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	<title>Comments on: Dick Cheney Telecom Amnesty Bill Liveblog Day II, Part III</title>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/29/dick-cheney-telecom-amnesty-bill-liveblog-day-ii-part-iii/#comment-1236422</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; In response to  phred @ 290&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My understanding is that some comments shouldn’t even be made in jest as not everyone can understand the humor, even if there is a smiley face attached.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with this. Remember, these are not private conversations. People who are not familiar with Firepup conversation style drop in unannounced, and have no idea who knows who, what the “in” jokes are, and may not even have any idea what a “troll” is. Stuff that we consider banter may be taken at face value.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> In response to  phred @ 290</p>
<p>My understanding is that some comments shouldn’t even be made in jest as not everyone can understand the humor, even if there is a smiley face attached.</p>
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<p>I agree with this. Remember, these are not private conversations. People who are not familiar with Firepup conversation style drop in unannounced, and have no idea who knows who, what the “in” jokes are, and may not even have any idea what a “troll” is. Stuff that we consider banter may be taken at face value.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; In response to  Raven @ 241&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Al Quieda has retreated to the Horn of Africa, like the one’s that killed 5 GI’s yesterday?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the hell does that mean? *G*&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It means more wild spinning of truth into oblivion. Before our invasion, the entire Al Qaeda force in Iraq could have held a meeting in a phone booth. Now they’re all over the place. “On the run” means “they have enough sense not to congregate in large numbers anywhere.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its all doublespeak.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> In response to  Raven @ 241</p>
<p>    Al Quieda has retreated to the Horn of Africa, like the one’s that killed 5 GI’s yesterday?</p>
<p>What the hell does that mean? *G*</p>
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<p>It means more wild spinning of truth into oblivion. Before our invasion, the entire Al Qaeda force in Iraq could have held a meeting in a phone booth. Now they’re all over the place. “On the run” means “they have enough sense not to congregate in large numbers anywhere.”</p>
<p>Its all doublespeak.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Holt should have been made chair of Intel instead of Reyes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a-fucking-men!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that he wasn’t is, to me, evidence that the people making the decision were not that concerned with competent intelligence oversight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Holt should have been made chair of Intel instead of Reyes.</p>
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<p>a-fucking-men!</p>
<p>that he wasn’t is, to me, evidence that the people making the decision were not that concerned with competent intelligence oversight.</p>
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		<title>By: kdh22</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdh22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup. And, sometimes you (meaning we the people) just don’t win. It’s not fair, I know. While some of us were up in arms about inconsequential things, ‘they’ were behind the scenes quietly but effectively dismanteling the peoples’ rights and basically creating a quasi-dictatorship. If you can look at it from outside of it (I realize how hard that is!), without any emotional investment, what ‘they’ have done is remarkable…in a sick, twisted, hitler-like kinda way. I don’t like what I’ve witnessed, but it is what we have to deal with now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. And, sometimes you (meaning we the people) just don’t win. It’s not fair, I know. While some of us were up in arms about inconsequential things, ‘they’ were behind the scenes quietly but effectively dismanteling the peoples’ rights and basically creating a quasi-dictatorship. If you can look at it from outside of it (I realize how hard that is!), without any emotional investment, what ‘they’ have done is remarkable…in a sick, twisted, hitler-like kinda way. I don’t like what I’ve witnessed, but it is what we have to deal with now.</p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
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		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thx…. its a lil clearer lol - if they would only speak in more people friendly terms we’d be the better for it…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thx…. its a lil clearer lol &#8211; if they would only speak in more people friendly terms we’d be the better for it…..</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh, I agree; just didn’t want to engender any misperception that it still didn’t hurt. We have all, as a collective, enabled this, despite a few of our strenuous objections (i.e. people like are here), and ultimately we reap what we have collectively sewn.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that’s what they mean when they say that elections have consequences!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh, I agree; just didn’t want to engender any misperception that it still didn’t hurt. We have all, as a collective, enabled this, despite a few of our strenuous objections (i.e. people like are here), and ultimately we reap what we have collectively sewn.</p>
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<p>I think that’s what they mean when they say that elections have consequences!</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Praedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s fine but how do you even go about that if you cannot acquire any evidence (and the Congress has gone out of its way to deny you access to any evidence) that they are spying on you?!  That is the entire Kafkaesque nature of this shit.  They are violating everyone’s 4th Amendment rights but you cannot prove it because the evidence is secret and will not be released to courts…and courts therefore deny you standing because you have no proof.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s fine but how do you even go about that if you cannot acquire any evidence (and the Congress has gone out of its way to deny you access to any evidence) that they are spying on you?!  That is the entire Kafkaesque nature of this shit.  They are violating everyone’s 4th Amendment rights but you cannot prove it because the evidence is secret and will not be released to courts…and courts therefore deny you standing because you have no proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/29/dick-cheney-telecom-amnesty-bill-liveblog-day-ii-part-iii/#comment-1236317</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course.  Someone called Reid a maron.  I tossed in idiot and imbecile to cover the i.q. scale some more.  I forgot cretin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.  Someone called Reid a maron.  I tossed in idiot and imbecile to cover the i.q. scale some more.  I forgot cretin.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/29/dick-cheney-telecom-amnesty-bill-liveblog-day-ii-part-iii/#comment-1236314</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Holt should have been made chair of Intel instead of Reyes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holt should have been made chair of Intel instead of Reyes.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed; and boy did I misunderestimate (great Bushism) how lame Reid was.  Here I was arguing he should not play a political stunt as opposed to just doing the right thing.  He outdid himself and managed to pull off accomplishing neither.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed; and boy did I misunderestimate (great Bushism) how lame Reid was.  Here I was arguing he should not play a political stunt as opposed to just doing the right thing.  He outdid himself and managed to pull off accomplishing neither.</p>
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