Mitt says neither of them have run a company so how could they run a country. Hillary says running the country is not a business, it’s a trust. Obama says if Mitt’s being judged as a businessman, he isn’t getting his money’s worth with his campaign.
Nobody wants to take any big chances tonight, risk striking a knockout blow — they’re playing it very close to the vest and being quite positive.
Politico: How can Clinton say she represents change when there has never been a presidential election in 30 years that hasn’t had a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket?
Clinton: It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, it may take another Clinton to clean up after the second (big applause line).
Obama takes a soft swipe at Clinton over Iraq, the Beard tries to use it to start a fight and Hillary laughs it off. She tips her hat to Maxine Waters and the Out of Iraq caucus and the camera shows Maxine.
Maxine looks hot.
Politico: Why did you vote against Levin Amendment to make Bush report to Congress about weapons inspectors in Iraq? Hillary says she wouldn’t support it because it would give authority to UN Security Council and not the US government, and she didn’t agree with that. "If I knew then what I knew now." Brags that McCain says she’s surrendering because she wants to withdraw.
Beard: Is there progress in Iraq?
Obama: It’s a myth that Democrats don’t want progress in Iraq, but the notion that we have "succeeded" because violence is down is to set the bar so low it’s in the sand.
Remarkable the difference between their mutual poise, intelligence and thoughtfulness when compared with last night’s bickering pygmies.



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Hi Jane!
Hey, was Wolfie reading the last thread?
Was she NIE in trusting Bush? /s
“Day after day I fight for families who have members stationed in Iraq”
No you don’t, lady. Day after day you are running for President.
Ain’t that the truth… ;-)
Wolf gets a round of boos.
This war is a consequence of YOUR action as well, madame.
Jane:
I got your incoming… Yes that seems to be a good solution…
Wolf got booed.
Hi Jane. Just got back from Jimmy Amann’s announcement that he’s running for CT gov. Ed and Keith were there, with a hearse announcing that Amann2010 is D.O.A. Great political theater!
Hillary was “told personally by the White House” …
sorry, no cigar
and she keeps going back to WMD … damn
Well deserved. It should happen more often.
Wolfie asks Hill if she was naive about Bush. Gets catcalls!
McCain looked like a mean old man last night.
We bombed them for days…knowing he was a meglomaniac.
These two both have so much class. The best argument for Obama is that he is mobilizing our youth. And they’re registering Democratic. Which makes them much more likely to continue to vote Democratic.
Hillary is doing some effective filibustering
She’s making the argument for having gone to war against Saddam now.
It’s all in the execution.
Hit her hard, Barack.
Wolf got told to ’shut up’ LOL!!
Maxine always looks hot! damn, I adore that woman!
Right on day ONE!!!!!! Great line!!!!
It’s easy for Obama to say that– he wasn’t there to vote one way or the other.
Obama: It’s important to be right on day 1. Yow!
I respect Hillary for being willing to stand up for her vote.
But her standing up for it makes me want to vote for Obama.
Hillary thinks bombing human being for days is…noble…and displays….judgment…and….experience.
He just did that precisely right …
What’s up with the woman from Politico? She seems vapid, quite frankly…
Please, no sexist Monica references:)
-G
The Iraq war and the AUMF vote are both weak points that Hillary talks around but never addresses. This is a self inflicted wound. We can’t get past it because she clearly hasn’t.
Well….she is from Politico, isn’t she?
Sorry Obama do you really think only you are right…. how arrogant… gut feel gut feel… Sorry Obama you pass my gut feel still you just blew it big time with me!
Really! She really defended the entire war in that whole little exchange. I honestly think she will drag it out and drag it out and we’ll be there for 50 years instead of mccain’s 100…
Does that mean we should bomb the White House and the Naval Observatory (Cheney)?
Ah..that hot..not angry hot.*g*
Obama uses the same line he’s been using about judgment, but coming after Hillary’s lengthy, I-thought-about-it-so-much answer, it’s all the more devastating.
The sure do take alot of breaks in this one……. tea and crumpets I tell ya. :-)
Contrast her with Rachel Maddow …
It speaks well of all the Democrats that no one has ever brought up Bill’s pecadillos. That I know of, anyway.
This is why it’s hard for senators to run for president. Apparently some of you haven’t been paying much attention to American politics– senators have to represent their constituents.
It’s a requirement to work at Politico – the vapidity.
ow! your mind goes where mine does not …
blergh
Jim, missed you downstairs…said I’m glad somebody got the joke.
Vapid regurgitation of the Beltway CW is what the Politico does best.
How about not thinking that killing people is okay. How about that? How about having compassion instead of getting yer rocks off via your military prowess???
How about peace and diplomacy….
SPIT!!
HRC is proud of what “we” did. I’m not. I’m horrified.
I know. Its like the Indiana jones where the guys dancing all around with his sword and Harrison Ford just looks and takes a shot…… Obama in words though.
DON’T pass gut feel daym those fingers I told them what to type and they did what they wanted…. fifty lashes with a wet noodle
Every time I see Jim Vanderhei I want to scream. Sometimes I do.
Hillary’s lengthy answers on Iraq reminded me of Condi’s testimony trying to drag out time.
Well, given the continuing bombing of Iraq under sanctions during the Clinton presidency, I guess that’s part of the legacy eh?
Watching the people meter, they both do much better when they attack Bush.
Governors and Representatives don’t?
IMO..a male (Edwards) can say sorry..a woman (Hillary) can’t without being called indecisive, weak, not qualified to be C in C.
I’m not familiar with politico but the couple of times i was there it was very commercial and very shallow.
Yep, its a good one. At long shows, a winebar would be great. Both of my kids show.
correction.
We cannot have a clear-cut autumn campaign about warmaking if HRC is the nominee. The GOPs will hang that AUMF vote around her neck every time.
hollywood sex and violence? good grief!
oh boy … morality in entertainment …
should be interesting
Pretty much. Not my bag.
Breaking News:
Al Qaeda # 3 has been killed!
Now back to your Defeatocrat debate.
-G
Ah. the Lieberman question about sex and violence from Hollywood.
We’re AQHA, and I always bring the wine!
We need change. I’m clear on that.
This race has lost is edge for me. Not exciting. I think this marks the moment we begin to go right….. the path to losing. I’m just not energized at the prospect of a Democratic President anymore. Lost its energy somehow.
I’m inclined in that direction also… 1st woman commander in chief is a hard position to come in to…
Yeah right. They aren’t running for Senator. They are running for President. In this we are their constituents and they need to represent us.
American Quarter Horse Association?
P.S. not many like us out on the circuit.
Governors don’t vote to authorize military force. Representatives rarely make a credible run at the White House.
How many times have they killed #3?
You can have all the change in my piggy bank!
Gov. Arnold and Sly Stallone should address the violence and sex in Hollywood issues.
-G
OH OH Spouses
Did they really cut to Rob Reiner during the discussion of sex and violence in media?
All across America.. old turntables are spontaneously spinning backwards.
Obama – primary responsiblity is with parents, give parents the tools to exercise that responsibility … also asks folks in the industry to use thought about who they are marketing to, I’m concerned about sex but I’m also concerned about the slasher, violence and seeing trailers for slasher films when my 9 year old is watching American Idol.
Sadly, no question to Hillary about her involvement with some of these issues?
GSD, ya spoke too soon about Bill…
Here comes the “spouse question”?
Oh o Hillary laughed.
Hillary asked about how she will control Bill in the WH…
hopefully Bill will be required to stay in NY…
They can’t really as it supports their position. What they’ll try to do is use her changed positions against her.
don’t forget, the goopers are looking at Double Gitmo Willard and One hundred years war St McCain as the leading lights for them.
Yes, let the big dog run!!!! More bill!!!! yay….. sick ‘um!!! That was so revealing to what’s in store. Oh sure now that your real competition is gone you can claim this as YOUR campaign. riiiiiiiiight.
Just say it loud and clear this is a Billary White House
I believe that’s the 1,459,637th time get #3…… I could be off one or two.
Wolfie … dream ticket?
For what it’s worth, I’ve seen many senators say they didn’t find it necessary to read the NIE because they were briefed on it in-depth. I can understand people holding the vote against her, but this “reading the NIE” thing has become pretty overblown, and seems to be a knee jerk response every time the topic of the war comes up.
I wish people could keep a little perspective. If you want to criticize Hillary for lack of judgement or foresight, fine. But I think it’s a stretch to say she voted for bombing people.
Yes! I am on board with the dream ticket!
She says she is asking to being entrusted to take the job…not to give it to Bill.
Whoo Hoo! Wolf asks about the two of them being on one ticket?! Would they consider this?
Wolfie – Democrats everywhere think they are looking at the dream ticket on this stage. Would you consider an OC or CO ticket?
Last OT: We are going to the Reichert this year. They have some color classes.
Heh, Gore/Edwards…! ;-)
Dream ticket = Edwards/Obama 08 12, Obama Edwards 16, Obama ? next.
The name Clinton and “dream” are mutually exclusive.
Obama got a good one in about the order of the marquee!
Obama, premature and presumptuous. No more yes men or women in the cabinet.
Let’s not forget, it was Wolf Blitzer who showed Americans recently that Pakistan is in Africa:
http://truthdowser.blogspot.co…..raphy.html
Is our children learning yet? LOL
She lauded her husband for bombing people in 1998 just a few minutes ago!
Clearly, bombing people doesn’t faze her. She likes it.
OBAMA!!!!!
After the debate, Wolfie is going on a Mediterranean cruise with Hugh Hewitt, I hear.
This is a cool debate! I’m proud to be a Democrat!
It’s a sure thing. At least that’s what I think. I’m confident of a Democratic victory, but I’m a suspender and belt type of girl. The strongest combined ticket is what I want.
And Obama has raised the issue about the type of cabinet…that gov’t is on the publics side.
Barack — “I’m sure Hillary would be on anybody’s short list.”
Obama turns it back into an attack on R’s …
he’s been showing how he would attack the Rs this time and that’s good to see
“I’m sure Hillary would be on anybody’s shortlist”
We’ve lost our leader and these two don’t really know what the heck to do except agree agree agree..
Well, Edwards did just drop out. He was the one pushing the party to the left.
Hugh is cheating on Mitt?
Okay, last one from me too. Good luck!
Evidently.
Because we must never bomb anyone no matter what.
Damn, STFU.
My senators don’t represent their constituents. I’m from Oklahoma.
I am proud to be a Democrat.
Bon Voyage.
Plugs Biden.. must be smiling.
Well, that went well.
Except for the Leslie Beard part.
John Amato, Josh Marshall are scheduled on MSNBC for the post debate coverage
Our party was the winner of this debate!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Hey, LOST is on now!!!!! :D
Hear, hear! What a HUGE contrast from last night’s.
well, I thought it went very well… and in spite of some of the problems, I am still very proud to be a Democrat.
Hillary gets a shameless plug in on about her website/town meeting!
Wasn’t is just sooooo exciting……. not so much….. zzzzzzzzz
Excuse me??
If Hillary doesn’t become President I’d love to see her nominated for the Supreme Court. That would blow up some heads.
What?
Awesome candidates. I will support the one that gets the nomination.
(oooh …. was that Samuel L Jackson in his beret?)
(sorry, crush time)
Yes, American Quarter Horse Association. Not Arabians as previously run by Heckuva Job Brownie. We have standards.
I liked that BO putting his chair up to the table, what good manners.
I think it went well.
Wolfie just gave Chelsea googly eyes.
Anybody that votes the pukes back in is a bonehead, and will get a bonehead trophy in return…whatever that is…
Chelsea is so gracious and beautiful. Why can’t THIS Clinton be running this year? Why!!!!
Tom Coburn doesn’t represent you?
I just gave her googly eyes too!
Stop it. Wolfie is gay!!!!
Scalia’s, Alito’s, Thomas’, Roberts’, . . . just to name four.
Justice Hillary. I like that idea.
Obama would be a justice too. Wasn’t he one of those high class law professors?
Yes, it was very exciting. Excellence usually is.
D’oh…I should have realized by the Zippowinebar name!!!! Love it! Love them!!
Seems to me the best applause of the night was for a ticket with both the candidates on it regardless of the configuration.
Well, I hope the two way goes down to the wire. It will keep the Dems out in front of the public..and I think the Corporate media is going to do a Rezko on Obama.
Instant replay on it’s way.
Actually this was almost constructed to take the wind out of the “divisive Republicans” that hate one another…and all the Michelle Malkin won’t vote for McCain stuff.
No one will walk away from this believing that Obama snubbed Hillary at the STFU speech! No dirty tricks, no lies about the others statements. no egregious whinging.
Great tone…reconciliation…sort of a talk between a couple of close acquaintances over politics…dewspite the moderators trying to lead into personal arguments.
Did you see Obama try and help Hillary get up by pulling her chair back.
ARGHHHHHHH. She doesn’t need any help Barack!
Thank God, she sat still and waited to “get up” by herself.
What a twit!!!!!
Had a red roan out of Impulsions, sadly went lame at 10. Now have a palomino second generation Pinebar and Invester. Nothing like that roan though.
The contrast between the Repubs last night and our Dems tonight is stunning and wonderful. Makes all the Repubs look either older than dirt or just dumb. Thank goodness!
Yes! So proud to be a democrat tonight. No bad choice.
They’re gonna go after Bill bigtime too, but teh (teh) Pukes have some bigger fish we can fry….
What … and miss Bennett and F*cker Carlson ?!! /s
There is never anything wrong with being nice.
He was being polite. He did not mean any offense.
That does not make him a chauvinist, I do it all the time !
Given today’s piece in the NYT … not a good story for Bill C
KO back on!
Got a zebra dun…Poco Tevio and a lot of Yellow Jacket…
Nevermind everybody….
The fundies are going to be so busy going after McCain that they should be too busy going after Obama & Hillary.
time for KO and rachel maddow!!
Yup. He’s a piece of work.
Obama got a good dig against Condi Rice, BTW. “No more Yes men or Yes Women in the Cabinet” who would not offer contrary advice to him.
For either of them, the people meter went into the 70s, 80s, 90s when they attacked Bush. Democrats want to hear the condemnation.
He doesn’t represent anything I stand for. Neither does Inhofe. spit.
She’ll be constitutionally eligible in 2016, right?
Y’know, after
Hillarythe next president serves two terms?Just saying…
Thanks for the heads up!
That same thing happened, though, when the Republicans heard attacks against Hillary.
LOL! I think Chelsea has to get a voice ;-)
Pretty quiet for a Stanford graduate.
methinks chelsea’s a closet repug…..
http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..s-up-role/
I was being facetious, but yes, she is too young to run right now. ;-)
I hope the whole world bites into Tony Rezko; it’s gone no where; it goes no where, and anyone who does will waste time if they’re trying to score points against Obama with Rezco. It’s about as superficial a level of thinking as Obama’s middle name, confabulating he attended a Madrasa as a kid and the delusion that he did and it colors his thinking, and obsessing with the fact that he tried coke or whatever drugs as a kid.
I love it when I see a Rezco reference here. Iseem to remember Clinton campaign contributions from Norman Hsu, about $750,000 over the years from Denise Rich to the Clintons, including $400,000 to the Clinton library right before a pardon for her husband a federal fugitive received a Clinton pardon, and if you consider the New York Times company corporate media–because it’s multi media and it’s very corporate you can enjoy reading this little gem in today’s Times:
(Nice picture of Billiary with his corporate doners)
Clinton Nets Secret $131 Million Donation after Billiary Swings Sweetheart Mining Deal for Donor–A Look into the Perks of the Inner Clinton Circle NY Times January 31, 2008
Kinda looks like the ole corporate media is picking up on how things really work in Clintonland already.
I think that’s great! She’s wise (or coached) enough to know that it is not her time to speak yet. She is talking to those who are interested in hearing from her, the college student groups.
Sorry, but it reminded me of when the Chimp massaged Merkel’s back/neck. totally inappropriate in this setting. He treated her as weak when he should have treated her as an equal.
Do we really have to hear the campaign managers’ opinions on how the debate went? Is anyone going to say “I don’t know what happened, but we got killed”? It reminds me of seeing Karen Hughes’ gigantic melon popping on screen after each debate in 04.
She’s not a normal “female”. She campaigning to be POTUS. It reminds me of when the Chimp massaged Merkel’s back – inappropriate in this situation.
He was trying to put her in a subserviant position.
It’s called manners. A very approiate place to use them.
Nothing like a monarcy, America really need that, right?
Jane!
That aint the half of it; there are an ASS of pissed-off “stockholders”. :o)