Breaking: MSNBC reporting that Senator Edwards will drop out of the Presidential race. Here’s more from the AP:
The two-time White House candidate notified a close circle of senior advisers that he planned to make the announcement at a 1 p.m. EST event in New Orleans that had been billed as a speech on poverty, according to two of his advisers. The decision came after Edwards lost the four states to hold nominating contests so far to rivals who stole the spotlight from the beginning — Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
From commenter MikeMc:
I’m an Obama supporter, so this is hard to say. John Edwards, in my opinion, won every debate. I can’t understand how he could never seem to gain any traction. Even though he isn’t my guy this is kind of spirit crushing. Everyone on the boards here know how hard the Clinton/Obama people attack each other. It gets fucking ugly! The Edwards folks, always passionate, never seem to draw their guns. All of Edward’s supporters should be extremely proud of the way they conduct themselves on this site. You are a class act, as was your candidate. John Edwards was, and is, a truly honorable man. I’ll miss him!
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On the economic stimulus front, while the House yesterday passed the package Speaker Pelosi and Boehner "negotiated" last week, Democratic Senators proposed a $10 billion bigger plan that includes unemployment benefits and more money for food stamps, but also removes the income caps on the tax rebates — meaning that even the very wealthy will get $500 – $1000 rebates.
In his SOTU speech, Bush warned Congress against loading up the stimulus bill and increasing the deficit, but if you’re worried that we might ruin the economy over this fight, you can relax. As Krugman and other economists are pointing out, the Bush Administration has had a massive economic stimulus program in effect since 2001: cutting taxes by trillions and using deficit spending to fund a multi-trillion dollar war. With the possible exception of World War II, it may be the most expansionist fiscal policy in our history — and we’re still slipping into a recession because of other factors.
So whatever one thinks about the merits of individual components, and how they’re tilted towards those who don’t really need it as much, the $10 billion difference between the Senate and House stimulus packages probably doesn’t make much difference to the economy.
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File under pet peeves: this AP story carries the headline, "US troop reductions may slow or stop," while the same story at the NYT by Stoleberg and Shanker proclaims, "At White House, Second Look at a Plan to Reduce Troops." When will the media get it straight that the regime has no plans to end the occupation?
The thrust is that Bush might have to slow down "his plans" to remove even more troops from Iraq than he put in for the surge, if the progress produced by the surge doesn’t continue. What plans?
For the umpteenth time, the limitations on total US forces and the mathematics of 15 month tours require that the US withdraw about one Army combat brigade and a Marine Battalion or so every month until June. It has nothing to do with whether or not we’re making progress, whether the Iraqi security forces can pick up the slack (they can’t), or anything else. And whatever flexibility Petraeus hoped to have after June is gone because at least one brigade is already being sent to Afghanistan, again leaving us with little strategic reserves. Why can’t the media get these basic facts, which have been out there for months?
All the talk about withdrawing substantially more troops than the surge added is just misdirection. Today’s NYT editorial notes the signing statement Bush attached to the twice passed, once vetoed Pentagon funding appropriation signals an endless occupation.
It’s glaringly obvious why Mr. Bush rejected the fourth provision, which states that none of the money authorized for military purposes may be used to establish permanent military bases in Iraq.
It is more evidence, as if any were needed, that Mr. Bush never intended to end this war, and that he still views it as the prelude to an unceasing American military presence in Iraq.
Any supposed "plan" to withdraw more troops is completely inconsistent with the Administration’s policy to remain in Iraq indefinitely, to sign a permanent "status of forces" agreement without Congress’ consent, and to undermine restrictions on permanent bases. The realitiy is the regime must retain a large combat force in Iraq to keep the 80,000 man Sunni militia we’ve armed and paid for from turning on the Shia government that refuses to accept them; and they want to keep a strategic force in Iraq as a check on Iran.




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The crow is on the case!
Edwards dropping out says MSNBC
Oh god, the teeth gnashing on the lake will begin!
Oh no. Now I don’t get to caucus for him in MN on so-called tsunami Tuesday…
Morning Scarecrow, the answer to your rhetorical question about the media is simple – the facts won’t fit the headline.
epu’d from downstairs, but still relevant:
G’morning, Scarecrow and pups. About the Republican VP thingie? There’s a very strong and real chance that McCain’s VP pick will be Minnesota’s own Tim Pawlenty. That has been on the radar for more than two years. Pawlenty is young(er), good-looking in a Romney-esque way, a party loyalist, and acolyte of Bush with mentorship (confirmed) by Cheney and Rove. Pawlenty was pulled from running for U.S. Senate when Norm Colemeleon ran, and Timmer was promised much for bailing on that. He has spent an inordinate amount of time in D.C.
Well for starters they don’t deal in facts. Second facts are inconvenient especially when you have been promoting and peddling the illegal invasion from the outset. Third the same corporations that own the MSM (Hughes, Warner etc.) also have large interests in the “defense” industry with cross board membership as well as direct investment. Fourth….. well you get the point. The truth ain’t coming out. Sorry.
PS Morning Scarecrow
:)
Dropping out before super tuesday would be bloody stupid. I don’t believe a word of it.
This is EXACTLY why the Democratic Party didn’t want Florida to hold their primary in January.
I’m beginning to get a bad feeling about this.
Hey, it’s on the world wide internet!
sticking it out to, at least, super tuesday would be great!
Nobody else has anything about Edwards dropping out.
Read Juan Cole to see once again how well things are going in Iraq. I know! Let’s pour more money into that rathole! The body-bag budget is woefully inadequate.
I wonder if Edwards will endorse Obama (It seems likely). I’m a bit pissed he decided to drop out right before Super Tuesday. Why not just go the distance?
Former Sen. John Edwards is quitting the presidential race, CNN has learned
I wonder if it’s Elizabeth? She hasn’t been campaigning with him lately. Hope not.
AP also reporting Edwards dropout.
CNN and CBS running with it now
CNN’s webpage confirms John’s dropping out.
What? You’re not suggesting the media would be less than honest with me?
Bush is teh awesome.
The surge is working (also teh awesome).
The man is gonna send me a check and all will be right with the economy, unless the democrats fuck it up.
Thanks MSNBC
Maybe because he has NO chance of winning. Maybe he can help Elizabeth instead of wasting his time.
He shoulda stayed in! Hillary could easily tank imo
Sad day in the US with Edwards out.
Will have to support Obama now, but like kiddo, will vote for Clinton in the general if she is the nominee.
If you have not walked the cancer treatment walk with your SO, it’s hard to imagine how that tears out your soul. I don’t know how Edwards has done what he’s done. He was in MN last night. David had chemo, so we couldn’t go, but I understand it was a huge crowd. I am so sad about this.
I hope Edwards sends votes Obamas way.
But any Democrat will do.
Can’t say i blame after that kennedy speech.
So, who benefits from this “check on Iran,” and how much are they going to pay us for this protection? Just askin’.
Last time I looked, Edwards was an attorney, not an Oncologist.
Like he had a chance after Iowa? Since he already went through NH, NV, and SC, why not Super Tuesday?
RE: but any Democrat will do
WRONG! Oh, sorry for shouting.
Announcement from John will come from New Orleans today – he’ll stop where he started.
*GNASH* *wail*
Boxturtle (Gooooo Obama!)
Maybe that’s it (Elizabeth’s cancer treatment). That makes a lot more sense to me.
Oh, that’s right, the only way to help someone with an illness is if you are a doctor. You must be kidding.
IF Edwards goes to Obama….betcha both Hil and Obama offering VP slots to him btw….and does it before Super Tuesday….it could kill Hillary off and make it the one campaign everyone says would be a lock for the dems…Obama vs McCain…….Hilary is known as the lightning road for the GOP….the best unifier they have.
BBC World Service also has Edwards dropping out. Will announce in New Orleans…
Not really. Clinton will lead to a resurgence of the Republics.
Impossible that is was a combination of factors huh?
I’m feeling a little better about my Obama vote yesterday. I truly hope this is not because of Elizabeth. I hope that Obama and Edwards have made a deal. I have been saying for a few weeks that I think putting Edwards in as VP puts an attorney in the best possible spot to unwind the webs of deception and deviousness that Cheney has constructed with his pet attorneys.
Right. That’s exactly what I said.
Funny how Edwards and Huckabee have the same number of delegates, but their campaigns were spun so differently by the media. Of course, Huck isn’t facing off against two candidates with over $100M each in his race, but curious nonetheless.
Surely you don’t mean that. Like Harry Truman said, he was a husband and father before he became president, and he expected to be a husband and father afterwards.
A sad day for the 2 Americas—or at least for one of them. :o(
The Edwards’ made an informed decision some months ago.
I respected their choice then.
It is an entirely personal matter.
My comment was more to question whether other than the Edwards family has the right to question their decisions of how to deal with their situation.
Hey, the corporate media has it’s priorities, don’t cha know.
Roger that
JE did this for the good of his family, Americans, the country and, yes, even the Democratic Party. Now you must choose.
It sucks that Edwards is bowing out, but it’s understandable. Is there any indication if he’s going to endorse?
Bullshit, Raven. This campaign was helping Elizabeth. Live with a cancer survivor and then tell me having your purpose in life yanked before you want it is ”helping.”
Edwards to speak later today in NO according to local radio in Fargo/AP reporting. Edwards was supposed to appear here this a.m. but that was scrubbed rescheduled to Fri eve. Doubtless a delaying move.
You hit a raw nerve with that comment, Raven! [comment 22]
Gnashing my teeth , but understandable.
This has really bummed me out. We are now left with four candidates that are all owned by the same corporations. Which one are they going to shove down our throats? Frankly if Edwards is not on one of the tickets I will not be able to support either MrsBill or Obama. I don’t like either one of them at all.
As I memtioned in a previous thread, I caught Doughy Pantload with Scarborough this morning.
The money quote: “If Hillary is nominated the Republicans will rally around a ham sandwich”.
I have been an Edwards supporter from day one. After hearing Obama speak in Iowa and South Carolina and hearing Kennedy speak the other day, I am prepared now to line up behind Obama (no matter who Edwards endorses). I will hold my nose and vote for Clinton in the General if necessary, just like I did in ‘92 when Jerry Brown dropped out.
How do you know what the campaign was doing to her? Maybe there is more to their lives than this fucking “campaign”.
The current AP story says he won’t immediately endorse anyone.
I think we are all a little “raw” today.
How depressing.
Unless your campaign is broke! Does anybody know how Elizabeth is?
And since I made more than one comment how the hell am I supposed to know what you are jumping up and down about. And, furthermore, don’t make assumptions about what I have lived through.
What corporations own whom?
Our super mods have fixed the picture. Everyone refresh.
Same here, that is why we have building a progressive majority in congress to focus on ;)
I’m not sure that our union will survive a bad Democrat, I’m fairly certain we will not survive ANY of the Republican options.
So, wrong as it may be, at this point.
Any Democrat will do.
For now.
scarecrow, as always an incredible piece
my bold should be replaced with “forever or until we are destroyed, whichever comes first”
You’re a hero in my book, Raven. Thanks again for your service to our country.
Edwards could still wield a lot of clout on the FISA telco immunity issue. Any indications he’d be willing to do that?
The Dems have approximately twice as many total delegates as the Rs. The fact that Huck and Edwards have the same number of raw delegates is irrelevant.
Edwards apparently won’t make an endorsement until after Super Tuesday. If that’s the case, the timing on this is kind of odd.
Edwards dropping out is an unmitigated tragedy. Why didn’t he hang on until Super Tuesday? I still believe that he is the strongest candidate the Party can put up in the general election. Is there any chance of convincing him to reconsider?
Thoughts?
All four of the remaining candidates take “donations” (bribes) from big pharma, insurance, defense, oil, banking etc. Easy to find the corporate names but frankly I cannot be bothered right now. Google it.
No.
Once a candidate starts putting the word out that “I’m done,” the decision is practically cut in stone.
The reply to comment # didn’t hold, so I went back and added in comment #22.
I don’t presume at all to know what you’ve been thru. It’s just a tad disingenuous then for you and others on this thread to jump into speculation and a snarky comment about wasting time.
I for one don’t consider a second of what John–and Elizabeth and their family and supporters–have done in trying to push progressive values and policies a waste of time.
And I expect/hope that Edwards will continue to push those long after the campaign season ends and Election Day passes.
I salute John Edwards for every moment he and his family have devoted to this campaign, and I do NOT presume to second-guess why he’s withdrawing or where he’ll go from here. I look forward to what he says for himself on that.
Im too sad for much comment. But I think that it was the Kennedy endorsement.
I’m with you on this one, Prairie. Dealing with cancer and chemo and, and, and in this household. Don’t be telling us how to live our lives, please and thank you.
What time is beer thirty today.
Damn. A reliable news source is saying it now…
am sad about Edwards
—egr from iphone
I’ve confirmed that Edwards is dropping out through a couple of sources now — it’s accurate. Just FYI everyone…
You may well be right. I was pissed at that endorsement then and I am now.
You’re right. I’m just very raw and snarky at the moment on the heels of Edwards’ withdrawal. I’ll behave now.
Well, on the bright side, the debates will be more focused. On what is the question.
Right now works for me.
Sad about Edwards also. I’m hoping he slides his support to Obama. Enough of dynasties. Anyone born since 1981 has always had a Bush or a Clinton in the White House. Enough already.
waving to eg through iPhone. It’s sad news to me too
He would be an awesome attorney general.
And JE didn’t?
I admit that was my reaction too.
Some Kennedy’s have done wonderful things, but I’m sick of the dynasties.
It may be that he has cut a deal with Obama, who is considered to be the prime benefactor of Edward’s dropping out.
It’s a discussion board. I said what I thought and so did you.
Half past beer, of course. (.g
The Bride and I were just discussing that very thing a moment ago.
I can imagine AG Edwards in an Obama administration prosecuting Bush and Cheney for war crimes.
What a wonderful fantasy!
I’m an Obama supporter, so this is hard to say. John Edwards, in my opinion, won every debate. I can’t understand how he could never seem to gain any traction. Even though he isn’t my guy this is kind of spirit crushing. Everyone on the boards here know how hard the Clinton/Obama people attack each other. It gets fucking ugly! The Edwards folks, always passionate, never seem to draw their guns. All of Edward’s supporters should be extremely proud of the way they conduct themselves on this site. You are a class act, as was your candidate. John Edwards was, and is, a truly honorable man. I’ll miss him!
Hilfyer@36: I think you nailed it. This is a another nail in Hillary’s political coffin. I cannot see Edwards endorsing her, or taking second spot from her, if she can somehow win it. She’s nothing but DNC-beltway, the same kind of politician that’s been losing elections for us all along, with the added factor that so many republicans and conservatives across the board, as well as a lot of independents, despise her.
I think, and hope, that the pieces are dropping into place to force her out of the race. They say Edwards won’t immediately endorse anyone, but I think it depends on what you mean by “immediately”. I think he can put Clinton on the ropes, with an endorsement for Obama by next Tuesday.
And Al Gore can send her back to the senate.
All of which is the best-case scenario for the democratic party. I pray it works out this way. It’s not just the repubs that are tired of the Clintons; there are a lot of democrats who feel that way, too.
I notice that MSN got the news out quickly. Guess that’s what it takes to get “noticed”. Ironic indeed.
I can think of two or three reasons he is dropping out. First – he ran out of money, but why not try to go another week and drop out after Super Tuesday with more delegates to use as a potential kingmaker. Second – he was offered an influential post in the cabinet of the winner – possibly by both candidates. Third – and the one I don’t want to think about – Elizabeth Edwards’ health is deteriorating.
Peterr @ 71: I know you’re right, but . . .
Well said.
For the MN caucus, I’m not sure what I’ll do. I might toss a coin between Hillary or Obama, or just stay home. Obama will carry my district in any case–MN-05, Ninneapolis, the bluest and most ethnically diverse in the state. My critter, Keith Ellison, has already wired the district for him…*g*
I’m sorry about Edwards also. However, it was becoming apparent that the only thing he could hope for was to bargain delegates for candidate adopting some of his positions. We would have never known how that worked out.
At this point, I really think it’s a mistake to badmouth either remaining Democrat. I don’t think you can seriously say that either are as bad as the Republican candidates who have endorsed Bush on everything. From here on in, its like discussing certain things around your children. There are little independent ears around.
MSNBC saying his dropping out helps Hillary.
I hope not.
How sweet it would be, but it would be very out of character for Obama, the harmony maker.
Re: my 98: Minneapolis…
That was very nice.
Correct
Edwards would be an excellent AG, true. But I’d much rather see him as VP with a shot at the top spot afterwards and maybe Fitz chasing Bush & Cheney. And Gonzo. And Addington. And….Hmm, we may need TWO AG’s!
Boxturtle (Last time Satan lawyered a trial was against Dan’l Webster. Think maybe he’ll offer defend Bush/Cheney?)
Wow! You’re not well-versed in the psychology of the election process, are you?
I am worried that Elizabeth is sick. When did we last see her?
I was wondering if you were implying something about ninnies! Pesky typos…
Do you have any idea how expensive Super Tuesday is for a presidential candidate?
Re Biodun @ 99: I think I might still cast my caucus vote (MN 03) for Edwards, at least on the first round.
Lawrence O’Donnell was certainly of the opposite opinion when he wrote that nasty piece at HuffPo. I’ve also heard a couple of others conjecture that Obama would be the main beneficiary. (I have no independent theory of my own as to why that should be so.)
You are so kind. Thank you so much for your wonderful outreach to Edwards preferrers.
This Edwards vote will now go to Obama. Can’t speak for anyone else.
Thanks for that fantasy. It’s helping to mitigate the lousy hollow feeling I suddenly discovered when I turned on MSNBC this morning.
I am not a traditionally religious sort, but, God bless both John & Elizabeth Edwards, & powerful good thoughts for the future to you & yr. family.
Thanks, for that.
Two Illinois votes
Edwards > Obama
Are you suggesting that Obama would prosecute Bush and Cheney, if he gets elected?
If other Edwards supporters are anything like me, and I think they are, this will benefit Obama, not Clinton.
My beer thirty will be chasing something more stout than my beer thirty
My vote to Obama also. I think he might be a great president and Thom Hartmann points out that he will grow in the job.
All the flying pigs would be too distracting.
I find it hard to believe Edwards would run as anyone’s VP candidate. Been there, done that. I think the strongest candidate either Billary or Obama could pick would be Jim Webb. On the other hand, I’d also like to see him push Harry Reid aside as Senate Majority Leadeer.
If he gets elected President you can bet your last dollar that I will be urging him and all of my elected representatives, including Sen. Hillary Clinton, to do just that.
By doing it now my vote next Tues wont be wasted
It’s also of large significance, imo, that this announcement comes almost an entire week before Super Tuesday instead of Friday or over the weekend. I’d even be willing to believe the crucial timing of Edwards’ announcement has an intended effect that supercedes the news of his withdrawal.
There will be no one to chase. Presidential pardons will wipe away any kegak problems for members of the Bush Administration. Additionally, the Democrats are quite content being lapdogs. Why else would they be silent as Bush repeatedly uses signing statements to change bills to fit his desires?
MikeMc and mods and Christy and ??? May I post Mike’s comment, or a portion thereof, on my blog with attribution to FDL? I want people to see what genuine compassion can do to heal wounds.
yikes! kegak=legal
Ah the election of ‘change’ and we’ll get the two refried establihment candidates.
Blecho.
-G
No. I’m suggesting that projection of any future actions by any of the candidates at this juncture is foolhardy.
OT
at ten on CSPAN 1:
Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearing
Attorney General Michael Mukasey testifies at a Justice Department Oversight hearing. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) chairs this Senate Judiciary Committee proceeding.
Please do!!
I believe that you meant “testilies”
I am really sad about Edwards dropping out, and surprised he’s doing it before Tuesday. I really hope Elizabeth is okay and her health has not taken a turn for the worse.
Now I have to decide whether to bother caucusing for “Uncommitted” on Tuesday here in Colorado. Not sure I will bother. I certainly won’t give my vote automatically to Obama.
I suppose many of the Super Tuesday states heard his message. But they will not get to vote on it.
Come on, Barack, you will need everything you have for the debate on Thursday night.
MikeMc; I proudly raise my hand as an Edwards supporter to say that I have drawn my “gun” against Hillary Clinton every chance I had. Nominating someone who is close to the republicans and George Bush, AND JOHN McCAIN! on the bloody debacle in Iraq, as she is, will be a political disaster for us.
As I watched her enthusiastically applauding bush’s “surge accomplished!” bullshit, at the same time Obama spoke HIS feelings about it by sitting on his hands, I was thinking: “You GO, Hil! Post-speech, why don’t you hustle over for a Lieberman-style frenching with this distinguished ‘murkan statesman? Just think of all the kneejerk voters who will love it, and decide to support you.” (Joan-Rivers-style finger-gag gesture…)
It’s not a lock yet, but I think, and hope, that Edwards did this to set up an endorsement of Obama next Sunday. And I think he did it because his campaign had not caught on, and because he knows that coming out for Obama will be a big step toward sealing the fate of the republican party in the general election. They simply cannot win without Clinton to run against.
I’m waiting for Al Gore to speak out. And I hope that there are some extensive phone calls being made between himself and John, as to co-ordinating their endorsements of Obama for the maximum effect.
God, I can hardly wait to see Obama asking John McCain if he thinks 100 more years of Iraq will be enough. :o) :o) :o)
Is Keith Ellison the bright light he seems to be from the distant Phoenix?
Is this for me? Thanks!!
Draws from the new about rudy’s departure.
You’re up top, now. Refresh.
Prosecuting or not is really up to the president, who is the nation’s top law-enforcement officer. I supported Edwards mainly because I thought he was more likely to prosecute BushCo than were Obama and Clinton. At this point, I consider Obama more likely to prosecute that Hillary would be, but listening to him say that the biggest problem in this country is too much acrimony makes me thank that even he would be quite unlikely to prosecute his predecessors. (But maybe Vermont will come thorugh with indictments.)
Let’s admit it, with 3 stolen elections, we are all gun shy. We just need someone who cannot lose. I would love to put Hill up there just to rub the Repugs face in it, but we are not sure that the GOP vote counting system wouldn’t steal the election again. We can’t take a chance with even a few percentage points.
Our first and foremost priority should be get ANY Dem in and fix the system. A secondary goal will be the retirement of those “survivors” Reid, Peloski, Jello Jay, and those useless creeps.
Any continuation of Repug rule will just allow more time for destroying evidence and corrupting our democracy.
Ellison is indeed a bright light with lots of detractors. But his is a reliably solid Dem district, so he’s in a good place for as long as he desires. Ambitious, smart, politically savvy.
I would hope that any decisions to prosecute would not be a result of Executive policy, but rather come from carefully considered legal judgements of competent appointees in Justice.
Eek – there’s those flying pigs again.
Judiciary Ctme on C-Span1 now. Mukasey to testify. Leahy speaking
IMHO, it’d probably be foolhardy to now announce the intent to prosecute. I’m merely speculating about post-election behavior.
The news coverage of the effect of John Edwards dropping out has been awful as usual. At least 8 “analysts” said now his supporters will have to decide if they can vote for a black man. As if John Edwards supporters were all bigots. Pick, pick, pick at that sore…
I saw only one reporter break down his actual supporters as “working class” (traditional democrats) as opposed to belonging to either the younger or more affluent crowd.
It’s disgusting how the media is covering this race.
Mukasey hearing starting on C-Span 3.
I haven’t shed tears in quite a while, but Edwards pulling out is doing that to me.
SJC starting now, Leahy speaking.
Bush will not be content until he destroys what remains of this nation before he slinks of to his ranch.
I just wish there were one Democrat bold enough to call him a dickhead to his face and in public.
-G
Also, with Edwards out, class, which many Americans don’t like to talk about because they think it doesn’t exist, is now out of the identity politics toss-up. Edwards was the only candidate to focus on poverty. He was the only openly anti-corporate candidate…
It’s going to be OK.
That’s really neat! Thanks!
Edwards was the only candidate who got his money from corporations *against their will*
I’m very disappointed to the point of mild depression at this news. It must have been a hard decision for John, and I will bet it has to do more with Elizabeth’s health than anything strategic. As to the outcome, I like Obama’s style, and I’m impressed with Senator Clinton’s grit. After what she’s been through with her husband, I don’t think we need to have any doubts about her mental and emotional stamina. I don’t like the people around her, who cluster like flies on a cow pattie.
Since it costs nothing to guess the future, my guess is that the MSM will continue to support Obama. But I note in passing that the first ‘hit’ on him is in today’s NYT, to the effect that he took ’special interest’ money. Read the story a little more closely and you see that those interests are our interests. But nevermind. People read the headline and assume he’s taking money form big pharma or some other lobby. Nevermind that that money goes to the thugs.
I’m thoroughly depressed now. Edwards is right. This is a rich man’s country. The rest of us are just here on suffrance.
Hillary has been coming close.
(I haven’t heard that exact phrasing)
I understand, and you have every right to do as you please. I’m just saying that any cynicism at this point, when the entire left is trying to get loose of the right’s choke hold, is counter-productive.
Leahy is really trashing Bush and Cheney
Sangemon@119; I’m like you. I think John was taking more votes from Obama than he was taking from Clinton. And if he did that on Super Tuesday, he could hand her the nomination. The progressives who have been nauseated by Hillary’s “triangulating”, and whom have overwhelmingly voted for someone else on every progressive straw poll I’ve seen, should be pleased about this. Even if, as I feel, it’s mixed with sadness at seeing Edwards drop out.
It’s not over yet, but I can’t believe that Clinton can offer him anything that would overcome his knowledge that if he endorsed her, he could be handing the election to the republicans.
John Edwards IS a populist democrat, and I believe he’s come a pilgrim’s progress since his term in the Senate. We’ll know shortly, and it IS time; in fact, way PAST time, for some resolution.
Scarecrow, I’m glad that you put MikeMc’s comment up top for all the world to see. It’s one of the classiest most magnanimous comments I’ve seen in a long, long time. Thanks, MikeMc.
Senate Judiciary hearing on cspan now. No thread?
My appreciation and prayers go to the Edwards family for all they have contributed to this contest.
Their contribution has been substantial and generous.
Well, he lost as a prosecutor in that “trial” so why would he be any better as a defense attorney?
I have a form of cancer, but I also have a normal life expectancy. Funny how the general population is quick to write off any family’s future due to a cancer diagnosis. Even if you are in perfect health, today can be your last day on earth because people get killed in auto accidents and other accidents, in wars and national disasters. Some people who seem healthy die of natural causes. We are all terminal the day we are born, right? All of you healthy people, you could die today. Are you going to quit your job, stop running for president? Or are you going to keep forging on?
Ditto. I have enormous respect for someone who served our country in Vietnam, came back to get his PhD, and has progressive views and a sense of humor…
I damn near called in sick today when I woke up to this news on the alarm clock.
We the people have lost our Champion.
Huh?
FYI everyone — the SJC has a hearing with Mukasey on waterboarding and torture today. I have to run some things over to The Peanut’s preschool this morning — after liveblogging for two straight days, I’m behind on my momma duties. Emptywheel is going to liveblog the hearing so no one will miss anything, and you can find her first liveblog thread here.
Edwards couldn’t get any traction because he took much less big business money. Is there any disagreement?
Yes, a lot,
The media treated him as a non entity.
8 years of Bush. I consider that a choke hold by the right.
They froze him out intentionally. He was the only threat to their continued piracy.
It not the “chokehold” I’m quibbling about. It’s the “the entire left is trying to get loose.” I’ve seen very little struggle from the elected left, and far too much capitulation.
Bustednuckles,
The medeia is owned by big business.
Congrat’s MikeMc on goin’ front page. And thanks from an Edwards guy.
That is only too obvious and I would love to discuss this more but I am on my way out the door to go to That Place.
Busted @ 172:
Could it be so because they realized he was probably the strongest candidate the Dems could nominate?
I’m not disputing that the ‘elected’ left has capitulated at times. I was referring to the entire left voters. I guess I should have said a vast majority of liberal voters want to end the BushCo/neocon/wingnut castatrophe. Better? :)
Obama was always about keeping Edwards in third place.
Edwards was the candidate the Shadow Government most feared, so Obama was financed to prevent a head-to-head race between Edwards and Clinton.
Now, Obama will fade, and Hillary will win the nomination by default.
No.
I can say it now. I am an Edwards supporter. And if his name is in the machine on Tuesdeay, I will vote for him even if he has dropped out (hey he could always drop back in–it’s no weirder than a late run by Bloomie)
For me the rpimary will be over. I will of course vote for the Dem nominee over the Rep nominee, but From now until November I doubt I will give a shit. no more debates watching no more rush to see hwat the pundits say.
Sorry Tweety and KO, you just lost some viewrship for the next few months.
Cause I don’t see myself giving a rat’s ass about Hill and Obama wasting my time talkin trash at each other because their platforms are almost identical so they have nothing left to say.
MSM, you just killed the goose that laid your political coverage golden eggs.
It is sad. President Edwards would hve been cool.
Hi, my first post here. I too am sad to see Edwards drop out. I hope it’s not related to his wife’s health. He wasn’t my first choice, but I would have gladly supported him in the general. I’m a Hillary supporter, and I’m curious why so many Obama supporters take it as an article of faith that Edwards will endorse Obama, or that he even supports him. I’ve been hearing from Obama supporters since before Iowa that Edwards voters are sort of a bloc of Obama votes in waiting, yet I’ve never seen a single comment from Edwards that leads to that conclusion.
Without being insulting, I really think a lot of it stems from the attitude shared by many Obama supporters that anyone with ideas automatically likes Obama, while Hillary supporters are a bunch of party hacks. This is of course belied by the support she has received so far from the voters, including last night in Florida.
I admit to not following this part of the campaign too closely, but my memory is that in the polls, and in Nevada in particular, Hillary has been the second choice of Edwards supporters. Can anyone point me to real facts that indicate otherwise?
And by the way, I sincerely doubt that Kennedy’s endorsement had any effect. The press played it up like Princess Di’s wedding, and there’s no doubt that it’s significant. Yet I still think Hillary will win Massachusetts, despite Obama having the backing of Kennedy, Kerry and Deval Patrick. Should that happen, I think we’ll see the actual value of endorsements.
Amen to that.
That certainly is true of the vast majority of the electorate. But then maybe the vast majority of the electorate is indeed to the left of the elected left. Hmmmm.
I’ll be watching John Edward’s speech. My vote will not automatically go to Obama, for what that’s worth. Man, I’ll miss John. For me, hope has left this election.
I want to tune it all out now. I hope I can, I see nothing but corporate infighting on the horizon. My heart is just broken over Edwards leaving the race.
Sad news indeed. And, hopefully not health-related.
Wish he had stayed in.
Clinton will NOT do what is necessary. Neither will Obama.
But, perhaps, Obama is educable?
Looseheadprop @ 183, you are going to have lots of company.
That could be true. Like so many other things in life, time will tell.
Couldn’t’ve said it any better. As RevDeb said, Amen.
Did a little open letter to John and Elizabeth at my slower-paced blog. And for people like Barbara who mentioned MikeMc’s comment and any others who have blogs but don’t have a live link on their name, please update your registration with your blog URL so we can drop by from time to time by clicking on your name.
~ Prairie
An Open Letter
Amen to RevDeb and lhp. Am very sad today. Have thought for the longest time that John and Elizabeth could be today’s equivalent of Eleanor and Franklin, albeit with a happy marriage.
I will be interested to watch how this is covered. In my travels of recent months, when people actually have learned of JRE’s positions on the issues, they have been compelled by his candidacy.
The process (and the MSM’s complicity in it) is broken and I fear for our democracy….as it was originally designed.
Edwards will be missed. I hope he gets his agenda to end poverty looked at. As Bill Clinton used to say “A rising tide carries all ships” or something like that.
Bottom line we can’t have 25 or 30 percent of the population in abject poverty when our economy is based on consumer spending. Just can’t be sustained. We need these folks to do better than they are doing so we can all enjoy the prosperity that comes with it.
one small postscript to LHP, I will not miss at all the smarmy smug white male panel a la Russert, Williams, Tweety and KO as shown on MSNBC. Visited intermittently, but now there’s no need to.
Imus, Karith and Tony are growin’ on me just fine.
In our state, we will have the option of voting for anyone on the ballot on Feb.5, including Kucinich, Edwards, Richardson, etc. If I don’t stick with Edwards, I will be voting for Obama.
You’re a hero in my book, Raven. Thanks again for your service to our country.
Ditto. I have enormous respect for someone who served our country in Vietnam, came back to get his PhD, and has progressive views and a sense of humor…
Yikes, ain’t no hero here folks . . .
I’m beyond disappointed. When he said he was sorry for his vote on te war, I’believed him. When he said he was in it until the convention, i believed him. I’m such a sucker.
I also think Edwards was taking more votes from Obama, than from Hillary.
As a Kucinich supporter, who moved to Edwards, I’ll be voting for Obama on Super Tuesday. Aside from my opinion that Hillary Clinton will just be more of the same, I also agree with whoever said, “If Hillary is nominated the Republicans will rally around a ham sandwich.”
I know a lot of Republicans and if any of them harbor thoughts of staying home in November, Hillary at the top of the Democratic ticket will send those thoughts sailing. They will show up at the polls in droves.
I just hope that John is dropping out for political reasons and not because of Elizabeth’s health.
Thank you, Mike. You express my feelings as well. I wish Edwards and his wife all the best. May their time together, shortened as it is by her cancer, be fruitful.
And may John Edwards continue to contribute to the country in future. I’d love to see him in charge of health care!
CyberKat@199; Thanks, and that’s a great line about the goopers rallying around a ham sandwich if we’re dumbshit enough to put up Hillary. :o)
Goddamn, C’mon, John and Al.:o) I can hardly wait for Obama to start tearing gobbets of political flesh from McCain’s uber-warpimp ass. :o)
Jane Upstairs on Mukasey torture hearing
Of Obama, I don’t have the slightest doubt that, if he wins it, we’ll have a president that will pay attention to the plight of poor and working class americans.
Black people have a tendency to be aware of those things.
Thanks for this, Mike. Obama’s now my guy, too.
…and, humility too. I rest my case.
What lhp said. I too will vote for Edwards if his name is still on the ballot. I never watched campaign coverage on TV, never listened to it on the radio, never read about it in the newspapers. That will not change. My interest in following the campaign here will likely be somewhat diminished.
I do wish both John and Elizabeth Edwards all the best and I sincerely hope that John will be able to find ways to continue to put forward his progressive views and ideas. His candidacy has been a rare breath of fresh air in this country.
I’m really afraid that we might wind up with the worst head-to-head matchup possible: Hillary versus McCain.
Edwards was the only Democrat to consistently beat McCain, the GOP’s strongest candidate, outside the MoE in Rasmussen polling, and he was — until he got pulled from most polls this month — consistently the strongest Democrat against any Republican in the CNN polling. Hillary, by contrast, does the worst in both Rasmussen and CNN polling — McCain currently beats her by eight points (48%-40%) whereas he now beats Obama by six (47%-41%) CNN’s polling is considerably more generous to the Democrats (I can’t find a link to recent national head-to-heads on their really messed-up site, or I’d post it), but Hillary is still the weakest of the three in national h-2-h matchups against Republicans, especially McCain.
Ironically enough, McCain’s got the antiwar moderates bamboozled: He’s very much pro-war with both Iraq AND Iran, yet they think he isn’t.
Hi folks….
Now what do I do?….
Yes, and as Ian Welsh pointed some time ago, (paraphrasing, here); It will be difficult to be gracious if the d’s lose because they ‘picked’ a weak, defeatable candidate. Especially when they had a candidate who consistently out-polled ALL of the r-thugs and had a greater likelihood of pressuring for actual ‘change’ in both supporting ’single-payer’ health care AND in the shamefully inhuman, ineguitable economic system crushing our nation and the world into money-bubbles and oil ‘markets’ for the insatiably greedy and ‘powerful’ corporate ‘class’ aka the Ruling Class.
Here are my predictions- and some speculation:
(Don’t worry Obama people- I’m nearly always wrong about these things… but if I’m right, try to be happy and hopeful.)
John will not endorse anyone- at least until AFTER next Tues- and possibly not even then.
Most of John’s support in the upcoming primaries- contrary to what many of you seem to believe- will likely go to Hillary, and she’ll triumph next Tuesday- with Barack coming in a close second in most states.
Ultimately, Hillary will get the nomination- based on delegates- and Barack will agree to be her VP.
It will then be revealed that John is going to take the reigns at the Justice Department as AG (an offer made by Hillary to John during their private backstage meeting after the Myrtle Beach debate?)
So- ultimately- we’ll get all three of them: the administrator, the visionary- and the fighter.
It’s a win-win-win scenario.
Visualize it. Accept it. We can CRUSH any Republican when this team starts working together.
And if all goes well- we can control the White House with these three for the next 24 years.
“let freedom reign!”
above should read “John is going to take the reins…”
but I hate it when people post an additional comment to correct an obvious error in their previous comment.
or when they ask the site admin/moderator to “please make the correction for me.”
as if it matters.
I’ve been supporting John Edwards, and have an Edwards bumper sticker on my car. I’m disappointed at his withdrawal– not at him, but at the MSM, who just can’t seem to get it right. They never did give him coverage on a par with Clinton and Obama.
Bob in HI
Regarding the permanent bases issue. I understand that Bush has already nixed the prohibition with a signing statement. So much for legislative attempts to stop Bush at that level. When the hell is Congress going to impeach them both. Thanks be to God for Vermont action to arrest P/VP for war crimes if they ever show up there. But how about doing it now.
Blessings FDLers.
I am really sad about this news. I’m with LHP, my interest in this primary has just evaporated. Even though I knew the possibilbity of JRE getting the nomination was slim to none, I liked that his ideas were shaping the democratic narrative; and that he was defying corporate and media pressure to disappear. I liked the scrappy bulldog nature of his campaign.
I have a sad feeling that Elizabeth’s health may play a big part in this unexpected decision.
I also have a sinking feeling that we are now looking at a McCain presidency.
This is heartbreaking. I just can’t get behind either Obama or Clinton right now. Yeah, I’ll vote for whomever gets the nomination but I won’t be very enthusiastic about it. In fact, I’m still voting for John on Tuesday. I know it won’t matter, but it’s something.
Although I’m a Hillary supporter, I have to say that I was very sad to hear the news about John Edwards today. He is a very honorable and caring man, and I thought he made excellent points during the debates. If he would have ended up winning the nomination and presidency, I know the country would have been in good hands.
I very much admire all of you John Edwards supporters. John and Elizabeth both have such beautiful and caring hearts, and their supporters do as well. I’m very sorry for the news today.