At some point millions can be moved and relocated easily.

Our republic was signed into Corporate Statehood by this admin, and the final papers were inked in the SOTU last night. Immunity is in place, regardless of how FISA ever turns out.

And yes, Bill Clinton, in his eight years, helped to move the Presidency into a single most important branch, and BoyKing And Shooter have finished the job. The Presidency is now the ONLY real ruling body.

And IT still answers to The Board Of Directors Of The United Corporate States Of AmeriKa.

It’s all been building for 30 or more years, this unitary presidency concept. While we slept, the nation was sacked.

Time now to cope with it, and deal with it. And survive in it. Period. Game Over.

Just to make a point from there, this is why I think the GOP made a tactical blunder by insisting on 60 votes. Why bother? Bring the amendment up and beat it on simple majority. That would be an example of an honest process of legislation.

Not at all. I just think that the outcome is foregone, and what remains to be negotiated between the elite Senators is which of them will vote which way. Like any clique, there’s some alliances, and some backstabbing. And, all of them crave reelection, so they are somewhat susceptible to public pressure.

Why does “regular order” mean we are going to lose anyway?

I was just using that as shorthand for forcing the Senate to use the “objection – cloture” tool, instead of the expedient “60 vote margin on the amendment” agreement on the front end.

In order to strip immunity from the bill, an outcome that I think is proper, correct, and would represent a glimmer of honesty in government, the anti-amnesty faction needs to have 60 votes to pass the Feingold amendment. Otherwise, the phony remedy set up by Rockefeller/Bond will pass the Senate.

The reason it needs 60 votes to pass it, is that if there is NOT an agreement to 60 votes up front, then there will be objection to voting on it. And it takes cloture to get around that objection, and to the simple majority up or down vote.

I’m not sure the Feingold amendment would get 50 votes.

following regular order would get to the same end-point.

Cboldt, this is where I think you are ahead of the rest of us. You have been very forthcoming about not believing in much of government and not liking politicians. I hope you are not suggesting that there is no point to our fighting this fight.

Why does “regular order” mean we are going to lose anyway? Because fewer than 50 Senators currently are willing to vote against retroactive immunity? We have identified the 15 Blue Dogs. How many votes do we need out of those 15 to get past the 50-vote threshold? Isn’t it possible that in the next five days we can move at least enough to get past 50?

I’m voting for Edwards on Tuesday, come what may. Its the right thing to do for me. There are so many Edwards voters and it is a little jangling of the nerves at this point. But I intend to stand firm on that choice, for many of those reasons. I hope everyone does too….. unless, Edwards himself says different.