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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241210</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish Edwards would have had more money to spend on advertising frankly. He was the “unknown” candidate in a way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Edwards would have had more money to spend on advertising frankly. He was the “unknown” candidate in a way.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241194</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW [Responding to myself ;-) ]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If by chance all of Edwards supporters shifted to Obama rather than Clinton she would still win in the following states.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;New York	56%C	28%O	10%	E&lt;br /&gt;
Minnesota (Fall Poll)	47%C	22%O	16% E  [2% Kucinich]&lt;br /&gt;
Massachusetts	59%C  22%O	11% E  [Will Kennedy’s endorsement make a difference?]&lt;br /&gt;
New Jersey	49%C	32%	O 10%E&lt;br /&gt;
Arkansas	57%C	17%O	14%E&lt;br /&gt;
Delaware	41%C	17%O	7%E	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These would be toss ups, leaning Clinton&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;California	49% Clinton	38%  Obama 	9% Edwards&lt;br /&gt;
Utah		31%C	18%O	9%E&lt;br /&gt;
New Mexico	17%C  8%O	8%E 	[44% Richardson+Undecideds]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lean Obama:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alabama	28+16=44%	vs. 43% Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Tennessee 20+16=36% vs. 34% Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Oklahoma	19+27= 46%  vs.	44%	Clinton&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Georgia	41+13= 54%  vs. 35%	Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Illinois	51+15=66% vs. 22%	Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Arizona	27+15= 42%	  vs. 37% 	Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Connecticut	40+11=51%  vs	40%	 Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Colorado	34+17= 51% vs.	32%	Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Missouri 	31+18=49% vs.	44%  Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
Idaho	33+15=48%	vs 31% Clinton	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very fanciful and some of these state polls are 4-5 months old, others just a week ago. But makes some interesting speculation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW [Responding to myself ;-) ]</p>
<p>If by chance all of Edwards supporters shifted to Obama rather than Clinton she would still win in the following states.</p>
<p>New York	56%C	28%O	10%	E<br />
Minnesota (Fall Poll)	47%C	22%O	16% E  [2% Kucinich]<br />
Massachusetts	59%C  22%O	11% E  [Will Kennedy’s endorsement make a difference?]<br />
New Jersey	49%C	32%	O 10%E<br />
Arkansas	57%C	17%O	14%E<br />
Delaware	41%C	17%O	7%E	</p>
<p>These would be toss ups, leaning Clinton</p>
<p>California	49% Clinton	38%  Obama 	9% Edwards<br />
Utah		31%C	18%O	9%E<br />
New Mexico	17%C  8%O	8%E 	[44% Richardson+Undecideds]</p>
<p>Lean Obama:</p>
<p>Alabama	28+16=44%	vs. 43% Clinton<br />
Tennessee 20+16=36% vs. 34% Clinton<br />
Oklahoma	19+27= 46%  vs.	44%	Clinton</p>
<p>Georgia	41+13= 54%  vs. 35%	Clinton<br />
Illinois	51+15=66% vs. 22%	Clinton<br />
Arizona	27+15= 42%	  vs. 37% 	Clinton<br />
Connecticut	40+11=51%  vs	40%	 Clinton<br />
Colorado	34+17= 51% vs.	32%	Clinton<br />
Missouri 	31+18=49% vs.	44%  Clinton<br />
Idaho	33+15=48%	vs 31% Clinton	</p>
<p>Very fanciful and some of these state polls are 4-5 months old, others just a week ago. But makes some interesting speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241168</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that the chances of Edwards getting more than 15% of the vote in any State from now on is infintismally dim. His best chance was on Tuesday the 5th and perhaps in N. Carolina…but not if he didn’t run actively.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The term “suspended” is merely so that he can obtain matching funds from the FEC when they comne out of adjournment so that he can clear his debt…and perhaps have a bit to donate to other candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only states where Edwards was polling above 15% on Super Tuesday are listed below…he’d get less than that since he withdrew from active campaigning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;California	9%	New York	10%  Massachusetts	11%  Georgia 13%	 New Jersey 10% Connecticut 11%&lt;br /&gt;
Utah 9% New Mexico	8% Arkansas	14%	 Delaware	7%	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Illinois 	15%	 Alabama16%  Minnesota 16%	Tennessee16%	 Arizona	15%	 Oklahoma 27%  Colorado	17%&lt;br /&gt;
Missouri	18%	 Idaho	15%&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the chances of Edwards getting more than 15% of the vote in any State from now on is infintismally dim. His best chance was on Tuesday the 5th and perhaps in N. Carolina…but not if he didn’t run actively.</p>
<p>The term “suspended” is merely so that he can obtain matching funds from the FEC when they comne out of adjournment so that he can clear his debt…and perhaps have a bit to donate to other candidates.</p>
<p>The only states where Edwards was polling above 15% on Super Tuesday are listed below…he’d get less than that since he withdrew from active campaigning.</p>
<p>California	9%	New York	10%  Massachusetts	11%  Georgia 13%	 New Jersey 10% Connecticut 11%<br />
Utah 9% New Mexico	8% Arkansas	14%	 Delaware	7%	</p>
<p>Illinois 	15%	 Alabama16%  Minnesota 16%	Tennessee16%	 Arizona	15%	 Oklahoma 27%  Colorado	17%<br />
Missouri	18%	 Idaho	15%</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241139</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;flu season started yesterday here in So Cal… kids dropping like flies at school… should be in full force by next Tuesday… wonder what that effect it will have? Younger people seem to be slammed much harder than us old folks…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HB, Busted!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(had a kid tell me he had a fever of 112 degrees - “Wow!” was all I could say ;-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting factor. Could disproportionately keep young-to-middle-aged married women at home…or maybe their mothers? Are these Hillary voters…or Obama voters?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surprisingly there may be a lot of independents that show up at the polls that intended to vote for Ron Paul or McCain only to find they’ve been cut out of the Republican Primary. Will they opt to vote in the Democratic Primary for Obama? Or Hillary? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d think it’s older voters that might vote early…a lot of the walk ups might be younger voters and even Hispanic  college students that might jump to Obama in the enthusiasm of what appears to be a lot of campus rallies planned over the next few days.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course this is in California…so who knows.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All I do know is that this Kucinich voter is going to vote for Obama after checking up on  their head-to-head Senatorial voting records. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW talking about a snub. Did anyone know that Obama refused to join Lieberman’s centrist “Senate New Democratic Movement” back when he was elected to the Senate. That was the group that frequently stymied the progressive wing of the party by joining with the Republicans in the late 1990’s and up until today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>flu season started yesterday here in So Cal… kids dropping like flies at school… should be in full force by next Tuesday… wonder what that effect it will have? Younger people seem to be slammed much harder than us old folks…</p>
<p>HB, Busted!</p>
<p>(had a kid tell me he had a fever of 112 degrees &#8211; “Wow!” was all I could say ;-)</p>
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<p>Interesting factor. Could disproportionately keep young-to-middle-aged married women at home…or maybe their mothers? Are these Hillary voters…or Obama voters?</p>
<p>Surprisingly there may be a lot of independents that show up at the polls that intended to vote for Ron Paul or McCain only to find they’ve been cut out of the Republican Primary. Will they opt to vote in the Democratic Primary for Obama? Or Hillary? </p>
<p>I’d think it’s older voters that might vote early…a lot of the walk ups might be younger voters and even Hispanic  college students that might jump to Obama in the enthusiasm of what appears to be a lot of campus rallies planned over the next few days.</p>
<p>Of course this is in California…so who knows.</p>
<p>All I do know is that this Kucinich voter is going to vote for Obama after checking up on  their head-to-head Senatorial voting records. </p>
<p>BTW talking about a snub. Did anyone know that Obama refused to join Lieberman’s centrist “Senate New Democratic Movement” back when he was elected to the Senate. That was the group that frequently stymied the progressive wing of the party by joining with the Republicans in the late 1990’s and up until today.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241116</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;got it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>got it.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241109</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh — *I* am handicapped.  (Yeah, I can’t drive or do much of anything without help.) I do not back down.  I am well aware of handicapped and the elderly problems.  And there are none that would preclude them from voting on election day — or a very few days before.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And AGAIN — there is a huge difference between voting, say, 3 days early — and voting a month early.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh — *I* am handicapped.  (Yeah, I can’t drive or do much of anything without help.) I do not back down.  I am well aware of handicapped and the elderly problems.  And there are none that would preclude them from voting on election day — or a very few days before.</p>
<p>And AGAIN — there is a huge difference between voting, say, 3 days early — and voting a month early.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241101</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A very large number of handicapped and elderly people vote early because it’s too difficult for them to navigate the long lines and long standing times on election day.  I think you are very harsh in your assessment that there is no need to vote early.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very large number of handicapped and elderly people vote early because it’s too difficult for them to navigate the long lines and long standing times on election day.  I think you are very harsh in your assessment that there is no need to vote early.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t want to start a pie fight about how well you can anticipate what will happen in California by what happened in Florida (because there are a lot of differences and depending on how you want to see things going down you’re liable to weight one thing over another), but the point is — just looking at it indicates that there is much more to the California race than what happens at the last minute, but that’s what all this horse race analysis (mis)leads you to believe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t want to start a pie fight about how well you can anticipate what will happen in California by what happened in Florida (because there are a lot of differences and depending on how you want to see things going down you’re liable to weight one thing over another), but the point is — just looking at it indicates that there is much more to the California race than what happens at the last minute, but that’s what all this horse race analysis (mis)leads you to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: choochmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241094</link>
		<dc:creator>choochmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, early voting in CA favors Hillary, however…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;projected 50% of CA voting means just that a projection based on past voting.  If Obama folks get a whole lot of “extras” to vote like in all the previous contests (except Fl because it wasn’t suppose to be a contest) then the 50% already voted will be a lesser percentage and won’t be as determinative.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, early voting in CA favors Hillary, however…</p>
<p>projected 50% of CA voting means just that a projection based on past voting.  If Obama folks get a whole lot of “extras” to vote like in all the previous contests (except Fl because it wasn’t suppose to be a contest) then the 50% already voted will be a lesser percentage and won’t be as determinative.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/come-on-msnbc-what-about-gotv/#comment-1241089</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course, the military and foreign nationals are not included.  (Do I have to even mention such things?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So — others’ lives are “disrupted?”  Oh, poor babies!  The number of Americans whose lives are SO disrupted that they can’t vote within a few days of the actual election day — VERY FEW.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess we have to spell everything out here — OK, those having major super duper surgery — they can vote a month early.  Who else?  WHO wants to vote but can’t several days ahead?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I get so sick of this country going to hell in a handbasket — while Americans can’t be troubled to upset their lives to VOTE.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the military and foreign nationals are not included.  (Do I have to even mention such things?)</p>
<p>So — others’ lives are “disrupted?”  Oh, poor babies!  The number of Americans whose lives are SO disrupted that they can’t vote within a few days of the actual election day — VERY FEW.</p>
<p>I guess we have to spell everything out here — OK, those having major super duper surgery — they can vote a month early.  Who else?  WHO wants to vote but can’t several days ahead?</p>
<p>I get so sick of this country going to hell in a handbasket — while Americans can’t be troubled to upset their lives to VOTE.</p>
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