January 2008 – Update on Iraqi Casualty Data
Further survey work undertaken by ORB, in association with its research partner IIACSS, confirms our earlier estimate that over 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have died as a result of the conflict which started in 2003.
Following responses to ORB’s earlier work, which was based on survey work undertaken in primarily urban locations, we have conducted almost 600 additional interviews in rural communities. By and large the results are in line with the ‘urban results’ and we now estimate that the death toll between March 2003 and August 2007 is likely to have been of the order of 1,033,000. If one takes into account the margin of error associated with survey data of this nature then the estimated range is between 946,000 and 1,120,000.
You would think that would bother a person.
“I must tell you, I’m sleeping a lot better than people would assume.”
- George W. Bush
H/T Lenin’s Tomb
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EPUEd to Beerfart Liberal and all ny and fl and all who fear 911iani :
He is already written off. by MSM, but also by Floridians. Try this article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01…..f=politics
And Mr. Giuliani — who as mayor once told a man who called in to his weekly radio show to protest the city’s ban on pet ferrets that “there is something deranged about you” — called Monday for an end to the “name-calling” in the race for president.
Monday was the first time in the campaign that Mr. Giuliani had allowed the traveling press to fly with him. But the crowds at some of the airport rallies were so small that it might have been more efficient to fly them to the candidate, instead of vice versa.
He is mad, that is, insane. He will go away madder, too. But not go away entirely So what’s to be done about this evil magalomaniac is the FDL word, I believe, coined by I forget. See below. Shorter me. If it is going to happen, we will have to do it.
Will he suffer for going on the greatest fool’s errand in political history? Up to his clients for motivational speakers.
Will he be more vulnerable to the Kerik fall out? Up to the DOJ.
Will he be a laughing stock in NYC? Up to the capacity of Yankee fans who like to seek out vengeance to boo and namecall and to the tabloids. (Full disclosure here, I an BlueStateRedSoxHead, but do not think that Yankees s**ck. Their fans do frighten me.) But they do the scandals and not the serious underpinning evil madness.
Will she leave him now that the ladder of upward social mobility has cracked, in good part thanks to sex on the city, that is her? Who knows? (Did anyone notice in the videos how bad she was at the spouse on the campaign trail thing or how much they had clamped her down?)
Will the vengeful unjust and corrupt acts that he committed as mayor know be known outside of NY and not forgotten? (as per NYT last week) Up to us, the progressive blogosphere. So keep those NYT and Village Voice articles bookmarked. And keep an eye on Josh as he keeps an eye on him.
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oop. formating lost in the transfer. Rules require that I quote they nYT
Monday was the first time in the campaign that Mr. Giuliani had allowed the traveling press to fly with him. But the crowds at some of the airport rallies were so small that it might have been more efficient to fly them to the candidate, instead of vice versa.
Give him a break when he say:
“I must tell you, I’m sleeping a lot better than people would assume.”
- George W. Bush
He has been a sleepwalking drugged up sock puppetwired to speak by the thing on his back we saw in the debates, except when chopping brush or biking or talking about Baseball or reading to kids. And oh yes, the Heck of a job thing. That was Bush awake.
The model for what Junya has done is Texas… no one bothered to come
down here and talk to people about his brilliant record as governor.
The rest of the country has had a taste of Texan competence that should
hold them for some time if we survive it. Wingnut phrase stuck on stupid
was a huge freudian slip, don’t believe me, come on down and check for
yourself.
i’ve been plagued by insomnia since before summer. that’s probably why this statement of bush’s makes me despise him even more.
Bad manners. Forgot to say atta’ boy Attaturk and top of the Iowa morning to you. I really love your posts and am fast on the finger to post here.
It’s work time in the BlueBayState. It’s been fun and healthy venting. Leaving the lake for the Bay. See you all late tonight.
have a great day BSRH!
Help. I have to vote today. My heart says Edwards. My head says that if Hillary is the nominee, we will have the
nastiest. campaign. ever.
Obama was the first candidate to step up and cast his no vote against cloture yesterday. I would like to believe that means that we progressives can get through to him when it counts. I am bothered by the corporate money and by his choice of Lieberman as his mentor. I still am tempted to vote for him because of the momentum he seems to be gathering and because he polls much, much better than Clinton against McCain, who also appears to be getting momentum.
I know we Florida Democrats count for nothing this time, but it seems that the result still will be factored in by voters next week.
Obviously, with Bush now topping the million mark in dead brown people, the choice we make this year literally has the fate of the world riding on it.
Saw that in the last thread. Thanks. His campaign just has a grey cloud over it. i want him to just go away because he’s fucking up the weather. I’ve seen it hapen to candidates before. Nobody – nobody – is p[aying any attention to a single thing he’s saying.b To the extent Giulianni gets any coverage, it’s always how he has plummeted in the polls. As you probably know, I detest the guy but from another perspective the coverage of him sucks and he’s just another victim of bullshit msm coverage. Edwards got similar treatment-nothing about what he’s saying. Just “Are you going to drop out? Why not?”
I just want to see the Bastard put on trial for these crimes.
Is that so much to ask?
Just a few war crimes trials…
That’s all.
Now is not the time to rest. Warrantless wiretapping, retro-immunity, and basket warrants are STILL in great danger of being passed. We merely gained a little breathing room yesterday with the failure of cloture but there are still enough traitorous Dems in the Senate to quash the good amendments to the PAA (removing retro immunity, killing basket warrants) while passing exactly what Bush wants (again).
It is NOT time to let up. The Senate must continue to be pounded with calls, faxes, and emails demanding our 4th and 5th Amendment rights (warrantless spying on Americans violates the 4th Amendment on its face but also guts the 5th Amendment on protection from self-incrimination). We must ALSO shift some focus to the House of Reps. Assuming (as Glenn Greenwald does) that the Dems in the Senate will STILL end up passing a Cheney-approved anti-American spying bill, the House is the last bastion of liberty. They must be pushed to stand resolute in conference – NO retro-immunity, NO basket warrants. The House is the ultimate bulwark here.
Odd, actually. The Senate is supposed to be the more reasoned, steady, and careful body while the House is supposed to be a barely controlled rabble. In this case, at least, it is the opposite. The Senate is trying as hard as it can to give away ALL our basic liberties while the House is, so far, standing firm.
No time to rest people! Back to the barricades!
Neither my heart or head gives a good goddamn about this election and I’m sitting it out. While that puts me in no position to say anything, I will anyway. Vote your heart. The head thing driven in part by writing off edwards as a sure loser and irrelevant? Probably not. You don’t strike me that way.
p.s No on Prop 1.
BFL,
Should we call Nelson’s office today and at least thank him for not voting yes yesterday on the first cloture motion? I’m beginning to think that his sitting this one out was the very best we could hope for from him.
Lowell George wrote Junya’s epitaph years ago, … whiskey and bad
cocaine will get you boy, drive you insane… he’ll show up on an
episode of COPS some day, helicopter shot of a white pickup going
the wrong way on a toll road, wired up looking for a place to twist off.
this is where my poor reality-obsesssed brain just won’t shut up…why is it that the word “genocide” is not used, loudly, widely, and most of all, in a legal sense, in regards to the now one million (one MILLION!) dead in Iraq? I fear that until that’s addressed, nothing else has a chance of “changing”.
Hey Praedor
Duvall wasn’t a Marine in Apocalypse, 1st Air Cav.
That’ll teach em, better yet why not write in Nader?
Yeah. I didn’t see that vote. he didn’t vote ’til the end did he? If he voted late, the cloture vote was in the bag and it would have been safe for him to vote yes and look like a tough guy on national security. if he voted late and voted no he actually found some ppriciple and followed them. I’m gona thank him. Especially if he was a late voter. I don’t know where he’s going on this down the road, so I think it’s important to thank him and let him know those kind of votes matter.
I’m a registered Democrat but i suppose I coulsd write in anybody i want. Pat Paulsen anyone? Steve Colbert?
Jim,
I think you already have come to a conclusion in what you said, and I think you are right on the issue of the real contentiousness of not only a Clinton campaign but also potential presidency. We have so many things we need to get done to try to clean up this Bush mess, both nationally and internationally, it would be great to put as much of the past political rancor behind us and bring (where possible) moderates (and liberals) of both parties to enact legislation that will help us achieve that. Plus with Obama’s speaking ability and reach across so many different sectors of the U.S. I think he will be able to move Americans to insist on enacting core legislation. I don’t see Hillary (and Bill) able to do that without getting clobbered from the right at every turn.
I just voted for John Edwards. As a woman, I hated to not give it to Hillary but her & Bill did support Lieberman so….
you mean this primary or 2008?
He literally did not vote yesterday on either cloture vote. The results are here: http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00004
and here: http://www.senate.gov/legislat…..vote=00003
I think it was pretty cowardly of him to sit it out, but I will still thank him.
There are a lOT of words we should be using. Torture, as opposed to “enhanced interrogation techniques”. Ethnic clensing, instead of “creating refugees”. Genocide, instead of “sectarian violence”.
It makes it easy for the people who want to believe we’re the good guys in this one…and for the people who know we’re the bad guys, but don’t care.
Boxturtle (And Desperate Last Roll of the Dice, as opposed to “surge”)
OT. But (again) what is up with the NYT. Today and yesterday all we heard (saw from them was crickets as regards the FISA vote (in contrast the Boston Globe had pretty good coverage both days). Why do the corporate types at the NYT not want their readers to know about these key constitutional issues that are at play. Oh wait, I know. Advertisements Hmmmm. Is is more than that?
Later. Back to work.
Could it be most people don’t care?
A low Dem voter turnout will/might(?) teach ‘em: Don’t take away all our delegates because of what a republixcan legistaure does. The republicans didn ‘t even do that. The republicans have been all over this state. No Dems. Does Howard Dean think that’s good? Give Iowa and NH special treatment and fuck over MI & FL, two of the largets electoral prizes. What the hell is the matter with the DNC? And I’m supposed to go along with that bullshit and get my ass out for an election that means squat? Thank you, no. i have no civic durty to do that. My party has a civic duty to give me an election.
Oh yeah. Not the general. No way. I’ll be back.
Ah…couldn’t remember (so I qualified my “marine” with a question mark I believe). The overall theme still stands however. His rolls in movies have apparently caused self-brainwashing so that he is a Rethug.
Okay, sit out the presidential primary, but please, please go cast your no vote on Prop. 1 today. If these morons strip even more funding from our infrastructure, we’re going to see some pretty serious consequences pretty quickly.
Roger that
Buncha maroons
Might do that. Gotta vote for Buddy, too. (Is that what you call ”snark”? I’m not up on this blogger lingo.)
amen!
as soon as democracy now! is over (9am et) i’ll get on the phone.
- no immunity
- no basket warrants
- minimization oversight
Silly wabbits.
Is Rudy Julie Annie confident about “his win” in Florida, because he, Jebby Bush, and possibly Katherine Harris have been behind the scenes with those in power of the state of Florida to steal it for him?
Could be.
I had 3 very sleepless nights from Fri through Sun, but bush doing the SOTU put me to sleep last evening… and for the rest of the night!
Yes, it’s disgusting that this man has so little care or concern for anyone other than himself that he simply sleeps “like the baby he is!”
Wait a minute, Jim. If i do tat, it’ll still count in the tuirnout numbers and that’s the reason I wanna sit it out. then again. they can do the math and see how many people voted in the primary out of the total Dem voters. I’m leaning to it now. Prop 1 is terrible. I could go on and on, as I’m sure you could, but what you said really says it all. Our infrastructure (and schools and other things) suck and it’ll only get worse. But, hey, we’ll have a new arena and refurbished stadium.
here’s another legacy
LOL. Harris is a toxic rodeo clown.
Yes. And yes to the overall theme of rewarding steps toward progressivism wherever we find them.
Lieberliar on Imus this a.m. touting McCain, said he couldn’t vote for Obama.
This is a transcendent election. I’m a longtime Edwards supporter, but I’m drawn to Obama, too. Yet according to the MPR survey online, my views are closest to Clinton. [okay, that likely turned on a single question it was that close] There are so many harbingers of another 1968…will we be so divided at the end of the primary process we cannot win?
One thing I do know, I will vote. I will vote Not Republican. The stakes are too high. And I rsvp-ed the Edwards appearance in Fargo tomorrow.
~ Prairie
An Other George
From an article about yesterday in Mosul
Soldiers refused permission to photograph the ceremony, saying the pain of the sudden loss of five comrades was too great, and that not all the families had been notified.
“President Bush should be out here watching this ramp ceremony to see what it is really like,” said one soldier, who asked not to be identified.
“The people who created this war need to be thinking about the families of these 18-year-olds who are dying.”
Retarded chimps have no cares. They really only experience the here and now, and when they are filthy rich retarded chimps, their here and now experience is the equivalent of Louis XIV’s comfort.
Then again, the AG is his camaign manager. But still. I don’t think anybody can save Rudy.
Ok ok I said i was gone. but i have a sec. to answer a plea for help. It’s hard for a BlueBaystater to read the FL situation, given the delegate issue.
But my sense is whoever the candidate and in full disclosure, my candidate until the general is unity in the progressosphere through civility and reasoned debate, we want Democratic voter numbers to top Repub ones. We want youth and retirees. all shades, all genders. and transgendered.
That’s our surge, our we are too many in too many places to have our vote stolen, weapon. We are one and united GOTV.
that’s it folks. gone.
What’s the title of Kurosawa’s Hamlet … oh, yes, “The Bad Sleep Well”.
Now my head is really hurting. I actually agree with Bobo’s column this morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01…..ef=opinion
Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama means a lot to me.
What can one say?
One can say, “War crimes tribunals”.
I thought you were gone.
Glad you stuck around to for that. Appreciate it.
I hear you, Raven. I remember back then sitting on the back stairs with a VietVet at one of our college Immediate World parties…and listening to his broken words talking about what he had witnessed, what his buddies were suffering…
And now we have these Pukes–Bush, Chee-knee, the whole we cut and ran so we can tell you not to now crowd–and it is appalling that our country has come to this.
In November, I will vote. Feb 5 I will vote.
Nah, they have lots in there (today) people do not care about. Besides, I usually come in on things with my dark glasses on. :-)
great minds.
Vote for Edwards! For once, someone is at least saying the things we say here every day. So what if he can’t win. At least you aren’t forced to vote for the lesser evil this time. You can vote for him with a good conscience. That is my vote on Feb. 5, for sure.
Yes. And, worse, I agreed with Kristol’s yesterday. The world has gone mad! I think they realize a Dem will win (considering who the rethugs have running), that the Bushies have made the world a mess, and that we need to come together in some way to try to fix it. Plus, watching Billary over the last two weeks cranking it out was just too much torture for them to even contemplate another 8 years of them.
O/t -
“Attorney general accused of hampering probe of department’s politicization”
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/…..033/NEWS01
I have a co-worker whose son just got out of the Corps after his tour in Iraq. He’s pissed at the war and pissed at people who diss the US. She is really worried he’s going to hurt himself or someone else. These folks are going to be in a world of hurt if the perceive, like we did, that they we suckers and chumps. This shit has only just begun.
Thought you might be interested: More headspinning on Bobo: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..220/445244
I think they’re also underreporting US soldier’s casualties through all sorts of tricks and outright lies. Both killed and wounded.
http://www.birf.info/home/libr…..penta.html
But by Dec. 8, 2005, the military had evacuated another 25,289 service members from Iraq and Afghanistan for injuries or illnesses not caused directly by enemy bullets or bombs, according to the U.S. Transportation Command. That statistic includes everything from serious injuries in Humvee wrecks or other accidents to more routine illnesses that could be unrelated to field battles.
Yet those service members are not included in the Pentagon’s casualty reports. That’s odd. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a casualty as “a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment or capture or through being missing in action.”
“We don’t do Webster’s,” Jim Turner, a Pentagon spokesman told me in 2004 as I was reporting on counting casualties. In a written statement, the Department of Defense told me that the casualty reports describe casualties to fit the “understanding of the average newspaper reader.”
Oh, it would be very easy to vote for him if he were calling daily for impeachment and for war crimes tribunals. That’s what I want to see. He is making a good case for some progressive causes, but he isn’t going all the way.
You are so right, Raven, and it’s only just begun for them.
And, dare I say, when he was in Congress, Edwards’ record on things such as bankrupcy was not all that good.
Sleep well, Little Boots. Your stay in the Bush Wing of Hell will be long.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Emergency Management Agency manipulated scientific research to play down the danger posed by formaldehyde in trailers issued to hurricane victims, according to an investigation by congressional Democrats.
art.fema.trailers.jpg
FEMA “ignored, hid and manipulated government research on the potential impact of long-term exposure to formaldehyde” on Katrina and Rita victims now living in FEMA trailers, said a letter written by Democrats on Monday.
I want so much to do something but I know better. I didn’t want to hear shit from anyone but my peers and they are the same way now.
Good morning from Scottsdale AZ. Here on business & watched the SOTU w/Repub relatives. They turned sound off after a while, made fun of Condi leaping to her feet to applaud & giving the stink eye to those who didn’t, & generally gave me to understand that @ least two of ‘em are voting Dem this yr, since “McCain is doing a lousy job & Romney’s a liar.” Oookayyy.
My former brother-in-law in particular is still seething over losing Paul Charlton as USA here to “that _____ Rove’s bullshit.”
You have to stop & savor moments like these, & I enjoyed myself tremendously last night listening to them.
I did vote, for Edwards and against Prop. 1. Then I stopped for a cup of coffee where I tried to engage a few people in a dicussion over the issues. Thank goodness that the airheads I encountered were not registered. They didn’t even know that today was the Florida primary! It was depressing to hear a woman say she watched the 60 Minutes segment about the FBI agent and Saddam only to have her belief in the war reinforced. When I left I told her to be sure to vote come December.
Powerful, Attaturk.
F I S A hearing STARTS today 10AM if you did’nt know
http://www.cspan.org/watch/ind…..iveDays=30
C-span watch live
Has anyone heard any speculation about Edwards as AG in an Obama or Clinton Administration?
Here’s W’s legacy in the health area:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01…..bQJ6ULHT6g
Vote with your heart in the primary – your head inn the general.
Wow! Is the world coming to an end? Bobo and Matthews making sense within 24 hours of one another?
Thanks for the link. That was a very informative analysis that I would not have seen.
Thank you for that ray of sunshine. :-)
No need for the FDA! The Free Market will solve it! *g
Why is MSNBC still pimping Guilliani so hard? He’s been done for weeks now.
Good morning pups! Florida election day, should be exciting.
what makes me sick is,all the WAR CRIMINALS/MURDERERS congratulating each other in such a cordial fashion in there 3,000 dollar cashmere/silk blend suits and 250 dollar ties…………….wretch
OK< more of a limb here. I am STILL PREDICTING a HUGE Guliani win in Florida. They still got those electronic voting machines humming down there, right? </p>
Thank God they got rid of those awful hanging chads that could be recounted and replaced them with machines that nobody knows how they work.
Good morning from Scottsdale AZ. Here on business & watched the SOTU w/Repub relatives.
The Manning family ladies & Gentlemen! ;-)
Welcome. Scottsdale is the heart of Repubville around here BTW ;->
I do so hope that Romney takes Florida. Do NOT want even a remote chance that the crazy warlord McCain will get within sniffing distance of the White House.
With the Democrats of the Senate, you could be sure that any and all wars that McCain would find pleasure in would be rubber stamped. They might even have an immunity bill all ready to go to pre-approve immunity for all the crimes that McCain would commit while in office!
THe machines are set to go Rudy only if he promises Jeb the VP spot.
And wouldn’t that be a dream ticket for us!
Sleep well, Little Boots. Your stay in the Bush Wing of Hell will be long.
and crowded…
chimpies REAL LEGACY …of course is the shredding of this document,which means we are not a nation of laws…but powerful corps,and rich families….we are SERFS
http://www.archives.gov/nation…..nscription
Then thank your lucky stars you are only visiting. *g*
It’s time for Julie Gerberding to be fired, FIRED! no resigning privilege.
2nd wretch of the day
should i tell ya about Jeb?
I am biased, but, I think it is more likely with Obama, since Billary is in the corporate massage part of the party, along with Rahm and Schumer. Obama is more with the Kennedy, Kerry outsider group.
LOL. Hey, this is Flori-duh. You can vote in December here.
Gerberding has nothing to do with FEMA. She’s at CDC.
Funny thing here: I live in a gay neighborhood. All the gays are supporting Hilary. I guess we straights are supposed to believe they like her….um, hair?
So funny cuz in Illinois the gays ALWAYS support the closeted gay candidate, NO MATTER HOW RABID RIGHT WING/REPUBLICAN. We had a high Illinois state elected official who was closeted but a terrible Republican, who got there support.
In the Gov’s race a couple races ago, we had a semi-conservative, downstate Dem (who was basically an honest guy but not so pro-gay) running against a real Rethuglican crook later convicted for, basically, stealing. (George Ryan — he’s now in a country club prison in Wisconsin.) But he was pro-gay so, guess who the gays supported? I mean, c’mon.
i have always figured that would be the result!…using and abusing young people(Foley etal) is the repukes trademark
Only here.
And dont ya worry about those FEMA trailers, am sure the Chair of Senate Homeland Sec. Comm will be all over that ;)
i guess this makes sense
How can you tell? He never SAYS anything but “lets us transcend the old politics of division”. To me, that is distressingly close to a call for “bipartisanship” which means: regressive tax laws, continuing war, continued lack of regulation of corporations. It means “don’t make waves”. It means mush. Flavorless mush. It means status quo but without the acrimony (or with muted acrimony).
I ain’t buying that. I don’t WANT that. I want ROLL BACK. Roll back everything the GOP has inflicted upon us these last 10 years. ALL of it. You can’t do that via “bipartisanship”.
They are not in Scottsdale, the Giants are at a secluded ranch getting over the flu.
but Hill isnt for rolling back any of the lunacy either
this LYING sack of steaming turds is being EXTREMELY well rewarded too..
MURDERING LIARS is a very high paid profession
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag…..8;ito=1490
yes, I was refering to their part in it.
CDC Supressed Toxic Trailer Warnings
sorry if I wasn’t clear about that.
Agreed. I don’t see JRE as AG in any Clinton administration, but can you imagine what he might be able to do in an Obama administration, particularly if the Dems gain a larger majority in Congress?
As I said at the top, war crimes tribunals.
I know. That is why I am not “enthused” (to put it lightly) about either frontrunner.
We can look forward to 10 years (at least) in Iraq with Obama OR Hillary (who hearts the surge, by the way). We can look forward to, at best, a mere expiration of the Bush rich people’s tax cut, but no real repair of the tax system to make it progressive again. We can look forward to MORE drug war shit. We can look forward to MORE nonsense about a “war on terror” (and all the evil nonsense that goes with it). We can look forward to NO correct fix for our healthcare problems (Wisconsin and Washington state both have the correct fix: universal healthcare without for-profit health insurance companies – both Hillary and Barack will likely scuttle those plans with an unacceptable for-profit, forced coverage plan for the masses).
Neither will truly fix what ails us. They will merely stretch out the process of dying by this country. Nothing more.
one must use all their faculties to change this dreary picture
Thanks for all the help this morning, Firepups. I will keep it all in mind as I head to the polls in a couple of hours.
I can’t vote. Tell you later.