The Senate schedule today is listed as follows:
10:00 a.m.: Convene and begin a period of morning business.
Thereafter, resume consideration of S. 2248, the FISA Amendments Act of 2007.
There are rumors about backroom negotiations between the GOP and Dem leadership wherein the GOP is offering consideration of some amendments -- some at a 50 vote margin, some at a 60 vote margin, and some not considered at all. Mitch McConnell is again working to cover Dick Cheney's ass while disrespecting the oversight and restraining role of his own balance of powers duties in the Senate -- not exactly trustworthiness in action. We'll be watching along with everyone as events unfold this morning and bring you updates as we get them.
In what may be my most amusing moment in the FISA fight, the Heritage Foundation wet their Depends because Americans stood up in droves to say "enough!" to the lawbreaking disrespect of the Bush Administration and the rubber stamp obeisance of the Republicans in the Senate. And Congress heard their message loud and clear.
Oh, the humanity.
Yes, my friends, the Heritage Foundation finds the idea of everyday Americans standing up for the rule of law and the principles of balance of powers and civil liberties to be "hysterical." If you ask me, it's simply patriotism, pure and simple, but then my mission in life isn't providing cover for Dick Cheney's behind.
But, don't take my word for this fight being the patriotic one. Take Bruce Fein's:
...In other words, it is the mental inclination of spies and the intelligence community to overreach because their job is to gather intelligence, their job is not to weigh and balance privacy interests. Privacy interests that Justice Louis D. Brandeis characterized in Olmstead v United States, the right to be left alone, the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by civilized men.
Now, this committee was told by the attorney general on February 6th that we can all be assured because NSA professionals are deciding who is and who is not sympathetic to al Qaeda, that only the culprits are targeted. But the whole purpose of the fourth amendment, the whole purpose of FISA, was to have an outside check on the executive branch spying because of the inherent tension with the desire of the professional to get the maximum intelligence and the desire of the American people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects. That is the reason why FISA was enacted and why it has demanded such scrupulous conformity over the years.
The argument is made that the authorization to use military force somehow overrode the FISA statute. On its face, it is preposterous, because the theory that the AUMF authorized the president to undertake anything pertinent to collecting foreign intelligence also meant that this committee and this Congress silently overrode the prohibitions on mail openings, on breaking and entering homes, on torture, cruel, inhumane, degrading treatment of prisoners, and to do all of those things in silence on its face is laughable.
Bruce Fein, former Reagan DOJ official isn't enough? Try a slew of national security professionals courtesy of the ACLU:
David Kris, former Associate Deputy Attorney General dealing with national security issues for the Bush administration, 2000-2003 (“Legal Rationale for Spy Program Question,” Associated Press, 3/09/06)
“Claims that FISA simply requires too much paperwork or the bothersome marshaling of arguments seem relatively weak justifications for resorting to constitutional powers in ‘violation of the statute’”
...
Christopher Pyle, a former intelligence officer (“Checking big Brother,” American Prospect, 1/20/06)
“Whatever their excuse, one thing is clear: These domestic spies are eager to add to, not subtract from, their files and lists. If a suspect shares your name, you are likely to be stopped at the airport, rejected for employment, or denied a security clearance, over and over again. Unfortunately, there is no way to correct such an erroneous file, because the files are secret. And, even if the files of one agency could be corrected, the files of the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of other agencies on the network would still be infected. Years later, when the network is queried, the original error will come back as a hundredfold ‘truth,’ simply because so many agencies believe it.”
“The time has come to scale back this bloated system, before intelligence analysts drown in trivia, before the reputations of decent citizens are destroyed, and before the sheer scale of the spying intimidates Americans from ever questioning their government.”
There are reasons restraint is written into the law and why third party oversight is essential. The capability to surveil is an awesome and intrusive power, one that the state must exercise with care and always balance with some outside oversight as to whether there has been overreach. Otherwise, there is substantial risk of politically and personally directed abuse, which brought about the original FISA laws in the wake of the intelligence community being used to feed the Nixon Administration's rampant paranoia.
National security must be balanced against civil liberties concerns. Otherwise, we are merely another police state whose allegience is to the rampant whims of a unilateral executive rather than the steady application of the rule of law.
This nation was founded by citizens who put their blood and their property on the line to fight for freedoms enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. We owe the Founders more than superficial lip service -- it is our duty as Americans to stand up for the rule of law and for liberty.
(H/T to The Long Goodbye.)
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starts @ 10 am c-spam 2
Good Morning: Thanks for the update. Gives some relief for the crap we heard last night
Wow the first time .i’ve ever beed ZED
Outstanding post, Christy.
Good Morning Christy!
and thank you.
Good morning Christy!
Morning Christy! Great work this week!
how absurd
if only culprits are targeted they would have absolutely no issue with someone there to make sure
it is immanently obvious suspected “culprits” were NOT the only people targeted
So are we all calling again today? Who is good to start with? I’m thinking maybe McCaskill again, carrot and stick, Salazar, same, kudos then a whack on the back, Inouye maybe? Specter again.
Digg It!
according to the CEO of Qwest communications…they were ILLEGALLY wiretapping from the gitgo,and as we know they ignored the EVIDENCE….BINLADDEN determined to strike in USA…..so will somebody ,anybody …ask why they need to keep up the bad work?
I take that it should be “Convene and begin a period of mourning business as we say goodbye to the Bill of Rights.”
I am with Glenn Greenwald on this issue. The Senate is loaded with sewage and that sewage, in spite of the hissy fit vote against cloture yesterday, will likely ram through a FISA bill with retro-immunity AND basket warrants. The traitorous Dems that voted against cloture yesterday were merely miffed that the GOP tried to prevent them from getting political cover by “considering” and then duly rejected the GOOD amendments before they pass the bill that Cheney wants.
The House of Representatives is the bulwark that needs our close attention. They must be “encouraged” to NOT cave in on retro-immunity or basket warrants in conference.
The Senate cannot be trusted to do its duty to the people and to their oaths of office.
Don’t care about FISA?
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Wal-Mart announced Tuesday that it will chop prices between 10 to 30 percent this week on groceries, electronics and other home-related products in an effort to keep its cash-strapped consumers excited about shopping.
This is one of my proudest moments ever. Our effective push for the rule of law has freaked out the wingnut-o-sphere. Boo yah!
Thanks everyone for all the calls and the FAXes — this one is for you.
Because we’re still here. We are the “terrorists” they really fear.
and we also know they were illegally wiretapping long before they percieved any theat at all
what a bunch of maggots
they’ve been stealing our information for the purpose of power and profit, that’s the only reason they refuse to allow someone to make sure they are not
im still hoping and praying,while faxing!
Good Morning Christy,
Many thanks to you and Jane for your leadership on this issue.
Many thanks too to Chris Dodd who forged the way.
Morning, Christy…
So, before 9/11 when the illegal spying on Americans began, they were actually looking for Al Qaeda sympathizers? How did that work out in preventing a 9/11?
Liars and criminals. Everyone in the intel agencies and everyone in the Bush Administration. I’d be happy to see the CIA, NSA, and FBI purged and rebuilt from scratch. We are safer without them for a while than with them, ALL itching to label us unAmerican and see us waterboarded for our anti-GOP political beliefs.
you have all to be proud about…you have pulled the green curtain back,and exposed the great OZ
Oh, and do click through on the ACLU link above — I quoted two national security folks — but they have much, much more at the link.
Yes, well done.
THUGGIES ALL
Can’t agree with your phrasing, JimWhite.
Christy has the money quote:
We are the ragtag band of American revolutionaries taking back our country from the Redcoat Turncoat Neocon Ideologues who have given their
bestworst effort to destroy us.It is not even CLOSE to over. A LITTLE breathing space is all we gained. The forces of darkness are even now planning to vote NO on all the good amendments to the FISA bill and ensure that Bush and Cheney get the unconstitutional domestic spying bill they have dreamed of.
Cheney is literally on a mission to render EVERYTHING Nixon did (or wanted to do) legal and the norm.
Who said it was over?
As it should be. You guys are an inspiration.
why cannot one congress person…say this…they HAD THE INTEL…they DID NOT use it
I wasn’t accusing you of claiming it was over. I was just pushing for the fight to continue unbroken.
No one can really sit back and rest on this…and the House is really critical here.
Your phrasing works for me.
Easy now you are approaching the truth and accountability wall, danger lurks.
it shows you how enormous their profits are…where i live thir groceries are the same price as my organic market…Walmart sukks eggs imo
Not only did they not use the intel…they deliberately went out and cooked their own contrary intel. That is the double-whammy.
Radio news as we were heading on morning errand rounds: big ticket items rose sharply in the fourth quarter, it’s good for the economy and BushCo [my paraphrase].
My immediate thought: yeah, deep discounting and off-shore profits for outsourced manufacturing
Mr. S’s take: they’re lying. Again.
That Moneywatch piece about the hard lessons of the run-up to the 1929 crash resonate strongly these days.
Actually, both houses of Congress are critical, but the House really is a stop-gap. If folks can continue calls and FAXes to their representatives (as in ALL elected members of Congress should get contact on this) today to urge (1) no retroactive immunity, (2) adherence to the rule of law, including no basket warrants and full minimization procedures, and (3) full debate of the issues — I’d really appreciate it.
someone has to phrase it that way…and ONCE AND FOR ALLTIME kill the meme Republicans are STRONG on DEFENSE
We specifically avoid Wal-Mart. We specifically choose any and all stores OTHER than Wal-Mart for our groceries and other items. May not be as cheap but then we are happy to NOT serve Wal-Mart’s anti-labor practices and its environment-harming ways. We also refuse to support their business practices of intentionally targeting and undermining any and all local stores, etc.
Morning Christy, you and all the pups are heroes.
they have been really sticking it to the consumer here…i know their PRODUCTION costs are teh low,they do NOT pass the savings to the consumer here
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to get us off track.
i could not watch these out of touch millionaires in their thousand dollar suits,coiffed hair and 100,000$$$$ smiles…congratulating and kissing each other last night how repugnant
http://thinkprogress.org/?tag=State+of+the+Union
yea…but one most post the truth here imo
it is immanently obvious suspected “culprits” were NOT the only people targeted
That depends on the definition of “culprit.”
I say 100% of the public is a suspect, ergo, “we only target suspects” is naught but a mesmerizing reassurance.
On the subject of Senate plans, we may know in a few minutes the general tenor of Reid’s scheduling approach.
probably wouldn’t hurt to make a few more calls today.
and total bull kakkkkkky
in fact their intel was PRESICE
thery knew when, where, who, the weapons, the method the targets
intel like that is almost impossible to have and yet this adminsitration stood down
Senate gavelling into session — prayer, Pledge of Allegience, Tester presiding at the start of the day today.
Reid says morning business for one hour, leader statements, then some negotiations as to what will happen after that morning business period expires…
BUT NOBODY frames it that way…..why bother spying …to NOT go after suspects……..arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh its so insane
This was new news to me and I visit here often. So I ckd wiki and you are correct except for it was a “former” CEO. This is Watergate all over but on a much more extensive scale. Shocking the MSM ignor this.
“Former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, who was convicted of insider trading in April 2007, alleged in appeal documents that the NSA requested that Qwest participate in its wiretapping program more than six months before September 11, 2001. Nacchio recalls the meeting as occurring on February 27, 2001. Nacchio further claims that the NSA cancelled a lucrative contract with Qwest as a result of Qwest’s refusal to participate in the wiretapping program[7].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest
there must be some amendment(s) that the Rs are scared to death to let come up for a vote if the vote requires a simple majority to pass (vs the 60 vote majority they are trying to get).
i know that is why i pull my hair out
Reid going on about the PAA expiring unless they do something today to get an extension.
Joe Lieberpud says only John McCain(Peace Be Unto Him) can keep Israel safe from Iran.
Vote McCain for one more war!
-G
Add a separatist to the mix. And it’s not even my country.
Reid is giving the GOP the right to choose the duration of the extension. 15 days, 30 days, 18 months, he says.
Dodd can filibuster a short extension, because it would be a new bill originated in the Senate, and he can object to its being taken up. The only thing that can get by an objection is the House-passed bill.
Blue Texan has a new post up already? It’s about a “Stunner Brewing in Florida” if it’s really there yet? They’ve fooled me before; are they fooling me again?
McConnell now whining about it having been 6 months since they started working on the PAA extension. (Perhaps he should have thought of that before he became Mr. Obstruction yet again.)
he needs to be bitchslapped badly
mcconnell is a lying snake.
McConnell is in full petulant mode this morning. I’m hearing there is no agreement on how to proceed as yet, so you all will get news as I get it.
Suspects appropriate for warrantless spying (according the Bush/Cheney and the GOP - and, sadly, too many Dems): Quakers, environmentalists, progressives/liberals, peace protesters, reproductive rights activists, immigration activists, worker’s rights advocates.
Looks like Reid hanging tough?
for our DEMS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jM5U_Q018s
Oh maybe not, “we’ll agree, you decide”
Reid’s setting good groundwork for divorcing retroactive immunity from searching authority.
excellent!
unless mcconnell wants to capitulate.
yes. i’ve wondered why they didn’t do that before.
Reid saying the big hitch in this is retroactive immunity — serious concerns about this from a number of Senators. Why not have a public debate on the issues involved? Why GOP stifling debate? Why not extend the debate so that we can talk about the issues involved on this?
Durbin interrupts on the votes on this. Goes through the cloture motion on SJC bill, then the McConnell cloture vote. Durbin says they need to put their heads together and work this out — extending the law so that there is no damage to the country is reasonable. Why don’t the Republicans and the President want to protect our country? Why do they keep refusing if they say this is in the best interests of our nation?
Reid says they could see the train wreck coming, but the GOP refuses to cooperate on real debate.
Hi Christy. Thank you so much for this update.
Great post/thread. WRT the spirit of standing up for the rule of law, I posted this just a few minutes ago at the bottomm of one of last nights posts:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Hist.....Kansas.htm
It is RFK’s speech given at the University of Kansas on March 18, 1968. This speech is what I think the honorable gov. from Kansas should had quoted from last night and address the change that the University of Kansas brought to a nation during that election year. The country was very much where we are now in terms of conflict and confusion. RFK pinned down the true spirit of America in this speech and it brought a standing ovation and the student reaction to RFK’s speech moved the nation. A post on this speech and perhaps a visit from RFK Jr. would make for a great post on the Lake…
Enjoy reading it…It will make you WANT TO DO MORE for our country…and you are doing so much presently. Many thanks.
Reid - the issue is retroactive immunity
that’s clear
Durbin says they need to put their heads together and work this out — extending the law so that there is no damage to the country is reasonable. Why don’t the Republicans and the President want to protect our country?
—————
he flipped the script good!
Dodd can help in the current environment, by refusing to agree to a GOP short term extension. That would create situation where the shortest extension possible is the 30 days extension that will emanate from the House later today.
Reid’s capitulation to let the GOP choose the duration of extension is a weak point in the debate.
if it just sunsets …isnt that a win also?
Reid: If anyone thinks we are going to come to an immediate agreement on all these amendments, it’s just not going to happen.
DORGAN: This is a complicated and important issue, and it takes two sides to compromise. Says McConnell saying they are ready to move forward and tired of delays — the delay has occurred because the GOP has blocked the ability to offer amendments and have real debate. It’s on their heads — the reason for the delay is that the GOP insists on blocking debate.
Dorgan is correct too, that the delay last week was on account of GOP objection to taking up amendments. It was a stupid parliamentary tactic by the GOP, the poison amendments would have been defeated on votes.
The usual fascists.
-G
…so who put Matt Drudge in charge of the logic behind our intelligence gathering machinery…?
Durbin is being disingenuous. The Senate did NOT reject the judiciary’s bill. They tabled it to prevent it from even being considered. REID purposely selected the Intel bill as THE base bill when he had freedom to choose the Judiciary’s.
They are all being disingenuous. VOTE on the Judiciary bill, UN-table it and actually vote on it.
all the dems so far need voice coaching
They need a delay so Kennedy, Obama, Clinton and others can be campaigning. FISA? Fourth Amendment? Just a bother.
Normally it WOULD be a good thing but with this Senate and with this batch of Dem Senators, it would simply be impetus to quickly pass a Bush-Cheney bill “to minimize the damage”.
Who CARES if Bush signs or vetos?! LET him veto (or fail to sign). It is HIS fault if the terra-ists kill us all in the meantime.
I DESPISE that goiter bag McConnell (that is a goiter bag…that thing he calls a chin).
yes
Can we be so lucky as to have this damn bill go off into the sunset, never to be seen again? Will reid and mrChao let this bill die?
The Senate did NOT reject the judiciary’s bill. They tabled it …
Under Senate rules relating to legislative business, the two (vote to table vs. not obtaining a majority to pass) are exactly the same. A tabled matter is supposed to be killed, as in not to brought forth under the same bill for reconsideration, e.g., as in under a different amendment.
I want to hear debate about retroactive telecom immunity on the floor. So if it IS so important, why not let the Repugs explain on the Senate floor “why its vital to our national security” and then let the Dems respond.
Why not? Because they know they will lose the debate.
I agree 82 - Let Pres veto…
My emphasis.
I guess that must be part of their oath of office too, right on top of keeping Americans safe from terrorism. I’m sure it doesn’t say anything about the Constitution though.
Christy has a new post up
That would be my fervent prayer. Off into the sunset.
Tool Martinez invoking OJ for cripes sake!
Y’know, for the entire time this debate has been going on, I have yet to see any Republican acknowledge that there is a difference between the way intelligence agencies gather intel and the way that law enforcement agencies do so and that those differences are hugely consequential for ordinary citizens.
Sure, we can “have a debate about safety vs security,” but we’ve already had that debate!!! It was called the 2006 mid-term elections!! Guess how that turned out?!?! That’s right! The Republicans lost!!
there must be some amendment(s) that the Rs are scared to death to let come up for a vote if the vote requires a simple majority to pass (vs the 60 vote majority they are trying to get).
The 60 vote supermajority thing-a-ma-bob can play either against a single amendment, or a group of amendments, or the bill as a whole. It has both delay/timing elements, and pass/fail elements. The tools that force this are available to both sides, equally - that’s an important principle to keep in mind, that both sides and all senators have the same parliamentary tools.
My intuition (flawed as it may be) is that there are 60 Senators who will agree to retroactive immunity. Figure out the crossovers in that bunch, and target them. Otherwise, the only thing going on right now is delay and drama. And count on it, those supposed fence-sitters (the ones who WILL vote for immunity, but want some bullshit cover such as first voting against it, see, e.g., space-cadet Nelson from Florida) welcome the drama because it adds confusing noise and facilitates their backroom agreement with retroactive immunity.
reply on next thread.