Enough!

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I will vote for the nominee of my party come next November.

I hope that neither Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama is so childish that they don’t realize that ultimately, one of them is going to need the enthusiastic support of the other.

Obama did snub Hill… Pretty petty if ya ask me…

Deborah Norville?!?!

What did Maury Povich think?

It’ll be years before we know everything that’s gone down between the Obama campaign and the Clinton campaign. He might be justified.

Just wrote a comment that got “Lost”. I agree with Whoopie. This whole scenario is beginning to look like a version of that new reality series “Sixth Grade Games!”

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I aint buying into this shitty meme. I am actually surprised that I would see fuel added to this media-driven fire by Jane.
It is a busy place, there is a lot of noise, there are people competing for your attention.
There are serious issues at stake here. From Iraq to bankruptcy to taxes to how to sell reform to a country that includes people who think Barack is a muslim and Hilary is a lesbian.
Lt’s get over this meme and not support it.
We need to talk about defeating Goopers and not whether our folks are misbehaving by some social standard set by NBC and MoDo.

I am sick and tired of the Republican attempts at scaring us to death and their past seemingly successful attempts at intimidation of my party. Do you hear me Nancy and Harry? I mean Nancy… you need to grow some ovaries. And Harry you need to grow some testicles. Is there a way I can make it plainer?

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I aint buying into this shitty meme. I am actually surprised that I would see fuel added to this media-driven fire by Jane.
It is a busy place, there is a lot of noise, there are people competing for your attention.
There are serious issues at stake here. From Iraq to bankruptcy to taxes to how to sell reform to a country that includes people who think Barack is a muslim and Hilary is a lesbian.
Lt’s get over this meme and not support it.
We need to talk about defeating Goopers and not whether our folks are misbehaving by some social standard set by NBC and MoDo.

Dear Obama, Get some class.
Junya pulls this kind of sh*t. You shouldn’t.

One more reason to admire Whoopi G.

sorry for the double post…then again. I feel pretty strongly about this.

Nah and Nah.

I graduated from High School during the last century. Many people can’t seem to make that break. You can decide who that includes HRC, BO, the MSM, all of the above, or none.

The media has nothing else to do. Obama should know that by now.

Whoopi! Right on!

Obama. Not so much.

It’s a freaking election and a campaign…..get over it Hilary and supporters

If he doesn’t shake your hand please don’t whine and cry….it only works once.

Obama’s narcisscism?

jane:

WHO CARES!

Hillary extended her hand to shake Kennedy’s hand, not Obama’s, as she seemed to be implying today. Obama turned his head because it was an awkward moment, given that Ted had endorsed him the same day.

It is hard to tell. (And ultimately who cares, on a scale of 1 to 10 this is 0 considering what Hillary and Bill both have done to Obama, whether distorting his record on Choice or distorting his record on the war or trying to change voting places in Nevada).
The Whoopie piece should not be up here. ON the the View both Whoopie and the woman beside her recently made it clear that they are Hillary supporters. So this is what they would say.

ooooh wait.
I think Drudge is going to post that Hilary actually waited until Ted and Barack were in the chamber so she could come through triumphant, like the President and they would have to pay attention to her.
She had a staffer in the hall signaling to her or was it calling on her cell ohone?
pass it on.

Tweety is about to address this….was it a snub or not???

God help us all with another four years of the adults acting like this…

More important…does Bushco snub America every single minute of every single day?

OK, who left the gate open?

Obama did snub Hill

I disagree….

Obama and Hillary just might figure out a way to hand the WH back to the Republicans next November,

I don’t care. This kind of s–t just distracts us. Let it go.

Agree.

You watching Tweety too? I mostly watch him and Twerpy Tucker for billables…just in case they say something really egregious… Tweety is addressing that now, as I type…

Yup.

Obviously our Demo candidates need a time out. Perhaps they need to be sent to the principals office too. Rove is loving it. I bet.

This is just sillyness. I’ll probably vote for Obama in the primary but will support whoever is nominated in the election. But can’t the Obama supporters lighten up on the anti Clinton bile a little? It almost turns me the other way.

Exactly!

No Obama will not need the Clintons, does not want the Clintons. The Clintons are not a value add, can deliver no state to Obama. Obama can carry my state of New York in the general with one or two visits. If New York NOW remains furious, so be it.

Obama on MSNBC: I think there’s a lot of tea-leaf reading… And why is Hillary implying that she was reaching out her hand to Obama in friendship? People should watch the g*dd*m video…

I don’t know what’s with the double posting, I only entered once.

I’m not sure a show where one of the hosts had to have the fact that the Earth is not flat is the place to bolster one’s indignation, either.

Deborah Norville and The View?!?! I wonder what’s going on over at Sadly, No!

It must have been her people who manufactured an Obama snub. Any way they can kick him they do. There are consequences to everyone’s actions. Even hers. She’s such a longsuffering martyr.

That is also a plausible interpretation, I have to say.

Oh this is penney ante. Just wait to see how McCain & Romney duke it out, if you think politics is not a blood sport. Here’s a recent example.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..013012.php

Fine, I’m of the same school that it really doesn’t matter, except in the eyes of the MSM… *g*

Oh get real. How many Democrats have you seen elected President?

I thought that another Senator (Stabenow?) said that Barack was turning in response to her voice, not turning away from Hillary. Can someone fact-check please, rather than just look at pictures that don’t show enough context?

(Mea culpa– I should fact-check, too, but I’m at work and shouldn’t take the time)

Bob in HI

A hard-refresh should relieve this.

Oh, and I forgot to add, if she’s the nominee, I’m voting third party.

BTW, Jane:

My longest day at the Lake… Wonder why. But it’s nothing personal…*g* What a day though…

I’m not sure a show where one of the hosts had to have the fact that the Earth is not flat explained to her is the place to bolster one’s indignation, either.

Fixed.

Tweety: “Do we see a snub and let’s not deny it”….Okaaaaaaaay…

I deny it.

I am shocked by the vitriol displayed by the Obama supporters. I am sick that they felt justified in Booing Bill Clinton at a rally in watching the South Carolina returns. Imagine the media explosion if the Clinton camp had booed Obama? It would have been over for Hillary. She and Bill have to constantly flatter Obama or they are labeled racist. Obama never says anything nice about them. He snubs Hillary at the SOTU speech and is given a pass by the media and then explains it away by lying. He is “troubling”. He is never magnanimous. His supporters seem too much like some of the Goppers who attack Hillary every chance they get. And Bill too. It is scary. And uncivilized. And unreasonable. It is antithetic to Democrats and belies Obama’s claim to be the one to bring us together. If this is any indication of bringing us together, then we are in for big trouble. I hate hypocrisy. And Obama and his groupies are acting like the Republicans that bash Hillary and Bill every chance they get.

I really don’t need the pundits to tell me how to think. I read the blogs, the MSM and in between to help me form my opinions. Oh, I do look at Olbermann. He’s in a class by himself. But Matthews and the like? Good grief.

Ok, Jane:

Have I told you lately how I really loves me your (open) mind?

Sorry about your candidate, Biodun. Honestly.

I like Obama.

In my lifetime, four democratic Presidents. And I actually worked in the McGovern campaign with Bill Clinton. But it is really time to stop considering anti Clinton statements as “bashing” etc. The Clintons are a disaster past present and future.

Anybody think America snubbed Ghouliani?

Fine, I’m of the same school that it really doesn’t matter, except in the eyes of the MSM… *g*

Yeah, but ask John Edwards about the “MSM”…
Like it or not (and I personally don’t), they matter.

Re, Jane: You are absolutely right, Biodun. And, it is great to have a place to go were all views can be heard, even if occasionally with snark.

Heh, Most certainly… and not a moment too soon…! ;-)

On the Republican side we have below acceptability. On the Democratic side (temporarily my side) we have mediocrity: HRC and Obama). You decide.

Tweety: Did Obama snub all women….

Grow-up!!!

I’m snubbing this thread.

Biodun- ygm- FB email from me.

Well actually in his case, quite a bit too much light was brought on his mess of a past life. If Edwards had had half that light it would have been a different matter.

They’d already been in the Senate on the same floor in the afternoon!

Why is everybody acting as if this was the first time they had a chance to meet? Or she had a chance to shake hands with him?

nicely done, Jane.
I too admire you openness.

Couldn’t agree more! The MSM did snub Edwards…

I am frequently only as smart as the last person I talked to.

;)

I think that is a rousing affirmaton!

The perceived offense should be taken with a grain of salt. I’m a white heterosexual male whom voted for Edwards yesterday, b/c he had the best platform – I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it may be.

At this point my plan is to snub Hillary in the primary.

Hmmmm. I beg to differ. :-)

Who’s the white haired guy? Teddy? She might be extending her hand to him, no? BO does have an ugly face on. Is all this about bringing people together just horseshit if he can’t even deal with leaders in his own party (which he ’snot). I think it’s inconclusive but didn’t look good.

I am soo bummed about John Edwards.

I’m a big boy. I’ll get over it.

I know you mean that. I’ve made up my mind thatI will caucus for him on tsunami Tuesday… Obama might carry the state anyway. The Twin Cities is the bluest in the state, and both critters in MN-05 (Minneapolis) and MN-04 (St. Paul) are Obama supporters…

And my 17-year-old son will be voting in general for the first time. He supports Obama, who like him, is a product of African and Midwest white heritage…. We’ve had interesting discussions about why I’m supporting Edwards. My own family in general belies identity politics.

I’m not sure a show where one of the hosts had to have the fact that the Earth is not flat explained to her is the place to bolster one’s indignation, either.

That’s a new and interesting argument – Whoopi Goldberg is not credible in her opinions because Sherri Shepherd believes in a flat earth.

OT – sorry if this has been posted already; I spent the day in meetings or at Marcy’s reading the Mukasey live-blogging (thanks Marcy) but;

YAY – Tom Davis is retiring. Henry is doing the snoopy dance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ews”>

I am really tired of all of this petty bickering. I hope the level of discussion is raised on the campaign trail moving forward. Since Edwards is out, I am throwing my support to Barack. I believe him to be a change agent. HRC will bring more of this petty bickering amplified exponentially by the Rabid Right Wing Nuts who will rally against her.

I snub my nose in Bushco’s general direction!!!

Perhaps more newsworthy are Bush’s multiple snubs of the Constitution. He performed several juicy ones this week.

The MSM seems to admire the model of the mythical Edwardian English public aesthetes who achieved with the effortless superiority of gods, unlike the middle class swots who had to work for their achievements. I would have thought the results from First World War would have made a sufficient mockery of the idea of the cult of the amateur.

The MSM doesn’t seem to mind when GOP Congress Critters fall all over themselves at lobbyist-only events, competing to see who can give them more influence over writing legislation or making rules. It doesn’t seem to mind football players who beat the hell out of each other every Sunday afternoon, but party together at the same hangouts every Friday night.

They don’t comment on Cheney, having acquired the power of the president, when he smashes opponents like driftwood because they dare contradict his will. Nope, competition’s bad only when we see it, and only when playing it up diverts attention from something important, like the MSM not doing its job.

Maybe Hillary can use the alledged “snub” to whip up some sympathy. Why not stay with a proven tactic. Besides, its better to focus on the petty s**t than to be talking about the economy or the war in Iraq.

What I’d really like to see is the GOP snubbed next November.

I am frequently only as smart as the last person I talked to.

;)

I hope I don’t detect a note of seriousness behind the smiley. If so, come off it! Your political mind is as sharp as I’ve ever seen…

OT, you know another reason the FISA business frightens me is that if Verizon etc are allowed to do it, they can in turn sell this back to anyone they want and put out there how much time each of us is spending here (or wherever) NOT doing other things. Talk about a Big Brother impact!!!!

Obama and Hillary remain in the sandbox apparently.

Then surely you noticed that Humphrey lost to the wonderful Nixon in 1968 because of the split in the Democratic Party. Likewise, it didn’t help Carter in 1980, and gave us the wonderful Ronald Reagan, that Kennedy supporters never enthusiastically supported Carter. Finally, I know you won’t agree, but it’s just possible that Nader didn’t help Gore in 2000, and we have our present genious.

Did you feel as confindent about about McGovern as you do about Obama?

What I would like to see is a wide angle video of the whole event before I could say..snub or no snub….. Did someone speak to Obama at that moment just off camera? Anyone can cook up something with narrow and selective shots.

The drama creates rating and that is what the networks want. Edwards talked about issues, kept everyone on those issues and focused on Americans.

BTW did anyone catch that Edwards says he has suspended his campaign, not closing it down?

Not sure I can take several more months of this idiocy.

Quck Google search:

Hillary Snubs Gold Star Mothers
Hillary Snubs French Socialist Royal
Hillary Snubs Vogue
Hillary snubs Obama
Hillary Snubs Sikhs in California
Hillary snubs Seattle bands with music picks
Hillary snubs Jeb
Hillary Snubs Christian Group
Hillary snubs New York to buy home in Washington
etc.

Whole lotta snubin’ goin’ on.

You know what this proves right?

‘Merica hates ‘Merica [/s]

Who is this drunk guy on *ucker???? He’s drunk!!!

Sweet. Your family is a great model! Here, our 17 year old bought us a X-days left of Bush key chain for our anniversary.

Permit me to say I’d just love to kick some Democratic political ass right about now. Come on HRC and Obama. Get your acts together. You naughty little children, you.

As you are, I’m leaning more toward Obama. I’m worried, but that’s my feeling on it. I think progressives can better channel our principles through Obama. I care not one whither the color of his skin. He could be encouraged to do the left thing.

And my 17-year-old son will be voting in general for the first time. He supports Obama, who like him, is a product of African and Midwest white heritage….

He certainly seems to have excellent genes to work with… *g*

Yeah right. Then you must talk to smart people all the time…I mean like 24/7. Maybe I should adopt the same strategy. All I know is that I’ve become smarter since I’ve been coming to FDL. And I thought I was done with grad school (what is known as higher education) some twenty years ago.

BTW, that twerp Tucker is on now. He has A.B. Stoddard on all the time. Though I must admit she makes sense a lot of the time.

Dick Armey….

Somewhere in DC, there must be a moving company that is giving a group discount to the GOP Caucus. “For every 25 of you that decide to leave town, we’ll give you 5% off your move — but you’ve got to decide soon, and not wait until November.”

I was over at another progressive blog and they had pictures posted from a different angle. Here is the link and the post is titled, Why Still Photos Suck

I concede that when you look at it from the above angle, it does look like a snub, but from this other angle, it’s a harder argument for me to accept.

This is waaay too exciting for me. I think I’ll fix supper.

I have always had bad gut feeling about Obama from day one! He has just proved my gut feeling right. I don’t know whether I can vote for him… I guess if he gets the nomination I will just have to hold my breath and vote for a Democrat as I could never ever vote for a thieving rethuglian!

hattip to Dave J at Eschaton:

OMG, you guys. Did you hear that Barry TOTALLY did not look at Hills when she was at the SOTU. And she was like, um, hello? And he was all, uh, wtf? And like Ted was there and was all trying to talk to her and he walked away. You guys? Totes made me cry. She is SO great, you guys. And I don’t know why he acts like she’s such a bitch. And he was all “u suk!” on his Facebook, and then I tried to text him and I was all “OMG, Barry, WTF?” And he’s like, hello? So sad, you guys.
Dave J.

TPM: Charlie Rangel’s wife is supporting Obama. There are going to be some interesting family dinners around the country.

This is exactly why I’m pretty sure I’m not going to vote in the primary. I don’t have a favorite in the race anymore. I’m not particularly happy with either candidate. Someone else can make this decision and I’ll just go to the polls in Nov. and hold my nose. Let the Rethugs think there are less Dems than there really are, as far as I’m concerned.

where is the link?

http://seanbraisted.blogspot.com/

sorry forgot to link

I talk to Digby a lot. Smoke & mirrors.

But Charlie Gibson said that Obama stared ‘icily’ at Clinton.

Clinton said she offered her hand….tsk…tsk….

Nice to see this has been reduced to 8th grade antics.

On a day when the US Atthorney General admits the Nuremburg Defense is good enough for him.

What a rotten state of our union.

-G

This is just sillyness. [snip]

Yes, you (and lots of others posting here) are right on about that. But in another way it’s not so silly. Part of the news as entertainment, bread and circuses to distract the plebes, and the general lack of focus on what really matters in politics that cheapens public discussion and keeps us from seeing what’s really going on and what really matters.

His face is red for one. Bad sign on all counts…

I am still going to vote for Edwards. He still will go into the convention with delegates and if neither Obama or Clinton have won a majority then he still can use his delegates to advance his agenda. Edwards said he suspended his campaign, he did not shut it down.

What I would like to see is a wide angle video of the whole event before I could say..snub or no snub….. Did someone speak to Obama at that moment just off camera? Anyone can cook up something with narrow and selective shots.

The drama creates rating and that is what the networks want. Edwards talked about issues, kept everyone on those issues and focused on Americans.

BTW did anyone catch that Edwards says he has suspended his campaign, not closing it down?

Yes on all counts! I heard that someone did speak to Obama and that’s why he turned. But I haven’t been able to find confirmation of that yet.

Bob in HI

The Ghoul on live about to endorse McCain… on MSNBC.

Hillary doesn’t heart Obama? Please.

The evidence that George and Dick haven’t learned to share and don’t play well with others is somewhat starker – and more vital to the Republic – than that supporting the claim of friction between the top two, trend-setting candidates competing to become the Democratic nominee for president. Keep your eye on the ball or watch it go through your own goal.

Ding, Dong the…….See ya Rudy!!! Cheers!!! Another one bites the dust…

What a moron…He went on the longest and probably most expensive fool’s errant in contemporary American politics…

Me too, on the gut feeling. And I have leaned over the years to trust my gut when the feeling is negative (but not to trust a postive one). So I’m worried. Have you been able to articulate why he gives you a bad feeling? I haven’t put my sentences around it yet, even after reading his hope book.

I want to see Oliver Stone’s dissection of this. Maybe some more diagrams, charts, etc.

My take: unforced error on Obama’s part.

In many places, there are other things on the ballot than just the presidential primary. Lots of down-ticket progressives need support, and various ballot measures, bond issues, and other such things need to be dealt with as well.

Just a little reminder to discouraged supporters of former candidates — and everyone else.

…fool’s errand… No errant knave he, like Hamlet.

I’m snubbing this thread.

I am sorely tempted to join you CTBob, but Obama supporters need to stick around and kill this meme. Hillary did not reach Obama in time to extend her hand to him. Obama issued a statement immediately after the Hillary clip you post above, directly refuting her accusation. One of his supporters in the Senate, Sen. Claire McCaskill (out of view in the stills) asked him a question at the same time Hillary was leaning in to shake Kennedy’s hand, and Obama turned to answer McCaskill’s question.

I can’t believe this shit is being peddled on FDL of all places. At least run Obama’s statement if you’re gonna run Hillary’s crap.

Very good advice, bro.

Newsflash –

Nobody’s perfect.

It is not my intentions to upset anybody with this information.

Deborah Norville?!?!

Hey, what’s wrong with Debbie? She still looks like a million bucks.

Yeah, I know you’re right, but I’d rather talk about McCain giving Romney a wedgie during the last debate.

Hence my hesitation to ever trust still photos to convey the actual story.

They say there are always three sides to a story: his side, her side and then the truth

Claire McCaskill said that she asked Obama a question as the moment happened and he turned to her.

But I hear that Claire likes Barry and thinks Hillary is a dork so I wouldn’t believe her.

-G

Yes indeed. Michael Eric Dyson supports Obama. His wife Marcia supports Hillary.

Rachel was just saying on AA that that was probably the most expensive campaign to pick up one delegate in history…! Bwahahaha

Uh yea.

Seems quite clear that Obama turned before before Hillary came around. How in the hell was he even supposed to know she was going to reacch out then!?! Plus, there’s someone between Obama and Hillary and seems very plausible that he didn’t see her moving in their direction either. McCaskill said she was surprised by all this the next day since she was talking to Obama at the time.

Jeezus…can’t believe I just spent 5 minutes watching and typing about this. 5 Minutes I’ll never have back.

And how come you didn’t mention Hillary and Chris Shays tonguing right before this happened? Huh!?!

A “feel good” story. Limbaugh is saying the Republicans are a fractured party. http://www.latestpolitics.com/…..tured.html

Obama was here in Kansas City yesterday with Sen. Claire McCaskill and she said she had asked him a question and he turned around to answer her. So she and Obama both said that it was not a snub. So I choose to believe the participants rather than speculation and camera angles.

Rudy: I’ll campaign with John as much as he wants…unless I’m in trouble at some point….WTF????

Limpy’s finally recognizing the real Bush legacy.

Check the link posted by wobblybits. In a photo from another angle, Obama appears to be turning to talk to Claire McCaskill. I’d probably furrow my brow talking to her, too, given how often she has been caving in to the Republicans.

Yeah, I know you’re right, but I’d rather talk about McCain giving Romney a wedgie during the last debate.

Now that WOULD be fun : -)

Biodun I like the way you think. From what you write I can seethat color nor religion means nothing to you.. It is what you see in someones heart and actions that draws you to people like Edwards.. Race or nothing else means anything but what is in someone’s heart of hearts is what counts… Best to you Biodun I hope your son learns that from you…

Patriarchy is alive and well.

Today Obama called her a Divisive Figure , right out of the Repus playbook

Nothing new with the way he plays politics, it’s still a boys game.

You guys er…women definitely cross-fertilize then, well, I mean in the realm of ideas, like dear Plato said and definitely not like Socrates…*g*

logrolling bathos between the Ghoul and McCain on MSNBC…

Nah – he’s just jumping off the bus before it’s too late.

Hmmmm….I’m thinking the Pukes’ tactics are going to make an almost seamless difference between the Dems and the Pukes with a sprinkling of better on protecting you from the terrorists that are hell bent on killing you every second of every day….

Too many of them…Hannity too….are positioning themselves to win by a hair.

In typical fashion, Hillary tries to score points with a made-up issue in her soundbite, all with a big plastic smile on her face. Her snide, “I reached out…hope to shake his hand someday…” Please don’t fall for this nonsense.

And yes, I do not like her or her husband, and that’s based on their policies first and foremost, and on this smarmy campaigning they have always done. There is nothing new happening here.

LOL – and HIS legacy too. It will be interesting to see how many listeners he will be getting in the years ahead. Oops, I forgot the Republicans essentially own all the radio stations. Update: Forgot to note that Bain Investments (Romney’s machine) owns Clear Channel etc. – could that be the reason for Limbaugh’s pressing Romney’s flesh on the air. Hmmm

Dems need to thoroughly lay out the differences between the parties…or we’ll get more of the same.

This link to TPM might explain the real reason why Hillary was so desperate this morning: newest national Gallup poll shows her lead over Obama has dropped by ten points since last week, she is now only 6% ahead of him.

Petulance is unbecoming.

Oh Norske, where are you when we need you? I’m sure you could cut through all this like a sharp knife. Were my mind and wit so clear…

Did I just watch “The View”?

Here’s the link:

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/…..points.php

I just can’t put my finger on it… but what i saw at the SOTU sure did look like a snub and his statement that he is not sure his supporters would support Hillary if he loses… whats up with that?? I just don’t trust him and if he does become president he will have earn my trust… and it will take a lot!!

It appears to me that Obama’s attention was diverted by Claire McCaskill, standing behind him. It looked like she had asked him a question or was making a statement. *just trying to be on the positive side*

Just wonderin’. Did Cheney shake Leahy’s hand?

come on bonkers you did watch the same clip as me didn’t you?? A snub if ever there was one!

Repeat often:

Rush Limbaugh says a McCain victory will destroy the Republican Party.

-G

The Obama comment was in part taken out of context. As discussed here earlier, the point is that Obama has a huge lead among independents and moderate Republicans. It is they who may not vote for Hillary if she is in the race. He was not saying that his Dem supporters would snub Hillary.

a made-up issue in her soundbite

I totally agree. I can’t believe FDL is trying to create a “Dean Scream” out of this fake BS. Obama is far more progressive than Clinton. I was backing Edwards up until 1:30 today, if I see more of this BS meme on the so-called progressive blogs I will be giving all of my money to Obama.

Newsflash: John Bolton thinks Cheney’s power as vice president is a “positive development”. (h/t ThinkProgress)

No surprise that a diplomat who hates diplomacy would praise a vice president who so hates the Constitution and rule of law that he’s turned his president into a political eunuch, and hides his conduct in a safe cavernous enough for Tweety’s ego.

Last year at the SOTU it looked like W grabbed Pelosi’s boob!!! It’s on youtube.

It seems I should have read all of the comments before I made my observation. Sorry to be redundant guys.

Now that’s the kind of thing I like to talk about.

Jeez! That just makes my day–Thanks! I do have examples I learn from. Jane and Christy for ones. These are white women who, from all evidence, have thought a lot about the ramification of race and racism in this country. Interesting too, given the part of the country at least one comes from. I hope in my son’s lifetime we can achieve traces of a post-racial society in America. This country is most certainly in the forefront (in the whole wide world) of engaging racism.

I’ve been to a lot of countries, and my eyes have been wide open.

It is hard to fathom the Republican right’s disdain or McCain (is it principally McCain-Feingold, or taxes or what?).

This photo ran on CNN over twelve hours ago. There’s McCaskill, big as life in the white suit to the right, with Obama facing HER as Clinton is shaking Kennedy’s hand:

http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..b-clinton/

Bush’s boob grab:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-pr6hws4Kc

I won’t argue with that point.. I have said that I couldn’t support Hillary just because every rethuglian will be voting from the hatred in their heart because her last name is Clinton….

A friendly suggestion, and this is my fall back as well, is to focus on the Blue America, both with my time and money.

http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica08

This is the place where we can major impact right now. We’re not quite there with Presidential politics YET, but if we keep getting More and Better, we’ll get there.

OK, this is getting to me. Just suppose that he really did deliberately snub her (I don’t think so myself, but just suppose). Well then, SO WHAT! This is a closely contested primary battle. What counts is not how nice the candidates can pretend to be toward each other but what they are likely to do if nominated/elected (and of course that they not splinter the party in the process, but that is hardly in question here). The fact that we firepups can waste so much time and energy on figuring out his attitude toward her at that particular moment is a bit disheartening, whichever one you support (or don’t). Lets focus on what counts, folks!

Bookmarked!

So, following the nomination, are about a third of the FDL commentators going to drop out, become trolls, or what?

It does have to do with his unwillingness to be a lockstep shitheel. They love people who follow orders.

Hence today we witnessed AG Mukasey invoking the Nuremburg defense.

Thems the orders.

-G

Breaking News:

Bill Clinton claims he’s not surprised by Obama’s conduct because Jesse Jacksnon snubbed Hillary too.

*OK, I made that up.

Watch the bottom one from ABC. There’s a sequence of photos. Obama has clearly turned before Hillary makes a move toward them. He never even saw her reach out.

How is that “clearly a snub?”

I will probaby vote for her, but I will first put three clothes pins on my nose to make it clear to myself if no on else that this is not what I want to be doing.:-P

I second the motion.

Got me! LOL (and I agree).

Thanks. That’s a good one, and I hadn’t seen it before.

This country is most certainly in the forefront (in the whole wide world) of engaging racism.

I’ve been to a lot of countries, and my eyes have been wide open.

Engaging in rascism…? I’ve seen some horrid treatment of ‘other’ ethnicities in Europe and Asia…

We have learned the lessons of life that teach that the only way to really know some one is to see what i=s truly in their heart… not what is on the outside… I grew up in Boston and racism was rampart… but I learned that was stupid because then you miss so many wonderful people in life… I like meeting and befriending people who are nice people… I only hope my kids will stick to what I taught them… so far they have… I have not seen any racism on their parts (6 of them)

During yesterday’s FISA vote, when all the Senators were in the well chatting, Obama meandered over to Hillary, and she left the well abruptly. No eye contact was made, but that’s what I saw.

Did anyone else notice?

Since Edwards’s campaign is only “suspended”…won’t he still be eligible if there is a brokered convention…or are we past that possibility??

Valley Girl:

Check inbox on Facebook…

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Is this really FDL?

Enough.

ahem… “engaging racism”

I meant engaging racism, not practicing it…dealing with it, trying to resolve it. And yes, your experience in those parts of the world makes my point…

I can’t spell for crap either.

Yes, let’s focus on more important things…

…like getting some money to CTBob and friends so they can make a float of Chris Shays and Shrub smooching.

http://www.greenwichtime.com/n…..3218.story

Go Jim Himes and Maura!!!

OT…Rut..Roh….

Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services is considering slashing its rating on more than $500 billion of investments tied to bad mortgage loans, the ratings agency said Wednesday.
The massive downgrade would threaten a broad swath of the world’s finance industry, S&P said, ranging from Wall Street’s trading desks to regional banks to local credit unions.

link

Um … America is in the forefront of engaging racism ?!! Really ?!!

It seems to be at the forefront of promoting racism, casteism and every other divisive tool at its disposal to dominate the world.

Come up to Canada, even Vancouver or Toronto and you’ll see a people who are at the forefront of eliminating racism.

Thanks..you beat me to it…

Damnit! This place is supposed to be wonkier than this, and if it varies or strays from that mission, I get irritated.
I want my money back!

That’s what I’d thought, but, I wasn’t sure… *g*

Here is the link again to another set of photos from a different angle. I’m not defending anyone, I’m just providing another perspective.
http://seanbraisted.blogspot.com/ under the title, Why Still Photos Suck

Egads….I thought something might be up since the market closed down even though they got a full 1/2 percent cut…

Sheets gonna heet da fan…

Greenspan:such a goof!

So, following the nomination, are about a third of the FDL commentators going to drop out, become trolls, or what?

That’s a very important question, and a lot depends on how FDL and other progressive blogs handle this choice. If the blogs turn themselves echo chambers to put Obama into a “Howard Dean Scream” box, there will be payback. On the other hand, if the blogs do their usual outside-the-box reporting (instead of mimicking MSM), let the primary votes fall where they may, they can strengthen us in the general against the GOP. Or, like bonkers says @166, we can just support congressional candidates through ActBlue.

There is an even funnier clip in that series ‘boob grab goes bad’.

Idiot gets smacked down after being a cad.

-G

Hey dood, thanks for the laughs … I think I’m getting carried away by all the BS as well …

Alright, smarty-pants, wait till ya see MarleyFest here in the Isles… *g*

i couldnt believe it when I saw Shay actually kissing the bastard.

If I don’t get a Publisher’s deal done, I can’t come :-( … working hard on it though …

I don’t give a fart about any alleged snub. All kinds of things happen in the socio-political context of a State of the Union speech or even on any street corner. We all do things like that, moment to moment.

This isn’t even an issue, and I wish FDL had kept its collective mouth shut about it.

My sense is that there will be alot of work being done getting other blue candidates elected. Who ever is president unless we find a way around theSenate Lieberlier stalmate we ain’t going no where with a progressive agenda.

The photo showing Obama facing McCaskill has been up on CNN all day, but FDL chose to ignore it and instead just post the MSM BS. I’m not happy.

Bonkers @171 is right. If you look at the 4 photos there is no snub by Obama. She reached for Sen. Kennedy’s hand not Obama’s. Should we assume that everyone standing near Ted snubbed her.

I wish FDL had kept its collective mouth shut about it.

I totally agree. How could we have known our FDL would stoop to this?

fooooogazi teh snub Rebuilding America’s Defenses :)

My personal manifesto is an Open Source Public Coup of Multi-National Unilateralism.

I call on individuals from around the world to stand up for their rights, unify and claim the health and happiness every individual deserves. For the world and for the world’s children and all the organism that make us thrive.

Getting a progressive majority in Congress is essential. In addition to ActBlue and Blue State Project, we could also support Sen. Russ Feingold’s Progressive Patriots Fund and Democracy for America. So, we won’t be dropping out no matter what happens with the Prez nomination.

Well, the thread seems to indicate that FDL mostly smacked the MSM’s story down.

153

In response to bonkers @ 142

come on bonkers you did watch the same clip as me didn’t you?? A snub if ever there was one!

Um, can I remind you about the Rashomon Effect?

Bob in HI

The only thing that surprised me about this topic (The Snub) was, usually Obama is great at counterpunching, but he did not do so.

Besides saying that he had turned to speak to another Senator, the real issue was Hillary applauding Bush’s lie that we’re winning in Iraq.

Then again, perhaps he thought it better not to bring up that hot potato.

When is this forking primary over? Because if today at the lake is any indication – now that it is down to two – things could get ugly.

hmmmm.. we should all be so gracious….

Divide the Dems and let the Repug win … it’s like 2000 all over again …

Fractal – Check up to Jane’s post above: She essentially says she @ 41 that she sees there are differnt points of view, she is clearly open minded. Lets give it a rest :-)

Yup!

That is my opinion as well.

The only thing that troubles me why did Russ vote for Roberts?

Yes. And her speedy clapping rise from her seat on the surge. THis hand shake thing is a shiny object, distracting from the real issue!

Question, perhaps for another time … If Guiliani campaigns for McCain, does Romney benefit ?

B.I.N.G.O

” Obama is far more progressive than Clinton. “

I would like to believe that you’re right, but what evidence do you have for this? Progressive Punch rates Clinton more progressive than Obama. In fact, Obama scores right down there with Joe Lieberman.

Take care to compare their legislative record.

Bob in HI

Yeah, I would have snubbed Clinton two if Bill was out there comparing me to a leprachaun or some other bullshit as well. They are both a bunch of losers that just want to be president.

This election is going to go from root to fruit without a single discussion of policy (but for how high the wall should be).

The real snub is the media assasination of Edwards and any talk about policy.

The Pukes are freaking out that their party is going “liberal”…

Bwahahahahahhaaaa!!!!

Saying biodun’s opposite conclusion was “plausible” doesn’t undo the damage of echoing the MSM falsehood, which was immediately refuted by Obama, as I posted @163, in a CNN story that has been up on the web for twelve hours. So, for example, we have Petrocelli posting @210 that Obama did not counter-punch when he in fact immediately refuted Clinton’s falsehood.

Maybe Sen. Obama did snub the Senator who is the wife of a former President.

However I hear Sen. Obama treats working class waitresses who are single mothers much better than the Junior Senator from New York.

I hear he even leaves tips.

-G

How could we have known our FDL would stoop to this?

I strongly disagree with that characterization… It is a highly charged item that should be addressed either way, irregardless… I certainly don’t think it is a matter of stooping, but, confronting it head on…

I first saw the video late on MSNBC. They stated the freelance (repected)photographer caught that photo, so I assume it wasn’t planted. To all Obama fans and Hillary fans — chill out — Maybe Obama needs to learn how to “play” polictics better and not succumb to his real and inner emotions (not wanting to recognize his “enemy” in this fight for the White House.) I’m sure, as he gets more experience, he will — So goes the pure and idealistic politician. Whatever, the important thing is for Democratics to win the Presidency and a super majority in the House and Senate this November 2008 and then hope they are true to their campaign convictions to the American people.

Take care to compare their legislative record.

Thanks, Bob in HI, that’s exactly what we should be using FDL for, instead of this echo-chamber crap.

I recognize that my conclusion that Obama is more progressive would be tough to defend solely based on his Senate votes, because he had a much shorter Senate tenure than Clinton. I will check out your link to Progressive Punch.

I tried to vote Petrocelli off the island, but i was overruled. :-)
Everybody lighten up.

Why didn’t he bother to turn if what you say is true it would have been the polite thing to do??… I still don’t like him not because of that but what my gut feel Was long before that incident. I sill can’t put a finger on it but usually my gut feel is pretty accurate!

It was certainly not a snub.

I do find it a bit out of character for Jane to be talking about this, when she usually shies away from this type of media garbage. “OMG, Al Gore is wearing earth tones!”

Also, if we are going to talk about it, we should at least reference the several news reports from the past year that referenced Hillary’s snubs of Obama on the Senate floor and in a recent debate.

And here I’m trying to get him on the Isle… 8-P

I could care less what he says… he is no good for this state and he is another that my gut feel is negative of!

Take off, eh !!! *g*

We aim sometimes for lighter moments, especially after this kinda day. We need to decompress. Frankly at this point I won’t mind a post on varieties of popcorn…*g*

For god sakes Rove was out spreading rumors of McCain fathering illegitamte kids in SC…now we have the hardball of the handshake. How long until Bill Clinton makes a high-five joke. Damn Clinton.

To hell with them all R’s and D’s alike.

Talk up a big game about there differences – they are the same. Some folks are going to root for the Yankee’s and wear there rose colored glasses from here on out, some folks are going to root for the White Sox and where their rose colored glasses through.

I tuned out yesterday and watched SICKO – and it was the best thing I ever did to ignore this non-sense. Tears falling in this country are going to rust the feet of lady Liberty. These pukes up on the stage are taking money hand over fist and we have a little baby girl dying of a fever denied care, people with cancer and other problems that have insurance and still go bankrupt, 50 year old guys who can’t speak their entire lives over a small operation, people picking which finger they can afford to have re-attached. Damn Obama.

Its nonsense.

I sure hope there’s a Publisher visualizing himself attracting the next Bestseller … *g*

That ranking at Progressive Punch is at:

http://progressivepunch.yvod.c…..t_congress

I don’t think I buy it, they say Obama is just one tiny fraction more progressive that Lieberman, and that Schumer is more progressive than Hillary. Doesn’t add up for me. I’ll check it further.

Maybe Sen. Obama did snub the Senator who is the wife of a former President.

However I hear Sen. Obama treats working class waitresses who are single mothers much better than the Junior Senator from New York.

I hear he even leaves tips.

-G

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Clinton aides left a 100% tip or something like that.

I don’t see any there there.
Neither candidate consistantly measures up to my measure of class act.
I will refrain from any more damaging comments about either candidates.
Just not productive.
My take is that Faux is trying to start shit.

Fox News assholes laughing at the Leno joke about Pelosis “botox facial exercises”. Rude brainless bunch of losers talking about a back-stabbing loser, but again nothing to do with….ANYTHING.

not a video.
it’s stills.
this is ‘bsurd.

I am just playing the lame gotcha game.

-G

… or herself …

… genuflecting myriad times … *g*

The other point that needs to be addressed is that Hillary told a blatant lie about the so-called “snub” on Fox News. She stated that she offered her hand to Obama, which just simply isn’t true when looking at the evidence. Why isn’t Jane calling her on it?

Yup!

Have you tried Regnery…? *ducking*

Going upstairs to talk about grassroots fundraising tactics.

Bob we have the ability to see the event over and over thanks to youtube :>)
Just think how different if Barack did the polite thing and turned and greeted her… all this would be moot… I don’t support either one as my first choice… but will vote for either one come November if they are our candidate! I am still going to vote for Edwards on Feb 5th even though he dr5opped out… he may still get enough delegates to have some sway at the convention!

RE: video, the senate is the most collegial place in the world. Hasn’t the MSM heard that Cheney’s Go F** yourself put an end to collegiality, and if didn’t, there was that midnight little addition to the patriot act…

BTW, in the other chamber, and speaking of additins if Edward Teller is here, wasn’t there some legislation to undo Young’s little Florida-Alaska road insertion to the already passed bill?

And has anyone decided if that was unethical…

I am sure I know the answer to the last one, but I am a hopeful type.

Letter from John Edwards in my inbox:

Dear Friend,

Let me start by saying, “Thank you.” You have stood with Elizabeth and me throughout this campaign. Your support has sustained us as we have traveled across this country.

Earlier today, I suspended my campaign for the Democratic nomination for the presidency. I made this announcement from where our journey began just over 12 months ago: New Orleans.

I began my presidential campaign in New Orleans to remind the country that all of us — as citizens and as a government — have a moral responsibility to each other, and what we do together matters.

Now, it’s time for me to step aside so that history can blaze its path. We do not know who will take the final steps to the White House — but what we do know is that our Democratic Party will make history.

And, along the way, all of you who have been involved in this campaign and this movement for change and this cause, I am asking you to continue speaking out for those who have no voice, just as Elizabeth and I will continue to do. We need you.

Do not turn away from the great struggles before us. Do not give up on the causes that we have fought for. Do not walk away from what’s possible, because it’s time for all of us — all of us together — to make the two Americas one. We need you.

I hope you will take a few moments to listen to the video clip of my speech in New Orleans earlier this afternoon or to read it below.

In the meantime, Elizabeth and my family join me in thanking all of you for your support and for working so hard on my behalf. We are truly blessed to have such friends.

Thank you.

John Edwards
January 30, 2008

At this point, I don’t think I want to know. Something that my mother has always told me and it has become my mantra (well one of them)

You don’t need to tell anyone anything about your character, your actions say it all. In other words….Your actions do not tally with what you say.

I hope that this is something that both will keep in mind going forward.

Excellent point. distracting us too, especially on a day when the AG has again dragged the constitution and rule of law through the muck. Onward and upward, thread wise.

Jane, can’t believe you are going down this MSM road. Are you vying for a spot with Chris Matthews or The View. And why don’t we include comments from those involved?

Even worse, if you can lip read, you can see that Obama is muttering “Poopiehead”.

Look at what Lincoln Chafee says about Hillary in his book

That includes New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, whom Chafee says put her presidential ambitions above standing up to Mr. Bush and the rush to war in Iraq.

“I find it surprising now, in 2008, how many Democrats are running for president after shirking their constitutional duty to check and balance this president,” writes Chafee…

“They argue that the president duped them into war, but getting duped does not exactly recommend their leadership. Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment.”

http://www.dailykos.com/

Hmmmmm…it’s interesting that the next post, “promoting a grassroots candidate who takes progressive stands on immigration and the enfranchisement of migrant workers”, has a total of 14 comments in 40 minutes.

LeftDCin32@36: With you.

If, by some act of political insanity on our part, Hillary Clinton wins the democratic nomination, she is going to need Barack Obama’s support one HELL of a lot more than he will need hers.

There is no comparison of their electability. None.

If we pick Obama, the last chance for a gooper victory goes down the tube. It’s simple; the only politician in this election who can deliver a republican win is a democrat named Clinton.

BTW; for all those people worried about Obama’s supposed snub of her, just remember, when george bush was slathering on the bullshit about how well the surge was doing, Obama DAMN sure snubbed HIM, and no argument about it. :o)

Which is more than Hillary can say.

Isn’t it!! I went out to do some “chores”, and I came back and saw that. This is one of the funniest threads I’ve seen here actually.

I noticed that, but the MSM missed it.

Now…from one who supported NONE of the three top-running Democratic candidates and has no particular stake in dragging either Hilary or Obama down right now (I got out of my Schadenfreude-mood weeks back…while apparently it’s running strong today on FDL).

A snub? That’s really reaching.

For one thing Hillary likely only saw the back of Senator Obama. She was reaching over to reach the hand of Senator Kennedy, not Obama. She was largely shielded from even seeing Obama’s back by the woman standing behind her (Klubochar?) on Kennedy’s tier. Obama had already turned to speak to McCaskill on his left, away from Hillary.

A SNUB would entail giving the recipient the knowledge that she was being snubbed and insulted. You’d make eye-contact, await the hand to be extended, THEN turn one’s back on the snubbee! And even more successfully you do it for no good reason.

That’s how it’s done. I’m sure that Obama knows about how to use body-language to make a point if he really wanted to.

You don’t turn away well before eye-contact, the hand reach and perhaps a verbal exchange is initiated. Obama was already turned around before Clinton made eye-contact with Teddy, and extended her hand towards KENNEDY.

It was at the time McCaskill (directly to his left) asked him a question. If he were to ignore McCaskill SHE would have been snubbed. Obviously, though, some people think that Obama was supposed to be completely focussed on Clinton to the exclusion of everyone else.

There is no evidence that Hillary even TRIED to shake Obama’s hand. NONE!

Finally, Obama has always shaken Hillary’s hand at all their debates. If he wanted to insult or snub her publically he could have easily done so at those times. Why a crowded Senate floor where a supposed insult could be explained easily away as so many other things.

Finally did anyone ever think that the dour face that Obama had may have been related to the content of Bush’s speech…why be jubilant over a President who repeatedly lies during the State of the Union? I also had such a face when I braved it out.

Man, some people are really stretching things here.

Good Lord, the country is falling apart and THIS is what we are all obsessing on. It makes me even more upset the grown up John Edwards has left this race.

Snowbird42@255; Good post!

You (and Lincoln Chaffee) put your finger on something that worried me about Edwards. Despite his repeated and unequivocal apologies for his vote to authorize the invasion, in the debates he would be stuck having to defend his authorization vote by saying the same thing that Hillary will have to say, if we’re asinine enough to nominate her:

“George Bush fooled me.” What an answer! :o(

I have supported Edwards. He’s a goood man, but we should keep in mind that while he and Clinton were voting “yes” to bush’s invasion, there were 21 democratic Senators with enough of whatever it took; intelligence…courage…to vote “no”.

And I will guarantee you that if we nominate Barack Obama, at some point in the campaign, every democrat watching the presidential debate, will be very, very, glad that Obama spoke out against it, early on.

Lawdy, lawdy! This good old-fashioned lynchin’ will teach Barack and other black men how to respect a white woman! All the good white folk saw him lookin’ at that white woman!!! He can’t deny it, that’s what the blck folk always do when they get caught!

Worst. Thread. Ever.

Enough!

Oh, please. This is so high school. Who cares.

Senator Edwards please, please come back!

1. If he did, we can say he was rude to his competitor.

2. If he didn’t, then we can say she lied to the American people about it.

Personally, I think the Clinton camp has more to lose by publicizing this, especially since it is on videotape.

Total MSM nonsense.

Can we focus on some issues and proposals about how to get us out of the hell hole bush got us in?

In the end the dems will all be together and all will be forgotten.

Completely dumb waste of time.

… speaking of dumb waste of time, when’s the Repug debate on ? *g*

Say what you will.

But when it comes to ‘class’, the d’s ‘leading’ lites are definitely ‘least worst’; in comparison to the r-thugs, that is.

I shore am lookin’ forward to the day when I don’t have to vote for ‘least worst’.

I mention that only because I don’t expect to live forever.

I heard on the radio that Obama is going to begin airing an ad in California with Caroline Kennedy comparing him to JFK. Won’t that be as hokey as all the GOP candidates comparing themselves to Ronald Reagan?

World’s biggest snub was Hillary leaving S. Carolina without giving the obligatory gracious concession speech. How no-class is that?

About as much as Obama leaving Nevada without giving an “obligatory gracious concession speech.”

They’re both politicians and do stupid things, OK?

Touche. I have to agree that I also viewed it as a snub. Before anyone accuses me of anything nefarious, Edwards was my guy.

Oops, I hit the submit button before I was finished.

Adding to my previous post…….

But it’s all a moot point now so let’s wish each other luck. Make sure you get folks out to vote so that we can take care of business

The snub is for show. Obama has the hots for Hillary. The older woman thing…..

I can’t understand why he did it. I’ve worked with a few people that I haven’t liked. But it’s the workplace. You’re civil. You don’t try to hurt people in front of others–it makes you look small. Sometimes you see that behaved in high school kids, but we grow up.

What in the world did he think it would achieve? Now he just looks like a phony. Someone who says lovely things, then makes fun of you when you’re back is turned.

There’s no evidence that it was a snub, and a lot of evidence it wasn’t. Hillary lying about it on Fox News doesn’t help.

For the love of gawd. First it was the haircut, then it was the UFO, then the cry, then the race card and now this. All of this over something that is pointless. +900 lies to get us into war, outing a CIA agent, corruption of the Justice Department, on and on and on and this is the “news” that we get. If this is all that’s important, this country is really f^cked. I have heard more whining from the candidates and the media in the last 3 months than I heard from all 4 of my kids growing up.

This is so monumentally stupid. Doesn’t the corporate media spend enough time on meaningless minutia? I DON’T CARE ABOUT BULLSHIT. That’s not why I come to firedoglake.

I support Obama because he was against Bush’s stupid war when I was. But I know that if Hillary wins the nomination I will work my butt off for her, because she’ll be a fine President, and any Democrat is better than any Republican.

I’m so disappointed to see firedoglake dignifying this meaningless shit.

Denise, you and those who agree with you should receive whatever merit a thread such as this might accrue.

Cheap diversions, sometimes may take our minds out of despair or even relieve mild forms of hopelessness (when pursued in good humor). On other occassions, such diversions waste time and patience, tax understanding and shred good-will; all for mere spite, one-ups-man(woman)-ship and command of the sandbox.

Is recess over?

We face much vexation ahead. Let us pace ourselves and prepare for both turbulence and a rough landing (if we art lucky).

I thought, from the first video, that he was responding to the short, blond in the white suit who was behind Kennedy? Sure didn’t look to me like he was dissing Hill.

I’m going back under the covers now. Is it November yet?

The fact that the always reliable Hamsher is feeding into and apparently falling for this nonsensical non-issue really confounds me. I fear she must be suffering from campaign fatigue. There appears to be no continuous video of the incident to support anyone’s claims. It’s starting to remind me of the still photo of Obama not placing his hand on his heart during the playing of the national anthem proving he’s unpatriotic.

Is there any possibility Jane was being facetious?

What bothers me about these kinds of things, besides the distraction from important issues, is how Obama is now tainted with this nonsense as well. How many people are thinking I’m sick of this sniping at each other…they’re both a bunch of children…etc.

What the hell did Obama do to be considered childish with this?!? He clearly turned before Hillary moved in their direction. He never saw her come over. The Clintons, knowing the BigMedia will run wild with this kind of stuff, has been lobbing all kinds of bait in Obama’s direction ever since Iowa. He has taken it a few times, but he almost has to defend himself somewhat and fight back, otherwise many will say he’s not tough enough. I feel he’s run one of the most positive campaigns I can remember. Pointing out differences isn’t attacking. The one exception for me was the snide comment in that debate about Hillary being “likable enough.” I just did that today in a meeting, where I didn’t mean to be condescending but it came out that way (to a man though). One of those D’oh! moments, and I felt that’s what happened at that debate.

Obama has been trying to stay above the fray, to varying degrees of success. I like that.

Did Obama snub Hillary?

No.

Does the MSM want you to think he did, and obsess on it?

Probably.

Ugh. Can’t believe this is being re-hashed here.

To me it looks as if Obama is just being polite, in letting Mr. Kennedy and Ms. Clinton have a short word or their own.

But who gives a flying duck?

Exactly! what is the big deal? The pictures don’t mean anything, if there was video that showed him looking at her and turning away, that is something, maybe. Even so, so what? More important things in this world. If true, at least it is an honest expression as opposed to all the scripted emotions. Again, who give a flying duck?

lisa January 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
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Did Obama snub Hillary?

No.

Does the MSM want you to think he did, and obsess on it?

Probably.

______________

Probably?????? is the Pope Bavarian?

just another case of “lets you and him fight.”

this ain’t no disco. the MSM are on this like flies on shit, and as usual, it’s worthless, a waste of time for us, but useful for the MSM as it is destructive of Democrats who they hold in utter contempt. MY opinion is that any of us who takes sides on this is an idiot, and a not very smart idiot at that. the trolls on the other hand are just having fun.

I think this pic should be put at the top with the others. Certainly no snub going on. Just MSM putting filler noise on the tubes rather than address all the important news that was available this past week. Keep dumbing down America you so call news entertainers.

Here’s the pic that should also be at the top of this article. No snub, just polite conversation.

http://politicalticker.blogs.c…..b-clinton/

At last! Nobody seems to notice that the other picture(s) are carefully cropped on the right so you can’t see that Obama turned to look over at the person on his left who said something to him.

It’s amazing what we see when the camera zooms out — anyone remember shots of McCain walking in that market in Baghdad and then the zoom out to show how many soldiers were surrounding him? How about the one where bush is dropping a wreath in the water and looking sad at the 9/11 site? A zoom out and longer clip showed him getting out of car, walking over, finding his mark on the pavement, getting handed the wreath, dropping it, looking down, then turning and getting back in the car and driving away…real tender moment.

A good film editor can make the camera lie.

I’d rather have a snub than a Shrub.

This is silly — and why politics (at least in America) is so shallow.

Hey! I know! Why not talk about Hillary’s and Obama’s stand on ISSUES, rather than who snubbed who, etc?

I mean WHO F-ING CARES?

Here’s what pisses me off about this whole thing:

The MSM will investigate this kind of thing to death, but will not address FISA or the war crimes of the Bush Regime. Sickening!!!

Nothing of substance once again from the MSM inept irresponsible and compromised………………

I cannot believe the attention this supposed snub has elicited. Sen. Obama clearly explained that as he entered the senate chamber he had waved to Hillary, so in fact they had already greeted each other. End of story.

Lets keep a snub count. This is a political campaign for all the marbles. This is a snub and so was the departure of Hillory from South Carolina without a concession speech and thank you to her supporters. There will be more of this lets get our heads on the issues and not whose feelings are hurt -this is hardball- girls and blacks take your best shot and don’t cry about the trivial.

cute