And then there were two.
With John Edwards dropping out of the Democratic presidential race, we are losing a fierce and committed voice for change and for justice. I, for one, feel that loss like an ache.
One of the signature issues of his campaign -- one that is near and dear to my own heart -- was Edwards' commitment to giving voice to those who have none in our money-driven political process. The Democratic party has long been the champion of the downtrodden and folks in need. Although we have sadly forgotten that obligation to the least of these our bretheren the last few years, the message still resonates here in Appalachia and all over this nation where people are in need of hope, and a little dignity.
John Edwards candidacy has been a daily reminder to pick up the charge of the better angels of our nature, and to speak up against those injustices that too often get shoved to the side for more monied and powerful interests.
Who can forget the introduction of James Lowe (YouTube), who had no voice at all for the first 50 years of his life, living in rural Virginia with no access to adequate health care? Something that millions of Americans deal with every day in one of the richest nations in the world. John Edwards gave voice to their plight, and made certain that everyone who heard him understood that there but for the grace of God go us all.
Or his fight to give voice (YouTube) to those in the Gulf Coast who have been shoved aside or forgotten by those in power far too often?
Or his challenge to all of us (YouTube) to bring about the change that we wish to see in our communities...in our America. John Edwards is stepping out of the presidential race today, but that challenge remains for all of us. Because the heart of the Democratic party is in all of us. Each and every one.
The best honor that you can give to a fighter like John Edwards is to keep on fighting -- for equality, for justice, for fairness, and for the little guy in all of us. Someone has to stand up for the folks who feel left behind, who need a hand back up and onto their feet, who need some encouragement to take that next step forward into a brighter future.
Your work, your help could make all the difference for someone in your community today. John Edwards' legacy in this campaign will last so long as there are Democrats who keep fighting for a better tomorrow for all of us. I have a feeling that John and Elizabeth will keep on working to lessen the sting of poverty, to create opportunities for education for those who now have very little access, to give voice to those who cannot find one in the halls of power today.
What will be your legacy in working on these issues in your own community?
We are the heart of the Democratic party. We are the change we wish to see. But only if we continue to do the work to make that change possible. Each and every day. I wanted to take some time to thank John and Elizabeth Edwards for being such an inspiration. But it occurs to me that the best thanks that any of us can give them is to keep on doing the necessary work, for a better tomorrow, a better nation, for all of us...
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Amen Christy
Shit shit shit. I guess I’m going for Obama now.
Good morning CHS. THanks for the post. My heart is broken by this. I truely feel the best candidate is now out.
Yep. In the identity politics dustup, class is now out of the picture now that Edwards is out. Americans like to pretend class doesn’t exist in this country.
Agreed. I caucused for Edwards. I’m sorry to see him go.
While I am sad to see Edwards go, I will happily support Obama, my second choice from the beginning.
I supported John Edwards since he started his campaign 14 months ago. His message of populism and fighting for we the people resonates today in the world of big corporations. His voice will be missed but never forgotten. My support will now shift to Obama whom can bring the change that we all need. thanks Christy for a great post!
I was hoping to caucus for Edwards next week. I probably need to take a couple of days off, because my first impulse is “I’m done.”
He is my last best hope for change, and I know neither of the remaining Democratic candidates have my or my family’s best interests at heart.
-S
I’m still voting for him in the Ohio primary. I won’t vote for either Obama or Clinton until I absolutely have to…
Looks like I’ll have plenty of time to do other things, because I’m not going to bother watching the least worthy candidates.
And, besides, debating sex organs and skin pigment is so much more fun.
Great post and a great challenge Christy. I am truly sorry to see Edwards leave the campaign as I feel he best represented how I feel the Democratic party should go forward. I am not keen on either of the two remaining candidates for any number of reasons. I’ll vote for the final winner since I am a Democrat but that does not prevent me from wishing for more and working for more than I feel the two will bring to the White House. I will lose a little hope today for a rapid change in the way we are moving in this country and will have to settle for recognizing that the damage done to our country by Bush and company will not be challenged quite as courageously as I would want.
Although this breaks my heart, for I feel that Edwards was the peoples Champion, I hold hope that his cause lives on within those who have the power to affect change.
He should be held up high on the list of reasons for the reasons why we need to grab these money changers by the collar and kick them to the curb with prejudice.
In a few short moments I will be heading over to Berryville to cast my vote for Kucinich if he is on the ballot, otherwise Edwards. Who I will write-in in November remains to be decided.
Resist the triangles!
It is all about stopping the Clintons. It is appalling that Bill Clinton is in New Jersey talking about taking us back to the future with his rosy stories of how great the economy was when he was President. Nonsense it is. The Clintons presided over the greatest increase in our country’s dependence on foreign oil in its history. And yet the Clintons had no energy policy and still do not. HRC says she would lower emissions and improve house insulation. That’s her change. The Clintons are beyond dangerous.
Edwards never really told it like it is with regard to the Clintons and that is too bad. He should have smashed their pablum and he had the ability to do it.
He was the only candidate I’ve ever been proud to support.
Dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit dammit - repeat and fade.
The Fascists have won again. Corporate fat cats are sleeping well tonight. Billary will fatten big pharma’s wallet some more, or we’ll have another admitted ex/druggie in the White House. Lesson to America’s kids: snort up that coke, don’t get caught, then write a tell-all book later, make a fortune and be the President.
Nice.
Don’t blame you, but, Johnny, we hardly knew ye…
Looks like another hold-my-nose November coming up. I was hoping to feel some real pride in my vote for a change.
Preview is not my friend this morning.
More caffeine, please.
What? Have you seen her global warming, energy policy? It’s actually good. Obama’s policy depends too much on ethanol and his support of that blasted Mining Act is horrible.
I’m not sure what I’ll do tsunami Tuesday. Obama will carry my district (MN-05), the bluest and most ethnically diverse in the state. My critter, Keith Ellison, is an Obama supporter, and so is St Paul’s (MN-04) critter, Betty McCollum. I might toss a coin between Hillary and Obama or just stay home. MN is a caucus state. The people who voted Ellison in will probably caucus for Obama.
I am so sad.
I sent my vote in via absentee two weeks ago for Super Tuesday in California. My vote for John Edwards.
We need to keep up the good fight and push Obama and Clinton to stand up for the progressive principles that Edwards championed so well.
John never fit into the corporate media script for the ‘08 Presidential campaign. He was depicted at the $400 haircut pretty boy and then ignored. It looks as if McCain is their candidate even though his failing campaign gave them a scare. We haven’t seen their script for Obama yet and that makes me very nervous.
You nailed it Christy,
Edwards has been the conscience of our party this election. He inspired tightwad me to give.
Who will take up his banner? Position of ‘conscience’ is open again.
Christy is best qualified I know of. Run for senate Christy.
Joel Mael
What a crock of shit.
sooo since edwards is out all hope is lost?? i wasnt in his camp but had he’d been the nominee i would’ve supported him.. by default i have to be an obama supporter since hrc leaves me cold…. if all who supported edwards voted for him why was he always losing these primaries?? its curious to me…. jus sayin…
I guess at this point I’ll sit back and watch the show, my corporate masters have left me no choice.
Bastards.
I actually said “OH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!” out loud at my computer this morning when I read this.
I am SO sad at our loss of an actual quality candidate and now I sincerely have NO idea who I’m going to vote for in the primary next week. It wasn’t an easy process of choosing Edwards in the first place, and now I’m really at a loss.
I saw his voting record on ethanol and couldn’t figure out why he was such a big supporter. Anyone know?
Perhaps John will join Al. After all, he is Vice President all ready. Isn’t it odd we have the mafia in control of our court system? Someone explain again why this country isn’t broken?
Rats.
I’ve lost hope I’ll see a progressive major party nominee for Pres in m lifetime.
Sen WalMart and Sen
Present$ - two corporatist enablers.This morning I hate our corporatist media and the corporatist controlled “electoral” process. And I’m really tired of letting a bunch of white people in rural areas screen out progressives from every nomination.
Blergh.
my my my…. aren’t we showing our true colors….. and on the lake yet WOW
Two novelties.
Two basket cases.
F**king country.
CHS, I agree with your tribute. I’d add that Edwards has typically been the first of the top-tier to accept and positivley react to various input from the netroots. While his message on issues of poverty and disparate access to healthcare and education have been a hallmark, he has also responded more quickly and more fully to many progressive issues, such as Dodd’s filibuster.
I personally was hoping Edwards would try to maintain his 15% (+/-) and use it to good effect at the Convention. Like many, I now look to Obama as the better of two choices, either of them far less than idea.
It is all about stopping the Clintons.
No, it really isn’t. It’s really all about stopping the neo-con Chicago-school economic fascists who will retain control of the US if McCain or Romney wins in November.
Either Clinton or Obama, with a Democratic congress, will start us back on the right track.
Aaaaw! It makes me so sad. As LS said last night, What’s wrong with this country? Don’t answer. I know. I’m just sad and frustrated.
Edwards single-handedly redefined the Democratic brand. He is a leader; the other candidates are politicians. He speaks to all that is good in America, and I think that is why so many self-defined conservative Democrats voted for him–his party was unimportant; it was all about his ideals, our ideals. Edwards’ candidacy made me feel proud to be a Democrat again. Now I feel like we’re back to constant political capitulation.
if all who supported edwards voted for him why was he always losing these primaries?? its curious to me…. jus sayin…
Considering the fact that Washington State’s primary is not till next week, your comment is “curious” to me.
I’ll be voting for Edwards.
-S
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ideal, damn it
This is so sad:
how so???
Umm… becauase there are more people who vote than who post on FDL.
That sounds kind of familiar . . .
We the people of the United States of America,
in order to form a more perfect union,
establish justice,
insure domestic tranquility,
provide for the common defense,
promote the general welfare, and
secure the blessings of liberty,
to ourselves and our posterity
do ordain and establish this consitution
for the United States of America.
Yep. We are the people, and our work for justice continues.
Thanks, Christy!
Yep. Establishing unity with flesh-eating zombies just gets you eaten.
Ethanol is big in Iowa.
Ethanol subsdies are a huge “pass-through” to BigAg and BigCarbon.
Ambitious corporatist candidates lick the hands that buy their campaigns - and them.
LOL.
Did you see my comment about you two threads ago?
I have always reserved suspicion about Obama solely because people like David Brooks have praised him effusively. Matthew Yglesias’s explanation of why they’ve been doing that is very perceptive:
http://matthewyglesias.theatla.....p#comments
With all respect, the Clintons energy policies continue and reinforce the status quo, dependence on foreign oil. The Clintons like the Pappy Bush take the short cut of basing our econonomy on what comes out of the ground in Saudi Arabia. Obama, for all or any if his shortcomings, is not following the Bush/Clinton middle east oil based economy. Please do not confuse global warming with our dangerous depedence on foreign oil. There are obvious overlapping issues but the essential solutions are quite different.
Because those of us who live in states with later primaries haven’t had the chance to vote for him yet!
moving on……………..
No there is no chance with the Clintons.
Beautiful post, Christy. Exactly so.
Moses never made it into the Promised Land, but he led the way. We shall persist, we shall persevere, we shall overcome.
I would like John Edwards to have the opportunity to give voice to these essential concerns on the United States Supreme Court.
Justice Edwards has a very nice ring to it.
Soooo distessing.
As for Hillary vs. Obama, I’ll vote for the devil I know. I have a sinking feeling that Obama would be a disaster as a prez. Neither has the policies I want, but at least Hillary knows what the job entails & Obama is so naive he’s dripping behind the ears.
The Clinton hate spewing in this thread ignores the good parts of Bill’s presidency.
A vote for Obama is a vote for a one-term D prez, followed by Jeb Bush.
You know, all the gloom and doom about the two remaining viable Democratic folks is really misguided in a lot of ways. Especially when you look at the GOP prospects. And I think John and Elizabeth Edwards would say the same.
Honestly, you think John McCain and Mitt Romney offer comperable leadership to what Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton would offer in terms of priorities? In terms of judicial nominees and legal direction? In terms of any number of issues that really matter to all of us getting any hearing at all versus being shoved to the side for four more years?
Just for judicial and legal appointments alone, for lifetime seats on the federal bench? That alone stops me cold in terms of analysis. Really, instead of going from gut anger and shock, just think about the ramifications of that point alone for a moment…and think about whether you want McCain or Romney influencing the direction of the federal courts into your grandchildren’s generation, because that is exactly the aim of the Federalist Society in putting them in office. All by themselves, that’s a reason to be involved. And that is just one of many, many issues on which our influence needs to be felt — and heard — going into November. Giving up or walking away just cedes the ground of debate to the DLC types — no thank you.
I’m saddened by this as I wanted the chance to caucus for him next Tuesday.
But I do want to share something I heard on the radio this morning. Obama was here in Kansas yesterday and they were interviewing some of his Kansas relatives. He is half African, and he is also half white American with Kansas origins. What tickled me was hearing older white Kansans proudly claiming him as family.
On our short, white block in segregated Wichita, two girls ended up marrying men from Africa (my sister being one of them). Both families are the richer in love and history for it; my daughter is in Kinshasa right now, meeting more of the extended family. I do wish the four parents, now deceased, could see Obama running.
yep. again, exactly so.
and so edwards will garner support here even though he’s announced that he’s dropping out…. thus giving a clearer path to a hrc nom - precious
ADM (largest grain processor) headquarters in Decatur, Illinois.
I don’t attribute such lofty adjectives to Edwards..even though I’d like to think he’s “been a fighter for us all his life.” I’ve followed the voting records of Edwards and so has Russ Feingold. Feingold said:
“The one that is the most problematic is (John) Edwards, who voted for the Patriot Act, campaigns against it. Voted for No Child Left Behind, campaigns against it. Voted for the China trade deal, campaigns against it. Voted for the Iraq war … He uses my voting record exactly as his platform, even though he had the opposite voting record.”
yes and, while I appreciate it and try to have a sense of humor, we don’t be usin’ the H word. . .they are on the Wall.
Boy, you sure do take the air out of a good Pity Party don’t you? /s
To put this in perspective, on the same day Obama got Ted Kennedy’s endorsement, Clinton got…Alan Dershowitz’s. She also leapt to her feet when Bush touted the success of the surge (both items via Matthew Yglesias). And lest you think the comment is strictly some personal distaste for Clinton, a reminder of her foreign policy “braintrust” should also provide perspective.
Sure, vote for the devil you know. But what if both of them aren’t devils?
I had been planning to caucus for John Edwards until Chris Dodd stepped up to the plate to defend the constitution, then as we all know Chris dropped out. Senator Dodd would have made a great president, he’s not charismatic, not the bright shiny object that the corporate media adores. Just a hardworking, down in the trenches kind of guy. When Senator Dodd dropped out, I have to say that I had renewed energy to support Edwards.
This is a sad day.
I feel like I’m left with only one choice. Barack Obama. The Clintons are just not an option for me, and I know they will unite the republicans in a way that Obama will not. I personally know three moderate republicans who will vote for McCain if Hillary is the nominee, but will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.
Honestly, you think John McCain and Mitt Romney offer comperable leadership to what Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton would offer in terms of priorities? In terms of judicial nominees and legal direction?
Certainly not.
But I don’t represent the 50% of the electorate with flat line EEGs.
Christy,
Thanks so much for this eloquent post. I am truly heartbroken that John’s voice in national politics may now be further “relegated” from the public’s consciousness.
I will vote for the eventual Democratic nominee but will not closely follow the race from here. My efforts will be concentrated on the state and local level contests.
You are right that is why we must now devote all our (political) energies to the election of Reps and Sens. The two candidates that we have for prez. will need to be balanced by, credible, progressives that are NOT DLC.
You’ll have to pardon me if I didn’t feel like writing a bash John Edwards post today…
Word in one grapevine said Obama might pick Edwards as his VP on the ticket…:
(From the same link as my 39.)
The Judicial nominees argument, is that all there is? Is Hillary going with the corporate insurance lawyer Zoe Baird again? George Tenet again? Sandy Berger again? Increasing dependence on foreign oil at historic rates again?
The Clintons have no experience I would like to see repeated. Obama has potential. I vote potential.
Thanks Christy! We are losing the one voice in the Democratic race we could truly trust to work for the people and not for the corporations. I am deeply saddened by his departure… now who the hell do I vote for??? I do not trust Oback as far as I could through him… he is just dam slick… and Hillary… what can I say? she will bring out the crazies in the Rethuglian party, just as happened to Brattleboro Vermont when they passed a resolution to arrest the Bush & Cheney if ever they step in to town… what a frigging conundrum… shees whats a guy to do…
Thanks again Christy for all you and the FDL crew does to keep us informed on matters of importance to us and our country! DUGG it
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Hillary is not a DLC type?
Perhaps those of us who planned to caucus for Edwards next Tuesday should follow through and do it, at least for the first round. I think doing so would be a worthwhile statement.
It hurts. It hurts to know a great candidate must step out of the fight because he didn’t get support from Democrats. I worked on his campaign when he was Kerry’s running mate. I worked on that campaign because of John and Elizabeth Edwards.
At the Nevada caucus I heard over and over how people liked Edwards but they stood with either Clinton or Obama. Those of us who continued to stand with Edwards could only make him viable, just, giving him another delegate to take on to the disctrict and finally the state.
I asked each person who spoke to me about how much they liked Edwards, why did they not stand with him? The same canned response repeated - He’s not viable. Well, I guess not if you don’t go with your conscience.
I have another theory. I think most people in a capitalist society don’t give a damn about the poor. Capitalism breeds “I’ve got mine, I want more, to hell with you.” It isn’t capitalism I’m blaming, it’s human nature that makes this choice.
I knew this day was approaching. It took a Herculean effort to keep reminding us of our better angels over and over. Ultimately, money dries up. Support is fickle and moves to a more popular camp. How long will we remember and take up the mantle of the Edwards’ soulful message?
Thank you John and Elizabeth
Another potential Joe Lieberman?
That’s what I am afraid of with him.
Ahhhhhhh!!! Thanks.
Hillary Clinton has demonstrated a lifetime of commitment to many progressive causes. She’s too pragmatic for my taste sometimes, and too much of a hawk all the time. But I know that she’ll appoint liberal judges, and she’ll fund children’s health programs, she’ll make FEMA responsible and responsive, and she’ll work like a dog to bring down the deficit and get the Bush cronies out of government.
And she’ll get warrants before she eavesdrops on American citizens.
In a word, no. I’ll definitely vote for the Dem nominee in general, whoever s/he is…
Simple MSM has always ignored his campaign… a little simple searching of the internet and the evidence stands out like a sore thumb!
Absurd.
No, that isn’t all there is. And I’ll thank you not to twist my words to your hatred of the Clintons ends. This is not intended to be a thread for everyone to bitch about Democratic candidates — I intended it as an honor the best of John Edwards’ campaign for all of his many supporters here at FDL. Thought everyone could use something uplifting, considering how down a lot of folks were going to be.
Thanks for instead trying to turn it into a “let’s bash the Clintons” or a “let’s bash Obama” thread for everyone who has done so. Class acts, all.
Dawg,
Please look up John Edwards voting record. I don’t at all think that corporate America was “scared as hell” of Edwards…even though I wish he was what he claimed, he voted (as senator) for things like the bankruptcy bill (twice).. a bill that even the Clintons were against. Sorry he’s out but he was not as courageous as his spin made him out to be.
the immediate forming of a circle firing squad is amusing.
And IIRC, Clinton was the only Dem prez in 1992 to have made a SCOTUS appointment since 1948…
Are you watching too much TV? Obama is soooooo much smarter than Lieberman. No chance of another Lieberman with Obama. And all this mentor stuff, did you ever see a move in that? Obama knows who needs to feel close and important. Obama is quite effective.
for me, he is the only candidate in 6 presidential elections who i was proud to support and VIABLE dammit. so close. this was the first time that i cast my vote without ambivalence, and not as a best of bad choices.. my vote for nader in 2000 i knew wasn’t viable, so this was the first election where my heart was truly in the race.
Agree completely with this assessment.
My focus on the state and local races (assuming I continue to be here in NC) is that they are the ones that will spur turnout. I have heard many Dems here say they will stay home rather than vote for HRC or Obama.
Don’t have an answer for that one other than to “make” them feel that the local races (like the NC Supreme Court) are so crucial, they must vote. Once there, they’ll vote for the Dem presidential nominee.
It’s the media
It’s the media
It’s the media
they don’t report all the good things going on in Iraq
they ignore our candidate
they lost Vietnam
what am I missing?
so now we’ll see what feb 5th will bring….a dem nom or if it goes to a brokered convention….
This is a blow and I don’t know which other candidate I’ll vote for…
But I’m leaning towards Obama because of one simple fact…
He was against the Iraq war from it’s inception…
I will always admire him for that…
Problem is, Obama has one of those on his staff(as his main economic advisor).
Timmy and Tweety must be very pleased this morning. They can now go about trashing just 2 Dems.
I think it started a little earlier in the thread, like #16
The Fascists have won again. Corporate fat cats are sleeping well tonight. Billary will fatten big pharma’s wallet some more, or we’ll have another admitted ex/druggie in the White House. Lesson to America’s kids: snort up that coke, don’t get caught, then write a tell-all book later, make a fortune and be the President.
That is one of the big reasons we have put so much effort into our Blue America work here. Far too often the House and Senate races get overshadowed entirely in presidential years — and we potentially have an opportunity to make an enormous difference in perspective by pulling in just a few more progressive candidates into the mix.
Which would have the added benefit of weakening Rahm’s stranglehold on a lot of the House, and further marginalizing Lieberman in the Senate. Which, for my money, are worthwhile goals all on their own.
Not really absurd.
lieberman mentored him, his remarks about Reagan and his propensity lately to try and court the moderate Republicans has got me watching him a little more closely.
Clinton I already know what to look out for.
Don’t get me wrong,
I am a lifelong Dem and I vote a Dem ticket and will again.
I just don’t like the way this got influenced by big money.
Shutting off a candidate from media exposure because they are afraid of his populist message is preemptive vote tampering.
I’m truely saddened by Edwards dropping out.
I don’t understand why his message was not embraced by the country?
Guess it’s Obama with fingers-crossed that he’ll work for us and not the corporate/health insurance interests.
I’ll think about that one, Chuck…
With all due respect, it is not at all absurd.
There are many of us who are skeptical that Obama’s actions will match his words. From choosing Lieberman as his Senate mentor and backing him during the CT Dem primary, to his echoing of Lieberman’s “Bi-partisan uber alles” mantra, to the echoing of Republican talking points on numerous issues, there is a lot to be skeptical about.
Please know that if Obama IS the Dem nominee in November 2008, I will vote for him and pray that he is as progressive as his believers think he will be.
I will not, however, hold my breath.
I am more disappointed than I can say that John Edwards has decided to drop out. My second choice, who will get my vote on Tuesday, is Obama, and come November I’ll vote for my party’s nominee. I only hope that whoever that nominee turns out to be he or she will pay some heed to what John Edwards has had to say, and will act accordingly.
As usual Christy a brilliant post, and now a comment that really needs to be thought about intensely.
It is important now for all of us to take a deep breath and really look at what is before us. I have been thinking this thru for a long time.
The question that remains now and it really is only one.
WHO can beat John McCain, because unless ManiacMac does something more stupid, he is in, and with what he has been saying, how could he say anything more stoopid?
repeat after me;
WHO CAN BEAT MCCAIN?
I have made my decision who to support and send money too on that one line for months.
Yes, well there has been a lot of it — far too much of the “my candidate is Jesus, and yours is Satan” divisiveness for my taste frankly. They are politicians, people. None of them are perfect saviors. But egging on the sniping is not what I’m in the mood for today, given that I have a conference call to get to in a couple of minutes on some legal issues we’ll be covering in the next couple of weeks…
Best Wishes to the Edwards and their family…
Proud of their efforts and will back them rain or shine…
Good Luck!….
I don’t get all the “I’d rather vote for McCain rather than Obama or Clinton” nonsense. Edwards was my first choice. I am in no way, shape or form gonna vote for McCain or Mittmentum. Are either Clinton or Obama Feingold, Jr.? No. But not everyone is. If things are still undecided when the primaries come to PA, I am voting for Obama.
Biodun @ 83:
Not correct. Kennedy appointed at Byron White and Arthur Goldberg, and Johnson appointed Thurgood Marwshall and also Abe Fortas.
Yes!
Hang tough Redd
Did you ever think Edwards would get a fair shake from Tweety and Timmeh!!?
As an apathetic voter I appreciate the focus of building a progressive congressional major. It gives me something constructive to do rather than help to destruct the dem party from within.
No.
Thanks for the softball though.
*G*
Who can beat MCCain?-pretty much anyone-he’s crazy and pre-Alzheimers, just wait, he’ll disintergrate…
One more point that I would add for those who are saddened by this development is that through the combined efforts of all of the progressive netroots, we were able to get positive statements from all three candidates leading up the the FISA vote in the Senate this week and both sitting Senators showed up and cast their votes in response to our requests.
We should take that as recognition of our numbers and effectiveness and keep the pressure on the remaining two candidates to keep hammering on progressive issues. Who knows, maybe Edwards can actually hold himself out to the MSM as an expert commentator for the remainder of the race, much along the lines of a sports “color commentator”. In such a role, he could easily achieve bigger exposure for progressive ideals than the MSM was giving while he was an active candidate.
It’s easy to say you’re against something if you don’t have to vote on it.
Exactly — if it’s time to generalize, how about “More war, less jobs. Vote McCain”
CNN saying Edwards had called Obama and Clinton yesterday and asked each to keep poverty issues central to their campaigns and if elected. No endorsement at this time.
Thanks…I think I was confused. I had read somewhere that Clinton was the only Dem prez to have made a SCOTUS appt. in 40-something years…
You have a lot more confidence in the American people that I do. I’m telling you the “waving the white flag of surrender” will carry a lot of weight. And if there is another attack fuggetaboutit.
I believe Kennedy and Johnson made one or two - Thurgood Marshall at least if not others.
It’s argument that echoes booman’s persuasive post from the other day: http://www.boomantribune.com/s.....123840/311
You also neglect to mention the obvious difference: he didn’t vote for the war. We can’t underestimate the importance of this, especially when it comes debate time. Clinton simply can’t outdo McCain when it comes to psychotically violent tendencies, er, toughness, and her non-answers, not to mention non-recantations in response to the inevitably repeated question, “Why did you vote for the war” are going to do her in.
If I’m faced the choice between a hot-blooded warmonger and a cold-blooded one in the general, I’m going to feel that the country’s unsalvageable.
I am sorry — I’m letting my bitterness over this news affect my perceptions of the other candidates.
I am feeling hurt and angry — Edwards was the first presidential candidated in all my years of voting (31) that I cared enough about to actually contribute to his campaign.
I’ll work for my local Dems and work on getting people out to vote…that’s the best I can do for now.
We have to start working on the campaigns of young local progressives. I’m working on a young woman’s campaign for the state legislature. She’s twenty-five and has the potential to move from the state legislature, to the state senate, and onto the national stage. I persoanlly refuse to believe that Edwards’ campaign end is the end of the potential to elect a progressive president in my life time, and I’m no youngster. Roll up your f*ckin sleeves.
It’s not all doom and gloom at Chez ‘Nuckles.
Ghouliani is now free to roam about the sty.
i am upset,the blogsphere did not circle the wagons and get behind the one true progressive in the race…im very sad today ,seeyall later
Well — 40 years ago it was 1968. Could be true.
Hillary’s husband was a founder and the first chairman of the DLC. Here are some resources regarding Hillary and the DLC:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....81827.html
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137
Thanks. See Minnesotachuck @ 103 and me @ 114.
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It would have been quite difficult for Obama to vote for or against the invasion of Iraq since he was not in the Senate to make the choice. He has also stated that he is not sure how he would have voted had he been in the Senate at the time, given the overall mood of the country at that time.
yep.
Some of us today, are feeling a profound and wearying disappointment.
Some of us are also concerned that we ALL (those of us who care about something besides money and power) may experience not merely great disappointment but also absolute devastation, if the r-thugs remain in power, by hook or by crook (or pehaps even due to some galvanizing ‘force’ which might impell all the little ‘goopers’ to vote in their Rovian droves).
But, let us all seek solace in our mutual humanity as well as respecting the nature of our mutual plight.
Hi Christy. I just voted for John yesterday morning and I’m glad I did. I miss him already.
I too sent in my absentee ballot last week for MD’s Feb. 12 primary.
My heart is broken, because I feel like a good, decent man, who cares for his country and the people in it, was denied a “fair shake” by the media. He didn’t have to make this run, particularly in light of Elizabeth’s health and the age of his two youngest children. I really feel that he did it out of a love of country, and not a lust for power — unlike **some** candidates.
I’ll be supporting Obama. My college-age kids and ALL their friends are energized by him. I’ve seen him bring in — in terms of getting them to travel to SC to canvas for him — middle-aged friends who up to now had been staunch Republicans.
To me Obama represents the future we want for the Democratic party.
Still, I’m sad.
OT - oh, crap, it’s that bitch Andrea Mitchell who’s doing the coverage on MSNBC. I may change channels.
The number of votes Edwards has received helps to ensure that some of his more-progressive agenda will have a place on the final Democratic Party platform for the general election. It is well worth continuing to vote for Edwards to the extent his name remains on ballots and votes for him will be tallied.
Arca, WE know that, but you will see, that the wingnuts will rally around him, and there will be a VP picked by the establishment to push him thru.
Hillary CANNOT beat MCcain , even though she would be 2 billion times better.
I hope that progressives and the Democratic Party know what they are doing?
Seeing how Reid and Pelosi behave, I don’t have confidence in the Democratic Party, so it is up to progressives to rally and get US a win.
While I’m saddened by Edwards departing a race in which he constantly espoused progressive themes, I’m not as saddened as many who supported him here. That’s because I found his Senate Voting Record at times confounding for someone who has portrayed himself as a Progressive. For the most part he voted with the mainstream of the party, but at the times he actually broke with them it was to join with the Blue Dogs and the Republicans to vote to support some very odd bills for a so-called “progressive”, and even shot down “progressive bills by Feingold, Wellstone, and others through tabling or stifling debate.
Thgere was always a mismatch between the public image of Edwards and the reality of Edwards for me. He was better at espousing progressive themes than my preferred candidate, Dennis Kucinich…but Kucinich has actually established a legislative record as a progressive. Dennis has suggested that Edwards “lifted” his ideas from his speeches. While that may be a bit extreme, as these progressive ideas have been out there for years, if not decades, and shouldn’t be proprietary…there’s some truth to the claim that Edwards was a different character when representing North Carolina than when he ran for President.
These are his plans:
(Same link as my
i need to step away from the lake right now…. mood is a bit “dark”…
Thanks.
Can we at least “bash” her war vote and remind people that Edwards recanted his vote and Obama was publically on record as opposing the AUMF?
This is the the kind of subjective, emotional argument apologists for Bush make when confronted with substantive arguments: it’s “bashing”, “hatred”, “derangement”….
Of course, FDL will be known for attacking John Edwards at a critical point and giving him less coverage than his more corporately connected competitors. We won’t be sending you a thank you card when McCain is elected.
MSNBC starting coverage of the Edwards presser. They have the live feed going, no Edwards yet (warning: tweety is yappin’)
OT–
BTW, I’m using Firefox for the first time–It beats IE, no contest, especially the IE7 that comes bundled with Windows VISTA…
So people can’t change their minds? Do you understand anything about the state he represented in the Senate? I am not trying to excuse his votes, just saying that he couldn’t be as progressive as maybe he would have liked. Also, what about RFK. Look at his transformation. Do you think that was legit?
First time poster, long time lurker. Sad that it is on this sad occasion that I write my first post.
Christy, what an eloquent and truthful summation of what John Edwards meant to many of us. Such a voice for the invisible, regardless of gender, ethnicity, race, etc.
I’m angry, hurt and need some time to adequately grieve before I can honestly think about who I will support. I feel so compelled to go ahead and cast my vote for him in the hopes that someway, somehow it means something. I will vote for the democrat in November because the bigger picture is the Supreme Court.
There are positive sequelae to Edwards’s ability to garner a serious number of votes, even though he is now gone from the election. One constructive thing for progressives to do–above and beyond advocating for whichever of Clinton or Obama you prefer–is to figure out how those positive sequelae can be as effectively exploited as possible to advance progressive ends.
Ahh, It’s just the Irish in me, we tend to wallow in our despair just for fun at times.
The ‘Fightin’ Irish is never far.
By the way all of you Edward’s supporters. Dick-bag Morris says you are all either misogynists or racists and that was why you were for Edwards.
I believe that sack of excrement can be reached at Fox News.
-G
Russ hasn’t forgotten either.
Just what a corrupt, complacent and complicit media wanted. The corporate fat cats and their Republican allies are surely overjoyed. They know they are one step closer to another Republican victory in November.
that was brilliant
When did FDL attack Edwards? Where is your proof to back up your statement? Care to share any links? Or are you confusing bashing with constructive criticism?
I must admit my public personal is different from my private, me alone, by myself, personal. I’m sitting here in my bathrobe. I am too realistic to expect any public figure to be anything but flawed, often making decisions I don’t like. So, I guess that means I have to “do” democracy and hold their feet to the fire.
It isn’t that I believed John Edwards was/is perfect. I believed he would listen. He would pay attention to the voices of the people when they jammed his fax machine and phones.
Amen and amen.
One thing Edwards supporters can do in states that haven’t voted yet is to make it clear to Clinton and Obama that whoever comes closer to enacting Edwards’s more progressive agenda will get their votes.
I call bullshit on that one. You can take a peek at our Edwards tag to see why. But thanks for playing…
Although we are all upset about this, we must take careful steps and decide which Democrat CAN win. Sound cynical ? - you bet but the alternative is impossible. I already voted for Edwards even knowing that he probably couldn’t win. It was just not in the cards. But we must have a Democrat in the WH - this is about our country, not about “she did this” or “he said that.” I don’t care - it’s like life or death this time around. We cannot just sit on our hands while our country is in need. Work and vote and then we spank the Dems when don’t like what they do.
Democratic primary voters are as ignorant as repuglies, Does not a single one of them not read the internet? Could they have just bucked the corporate media and actually voted for the one who actually stood for what they stood for instead of marching along like sheep with what the media decreed? This is embarassing and humiliating for the base, but they don’t know it. The ptb are laughing behind our backs.
Hmm. That Senate voting record is interesting indeed… I wonder if he grew out those beliefs…
Now more than ever … Run Al Run !!!
But you’ll agree that he, at least, didn’t vote for the war? Do you understand my point that, not knowing what’s in his heart, from a strictly political perspective, not having voted for it puts him in a better position to actually criticize his Republican opponent for voting for the war (as opposiition to Kyl-Lieberman puts him in a better position to criticize the idea of starting another one with Iran). Subjective appraisals like guessing what he “believes” are not more important that from a political perspective Obama is “clean” on this issue.
That doesn’t even address the evidence that Clinton might actually support the continued occupation of Iraq and genuinely wanted “regime change” (a policy established in her husband’s administration). The best evidence of that is not just her voting record, but, as I said, her “braintrust”.
read the internet?
You can pick any prize from the bottom row?
Dick Morris is a tool. Most of us know his history. Unlike Dick, Edwards was talking about things that matter to us. That is why I supported Edwards. Also, I am just curious what Dick would say about Edwards helping out in New Orleans.
That’s really funny. I have what amounts to almost an allergy to white men with southern accents, but was an Edwards supporter.
I have to think that Edwards dropping out helps Obama more than anyone.
Any endorsement rumors?
So glad you raise your voice today, even in these circumstances. Look forward to more! Welcome.
BTW a few weeks ago I read something where some top DLC official expressed great enthusiasm for Barack and Hillary. Conspicuously, he did not mention Edwards except by omission with words like “The DLC is enthusiastic about both of the party’s leading candidates.”
Appreciate this reasoned perspective (not only because ‘is similar to my own, which is in its favor, naturally, but also because you have put it so well; I too, would like to think ‘progressive’ideas not merely not proprietary, but perhaps, even catching. Who is feeling contagious today?)
CNN–and MSNBC, Ill bet–blathering to fill time before Edwards speaks.
Blithely ignoring their own culpability for their titan horserace coverage.
Pox on ‘em all.
Yes, indeed. Firefox is the way to go! I’m stuck with IE at work, but at home it’s Firefox all the way.
Obama talking about Edwards on MSNBC…
Well I sure hope Clinton gets the nomination now. I just can’t see Obama up against McCain. McCain is the one candidate that can dull Obama’s bipartisanship message since McCain is known for taking contrary stands at times. What are they going to fight about, who can reach across the aisle better? It’s too late for Obama to change his message now. It’s going to require a fighter like Clinton to win this thing in the fall.
I believe so. As I have repeatedly stated, look at the state Edwards represented. Look at the different companies that all have their World HQ’s there(including Wachovia & whomever BofA took over). Do you think Edwards could just ignore employers of that magnitude? Once he left the Senate, he didn’t have to check his conscience at the door.
Red Flag
Red Flag
Red Flag… …but what other option do we have?
Anyone know a place to listen to the speech online? All I can find is video, and I don’t have enough bandwidth for live video here at work.
Of course I’ll agree, even if it is a totally meaningless metric. He didn’t have the responsibility or ability to vote on the AUMF so it is a totally nonsense argument. I didn’t vote for it either as far as that goes.
It doesn’t even matter whether it was genuine on Edwards’ part. What’s important is that he unambiguously recanted his vote, which put him on the right side of the issue, even if he remained a damaged prospect for advocating an end to this war. That’s a big difference from Clinton.
Don’t forget that Super Tuesday is my birthday. It is all about me, after all.
McCain will kick Hil’s ass.
ANd so I say again, be prepared for MN governor Tim Pawlenty as McCain’s running mate. They’ve been dancing together for more than two years. Pawlenty has been mentored by Darth and Rove. Did anyone really believe Rove retired to rest his weary, misunderstood soul??
Dick Morris considers polishing a prostitutes shoe with his penis as charity work.
Out of all of the right wing pundits he’s the man I find the most oiy and repulsive.
I’d rather share a sandwich with Bill Orally than a cab ride with Dirty Dick Morris.
-G
I have ive feed but no audio…
If my state was on Super Tuesday, I’d write you in. *g*
Christy, I’m in PA as well (Philly area). I may still vote for Edwards, as he’s who I want to vote for.
I’ll support whichever candidate gets the nomination, but I’m not sure I’m going to be able to make a choice. Both come with concerns and negatives along with their undeniable positives……
eCahnomics@53:
“…Hillary knows what the job entails…”
She sure does. It entails her smooching the corporate rightwing ass that has dragged us to the brink of this bloody precipice, like she was making out with Brad Pitt.
The notion that she is as electable as Barack Obama, is gibberish.
The line of the day, earlier on here:
“If we nominate Hillary, the republicans would rally around a ham sandwich.”
If the talking heads are still on, that may be a blessing.
Unfortunately the best chance of beating McCain just dropped out of the race. I like Hillary and Obama too, but it will be hard for them to beat McCain. People don’t realize how much he is pandering to the religious right. I hope they do and I hope he looses…but he is the only candidate they have that can beat any of our candidates.
We need to win. Our consitution is at stake.
CSPAN site says they will be covering it. They have an audio only feed. Not sure which CSPAN it’ll be on though.
I could have gone my whole life without that mental image. Ewwwww…
That was also a problem with his campaign trying to get “traction”. My sister, an Obama supporter, said the same thing when I was pushing Edwards..”Not another Southern White Male”..She is 72, White and “Southern”..not the usual Obama demographic.
Well, then, why aren’t WE on MSNBC?! *wobbly grin*
Good. So you find Clinton’s answers to the question satisfactory in the presidential debates? It doesn’t advance the cause of ending the war to see a person who publicly asserts that invading was a good idea.
See Christy @ 54.
Gee I really hope not…
Chrisy I agree whole heartedly with you! QWE must must get behind whomever becomes our candidate for president… We can’t afford to have a Rethuglian in the White house… do we want four or more years of these thieves running our country?? I will support who ever is the Democratic Candidate. And All you firepups lighten up… don’t act like tyhe wingnuts… don’t stoop to their tactics!! Enough ranting I want a Democratic in the white house at all costs!
Now that Edwards is out (sob), I’m going with the most electable. I just don’t know who that is.
“McCain will kick Hill’s ass”
Only if we let him.
Most voters do not have a clue about the issues and vote on images, so it is our job to educate them.
In 2004 I spent 3 weeks prior to the election going door to door for Kerry in Florida (I’m from Texas) talking about the issues and getting voters to think about what the election means. There is no other way to do it. We cannot look at politics through our own eyes and say it is obvious that right-thinking people will agree with our candidate. If only they were smart like us, they’d know to pick X, Y or Z. It takes getting one-on-one with the electorate in intimate settings.
That said, there are plenty of people who know something has seriously gone wrong in this country in the past 7 years that needs correcting. It will take all of us to get out and convince them that the Democratic party will address their concerns and correct the mistakes of the past 7 years.
I don’t like the message of bipartisanship at this point in time. These problems didn’t occur because people couldn’t hold the hand of someone across the aisle. What needs to be done is to point out very clearly on a personal basis how the Republican policies have directly affected their lives and will affect the lives of their children. It can be done, but as GWB says, it’s “HARD WORK”.
And I didn’t vote for Kerry in the primary.
OT Froomkin Up “Bush Thumbs Nose at Congress”
And Dog Bites Man.
So many Philly people here ;-) here meaning FDL .. and related sites … like Atrios and Chris Bowers
Yeah, after hitting send I realized just how awful that was….Especially so close to lunch time.
A thousand pardons…….
-G
i’m feeling very sad. i’ll get over it but not today. i’m not going to talk about any more candidates as i’m 0 for 4. it wouldn’t be good for the person i endorse. i hope favoring one party over the other isn’t equally bad luck. let’s just say i intend to vote and it won’t be for McCain or Romney ……
sad.
I guess I hope no as well but “the white flag of surrender” routine is going to be hard for her to dodge.
Thanks Christy for putting up this beautiful photo of John which expresses so clearly the energy, warmth, and passion he brought to this campaign -and to many of us. I feel the pain of many many of you (I can almost see it on Kiddo’s face - though have no idea what he look like). This is mourning time, and Christy, you have helped us think about how to begin to address this. I have my own thoughts, which I will share later on a different thread (Edwards was my high second choice) but know how much I am thinking of you.
It’s a tragedy to see John go. Now, all our potential leaders are pro-corporation. Who will represent the people?
I can only hope that the rumors that Obama would appoint John Attorney General come to be realized.
Mine, too! Happy Birthday, Balrog.
Much has been written about Edwards’ kingmaker role in channeling his much needed delegates to Obama, and using his earned 300-400 delegates for a decisive role in the convention “plank.”
He is obviously a prime candidate for a Veep ticket or a prominent role in a cabinet, but spending time with his wife may keep him understandably away from these.
Just keep in mind that there will be plenty of other campaigns to work on in the fall, if the presidential nominee doesn’t excite you.
I’m as skeptical of Obama’s happy talk as anyone, but it’s misrepresenting things to say his message is “bipartisanship”? It’s “change”, among other things, and implicit in that is that old Republicans are what we have to get rid of.
My point was that it’s the policies that matter, not the body that they come with.
Raven, you are still on that thought track and I tell ya nothing is written in stone.
-G
My daughter sent me an email in response to the media pundits and asked me if she was now black because she sent a contribution to Obama? The pundits said so. I told her given her Mom’s family history, everyone married into the family so she could lay claim to any number of races and ethnic groups. Just pick one when convient:))
Berks/Reading here.
MSNBC has a live feed — right now an empty podium and lots of people sitting outside in Nawlins.
I have a right wing in-law who sends me every right-wing chain email forward. Obama has been featured in a few, but Hillary is the daily star.
Yesterday I got a photo of Hillary standing at a urinal to pee.
It is gonna be ugly.
Is there precedent for naming a VP before Super Tues? Could Obama and Edwards agree to that in the next week, or does that sort of thing wait until the Convention?
Obama/Edwards would be unstoppable.
OK….LOL…good one, will stick with me for a while.
Thank you Christy.
For the post and the comment.
The calculus of this election, at this point, is in McCain’s favor, no matter how you parse it. The Democrats have capitulated to the Republicans since the last election, with the ones previous being the training ground to do so.
We are in a serious period of bandit politics, bandit capitalism.
Well, that didn’t take long. Even as I type, caller ID shows a call from Hillary for President. Didn’t answer. Can’t. In mourning. Apt to be immensely snarky.
This is absurd that it’s a “meaningless metric”. It’s not a “metric” at all. He can credibly claim he opposed the war. Clinton can not and will not.
Implicitly, Mukasey claims waterboarding isn’t torture. Per Marty Lederman http://balkin.blogspot.com/200.....rding.html
See also: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/005177.php
No, I was not particularly pleased with Senator Clinton’s answers on the topic. I was also not pleased with her, Senator Obama’s and Senator Edwards’ answers on Iran either.
My preferred candidate has dropped out.
If Sen. Obama is the Dem nominee in November 2008, I will vote for him.
If Sen. Clinton is the Dem nominee in November 2008, I will vote for her.
I may not be particularly happy with either and will be holding my nose in many aspects, but that is the reality I often find myself in.
Edwards live on CNN and CSPAN1, msnbc at commercial
If the talking heads are still on, that may be a blessing.
Wouldn’t it be great if Edwards came out and said - “Fuck it, I’ve reconsidered - I’m still in this thing!!”
Or am I just exhibiting some psychologically-damaging sort of blind optimism?
In Jane’s own words from her January 20 post - Candidate Criticism: Not a Zero Sum Game(my linky thing is not working):
“That seems to be a schema that is almost impossible for people whose allegiance is to a particular candidate to understand, and thus we’re accused of being agents of a candidate who isn’t on the receiving end of a particular critique. We’re not. We’re trying to shift the whole dialog by shifting all the candidates, using one to pressure the rest.
It may not be what some people are looking to hear, but it is nonetheless both true and necessary in the world of less-than-perfect candidates.”
The netroots has proved that this can be done. We saw it this week with the FISA fight. It can be done. We hold them accountable. The problem here is that John was truly an alternative. Obama and Clinton policies are so similar that it may be more difficult to push either one of them. But we have to try.
People are now clapping and holding up signs
I was wondering about timing on this as well. When do VPs usually get named?
Here comes John on CSPAN in New Orleans.
SmGumby; no rumors that I’ve heard, but I’ll make a prediction:
If we nominate Obama, it will mean that the democratic nominee (and probably the next Commander in Chief) is going to be someone who does NOT have much interest in sustaining the Clusterfuck, and who is not interested in using the american military to cover his ass to give he and the fuckups he’s assembled on america, the chance to get out of town and hand the turd-grenade to his successor.
And that, I firmly believe, will free up a sizable part of our military to do what they did in Vietnam, when they finally stood up to say that lives and money were being wasted in THAT clusterfuck, to no good reason.
And when that happens, it will cut whatever remaining “legs” the warpimps have, right off at the knees.
Here’s the Man he’s on right now!!!…
Gosh, how very astute of him! As a woman in the Deep South I suppose I’m both? (I’m a self-hating woman because my name is spelled with an O… yeah… that’ll work for the mysogyny…) What a tool.
C-SPAN 1, thanks!
Yeah, but that is all these people have left. The Jesus Party is full of the most hateful and dishonest people in this nation.
They are already in full on political rout and their spin machine is broken and the country is heading into a recession and the wars and wars that McCain is promising are gonna need more bodies thrown into the gaping maw.
They are planning on running a campaign on bile and they are going to turn stomachs and they are going off the cliff.
Look at 2006.
-G
hmm, we don’t like bi-partisanship but we are going to “educate” people. Does bi-partisanship only mean working with the other political party in the legislative process or does it include trying to appeal to those who don’t agree with you in the basis of common issues/needs?
Edwards supporter here fwiw. I think Edwards supporters will break heavily for Obama. I am going to be one of them.
Big problem with HRC has always been how weak the Democratic party was during and after Clinton Presidency. Yes the country was moving in a different direction…yes, one man (er, couple) can’t move mountains…but after enough triangulation and Sister Souljah’s you’ve destroyed your base and sold out your basic principles.
Add in the dynastic element and it’s an easy decision.
Uplifting message of change vs. Clinton 2.0 Easy decision.
TPM. A week ago nationally was up 16 over Obama, now the differential is 6 (this from polls before Edwards’ decision)
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/.....points.php
Edwards, to me, was the only one who really represented a threat to the system-but I would rather have HRC or Obama appointing judges than any Republican I can think of.
Obama’s messages are change and harmony. He claims that lack of harmony is the cause of our ills as a nation. The DLC is very happy with him.
I guess it is the ‘best’… we… can… do…
(but we could have done better- we just weren’t allowed)
don’t need a weatherman
Maybe…but you are excusing his votes and giving reasons as to why he made them. The same could be said for just about ANY politician - excusing why they voted for a particular bill at the time (”it would have been political suicide not to vote for the Iraq invasion…or the Patriot act”), or because of their constituency (”I had to take a pro-Life anti-evolution position because my State is largely anti-abortion and Creationist”). Now Edwards didn’t vote that way on some of this “hot button issues” and voted within the mainstream.
Sometimes he was the only Democratic Senator to vote with the Republicans.
And as for changing his mind…what could have done that over the time since he left office?
Sorry, I want a little more substance in the person I support…not 40 votes with the Blue Dogs and none for people like Wellstone, Feingold, Dodd and Lautenberg when they bring forward progressive bills.
Thanks for trying, John. You never got a fair shake from the media. I was prepared to vote for you in CA on Feb. 5.
And he’s SUCH a big pal of Bill Clinton. Remember?
It’s meaningless as he was not in a position to vote either way and has stated he does not know how he would have voted if he had been.
I don’t like the vote she (and Kerry and Edwards and Dodd and a lot of other Dems) made. But remember, those of us who were against the invasion were a smaller minority then than the numbers who still support Little Boots now. There are a whole lot of reasons that I can understand her vote even if I don’t agree with it.
I can’t remember it happening until after a candidate has the nomination wrapped up. Not sure if that’s just some unwritten law or it’s just been working out that way. I’d love for them to become a “ticket” this week!
This comment remind’s me of Larry David’s formula for “Seinfeld”: “No learning, no growing.”.
Edwards is a politician, a good and likeable one. But looking into his heart and asking whether he’s “grown” is not the right way to look at it. The rest of the country, or at least the Democratic constituents he answers to, “grew” enough to let him know that he had to oppose the further occupation of Iraq. Give him some credit for responding to those people (like these commenters), but reserve most for them.
I think a quick answer of “bite me” would suffice.
I am saddened to see Edwards bowing out of the race. I am not so much pro-Democrat as I am anti-Republican, and Edwards symbolized so much that was opposite of the trends established by the administration over the last 7 years. As it is now, I need to decide in short order between the two remaining Democratic candidates. Like many others, I will be relying on a combination of the information available at FDL and other sites, as well as the results of the final remaining debate between now and Tuesday. Georgia allows voting at the polls for 7 days prior to the polling date…I’m glad I had decided to wait until the debate before casting my ballot. I’m leaning toward Obama, but we shall see.
Thank you for keeping the faith, FDL.
Nor has Kennedy. I suspect that’s why many of his former colleagues in the “progressive” wing of the Senate and House really didn’t jump on the Edwards bandwagon. They thought “Where were you when we needed your votes?”
Well, I was hearing the exact same prognosticating in 2006 and those weathermen were standing in the rain with speedos and zinc oxyide on their noses.
We’ll see ‘my friend’.
-G
Thank you for the post Christy
Thank you John Edwards for your message and efforts
I wear baggies.
Hi Pete! Edwards should spend time with Elizabeth… she needs him during her trials ahead.
95% of the postings regarding Edwards here are “Pro-Edwards”. I’m a very real “critical” minority. I saw him as a “moderate” with a populist message. FDL didn’t suddenly become anti-Edwards by any means.
I don’t think it was meaningless. Back in 2002-2003, there were several times just in my tiny little world where people got visibly upset at me for saying this Invasion was stupid. Obama was saying this publicly as a politician. Remember that time. For any politician to be saying that on TV and in speeches was somewhat brave. I do give him some points for that.
((((( John, Elizabeth & family )))))
So sad that Edwards is finally getting the networks all to himself for the first time.
Brendanx@190: Thankee kindly for that cut-to-the chase post about Hillary’s ongoing search for her inner antiwar self. :o)
Someone asked about Obama debating McCain.
May we inquire about the substance of a Hillary-McCain debate?
I think we’d hear a lot of “Me, too!’s” especially as regards Iraq.
Edwards would be a waste as VP. I rather see him as AG then SCOTUS.
I said that a couple of hours ago and you would have thought I endorsed Lieberman.
Watching MSNBC live feed now…What a dignified guy…
Well its all water under the bridge now, shit happens.
Time to refocus on taking our country back from these pig fuckers and get on to the business of rectifying seven years of bad road.
This seems to be the bottom line.
But it makes me a little sad.
Aw, I’m listening to the speech and now I’m getting all sniffly.
Dodd, incidentally, voted for the war.
So much flat farm land in ILL
But it doesn’t seem that “policies” usually matter that much in Presidential elections. With the Kennedy endorsement of Obama, I was trying to remember what the 1960 election debates were about and the only thing I could remember were..Roman Catholic church, Kimoi-Matsu and the Missile Gap. About as useful as Southern Male.
“Do not walk away from what’s possible.”
Thank you, John. That is a good thought for us to hang on to as you move on.
John Edwards reminds me much of JFK for his optimism and faith in the good people of this country… We owe him much for bringing to the forefront the plight of those who are forgotten in this country… Thank you John for all you’ve done for us!
I am also very sad, this is a drive by to say, I will miss your voice on the trail, John. Still can’t decide if I should vote for Obama now.
Busted you have a way of putting things that so few others have… keep up the rhetoric.
I’d point out as well that Edwards was putting out a progressive message and may have realized that this was a voice that was likely to be ignored by many of the mainstream Democratic candidates. I think that he has been a pretty important voice in the South…a non-racist white (unlike the Republicans who use code words nowadays)…who really wanted to improve the lives of the poor, provide better educational opportunities, generally support labor, etc.
That’s why some (and these were a minority…about 5%) of his votes were, to me, quite odd.
Then decide whether you need to vote against Clinton.
What about “who lost China”?
Edwards: I am suspending my campaign.
Hmmmm. Interesting turn of phrase.
We must help hold leaders accountable for the values Edwards espouses.
But he did say he regrets his vote. No hemming or hawing, just that he made the WRONG vote. Hillary still can’t say that.
That was my assessment of Edwards too. I considered him a work in progress and an all around good guy.
-G
P.S. Tom Davis, (R) Virginia will not seek relection.
That is 28 cut and run GOP-ers who are unwilling to repair the damage they visited upon America.
Hillary and Barack are a great disappointment but they are a hell of a lot better than McCain, who is all but promising war with Iran but is a lot better than Romney, who insists that “Freedom requires religion” and would build more Guantanimos.
I have more hope for Barack than for Hillary, whom I expect would govern in a manner quite similar to Bill, whom I tolerated.
I would suggest that both of you go back and read what Jane wrote as a cancer survivor when the idea that John should “stay home and take care of Elizabeth” first went around the media. That’s all I’m going to say.
Hillary call followed by call from DCCC. vultures, all of them. Bite me, indeed! THanks for the tip.
shit. *Now* Tweety gives Edwards credit for the issues he was running on. As in - “Now Hillary and Obama have had these issues thrust upon them, and will have to carry them forward.”
Day late, dollar short, and dim as always, there Chris…
Thanks.
I use Wonder Bread bags with elastics for galoshes. Very chic.
-G
Well, he is just suspending his campaign — I guess that means he’ll control his delegates at the convention. Not sure if he can do that if I just up and quit.
Got a link? I want to cheer myself up by dancing on his (political) grave.
I will let John Edwards comment for me in his announcement.
Hey, we’ll take whatever we can get. It might not be much. It definitely won’t be ‘enough’. But it will be a start. Have to start sometime, somewhere with somebody…
Better sooner than later. Better here than ‘there’. Better ‘us’ than ‘them’. Better not pout, I’m tellin’ you …
We have a very sick way of choosing our Presidential candidates. Given this, it is no surprise that so many of the Presidencies in the last 40 years have been failures. It is a litany of has been politicians.
This also explains why the two remaining front runners on the Democratic side represent so poorly Democratic values. All the real Democrats have either left the race or never entered it. What we are left with is the same old same old repackaged and sold as if new. The next President is likely to be a Democrat in name only. There will be some changes, mostly around the margins. But in terms of what the country really needs, in terms of having a government that really works, that kind of change is not going to happen. Even if Clinton or Obama had a traveling to Damascus moment, they are so surrounded by the politicos, what Glenn Greenwald calls the Very Serious People, that no real change will happen even then.
I missed some of the background here on the “go back and take care of ELizabeth” dealie. My point around that is simply that no one who hasn’t been through it can begin to imagine the strength and courage and daily requirement to manufacture energy that simply isn’t there in order to get out there and do what needs to be done. Even when it is your beloved’s dream, too.
Bout sums it up.
Edwards could prove his genuine opposition to this war, and shape the debate by endorsing Obama and attributing the decision to something like “Obama’s wisdom, foresight and courage in opposing this war from the beginning.”
I wear this shirt a lot:
http://www.bitemelivebait.com/97_polo.html
And if Senator Clinton does come out and say she regrets the vote, she gets painted a “just another weak-willed woman/Dem flip flopper.”
And that is part of the reality and tight rope she has to walk each and every day. She doesn’t get the pass on changing her mind on these things that is given to the men.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/.....ction.html
no one will ever see this downstairs, so I’ll try again:
Here are my predictions- and some speculation.
(Don’t worry Obama people- I’m nearly always wrong about these things… but if I’m right, try to be happy and hopeful.)
John will not endorse anyone- at least until AFTER next Tues- and possibly not even then.
Most of John’s support in the upcoming primaries- contrary to what many of you seem to believe- will likely go to Hillary, and she’ll triumph next Tuesday- with Barack coming in a close second in most states.
Ultimately, Hillary will get the nomination- based on delegates- and Barack will agree to be her VP.
It will then be revealed that John is going to take the reins at the Justice Department as AG (an offer made by Hillary to John during their private backstage meeting after the Myrtle Beach debate?)
So- ultimately- we’ll get all three of them: the administrator, the visionary- and the fighter.
It’s a win-win-win scenario.
Visualize it. Accept it. We can CRUSH any Republican when this team starts working together.
And if all goes well- we can control the White House with these three for the next 24 years.
I agree with you completely. I made the same argument up above about Edwards. This is an important matter of substance. Indeed, it’s the elephant in the room.
Ah jeez - more bad news: Nader opens an exploratory site:
http://www.boston.com/news/pol.....nches.html
(Will the guy not quit? Or, is some Rovian funding him to do this?)
Mrs. Greenspan, strikingly sober today, still didn’t miss a chance to stick the shiv in Hillary for the thousandth time - “Mrs. Clinton also responded to Edwards’ dropping out, but not as passionately or dramatically.” (as Obama)
One thing Mukasey does well, besides being the Sopranoesque Consiligiere for the Addington Cheney takeover of DOJ is to insure that DOJ will remain terminally ill, obstructive, dishonest, and the hatchetman to bury the chain law breaking of this administratin, the DOJ, and all its agencies.
And as usual, Leahy and the rest of the sheep will continue to ask all but the essential questions. They know they wouldn’t get answers anway, so hearings with Mukasey are like a Camus novel.
How about I was fed cherry-picked intelligence based on lies by this criminal regime. I made the wrong vote because I had bad information.
Unfortunately, the Democratic candidate with the best poll #s against McCain or any other Republican is now out of the running. Remember this when we wake up the day after election day to find that Hillary has gone down to a massive defeat, and that the candidate whose platform is “no jobs, more wars” will be our next President.
((((( Christy )))))
Keep reaching and educating the masses … it really is a marathon …
From the Political Graveyard:
McCain, John Sidney III (b. 1936) — also known as John S. McCain — of Tempe, Maricopa County, Ariz.; Phoenix, Maricopa County, Ariz. Born in Canal Zone (now part of Panama), August 29, 1936. Married 1980 to Cindy Hensley. Republican. Served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War; U.S. Representative from Arizona 1st District, 1983-87; U.S. Senator from Arizona, 1987-; candidate for Republican nomination for President, 2000. Episcopalian. Still living as of 2004.
snip
I thought you had to be born in America to be President.
I could live with that.
Hillary V McCain is the best matchup for MSM ratings …
She doesn’t get a pass on it because she voted for the war!
You’re going into contortions to make apologies for her, and, more importantly, you’re not even entertaining the possibility — supported by all the evidence of her personnel, allies and likely figures in a Clinton cabinet (Holbrooke? Ross? Emanuel?) — that she thought it was a good idea and will persist in occupying Iraq. Alan Dershowitz has endorsed her, for crying out loud.
I never fucking said that and that’s all I’m going to say.
Pity we can’t send the elephant to the slaughterhouse. Perhaps there would have been no meat though — I think it’s “rotten to the core.”
I think you have to be an American citizen from birth,
Not exactly the same requirement.
Love the Bite Me shirt! TX.
I could too.
Dodd also supported amendments by Byrd and Durbin to the I AUG to try to contain what the Resolution allowed Bush to do. Edwards (and Biden and Clinton) voted against them
wooblybits, Welcome here. You are correct the important thing is the Supreme Court but out party seems to ignor this even though the other side gets a huge amount of votes on just this one issue.
I believe she has made that statement.
So was 2004 the last year McCain was officially living? Because I thought you had to be alive to be president.
Whether you want my words of defense or not, I can’t stand it when commenters go running to mamma Jane or mamma Christy to score a point against an interlocutor,, and that’s even when they don’t misrepresent what that interlocutor said.
I think the canal zone was America at the time.
-G
You do, but you don’t need a heart, as the last seven years have proven.
My impression was her beef was with how W messed up the war. Not with the war itself.
A refreshing view, now I feel better.
Could McCain be the Panamanian Candidate?
-G
You don’t need to defend Dodd to me. I don’t particpate often in politics with my wallet, but I gave to him.
I’m of the belief that in politics all can be forgiven.
If CrayTrain’s elected, he’ll be sticking it up all our “canal zones.”
*g*
Yeah, I know but still. I’ll look for something else then :))
Correct, the Canal Zone was an American possession until 1979.
Because I thought you had to be alive to be president.
What - are you kidding? Scratch any Republican, and he/she will reveal the belief that Ronald Reagan is still the president of The United States…
Damn! Hugh, when you have a few spare moments from your (hopefully soon-to-be-published, with periodic ‘updates’ of course) ‘List’ you might wish to take up truth-laden commentary in a ‘professional’ fashion. Your comment is too-true to warrant any real, serious discussion, at this time. We have other, more important considerations to address. We need to ‘win’ convincingly enough to avoid the kind attentions of the ‘new’ Supreme Court in the upcoming um, ‘election’.
He’s GOT to be funded by Republicans. So the last 7 years weren’t enough for him? He’s got to crawl out of the crypt and screw us again? [spits]
You think you can’t stand it, imagine how sick Jane and I get of it? *g*
Let’s just leave it as we will agree to disagree. You are jumping through nearly as many hoops and contortions as you claim that I am doing. I have already stated that I disagree with her vote. But I also can recognize many of the pressures that lead her to it. In some respects, she is representing a very large part of her constituency.
And when Senators Clinton, Obama, and Edwards all state that “all options are on the table in regards to Iran” even after the issuance of the NIE de-bunking the “Iran has nuclear weapons program”, then Obama loses the high road that he is morally superior on ME policy.
Thank you for the welcome, sunshine. It has been and remains my goal to convince others that in the end, whether our personal candidate is the nomination or not, we need to keep that thought in the front of our minds.
I take back my objections about Dick Morris, I think the revolting Mrs. Greedspan beats our Dirty Dick on the revolt-o-meter.
-G
Christy…just wanted to say THANK YOU. That is all.
She has said she was misled, but not that she was wrong to vote for the invasion.
Well, since Iraq is now an American possession, I guess Chalabi will be running in 2012.
You don’t have to be born in America, you just have to be born an American citizen.
I think Jane obviously has an important perspective on the issue. That doesn’t mean it applies to everyone in every situation and there is a difference between being in a fight that you have hope to win and recognizing that it’s over. They gave it their best shot, it didn’t happen. If people want to think it would be better for them to continue, so be it. Obviously they didn’t.
She has stated many times that her vote was in the belief that she was giving the President negotiation room and tools to bring Saddam to the table and was not (in her mind) a vote for immediate invasion as a first option.
The actual conduct of the invasion and occupation, while a total clusterf*ck in itself, are separate issues.
Agreed
(from a participant in the aforesaid discussion)
And, BTW I admit to being a bit thin skinned on the topic as well.
And, if your parents are serving the US government while posted in another country you are a citizen. I think.
I think the revolting Mrs. Greedspan beats our Dirty Dick on the revolt-o-meter.
Hey - whatta ya gonna do? When the revolt-o-meter is maxed out and pinned fully to the right, I guess you have to call it a tie.
More and better Revolt-o-Meters!!
It means we all have to get off our butts and explain one-on-one to people how the Republican policies have affected our lives. We should not be promoting the idea that the ills of today are due to not enough reaching across the aisle with those who have opposing viewpoints. People will vote on images unless they get one-on-one face time with someone who can articulate what policies affect their lives. I had pretty good success in Florida getting everyone but the hard-core Republicans to think about the issues. Most folks are not political junkies like us and they really don’t put alot of thought into the voting process.
Thanks Redshift.
Can I still call him Panama John?
Of course she does! But that doesn’t mean people should be going around grabbing her opinion as a club to use unfairly on someone else.
good answer
Ah, it don’t mean nuthin.
My revolt-o-meter goes to 11…
[Edited by Mod]I wasn’t “running to mamma” I was referring to someone who has actual experience with the issue, which I don’t, and which I found very educational when the issue first came up. And likewise forgive me for being unable to see the subtle distinction Raven must have intended between “Maybe he can help Elizabeth instead of wasting his time” and “stay home and take care of Elizabeth”.
[Mod Note; Please do not insult other commenters.]
Ugh…This kind of stuff really pisses me off. The Clintons have John and Elizabeth huge on the front page, making it look like they’ve joined forces.
http://hillaryclinton.com/?splash=1
DAMNATION!!! Yes, the Nation is now damned to get yet another corporate shill one way or another.
As LHP said earlier this morning in a thread it’s time to tune the whole thing out. I’ll show up and hold my nose and vote D. but I won’t like it. And ALL of my political contributions will go to down ticket races. The others don’t need my $$, they have the corporations paying their way.
LOL, er….er….maybe not :-(
Mukasey hearing is back on. C-Span 1.
Would Nader be real change? About a week ago he said he would decide in the next month.
Jimmy Carter says he’s not formally endorsing any candidate, but in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, the former president lavished praise on Barack Obama, calling his campaign “extraordinary”
“Obama’s campaign has been extraordinary and titillating for me and my family,” Carter told the newspaper in an interview published in its Wednesday edition. According to the paper, Carter was particularly praiseworthy of the Illinois senator’s rhetorical skills, comparing them to those of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Carter also said Obama “will be almost automatically a healing factor in the animosity now that exists, that relates to our country and its government.”
Edwards was “done” after NH. If he had fair results in NV or even SC, he would be my candidate on Feb 5. But after SC I let go and will vote Feb 5 for my second choice, HRC. She has worked relentlessly since college on issues that are progressive and important to me. Before deciding, I googled:
Accomplishments Obama
the search came out empty, except his organization of blacks in ILL.
Accomplishments Hillary Clinton
the searched returned lots of information, but this history website summarized all her accomplishments very well:
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2044.html
She deserves to be elected. She’s acted to change policies from the beginning and she deserves my vote.
I’m not for “hope” and “change” without just because someone says it. There is nothing Obama has done to crate change. He is all talk and no substance.
Mukasey hearing is back on. C-Span 1.
Starting out with Cornyn, for those who need a good excuse for being tardy…
You think Edwards bowing out changed his mind?
which leaves out the loss of habeas corpus, non-independent corporate media and banana republican voting fraud at the republican ballot box. and that’s not including wrecking our economy for war and war profits. and all that’s just the beginning.
You know he endorsed Edwards, and now that Edwards has dropped out…
Well, you know the Clintons are back to true form when they descend to stuff tinged with dishonesty. (Thanks Penn).
For some reason I can’t see Carter endorsing Clinton. Just a guess…
Thanks for the warning!
I had forgotten. So, what is his point this time? (or, do I care?)
The only healing that I want to see will come via the Federal Courts and Federal Prisons.
Oboma has a thank you too. I think that’s considerate.
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
Why don’t people grow up? Does making a good speech qualify someone to be prez? (BTW, Obama’s rhetorical skills don’t do a thing for me. MLK at least had something to say.)
That’s it. I throw up my hands in disgust and walk away from the comments when the sniping hits this level of petty and personal. Thankfully, it’s time to pick The Peanut up from the busstop. Try to avoid self-immolation in my absence, people…
With our candidate (Edwards) out of the race, we are now supporting Obama.
I think Obama’s been very canny with this airy, post-partisan talk. I supect — maybe it’s just faith or unfounded optimism, or his stated position on the war — that he’s the real liberal, running as a centrist to pick up independents in New Hampshire, among other things, as well as to position himself for the general election. Clinton, on the other hand, the real centrist, gets labeled, irrationally, as the left-winger for the general; she is just a lose-lose proposition, even after you consider her unforgiveable (not that she asked for forgiveness) war vote.
glad to hear it.
you know- things might not be as contentious among the candidates as the media and the online community
believe.
Lights, cameras, scripts, media manipulation, conflict, intrigue…
It’s theatre.
What really matters is what goes on behind the scenes and in the voting booth.
Clinton/Obama & Edwards ‘08!
(& Hill can send Bill to the Middle East- tell him NOT to come home until he’s got an Israel-Palestine peace settlement. This could keep him occupied and out of the country for at least 4 years- or more.)
I couldn’t believe my eyes, I just turned on my TV, while waiting for my coffee to finish brewing and my jaw dropped and my heart sunk… 8-(
OT
Half a point cut in fed funds rate & also discount rate.
Whitehouse up. It is now safe to turn back to the SJC hearing…
But I…poof!
A word of caution HRC and Obama. Whichever of you becomes the next president, you really need to act like a Democrat. Otherwise you will be a one termer. We want change. Major change.
He endorsed Edwards because the latter is the only anti-corporate candidate. Now he’s thinking maybe he wants to be that person. Won’t be surprised a bit if he jumps in there. He’s as stubborn as an ox.
Sorry, I tried to be reasonable but I’m not taking that kind of shot of anyone. . .except you two.
Shit not shot
Christy
Please take note that I have not commented on this thread out of respect for John Edwards, but, MAN, I really wanted to.
Ah. Thanks.
Who’s “we”? Campaign workers? If so, thanks for you work. Up above I expressed the hope that Edwards would further influence the debate by endorsing, if not Obama, at least his credentials as the anti-war candidate over Clinton.
In response to Bonkers@348:
Hillary really makes my blood boil with this kind of crap, in addition to her victory dance last night in Florida. I live there and many Democratic voters did not vote in the “primary” because they were disgusted with the fact that there would be no delegates awarded. If you have any doubt about this, just look at the raw numbers. In every other primary so far Democratic voters far outnumbered their Republican counterparts. If Hillary gets the nomination, sad to say that this may well be the first time since ‘68 that I will not vote for a Democratic presidential candidate.
Nasty one eCahn! Saying that Obama supporters are childish. Spare me. Is voting record is far better than Hillary’s. He is far less divisive, and will be able to do far more because he won’t have the Rethug shills gunning at him in the same way. Plus Bill will be a major problem both in Hillary’s run for the whitehouse and as president. She has shown herself in his campaign to be dishonest (Nevada), to be nasty, to care more about herself than the party. I for one will have a very hard time voting for her if she gets elected.
I’m gonna push these guys (Clinton and Obama) to be progressive in the coming months. You can count on that.
Jane’s upstairs with a new thread…..
Love the americansunitedforchange.org commerical just shown on CNN.
Hugh, thanks for your (as ever) eloquent summary.
Though Sen WalMart and Sen
Present$ Federal judicial nominees are likely to be less contemptuous of the Republic and individual liberties than any Rethug’s nominees, I have no hope whatsoever that either will risk megacorp donations/corporatist disapproval with Federal judiciary nominees willing to attack the megacorps’ takeover of America and her budget.I’d never vote for a Rethug Pres nominee. I’ll have the “choice” of two corporatist Dems.
So - rather than corporatist nominees who oppose reproductive freedom, should Hillama/Obary win, we’ll have corporatist nominees who support reproductive freedom.
I’m glad the right to reproductive freedom will be preserved - I believe womene have an inalienable right to make decisions about their own bodies.
And in the blasted, toxic, hellish, impoverished next few decades we can expect from corporatist rule, the freedom not to bring future megacorp vassals into being may be one of the few freedoms we retain.
Not necessarily. But voting for the Iraq war and not recanting that vote should disqualify one from being President.
I am sad
They should pay you! Are you campaiging, you would be an asset.
Christy,
Thanks for this memorial. I was an Edwards supporter, and have an Edwards bumper sticker on my car. In part, I blame the MSM for third grade level coverage of the candidates.
But I also wonder if we share some of the blame– we of Left Blogistan. After all, did not both Kucinich and Edwards conduct the kinds of campaigns we progressives have longed for? Aren’t we the “base” of the Democratic party to which they were appealing? Didn’t Sen. Dodd appeal to us as well, with his bold stands for Habeas Corpus, the Constitution and the Rule of Law?
And so, when the history of the 2008 Democratic campaign for president is written, will Hillary Clinton’s judgment that a candidate doesn’t really have to pay much attention to the progressives, because they are full of sound and fury, but don’t deliver? Will that be our legacy?
I’m in mourning for our progressive candidates. I feel like I/we have let them down. How can I/we do better?
Bob in HI
Here, here.
Which means I agree wholeheartly!
Christy….. can’t says that blame you… some people never grow up and some live just to argue and snip others who might just might have a different opinion than their own… they will never grow up and will never be happy in life because there will always be some one “Who can’t see nor understand their point of view… which must be right be right as it is theirs“
Thnak you Christy for all you do and all I know you will continue to do for ALL the firepups…Again Thanks!!
“That’s it. I throw up my hands in disgust and walk away from the comments when the sniping hits this level of petty and personal. Thankfully, it’s time to pick The Peanut up from the busstop. Try to avoid self-immolation in my absence, people…”
Christy,
I just arrived at this thread, and did not read through the hundreds of comments before leaving mine @391. I want you to know that your posts are always an inspiration for me. I just hope we can find a better & more effective way to support progressive candidates.
Bob in HI
I’m available- and affordable too.
I can appreciate you sensitivities in the JFK comparison. But I think the real analogy is 1968 with Edwards as Gene McCarthy, Obama as RFK and Clinton as Hubert Humphrey. Let’s hope that HHH doesn’t end up losing to Dick Nixon as the result of a Democratic Party split over who has the best plan for getting out of Vietnam!
Part of this is a bit naive: Obama is black; it’s going to be nasty. But the other part I agree with, though you understate the matter when you say his “voting record” is better. What matters is that he’s not tainted, fatally, by that one vote for the war. People can speculate baselessly and endlessly about Obama’s motivations or the lack of risk in publicly opposing the war in 2003, but what’s indisputable is that he’s not saddled with the impossible task of trying to explain such a vote away.
Plus he, uh, opposed the war.
jayt January 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
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In response to barbara @ 313
Because I thought you had to be alive to be president.
What - are you kidding? Scratch any Republican, and he/she will reveal the belief that Ronald Reagan is still the president of The United States…
________________
Reagan is still President. He’s just more senile than he was in ‘88 …….
Wonder how many more rate cuts before the dollar implodes…
What I remember of tricky Dick is the bumper stickers that were all over the place! ” Vote for Nixion in 72 cause you can’t change Dicks in the middle of a Screw” Hillary is no Humphrey either, and no Way is Obama an RFK… no way Jose! Obama has never done any of the things that Bobyb did while he was alive!
My grandmother died during the depression attempting a self abortion. Back then teaching birth control was also against the law. Insane the laws men made against women and blacks and mostly did it through the voices of their churchs.
Nader sees no difference in the two parties, he says they are both corporate bought.
Any chance of there being a progressive, non Blue-Dog in that seat?
Looks like Edwards did the math overnight.
[Obama and ethanol} Is it because of all the corn fields in Illinois?
The law says “natural born” generally interpreted as either jus soli (”born of the soil”) OR jus sanguinus (”born of the blood”). It prevents naturalized citizens (i.e. those not BORN as American citizens) from becoming President.
In addition, there is a much ignored “residency status” that can also interfere with this. I think (and I may be wrong here) that you have to hold residency in the US for 15 years. Some people raised that as aqn issue re. George Herbert Walker Bush…his time as Ambassador to China (though the embassy is technically US territory).
I’m so disappointed. I’ve been expecting this but I’m still so vry disappointed.
Not sure who I’ll vote for — maybe I’ll toss a coin.
Thank you Christy, for your fine tribute. I’ve spent most of my adult life as an advocate fighting against poverty (including, at times, my own … part of the territory in social service for nonprofits).
I certainly understand why so much skepticism abounds about Edwards, though I echo those who said he’s the first Southern candidate I ever felt fully supportive of.
I understand why some of his progressive Senate peers harbored suspicions about him, yet I think they too often forget the legacies of other political leaders who evolved due to personal tragedies and political mistakes. He is more progressive than Kerry now and has been willing to shed some pragmatism in pursuit of ideals, which is to me, the mark of a real leader. Taking risks to pursue what’s right, I fully expect him to continue to do much positive work in the years ahead.
I’m additionally sad we won’t have Elizabeth as First Spouse, too, as she’s one of the brightest and most great-hearted ever, certainly comparable to Betty Ford and Eleanor Roosevelt, imo.
I consider Obama to be an untested candidate and I worry about Hillary because I believe she was a great progressive from the age of 18 up till her move to Arkansas to marry Bill. And her evolution since seems to be the opposite of Edwards, moving more to the right and towards corporatism. That reminds me of the direction Kerry went over his career and I do not think much of Senate comity when the majority of America’s working folks and marginalized get abandoned in the deal.
So, I’m sad. And cynical. But the one thing that keeps me from screaming and complete despair is the knowledge that there’s good folks like you and numerous commenters carrying on the fight for social justice.
Towards that end, I ask everyone to carry on what Edwards’ legacy has become. Be kind. Reach out to the lonely, sick and despairing. Every day.
You and I can continue to change the world for the better and we must.
Oh, Kevin…that was just lovely. Thanks.
If you want to judge Edwards by his senate record dont leave out the bills that he either wrote or co sponsored..( sorry for the format, thats how I got it)……….. Sense of the Senate for funding lifestyle research for preventative medicine, Sense of the Senate honoring National Science Foundation, Sense of the Senate to preserve six day mail delivery, designating “biotechnology week”, Children’s Internet Safety Month, Joint Resolution against excessive campaign donations, to protect the civil rights of all Americans, Bi-partisan Campaign Reform, Restrict access to personal health and financial information, Establish a Center for National Social Work Research, provide more effective remedies for victims of sex discrimination in work, provide incentive for fair access to the internet for everyone, require fair availability of birth control, increase the minimum wage (’01), protect consumers in managed care programs, emergency relief for energy costs to small businesses, prohibit use of genetic information to discriminate on health coverage and employment, provide families with disabled children to buy into Medicaid, eliminate the loophole for interstate transporting of birds for fighting, provide funding to clean up contaminated land, informing veterans of available programs, Designating part of ANWR as wilderness, establish a digital network technology program, reduce the risk that innocent people be executed, restore funding for Social Security Block Grants, provide for equal coverage for mental health in insurance policies, amend Clean Air Act to reduce emissions from power plants, establish uniform election technology (sponsored by Dodd), extend modifications to funding for Medicare and Medicaid, Federal Funding to local governments to prosecute hate crimes, reinstate certain Social Security earnings exemptions for the blind, overhaul RR retirement plan to increase benefits, Establish a Nurse recruitment and retention program, amend FDA to provide greater access to affordable pharmaceuticals, Establish African American Museum within the Smithsonian, Federal funding for research of environmental factors in Breast Cancer, Increase hospital benefits under Medicare, Establish Tariff Quotas on milk protein imports, Federal funding for mental health community education, protect patients in managed care plans (again), establish Office on Women’s Health in HHS, increase the minimum wage, allow media coverage of trials, prohibit racial profiling, improve health care in rural areas, protect consumers in managed care plans, prohibiting trade of bear viscera, provide greater fairness in arbitration of motor vehicle franchises, provide adequate insurance coverage for immunosuppressive drugs, provide financial assistance for trade-affected communities, acquisition and improvement of child-care facilities, prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, establish programs to deal with nurse shortage, establish a National Cyber Defense Team to protect the internet’s infrastructure, provide services to prevent family violence, require criminal prosecution for securities fraud, reissuance of a rule on ergonomics, ensure safe pregnancy for all U.S. women, improve investigation and prosecution of rape cases with DNA evidence, improve national drought preparedness, increase the minimum wage (yet again), assistance in containing HIV/AIDS in foreign countries, emergency assistance for small-businesses affected by drought, child care and developmental block grants, provide economic security for America’s workers, enhance security for transporting nuclear waste, FEMA hazard mitigation grants, increase mental health benefits in health insurance, criminal prosecution for people who destroy evidence in securities fraud cases.
Is this the record of a corporate appeaser? Is this the record of someone just loafing about and collecting a paycheck?
Funny what you find when you read a little, isn’t it?
As I said, Edwards wasn’t a preferred candidate…I thought on the grounds of his record he was less dependable in standing up for his beliefs (there ARE some really horrible votes in those 40 that go counter to what he says are his current beliefs). But that said I would have voted for him if he’d won the nomination because of his 95% of votes that were with the Democratic caucus. Plus he gives a really good speech about progressive values, and he is - like any of the Democratic candidates- far, far, far better than ANY of the Republicans.
Wow, sunshine! That was alluded to be the reason our mother died when we were born (twins). Fortunately, my younger sister married an ob/gyn who examined what little records avialable (1937)and disabused her death allegations.
Christy, thank you for offering a ray of light at the end of a very dark tunnel.
Even if I disagree with posters and commenters on issues, I always appreciate what you all do, day in and day out.
Please give The Peanut a hug from me, too.
-S
Actually Obama is the only one of the three that has NOT said “all options are on the table” WRT Iran. Edwards said that at Herzliya and Hillary at AIPAC. But Obama definitely said he favored negotiations and has never said “all options” are possible as a response to Irans nuclear programs.
I so wish there were even that shallow reservoir of personal history to allay my deep suspicions of her corporatist allegiance.
If Hillary was a great progressive at the age of 18, I shudder to think what an awful one would have been.
This is a very sad day. We’ve lost an opportunity to get a better government that responds to the real needs of the public and our nation.
I’ve cheered on Senator Edwards campaign and I feel terrible about this turn of events. I sincerely hope anyone else who has taken the ‘risk’ of supporting Senator Edwards can move on without hating what this campaign has wrought. We must be brave and fight as well as we can for Progressive values and candidates. I don’t feel so energetic about it right now, but in time I know it will be easier.
It should be recognized, despite the end of the Edwards campaign, that the agenda has been pushed and many candidates have accepted it, including some of the potential solutions Senator Edwards advanced. This is a small victory. It hasn’t always been easy in the past to force the Establishment to recognize the importance of the Agenda we (and events) have set. This year it’s pretty clear to all and sundry that ending our occupation of Iraq, health care reform to provide care to everyone regardless of wealth, reforming No Child Left Behind, providing better higher education opportunities, ending our dependence on oil for gasoline, cleaning the air of carbon, returning tax policy to sanity, fixing the crazy mortgage loan crisis, repairing New Orleans, continuing to raise the minimum wage, reinvigorating the union movement and many other of the Edwards campaign policies aren’t just whimsical choices of a candidate who didn’t previously talk to these issues, but are the Agenda both Democrats and Republicans must address in the coming administration. There is no choice.
For this I thank Senator Edwards and his family!
Never said that he was loafing…his absences relate to certain “difficult bills” and his campaigns.
Be careful of the Titles of the bills he authored (and in general). Often they were not supported by progressives or presented because they were alternatives to bills submitted by progressives. One has to look at who the bill was co-sponsored with and who supported it and alternatives on the table.
Not that it matters anymore except for historical accuracy but please take a look at the 40+ bills where Edwards voted AGAINST the bulk of the Democrats and joined with the Blue Dogs and Republicans.
Some of these make perfect sense from the perspective of a North Carolinian Senator (for example his stand not supporting the base-closures bill; or his vote to waive the use of tobacco tax revenues to be used as an offset for the Medicare Prescription drug benefit). His opposition to the regulation of firearm sales over the internet in 1999 (he was one of 6 Blue-Dog Dems to join 45 Republicans to block it).
But when you review those 40+ votes where he actually voted differentially to the bulk of Democrats he doesn’t side with a progressive minority…he voted with a Blue-Dog group and the Republicans.
Kirk, I thought that, too, but her Goldwater days preceded her 18th birthday and despite her initially moderate Republicanism afterward, the things she fought for in college grew ever more progressive.
I only became more knowledgable about her recently after reading her Wikipedia bio. Once she was First Lady in Arkansas and the White House, it seemed her progressive direction got lost, or at least, her actual accomplishments.
DLC frontloaded the process to make it impossible for an outsider to
break through… Republican Lite is their preferred brand.
I tend to think that the pressures of compromise in the Presidency and Senate tend to result in almost all politicians “making sausage”. But what I find discouraging is the fact that some candidates don’t get criticized on the same basis as others…when in fact they are douing the same (or very similar things).
On this site Edwards got a free ride for his past votes, especially Iraq, simply because, when the war was showing signs of being an abysmal failure and he was about to start his Presidential campaign that needed progressive supporters…he apologized.
http://projects.washingtonpost.....286/votes/
I’m sorry, I didn’t support Edwards in 2004 when he was basically playing the McCain position (”My vote to rid the world of Saddam was right…it’s the manner the war is being fought that’s wrong”)…I supported Howard Dean. I supported Kucinich in this round of the primaries and wished that more people who really progressive would have rallied behind him. So my mourning happened several weeks ago.
lol. Good reply. I agree that Obama is no RFK. (RFK is one of my very few political heroes.) In fact Edwards carries the same message as Bobby - i.e. West Virginia coal miners and the displaced of NOLA today & in ‘68 it was was poor whites in Appalachia and poor blacks in Mississipi.
The point of my analogy was that in ‘68 McCarthy was easily the most anti-war candidate, RFK entered the race much later (after Johnson declared he wouldn’t run)as the “unifier”, and Humphrey was the lock, stock and barrel candidate of the Democratic establishment. (It’s not that big a jump to say that the Daley machine equates to the DLC machine of today.) Regardless of my own beliefs that RFK was one of the truly “good guys”, he did in fact need to co-opt some of McCarthy’s support - something Obama will now have to do in order to even have a chance. And Humphrey didn’t get in until afterthe tragic event of a California primary night. So my initial reply is in many ways a somewhat weak metaphor. But it does help to explain the circular firing squad that is evidenced by where this entire thread has headed. The Democratic party was splintered for a long time by the Vietnam travesty. I just hope we’re not headed there again.
You weren’t negating the truth of my statement, I hope.
I agree with that analogy and I do hope we don’t have the Democratic party splinter… Thats why I will support whom ever get the nod at the convention… We cannot afford to allow the money grubbing asses in power ever again… They have screwed the pooch in my book… let them eat cake for a change!
even tho i am late to this thread, i must voice my profound sadness that john edwards has dropped out.
i hope that after a deserved rest, you find someplace to put your vast experience, great mind & huge heart to work for our country - so that we can all follow & support you there.
thanks for all you have done. sending all the best to you & elizabeth
- mh
now hillary gets to see more clearly just how many people here in ny are against her becoming president
CinnamonApe@420 calls Edwards out for changing his mind about the war after he saw it was “an abysmal failure”, while having jackshit to say about the fact that nearly 5 years into the clusterfuck, Hillary has YET to apologize, and he has noting to say about the fact that she was TOTALLY on board with the surge, until the mid-term polls brought out her anti-war instincts.
Ape, you’re showing us at least as much of a double standard in your posts against Edwards, that Hillary’s been showing for the past five years.
One more time. Here your candidate:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....0694.shtml
Let us know when she stops chasing after rightwing support, if it happens, at all.
BTW, Cinnamon. Hillary Clinton is NOT “far, far, far, better than any republican”. She’s a little bit better, but since she’s the only chance they have to win this election, and since she has kissed rightwing butt more than Edwards and Obama put together, we shouldn’t even be talking about supporting her, as long as we’ve got Obama.
And, just to cap off THIS round of track-record-examining, here she is, plugging the moonies.
Bon appetit, y’all.
http://realsunmyungmoon.blogsp.....tegic.html
Kevin, I sure hope that is the case.
However, the same Wiki page reports she was born 10/26/47 - so she may have entered college at 17 but was 18 within one month.
When I read HRC was canvassing for Goldwater in ‘64, I’m not seeing anything to indicate she’d changed her views the next year.
Did she step down from College Rethug chair?
Yep - but she stayed a Rethug through the ‘72 Rethug convention.
And though Wiki today asks us to believe:
Oh - the source for her purported anti-war conversion described in the Wiki text?
Why - HRC’s own 2003 biography….the souce of citation 20. And citation 8.
I don’t see how someone who supported Goldwater as a 16/17 year old, ran for College Rethug Chair as a 17 (or 18) year old, served as College Rethug chair as an 18 year old, and was so deep in with the Rethugs she attended the ‘72 Rethug convention - as a 24 year-old….
After four years of Nixon’s Vietnam War.
Two years after Kent State and Nixon’s invasion of Cambodia.
I don’t see any data (other than a pol’s autobiography) to assert, much less conclude that HRC
I can easily see how it is expedient for HRC’s biography and campaign machine to tell you and me and other progressives of her purported credentials…but the facts of her political participation up through age 24 are wholly inconsistent with her purported progressive nature.
PS - I do love the spin in this bit of the Wiki entry:
OK - so the wikians who massaged HRC’s entry want us to believe that her decision to:
a) leave the jurisdiction where she failed the Bar
and
b) move to the jurisdiction where she passed the Bar
was a decision to leave the place where her career prospects were best.
Hmm - by Wiki standards, if I fail New York’s medical licensure, yet obtain licensure in Arkansas…and then I move to Arkansas to set up a practice, I’m leaving the place where my career prospects are best.
Ah, Wiki. Ah, campaign staffers. Got to hand it to ‘em - they know how to spin.
Again, I hope HRC grows the progressive core she failed to evince from age 16-24.
The same progressive pre-Arkansas core she presumably throttled when Marion Edelman accurately predicted the welfare “reform” the Clinton WH pushed would beggar poor kids. The same core that allowed her to maintain public silence about her fervent opposition to this regressive legislation? The same progressive core she had to stifle as board memebr of the virulently anti-union, anti-labor WalMart?
Poor Hills - so repressed for all these years.
But as soon as she wins election, she’ll show the “real” Hillary?
Sadly, I believe she already has - age 16 through today.
Solidly behind the corporatist party and US military aggression around the globe - willing to keep silent while the poor are discarded for political triangulation.
Nevertheless, I hope you are correct.
But between Obama and Clinton, “Hope” appears to have been sadly devalued.
And I agree in total with your reply. I will support either Democratic candidate just to see the reaction of the Marie Antoinettes on the other side. Thanks for the civility of your discourse. Let’s hope it wears off on others. :)
you got that right!
Sorry that he is dropping out after FLA that was not a campaign election. I wish he could have gone into Super Tuesday.
I feel now that policy is dead in this election and that there was a media assasination on him starting in Jan/Feb 2007 (almost no stories) and continued as required.
If the D’s don’t get it together I will abstain in 2008 and just move out if the R’s win. After watching SICKO yesterday I am glad I tuned out of the nonsense but was just sick enough to puke.
“we are losing a fierce and committed voice for change and for justice.”
Christy, I am really worried that we are losing “the voice for change”, not “a voice”.
In all honesty I will likely support the Democrat, but I don’t do pledges anymore. Already looking at the MSM stories of the day it Sandbox time and there is now no adult to ring the recess bell so people can come back into school and get educated. I for one could use some spelling lessons.
I will not forget when Robert Kennedy decided to rejoin the presidential race and delivered his famous speech at the University of Kansas on March 18th, 1968.
Go read it herehttp://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/RFK/RFKSpeech68Mar18UKansas.htm:
This speech will make you think of John Edwards…
I quietly hope John makes a similar decision as he listens to the remaining candidates over the next month and he does not hear a voice for the “folks left behind.”
He was looking good in Ohio…
The Democratic party has long been the champion of the downtrodden and folks in need. Although we have sadly forgotten that obligation to the least of these our bretheren the last few years
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I think it goes beyond this, the party is no longer the party of the people or labor. There is one uni-party that is down with corporation and taking billions of dollars with things like HMO and Prescription drugs, printing money at the Fed like water.
Note above I use “a voice” meaning a leader. Grass roots could be king, but the media is up for the task of taking people out and setting the agenda (and when that fails real assasins, ex. JFK, MLK). I will be quite keen to see if should Obama make it if he actually goes anywhere with the drop-in-the-bucket items that he has touched upon (campaign finance reform, government spending database, etc).
I will not forget when Robert Kennedy decided to rejoin the presidential race
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anything is possible, but he would just be giving away delegates on Super Tuesday. That and the fact that he tried a number of stories and policies - even finally that he was most electable in the general and it barely registered a few seconds on TV. He also does not have all the DC lobby money.
I’m still voting for Edwards in my primary. Obama and Hillary will have to win the nomination without my help.
I would like John Edwards to have the opportunity to give voice to these essential concerns on the United States Supreme Court.
Justice Edwards has a very nice ring to it.
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That will be the day. The only people who get on the SC are the ones who love big biz, the only difference being if the want to allow things like flag burning and civil rights that should have been granted in the previous generation.
I’m really sad that John Edwards has withdrawn. After the last election, he began a process of change. It was clear that he had learned a lot from the 2004 election. He got a chance to see the people of America close up. He began to study the problems they faced, and he looked more closely at himself and his positions. The changes he made in his policy views grew out of this period of self study. I don’t care about his prior record. When he talked, you could hear conviction in his voice, a voice formed the same way every lawyer presents the case of a client: by listening and studying, and by giving the client real presence in the courtroom, a presence that the judge must take into account in decisions.
Edwards was that voice for the poor and the middle class: the victims of the Republicans.
I really wanted to vote for him, and I may do so anyway.
Thanks for instead trying to turn it into a “let’s bash the Clintons” or a “let’s bash Obama” thread for everyone who has done so. Class acts, all.
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If Edwards was not there to challenge them where would we be? I like to bash them both and hope that they will move a bit more progressive - instead it seems that they just consider anyone that does not support any Democrat to be a Looney Lefty.
Some of the old “bulls” needs to be targeted as well as they
tend to indoctrinate new members as to how to turn a deaf ear to the people who have just elected them.
There has been much discussion about Endward’s giving voice to the poor. But for me, what was most outstanding was that Edwards was a mighty voice for labor. We haven’t heard that in a long, long time. I didn’t hear Obama or Hillary say they would appoint a Secretary of Labor who would uphold the right of workers to organize, who would appoint members to the NLRB from labor backgrounds, not members in good standing of National Association of Manufacturers or the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or promise to be the best union president in U.S. history. Maybe they said it, but I missed it. And it’s unfortunate that so many labor union leaders rushed like lemmings to the poll leaders instead of standing up for the candidate that best represented their members’ interests. Edwards understood the best way to help the working poor is to help them organize and drive up the cost of their labor in relation to the profit margins and return on equity of their employers. Our economy is out of balance because there has been since the passage of Taft/Hartley a relentless, legal and illegal, assault on the right to organize, the right to collectively bargain, the right to a fair contract, none of which we have had for far too many workers. I believe Edwards would have done something about that.
May God bless you John, Elizabeth and your entire family. You tried, but not enough of us would listen.
Now, we may be looking at (on the Rep.side) John McCain and Huckabee as VP, oy vey!
Without John Edwards, I have no one I really like to vote for! Maybe all the independents could get it together to vote for John (where he is still on the ballot) or do a massive write-in vote! He is my hero in this war on big corporations! And again, a voice for labor. (to echo mediamaven).
Does any one think that John might run as an independent? A third party?