want to be the first on my block to have my own nuclear deterent.
Perhaps it boils down to who you think will do the most to change the awful course this nation has been on over the last seven years. Senator Clinton or Senator Obama?
LHP,
Believe me, NY has a lot of creeps and racists… in NYC and in Wrong Island. We also have plenty of great people who call NYC home. Don’t take it personally, but DO remind Mr. Schumer of what he has wrought.
Bad ideas don’t stand the test of time, they just make a lot of people miserable.
In this house we can’t hardly wait until the day after Feb. 5th.
You missed my point entirely. Despair leads to inaction, which gets us nowhere. I’d rather do thw work that needs doing…not sit here and stew.
“Funny Story” about 25 years ago a friend bought an M-60..On the Fed form under reason for ownership…Home defense..
If your looking to send a message for change, (or perhaps other things not so connected with change) send your message on Feb. 5. Your vote really does matter friends. This is getting exciting!
I was totally opposed to the invasion of Iraq, largely because I had always agreed with Bush 41 argument that to occupy the place was the dumbest thing we could do. When Bush 43 asked for the authority, I couldn’t understand any support unless congress knew something I didn’t about WMD. It still didn’t make since that, if they all had known this, there had been no previous pressue to invade Iraq. However, there was a point with Sadam caved and let the inspectors return that I thought begrudgingly that the war authorization had worked and allowed the moron to pull a major bluff.
Only when I watched disbelievingly that he was going to war, no matter what, did I realize the depth of his stupidity and willingness to lie. I believe a large number of Democratic Senators are sincere in explaining their vote that way. Didn’t John Kerry say, “How could I know he was going to fuck it up?”
If the Democrats return to the White House, we may finally get the government we deserve. Please vote Democratic next November.
Up Chuck sucks. Both sides are bagging it. Why give up cash, power, and parties. They are never going to let one of there own be arrested.
They are fine with denying medical care so someone dies or can’t speak for 50 years in America, fine to drop bombs om anyone, fine with destoying the middle class as needed, fine with anything. Rome’s on fire, and everybody fiddles.
I have a particular affinity for those who say they made a mistake. ;0)
Murkasey seemed to like the idea of the Nuremberg defense..”Befehl ist Befehl”.
Tucker Carlson claims that Hillary Clinton “won” in Michigan and Florida, although he knows that no delegates were awarded in either state and that all Democratic candidates had pledged not to campaign there, thus the concept of “winning is not applicable.
Is Tucker trying to give the Clinton campaign a boost by exaggerating her success so far?
Really — all of them? Including Feingold? Including Hilda Solis? Including…I could go on, but I don’t really think I need to, do I?
Don’t attribute idiocy of some to everyone. It isn’t fair to the ones who ARE doing the hard work. Including Sen. Kennedy and Reps. Miller, Lewis and Conyers who are doing some seriously heavy lifting at the moment trying to counteract the Roberts court on civil rights and pay equity decisions.
Diplomacy must be paramount. Unprovoked war cannot be a viable solution.
He’s just being his usual moronic stir the pot self.
A little OT but not much: From Robert Wexler https://www.wexlerforcongress.com/news.asp?ItemID=228
Christy,
Thanks for setting the record straight.
How can we get the Congress to defend itself against this Republican assault? Both of my senators, and my representative, are all “Democrats,” at least in name. Two of them are even supposed to be “progressive.”
Bob in HI
In this house, (permit me to say again) we will vote for Senator Clinton or Senator Obama next November for president. Which ever is the Demo nominee.
I understand, but in some ways it’s easier, and cheaper, to say “oops.” Than to try to explain a more nuanced situation which you believe to be the truth.
I haven’t made up my mind yet in the primary. Like you, I’ll vote Democratic in the general election, regardless. However, it seems to me that to accuse someone of triangulating, taking the popular stand, and demogaging every issue and argue, on the other hand, that they refuse to admit a mistake is contradictory. That argues that Romney is the most principled of candidates by reversing every position he’s taken for the last thirty years.
I think you are correct, because now he seems to be bashing her, insisting that if she is elected there will be a Co-Presidency.
Lord gawd, I want to see the Democratic leadership replaced. And I want to stomp the DLC deep into the ground.
Good heavens, Bob, you want me to tackle world peace next? *g* I wish I had the answer on that one, I fight that battle every day. I’d say constant pressure, contact, meetings…everything we’ve been doing, because it has made a dent in some quarters. Just not all or enough to make me happy anyway. Beyond that, I wish I had better answers.
But of course. anything else would be aiding and abetting this administration!
The modern variant of the Nuremberg defense is the good-faith defense: “I waterboarded the terrorist on good faith assurances from the legal department that doing so wasn’t a crime because of the importance of the information involved and the fact that the damage physical harm wasn’t permanent.”
Perhaps we shall just have to disagree here. I’m quite certain we can both live with that. ;0)
Of course. And be assured that in November, I will do the same as you.
There’s also the health care industry (Hospitals also save money when they pay labor as cheaply as possible for some very dirty jobs) and the jobs that provide services in the tourism industry, including waiters, waitresses and bartenders.
It may be time to amp up an official boycott of All THINGS FOX:
Per Drudge:
FLASH: Karl Rove will join FOXNEWS as contributor; likely used throughout Super Tuesday coverage…
-G
Can’t ask for more than that my friend.
They think that they have immunized themselves from prosecution under the 1996 War Crimes Law…Hopefully that will be tested in court after 01/20/09.
Of course. I certainly hope they can organize and get the most decent standard of living possible for their work. I’m just saying that it will be hard to do when there is a large supply of labor available to replace them. I wish I could see a way for the return of labor as a real power and component of the Democratic Party. But the world trade thing has really undermined that liklihood.
I have a tendency to read in pictures, and the image was of you running after a high school sweetheart with a gun. I had to laugh, but I actually knew what you meant. It was just the vision was so ridiculous.
The nit-wit in charge is at it again.
AP – President Bush said Thursday he will not jeopardize security gains in Iraq by withdrawing U.S. forces too fast, another signal that troop reductions could slow or stop altogether this summer.
Yeah, as though we were watching it anyway. *g*
“Fox News, even more propaganda and dirty tricks than before!”
Why isn’t KKKarl Rove in prison for treason?
Mukasey has no shame. He has no conscience. He loves torture and is thrilled to be on the Bush/Cheney torture team. He lied. Deceived. Is contemptuous of the rule of law. To Mukasey, the law is a weapon to be used to threaten others. He is the criminal that joined the government so he could operate within the law, thus suffer no consequences for the same things that would be illegal if he were not part of the law.
I remember corrupt sheriffs like him in the South. Corrupt judges like him in small Southern towns who loved to torment some poor soul with his position of power. The Mukaseys are everywhere. Shame on those who put them in power because they know.
Democrats are as much a part of this as the Republicans. They willingly and willfully went along. They pretend outrage and do nothing. It isn’t because they are weak. It is because they are rotten, corrupt and jaded to the core.
Rick Noriega is upstairs with a new post about Barnstorming Across Texas.
My email to Feinstein:
Mukasey is contemptuous of the rule of law and cannot bring himself to say torture is against our laws.
You should be ashamed of yourself for voting for this horrid excuse for a lawyer and judge. If I knew he was just another Bush law breaker then so did you.
You have helped to ruin this country.
My way to get even is to not let those who betray my trust is ban them from being part of my life… karma will bite them in the ass soon enough!
We either have to learn to deal with the global marketplace better (you know what they say: the high tide lifts all boats) or we will bog ourselves down with protectionist policies. I think that genie is already out of bottle. Our companies are already multinational. But we could try some things like giving tax breaks to companies that employ Americans, or using other types of incentives for companies that are doing a good job with employment here, including some that come here, like Toyota, for example.
Criticize the lender who holds much of your foreign debt? Whose willingness to accept and hold US dollars determines the value of your currency.
Whose strength as a supplier of everything from essential computer services and hardware, to personnel, medical and surveillance data bases, to automotive design and manufacturing technology, to bulbs and Christmas tree lights, determines American customer/supplier relations and the direction of its economy.
Whose competition for limited global oil supplies moves prices as much as the chaos George Bush has unleashed and fanned in the Middle East?
Whose economic and military might is fast making it the dominant pole in East Asia, the developing world, and, given “globalization”, much of the world beyond.
Only John Bolton would be that stupid.
Hush, little children, don’t you cry, momma’s gonna…wonder why George Bush slept and Dick Cheney crept alone in the corridors, making us more ignorant and, therefore, more vulnerable than we’ve been since the British burned the White House.
Yep, that’s coming up in a future post. Can only do so much in one day. *g*
Mukasey kept saying, I don’t have the authority, I don’t have the authority…yes he does. I found him to be, to quote him, “repugnant” and smug. It was the smugness that really got me.
Another sorry excuse for an AG. I still wonder why the hell he chose to end his career in the role as a shield for corruption. Pathetic.
Um … because he’s already got a 7-figure, private sector job lined up ?!!
never happen if the Clintons are re-elected
You’re NOT perfect? Coulda fooled me. Look forward to your post.
I forgot to mention that since China’s not spending more than the rest of the world combined on arms, and not sticking a figurative stick in the world’s eye, it has plenty of other things to do with its resources.
Like manage its growth and foreign relations, and maintain a firm, but not quite iron-grip on its dissidents. All while providing levels of economic opportunity, at least in its major cities, that approaches the early successes of politically intolerant Singapore (the business version of Disneyland).
America collectively knows bupkus about China and how important it’s become to Main Street and Wall Street. (Who do we think is buying our biggest financial services firms?) Its not the monolithic communist threat of Cold War mythology. It doesn’t need to bomb us into the stone age, or send its hordes across the Bering Sea. All it need do is let America stew in its ignorance and incompetence while it forges ahead. We are competitors, not enemies, but imagine how sore the losers of the Super Bowl are gonna be on Monday morning.
Mukasey is anything but ditsy. He’s extremely calculating and he’s the worst possible individual to be AG. This country is in pathetic shape when the prevailing theme of SJC for picking an AG is “he’ll be better than Gonzo.” Mukasey will continue to do everything possible to protect Bush and Cheney from revealing their longstanding violations of law. His appearance yesterday was par for the course. It was dismaying to Schumer who was an early supporter of his nomination, and made Whitehouse, who has served as US Attorney in Rhode Island livid. Mukasey didn’t smile often, but he was clearly mocking SJC–and they now realize they’ll get no cooperation and won’t conduct any meaningful DOJ/FBI oversight while Mukasey is at DOJ.
While at Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler, before and after he violated the rights of defendants and attorneys who appeared before him when on the bench, he handled plenty of complex litigation for their largest clients and handled it very well before Raegan put him on the bench in the S.D.N.Y. in 1987.
As Feingold said, the AG’s client is supposed to be the people of the US, the Constitution, and the U.S. Code. It’s the antithesis with Mukasey. Mukasey is functioining precisely the way Stevie van Zandt’s character Silvio Dante protected the Soprano family in covering up for Cheney and Addington. He’s Addington’s Addington.
Mukasey gave every indication he would behave exactly sa he has, and many of us urged Feinstein and Schumer not to vote for him, and they did. Feinstein was so obsequious and such a Mukasey groupie, she resembled a 12 year old in the front row at a Hannah Montanna-Milley Cyrus concert. Schumer was warned explicitly that Mukasey would become a metaphor for obstruction in guarding crmininal behavior at DOJ and by this administration and he has answered Bush and Cheney’s dog whistle.
While on the bench in S.D.N.Y. Mukasey gave every indication he would become the consigliere for a Unitary Executive who obeyed no laws. That’s correct; the Attorney General is doing an outstanding job of obstructing justice.
Mukasey was a serial abuser of the material witness code sections, partnering with AUSA’s in NY to detain individuals with no criminal charges whatsover. Mukasey cheaply used 911 in his memorandum opinions as his excuse for detaining scores of material witnesses beginning in 2002, and ruled that in the light of 911 sweeping use of material witness warrants was justified.
Mukasey who has no medical training and zero medical knowledge also purported to examine a defendant, a San Diego college student, Osama Awadallah, from his perch on the bench who was severely beaten by BOP guards in the federal detention center in Manhatten.
Mukasey took no medical history, and did not chart his examination, but apparently aided by X-Ray vision, and the MRI in his head, he concluded “As far as the claim that he was beaten, I will tell you that he looks fine to me,” “You want to have him examined, you can make an application.” Mukasey was merely exhibiting the “deliberate indifference” that is pandemic throughout DOJ and on the federal bench towards medical care. This is always accompanied with a proportional lack of medical training and skills by these judges and AUSAs. A
There is no legal precedent for “making an application” to have a prisoner examined. There is ample on point case law in the Supreme Court, beginning with Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97 (1976), and it’s progeny.
It is fact however, if you’ve ever reviewed charts by BOP physicians and PA’s that the standard of medical care by DOJ physicians is egregious and reprehensible.
The increase of China’s influence on the African continent has been huge the last few years. And not just for opening market share…
My first thought is that they are buying access to oil, markets for their goods, services and skilled labor, and raw materials (hardwoods, uranium, metal ores) for their industries. They may also be recruiting top students to come to Chinese universities – some of which now rank with Oxbridge and Harvard/Yale. The US is distinctly less attractive to these students than before 9/11, not least because of the DHS’s abusive handling of colored, indeed, virtually any “furriners”. A durable flow of these students has been critical in American graduate programs since the Second World War. That flow is now moving to China (and some Indian and many European universities).
China still defines itself as the center of the world. So I would imagine they are also trying to undermine us – not hard to do, these days – and acquire networks of allies. Among other things, these are useful in fora like the UN, committees of global warming scientists, privacy advocates, etc. If necessary, that means against us and the Russians and for them on everything from global warming to internet standards and uniform privacy laws. All that is relationship politics familiar to Lyndon Johnson, or the Israeli or Swiss ambassadors in Washington. Sadly, that language is Greek to agoraphobes like George and Dick.
Found the link:
http://minnesota.publicradio.o…..dmorning2/
“Fighting for FISA Reform”
Guests
Adam Liptak: national legal correspondent for the New York Times.
David Rivkin: partner of Baker Hostetler law firm and served in the Justice Department under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.
Caroline Fredrickson: director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington D.C. Office.
I spent a bit of time studying that hypothesis, and I don’t think they’ve really managed to immunize themselves. But it’s complex stuff and IANAL.
I think that is right — all of the above, actually. But especially access to raw materials, I think. Am reading a couple of Foreign Affairs articles on that at the moment, actually.
“Globalization” also means that China now competes with us across the board, including formerly Western-only commodities like venture capital, legal and banking services, and repository services for the money and data banks of licit and illicit African regimes.
And, oh, China ranks second or third as a major producer of arms of all kinds. Not just the ubiquitous AK-47 and its ammo, Russian designs now mostly made in China, but also much more high-tech goodies. They can offer the one-stop shopping formerly provided only by Americans, the Brits and French, and Russians.
I’d like to know which ones you’ve found. If you like, you can reply to my e-mail of record. Thanks.
Their most recent issue (the Jan/Feb one) has a China focus, actually. Am wading my way through it in my copious spare time (ha!).
Thanks for the link.
FWIW, there is also an intriguing article from Klaus Schwab regarding social businesses — one of the aspects that we discussed with Muhammad Yunus when he was here for book salon.
Great song, Christy, What album is it?
You know, I’m not certain if it comes on an album on its own. It was used on the soundtrack of Love, Actually, I do know that. And you can buy the single on Amazon here. But I’m having trouble pulling up an album, although there may have been a limited release on an album of the same name.
You know who would know the answer is Howie Klein. He used to run the label that Joni was on — Reprise Records. And his knowledge of her catalogue is encyclopedic. Truly.