Cloture vote fails, 48-45, with Landrieu, Ben Nelson and Mark Pryor voting with the Republicans.
McCONNELL: Urges everyone to vote against 30 day extension. Said they may have to do a "short extension" but the President has said he will veto a 30 day.
REID: House will pass a 30 day extension tomorrow. People crying "wolf" here a bit too often.
(Note — I cannot imagine there will be any Democratic defections on the extension. There probably will not be 6o votes for cloture because the GOP does what George Bush tells them and there would need to be some Republican votes to get there, but with the House passing the 30 day tomorrow if the protections in the PAA lapse on Feb. 1 it would be on the hands of the Republicans. No doubt that’s why McConnell blinked and said he would consider a "short extension." — jh)
Cloture on the 30 day extension fails. The vote was along straight party lines. It was one of the most brazen things the Republicans have ever done in the Senate, refusing to pass an extension of protections they are always telling us are "vital" to American security — for purely political purposes.
Senate is in recess until 8:20 tonight for SOTU. We’ll be liveblogging starting at 8pm ET, so please join us.
Tomorrow, the Senate will take up the subject of the Intelligence Committee version of the FISA bill again.
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Wahoo!!!
YES!
Roll call now.
Yay! Dodd for President! Oh, wait…
did Lugar abstain? anyone hear him vote? thanks.
Cheney…. this photo… TMJ (clenched teeth lead to this jaw disorder!)
Keep the mojo going!!!
Is this “Reid amendment” on which they’re asking for cloture the 30-day extension?
Somebody wake up Senator Byrd.
Woohoo… now I can get some work done ;)
Lugar voted aye.
sooo they’re voting again? for the same bill?
no didn’t hear lugar, but I missed a couple
And I was givin’ 8 votes to the no’s. Nobody took me up on it.
Nelson FL voted Aye?
Jane if cloture on extension fails what then?
WTF is this vote for?
From below, but I would like to know –
Hurray for Dodd!!!, Yea for Clinton –
But did Obama simply fail to vote?
What is up with that?
Jane, congratulations and thanks to you, Christy, Glenn, and everyone else who mounted this effort. It’s great when a plan works out, even when there is still a long way to go.
Now I really am looking forward to STFU speech by his chimpness
different story if Clinton and Obama had not appeared.
Obama voted no, I believe.
Miss McConnell is obviously under the impression that the Senate has the duty to only pass bills that Georgie will sign…
Piss off, pal!
For the 30 day extension of the PAA…
I see Bernie Sanders voting “aye.”
I ain’t fakin, whole lot a treason goin’ on.
hopefully it will fall into bush’s lap. Let’s see where his real priorities are. Obviously we all know where they are.
From EPUville: the extension won’t get cloture. That’s not hard to work out.
One question remains: will the Dems sit on their hands when Bush slanders them to their faces tonight, or will they show some spine and boo the fucker?
This vote a cloture vote on 30 day extension – which rethugs are against cuz chimp won’t like it
Heh heh, dey gonna be a pissy Prezdin’t tonite.
I thought I heard Obama voted no????—–
Pryor is a turncoat, myopic bastard! I will take great pleasure in seeing him defeated in his next campaign.
Lahoma advises me she has an intense dislike for Mr. Reid. Lord I love this lady.
I think it was two years ago this month I was here on FDL live blogging with everyone the Samuel Alito vote. I remember how fucking disappointed I was at so many Dems voting for him.
This feels so much better.
Sanders voted no
They showed some leadership. (They came kicking and screaming, but at least they came.)
he was one of the first “no” votes, actually
What is this vote now about?
Lugar voted aye.
shit. I really had hopes for that one…
Why does Harry Reid always sound like a kid whose getting a suspended wedgy?
Obama voted no
If we get 48 Aye votes on this Chimpy gets slapped twice in one hour.
So if they vote no, they hate America and want to diminsh our “homeland”…(I hate that word).
Obama did vote “no” on cloture; I saw both him and Clinton cast their votes.
I think our guy sat this one out. There were only 93 votes cast.
If cloture fails, then I think we are back to the Intelligence Committee version with no agreement on whether amendments need 60 votes to pass. The argument continues tomorrow and the next day, etc.
That’s what we heard.
I wonder what his state of the union address is going to include?….
Wahh! I didn’t get my way! (Holding breath)….
Is there anything we know of in the Federal Court docket that might come up within the next month that might in some way influence a decision? I’m talking about a verdict that basically finds illegal actions? There are nine cases in proceedings at the moment, are there not?
He may have — it just wasn’t on the scorecard below?
Wohh,, Im relly drnuk. tHank yoo replubicns.
If there is a contest for Quote of the Day, I nominate Harry Reid’s “Some people are crying wolf just a little too often, Mr. President.”
But only b/c I haven’t yet searched through CSpan files to find what Sen Reid said about CHS and McJoan.
Hat tip to all FDLers, and patriots everywhere.
Speechwriters doing some cut and paste to get the right thing up on the telprompter.
ok
i’m bitin’
i’m a little new around here.
WHO’S LAHOMA???
:)
we want aye votes for cloture on the 30 day extension, because then they will have to have a vote on it.
Blanche Lincoln from Arkansas voted Bushocrat Aye as well. I heard Landrieu say “No” at first, so she must have changed her vote.
Arlen Specter was the lone Republican to vote for with D ems.
from downstairs
in fact, most of the intel DID do a good job, it was cheney’s “intel “B” that didn’t do a good job
cheney had to form a seperate branch of inteligence because the real cia wouldn’t say what he wanted them to say
more on “team b”
the man is a sociopath who even hires people (at our expense) to lie for him
I’m surprised Bush/Cheney haven’t starting calling it the “Fatherland”.
hiya imm, been a day or two…
The key here will be GOP defectors. Need quite a few to hustle the Senate’s version off, but even if this fails, the House bill will be in the hands of the Senate later this week.
It looks pretty clear that Congress is going to deliver a 30 day extension to President Bush.
It begins to look as if We the People need to prod these folks day by day, hour by hour. They only vote sensibly when we’re watching and supervising every minute detail!
I feel almost as good as I did when Libby was convicted. Even Specter voted no.
You do indeed have good taste kiddo ; )
Not really surprising. I think he honestly didn’t know what he thought.
No, on this vote, the good guys need 60 votes to end debate and proceed to a vote on a 30 day extension.
Jane, Christy and all FDL faxers, you really pulled off a major swing here: we kept at least nine (9) Blue Dogs from defecting, which would have put the GOP only three votes away from winning cloture. Incredible job! We invested a LOT of hours collectively. It’s only going to require MORE work. But that’s the amazing power of participatory democracy.
Is it possible that even Lieberman voted NO?
Sanders voted “no” on cloture, of course; he voted “aye” on this second round. I watched him — he gives either a thumbs-down or a thumbs-up.
As a leader, his blandness is a major problem for the Democrats.
Yeah, me too.
Step by step. Little chip by little chip. Some great works in stone were built that way. I got time (not much patience).
No, we need sixty (60) AYE votes this time, we want cloture to WIN, so Reid can force a vote on the 30-day extension.
For Reid’s 30 day extension of the current PAA amendment to give time allegedly to read the thousands of documents Bush/Addington/Fielding/Cheney dumped on them at the last minute.
these votes take a long time
you are so right!
I say give them a 30 day extension and see what Bush does. Look at Bush /Cheney with foreign governments, those two always get punked and always fold.
When Bush and Cheney lie and smear, throw it bak in their faces. If Bush gets really nasty in the address tonight, I say, Dems walk out.
I just want to thank everybody who made a phone call, sent an email or sent a fax on this. Everything I am reading seems to indicate that all the momentum against cloture came from the grassroots.
While it may wind up meaningless, this feels like a win for us. (And by us I mean the netroots, the Democratic Party and America in general).
Time for me to send thank you notes to Specter and Casey. Please remember to reward your congresscritters who supported the Constitution and voted No.
I hear that – but it’s a full time job!
every SINGLE time a republican TRIES to use the word “motherland” the democrats need to PUNISH that person and EMBARASS them for invoking images of hitler and the nazi germany
THIS IS AMERICA, IT’S NOT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH NAZI GERMANY’S “MOTHERLAND”
Landrieu has her preliminary vote in as an “aye”
Stay tuned…
Can’t Reid just pull this shit off the floor and that would be the end of it by “fiat”?
If I’m counting right, the 30-day got 52 votes, so not enough.
Last week, Reid was saying that he’d make the Goopers actually filibuster if they wouldn’t vote cloture on the extension, right?
I didn’t hear any GOP AYE votes in the first round. This looks like party line too. Ball is in Reid’s hands.
Yeah, it reeks of National Socialism.
I hope someone will assemble a post describing what these votes meant, and which senator voted how. Given that one desired vote was no and the other desired vote was yes, it can get confusing (especially if i’m wrong about that yes vote).
lolz
I count 43 ayes for this, all Dem, and 41 noes, all GOP.
No extension, Bush slanders Congressional Dems tonight.
Uh oh. I count 40 no.
Murkowski voted no!
a “short” extension but not a 30 day extension – when House passes a 30 day extension – is as good as zero extension. “And” says the Man Who WOuld Be Leader of the Senate but for election 2006 – remember that we will stay on the FISA bil [ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh - a lecture]
This is a Power Play by the Republicans to squeeze Reid into a 5-day or 3-day or ‘anything but 30 day’ to show that McConnells balls are bigger than Reid’s balls.
And of course, Reid capitulated in advance – “we’ll do whatever kind of extension you want” he says to the Repubs who he appears to feel are in power [hey - how about the 18 month extension so it’s not reviewed until Prez Obama/Clinton/Edwards is in the whitehouse?]
Sadly, they may be, with this kind of Dem leadership. and btw, Reid’s whiney voice is SO irritating.
Byrd voted AYE???!!!
That would be really sweet, Redshift. I hope you are right.
GOP votes are at exactly 41, F#CK!
Specter against cloture for the extension
Just so we are clear before it starts all over again:
Byrd (D-WV) — AYE
Burr (R-NC) — No
Nah, I’m pretty sure he’s off in Florida, campaigning for McCain.
OHHHHhhhh, Can’t well just earned a nasty gram.
Nazi Germany: Vaterland (not motherland)
Once again, I wonder why Harry Reid doesn’t let them filibuster if cloture fails. They can literally talk until the last extension expires. That makes it pretty damn clear who’s obstructing the legislation, doesn’t it? Make THEM filibuster during the SOTU.
Now at 55; Lincoln and Wyden voted “aye” this time (again, I should say.)
So we go back to “old” FISA and no Telecomm immunity?
I’ve made my thank-you call to Bayh’s office…
This is a mikestone…keadership of Dems opposing Repugs and Bushco…Harry says the house is now working on the leg a signal that Pelosi is on board to openly oppose the Bushco and that no more steeping across the aisle?
Then Impeachment is looking like a possibility?
Still wondering (from last thread)…
Who’s the Dick Cheney clone who’s presiding? Is he the Psychopath Pro Tem?
Aye’s are effectively for forcing Chimpy to veto an extension to PAA, making even more clear his hypocrisy on this. Doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen unless someone flips. %&#@!!!
b- bu- but Frank Luntz gets a nickel every time they use it …
Also, expect some Terrahlert between now and the weekend.
You are right! I forgot about that. We do want to force the GOP to do their standing filibuster, just like Reid is going to force Dodd to do later this week.
You have to wonder about the paradox of Senator Blanche Lincoln’s votes, because she voted for cloture and for the extension amendment.
isn’t that as good as a NO for cloture?
and won’t his love partner, dick cheney throw him under the bus for that?
interestng point – that Reid should force feet on the ground for the Repibs to filibuster – since the NEWS reports are listing the Dems as obstructionist.
But hey – that would require Reid to have both a brain AND balls.
Impeachment? Not a chance.
All together now, sing! “Dick-land, Dick-land uber alles, uber alles in Der Welt!”
Reid said he is for the SJC version.
Well, they usually arrange it that way on votes that could be used against them — give the maximum number of Goopers cover by letting them vote the right way (meaning “right” from the voters’ point of view.) So it probably wasn’t really that close; they could have gotten more votes if they needed them.
Nope … McCain in the white House means Chin-ee is still in power …
I agree if they won’t agree to cloture on a decent bill, or an extension, they should be invited to talk till they drop! Alas, there are two Democratic Senators still campaigning, only one Rethug (and he’s not there today!). And Clinton and Obama don’t want to have to be on call in Washington for a vote — only reason they’re there today, I bet, is because it’s SOTU.
Yeah, he says that. The problem is he doesn’t *act* that way.
More’s the shame…
Do we still do colors? Orange. I like orange, right next to red. Just enough to keep me on pins and needles. I feel my boots starting to shake.
Let’s be clear — Wyden (OR) voted NO on the first vote.
The SJC version was tabled (removed from consideration) last week. 60-36
What’s the count?
LOL. I thought that was straightened out on the last vote. But you always wanna be sure, I guess. There ws alot of people talking past each other on this point on the last vote. I hope everyone reads this .
Ayes-48
No-45
Cloture ayes 48- no 45
Not carried
I’m pretty sure that is (was) Ben Cardin of MD.
Motion fails by 48 to 45 again.
Motion to invoke cloture yeas 48 to nays 45
Motion not agreed to
Back to square one.
Given the lack of progress and McConnell’s threat the question of the moment for the next three days re: our ConLaw prof /Sen from IL and our ‘all-action’ Sen from NY is: three more votes in Tsunami land? or the Rule of Law?
Cloture is not agreed to.
Now what?
We’ll know who’s controlling the Dem party from their reactions to SOTU … the BlueDogs or True Dems.
This is gonna make for one pissy prezzy tonight for the State of the Onion…
I feel just awful about that, really. /s
I’ve lost track of my squares Scarecrow — what happens next?
Is the sun setting on this “Protect America Act” Friday?….
Now that would be a rebuttal!
Dear Senators McConnell and Bond,
Pound Sand.
Thank you,
Busted
he he he
So, that’s it till SOTU. Reid and Miss McConnell will be arguing about timetables now. The SSCI bill is still the one under consideration, but there’s no agreement on amendments, so McConnell will probably state his intention to ‘DO NOT WANT’ anything that annoys Chimpy.
Chimp throws temper tantrum on national TV.
Recess!
heeeheeeeheeeeheeeeheeee…..
Stalemate. Should Bush slander the Democrats tonight, I suspect there will be ample fodder for the campaigns to use tomorrow…sigh.
One good thing is that it keeps this whole debacle in the news and will hopefully shine a brighter light on Chin-ee and his treasonous actions.
We keep pushing :) and they keep trying to wriggle away from us..:)
A step at a time. The fact they’re even WALKING is progess IMO.
Now a vote can proceed on the Reid Amendment S.Amdt.3918, a 30 day extension to the Protect America Act on January 29. McConnell doesn’t get to make the gleeful call, and Bush has to suck lemons during his Shit of the Union Speech.
There was a quorum call? Did the Repubs all head for the doors so there wouldn’t be a quorum?
Thank you Mr. Nelson of Florida for showing and casting no at all, you weak weak man!
I hope so, I can use a few good laughs.
Thanks, did a Google image search… that is indeed Cardin in the chair. I wish he’d make an effort to not remind me of Cheney. A wig, a beard, anything.
Recess! Let’s play kickball!!!!!!!!
while we are waiting…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujosfSkHFrQ
Who will be giving the Democratic response tonight?
The Senate will have three options to deal with after tonight, basically deferring a decision to send an extension to the president.
One option or path is to amend S.2248 under some sort of mendment/vote threshold deal, and have that done, sending the SSCI bill to the House before Friday, so Speaker Pelosi can give it the royal treatment.
And if it’s clear later in the week that THIS sequence isn’t going to happen, it can take up and pass the House-passed 30 day extension. Which would be law if signed by the president.
Or, in the alternative to the 30 day extension, the Senate can create and pass a shorter extension and punt that to the House for its concurrence.
I pick door No. 2
Apologies to Ron Wyden; I thought someone had listed him as an “aye” before. FWIW, the Vermont State Democratic Committee on Saturday sent a very strong resolution to our Senators urging them to do everything to defeat telecom immunity, including filibuster. The summary of the resolution pointed out that the language of the Intelligence Committee bill is such that if at any time in the future any administration member (of any administration) were to order the violation of a law, using certain specified language, the unlawful action would thereby become lawful. Say what? Somebody says “illegal is legal,” and that makes it legal? This bill is much, much worse than we’ve been led to believe!
Sunsets can be beautiful things.
I’d love to see Chimpy absolutely lose it and come unhinged tonight.
I suspect that tonight Bush will be unveiling the Vote for This Bill or I’ll Brand You an Islamofascistcommunistnazi Act.
And like I said, the hanging question is how the Senate and House Dems will react to Bush slandering them from the podium tonight.
Sitting on hands is not acceptable. I’d suggest a few calls to reassure Dems that booing is not just excused, but expected.
What time is the SOTU?
OK, so how does this affect The State of the Union Speech? or does it change anything from what was expected today?
He’d have to be hinged in the first place, to be able to come unhinged.
Governor of Kansas will be doing the Dem rebuttal this evening.
:)
It’s the governor [female] of Kansas: Sebelius. [She’s also endorsing Obama.]
The sun is out right now (after such a bad storm) in California….
Hopefully a beautiful sunset is in store for us…
Would seem appropriate…
That’s my man!
Time to give to blue america and get some progessive representation elected.
9:05
9 ET
I’ve called to thank Casey and Specter. One a blue dog, the other a Republican, but both did the right thing today!
Landreau or however you spell it voted aye.
IIRC, its the female governor of Kansas. Please, lady. No milk and toast.
Democratic Response: Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS)
here’s the BESTEST thing about this vote;
teh “commander in skirt” will TRY to embarrass our lawmakers and claim they aren’t protecting this country
to which I am HOPING whitehouse is tapped to give one of his FAMOUS speaches calling the president out for what he is
a yellow, spineless enabler to the enemies against our country
I feel bad about it too. Tell you what, let’s all NOT mention Impeachment for 15 min. …..okay 15 sec?
Preznit Self-delusion will read and smirk his way through the speech as always.
female governor of Kansas, elected to second term.
We were expecting the debate on FISA to continue tomorrow. The bill on the floor is still the Intelligence Committee version; there is an amendment from Bond and Rockfeller still pending, because the cloture vote on it failed (the first vote tonight). There is no proposal for an extension as this point, because the second vote on cloture also failed.
So tomorrow, they start on the debate again, on the SIC version, with no extension; amendment can be considered (I think), but there is no agreement on whether amendments require 60 votes. At this point, they still don’t, but to close off debate on any amendment, you still need 60 votes. Transparent, no?
They way dubya’s speeches are scripted i doubt it’ll change anything. *g
Ticktock – I’m enjoying the same beautiful blue sky you are. It’s so intense I call it Nevada blue. I can’t get the smile off my face.
can someone explain who flipped on the second vote, leaving aside the confusing ayes and nays?
as in 48 to 45 4 dems, 1 Repub flipped (Lincoln, etc.,I go t that) but 45 to 48, do we have a lineup yet (so we can line them up and throw faxes at them?)
As above, my cspan stream is for 0. I need you guys.
A Republican filibuster would be lovely. Then Sen. Dodd can catch up on his sleep, and prepare to filibuster again, unless Reid gets smart and yanks the FISA bills off the floor in order to get other stuff done, just like he did in December.
Bob in HI
I got the impression this morning, when some White House somebody said the prez was gonna call on congress to pass (the right) FISA legislation that they were expecting a loss on today’s cloture vote.
And lose they did.
The vote for the Intel Bill was 13-2 with only Wyden and Feingold voting against it. I see two people doing a good job there. The rest including
alleged Democrats Bayh, Feinstein, Mikluski, and Whitehouse voted for the Intelligence Bill to go to the floor. They were part of the Cheney coverup.
I’m surprised and disappointed that Bush has lasted this long without a public meltdown. They must have him on some serious tranquilizers.
Maybe tonight, you son of a bitch.
me would like to send him some suggestions
for instance, he should have a look at this graph and be prepared to use those figures along with some other fine suggestions I would make concerning the president insisting on giving lawbreakers immunity for crimes against our constitution and our property
Thanks for the explanation cboldt. It’s gonna be a long week I think…
In the meantime, Chimpy gets to throw his public hissy fit, just as he wants. Friday night, he’ll sign the 30 day extension…
I just called the KS governor’s office and asked if she had endorsed a presidential candidate. They said no.
Perhaps nothing will change in the speech itself, but Bush’s demeanor will be more pouty than usual.
*stamping foot*
I want my FISA bill, and I want it NOW!!!
*stamping foot again*
Thanks Scarecrow. cboldt imagines this will end with a 30 day extension. How do you envision things playing out this week?
The man reads whatever they put in front of him (spelled phonetically). He has no conscience and very limited intelligence. See Anchorman – Ron Burgundy.
NO EXTENSION! There is no need whatsoever for an extension because A0 the Administration can order any comprehensive program or programs they want prior to the lapse of the PAA and that program(s) will stay in effect for one full year; and B) the original FISA law is reinstated. Furthermore, passage of any extension is a wolf in sheep’s clothing because is equitably removes and/or weakens many arguments and defenses that opponents to the PAA had from it’s original passage in August 2007. At the time of the original passage most congressmembers voted based upon false and misleading facts provided by the Administration, McConnell and Hayden, voted under a false fear that the country was in jeopardy of an imminent attack (another direct lie), were not aware of the secret memos produced by OLC that were legally indefensible, etc. If they now vote to extend the PAA, they not only effectively remove all those germane defenses/explanations, they also give credence to the position that there is some merit and legality to the PAA. There is absolutely no need for an extension and passing one weakens our sides position. THERE MUST BE NO EXTENSION.
A minimum is for them to write IC on the back of their prepared text and hold it up everytime he says Democrat party. Wiki says he does it every time. Did it lasts year.
As I mentioned before Ic Ic Ic is one way to describe the death rattle….
if Harry Reid had any cujones, he’d withdraw the Senate Intelligence Committee bill, and introduce the House bill… demanding its passage without amendment, because the House will be on a retreat as of tomorrow, and a conference committee won’t be able to convene…and the House won’t be able to pass the conference committee version, before Friday.
Joe Scar sez Fla. primary is breaking Romney’s way
The Obama camp leaked it to the media, but the actual endorsement, according to the news stories, will be made public tomorrow or Wednesday.
Thus, the folks in Topeka are telling the literal truth — but it’s apparently a done deal.
Long view is less hopeful: I fear that Reid will lose his spine [thus losing the blu dogs] as the days approach Febr deadline and some of those 12 votes will creep in.
How many? As the numbers creep towards 60 in a self-fulfilling immolation that Reids on himself [and us] he will accede – perhaps to a one-day or three-day peace offer by the MAN he perceives to be more powerful than him – McConnell – and after that he will fold entirely at or near or just after the Febr deadline.
Since we can see that Reid has no internal spine, the Q remains – will Hill and Obama and Kennedy and others forcefully lobby and force Reid to keep his spine strait, so that we can keep Repubs from getting their 12 votes back? Or will they leave the field to others while pandering for the extra three votes?
Hey. Whom should I be thanking. I called all Dems and did the Credo thing, too. Sent e-mails to everyone I know. So whom should I be thanking and whom should I be excoriating? I couldn’t find Cspan2 on TV and couldn’t keep it going on Computer. please list fine Dems who deserve thanks and any rethugs besides Spectre who tends to cancel himself out by bidding both hearts and spades.
Gotta fly off from the lake for now—–definitely a good day today—-with a little luck and all of you here we won—-a very good feeling….
Best of Luck pups—
Good Luck—-
This is one jet-powered blog server! Yee wow! Over 200 comments in less than 30 minutes! GREAT redesign FDL!
Oh no. Soeharto’s good buddy in crimes against humanity is on C-SPAN – Kissinger. The jowls of hell are still open.
Good God. Can I take the SOTU thingie? Lahoma wants to watch a movie instead. I am inclined to agree, though I have indicated a propensity for being in the mood to hear some Bush propaganda (Hearing what the opposition is up to, and all that). The feeling here is that perhaps there is room to maneuver on this issue. Maybe some sort of compromise may be in the offing.
maybe he can work up some Boehner tears!
There is no proposal for an extension as this point, because the second vote on cloture also failed.
No, that amendment is also pending (see Daily Digest of Jan 25 for the short list of pending amendments, in proper order), and will be the first one set aside to take up further amendments. Just like the Bond/Rockefeller amendment, failure to obtain cloture does not dispose of the amendment.
If the Senate bogs down during debate of S.2248, on amendments not yet pending, and if Dodd insists on another cloture vote before voting to pass S.2248 (he’d better do that), then S.2248 can’t be ready until Friday at the earliest. Here’s the timetable:
Some debate tomorrow, things move along, and there is a request to schedule a vote on S.2248. Dodd objects and McConnell files another cloture motion. That cloture vote happens Thursday morning, then 30 hours after that, if cloture is invoked, they get to the vote on the bill. That would be mid-afternoon Friday. It can’t happen.
A short extension gets around that objection, and could set things up for the bill (S.2248, not the extension) going to the House early next week. But Dodd can bollux that up too, by objecting to vote on a short extension, and insisting on the 30 day extension. Likewise the House could signal unwillingness to do a short extension, based on a desire to review the document dump and inject that into the public psyche via debate.
Oh I agree bmaz, but good luck to you (well, us obviously) since Reid is so d*mn busy telling the country how bipartisan he is just dying to be. No cloture on an extension today so Chimpy gets to stamp and scream tonight and the Rethugs can use it in 30 second spots this fall. But, I think we need to stay on the phones, faxes, and emails to actually get the Dems to carry out their oaths of office…
Good Show (as usual)
Thank you Christy, Jane and everyone else for making this possible (are you there too Suzanne?).
Old Kissinger is on now (blood dripping from his jowls), ewww.. Condi too.
Laters Moonbats
Balzar
Just watch the important clips on Crooks and Liars. No need to water board yourself.
I missed that movie but get the picture *g
She’s supposed to announce it tonight or tomorrow. [I’m an Edwards person, BTW.]
My lady and have agreed to cloture in the last few minutes. I am going to fix supper and she is on KP. That’s the kind of cloture we both seem to like. Actually, I can take it either way.
I’m watching with the sound turned off (I can read the words tomorrow, if I want to) and a large basket of rolled up socks to throw at the TV. Oh — and cocktails. Can’t do it without cocktails.
o i c
May thousands of blogs trash Bush this evening and tomorrow morning for what he has done to this country over the last seven years.
Glenn Greenwald just nailed it.
Now can the Democrats succesfully frame the debate this way?
woo hoo!!!
congrats to all. one more day without immunity moving forward is a good day!
Claire!
Even though Obama probably leaned on you hard, I am still proud of you.
Is schrub using the stimulus package to get votes/black mail congress on this? I see good news for New Orleans in his speech tonight,
Is that why he can’t/won’t wait 30 days?
I agree COMPLETELY with tactics suggested by you and bmaz at 195.
no extension, withdraw the crap that whineyReid says is so good and reintro the Judiciary version [felt SO awful for Leahey having to sit almost directly in back of Reid for a moment there, while he lauded the crap sent out by Rockefeller].
If only for the joy of watching McCOnnell’s double chin wiggle and his face turn all red.
I have suspected she would endorse Obama sooner or later.
I’m not going to watch it. It will be a string of sentences designed to make you stupider when you listen to them.
“Some people are saying” that Kathleen will be Obama’s VP. Do I sound like Katy Couric?
Really, I heard it last Thursday from a friend in California who knows Democrats there.
Karen
Thanks to all for the commentary today.
It can’t happen.
“It” being getting a Senate-passed S.2248, from Friday afternoon, to the House, and the House passes it unamended in time to get it to President Bush, also on Friday.
Anyway, I figure the 30 day extension is the most likely avenue, as Congress has as much need to save face as President Bush does.
Some real leadership from the Dem Prez candidates would work wonders in the next few days. I am going to contact them and tell them that if they want my vote, they need to fight back hard against GOP propaganda. Let us see what they do.
Thanks Jane, Christy, et al.! There is no place like the Lake for a day like today : )
You can send Bill Nelson to the moon. Bang! Zoom!
That’s cute. And we like it. ;0)
Repeat repeat repeat!
i’ll not watch – i never watch chimpy speak – i cant take him in any way….i’ll watch KO take him apart after…..
God. I double hope so.
Any word on whether Clinton and/or Obama will be participating tomorrow?
Do not overlook the fact that Sebelius is an Ohio native and her father was governor of Ohio (wink, wink) so that could be a factor.
Maybe we should boycott the State of STFU speech tonight.
I just want to thank all the Firegodlake crew for all they have done today and for what they will do to keep all the firepups in the know about very important issues facing all of us and our great nation! Again thanks!
No, they are still Democrats.
Who all is gonna watch the Chimperor? I can’t stand to look at his stupid face. I don’t wanna even hear his inane fumbling with the English language. The man is an embarrassment to the human race. AFAIC, he can’t move to Paraguay quick enough. Take the whole damn clan with you. Don’t forget George P. (That SOB will bite us in the ass one day.)
Margaritas or Juleps here. ;0)
Anything he mentions is like a third rail. Housing sales down 26%, 5 soldiers killed today, etc. He could always read a book to us – something simple.
I am hearing you. ;0)
It’s so painful to watch the clown, but I am curious in light of todays events…
It’s been such good news for New Orleans every other time he’s mentioned them?
Given Bush’s past speeches that mentioned NO, I’d just as soon he not say anything about the Big Easy, and instead see that they get the help that they still need.
Of course with Bush, when offered a choice between words and deeds when it comes to caring for the poor and needy, he’ll go with words every time. Every single time, without thinking twice.
nah – it’ll be fun to watch him get all red in the face, listen to him murder the English language, watch the Dem’s sit and laugh at him, etc. I’m watching for sure.
Sometimes I wish ‘mooning’ hadn’t gone out of fashion…
Is it time for thirty beers yet?;-)
It’s his last SOTU – time to Celebrate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ
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((((( Mary )))))
LOL !!!
Mooning, out of fashion?
I have pics of some of the 2400 swedes that mooned his hotel a couple years ago, fashions change so fast.
most definitely
Guys, I think the CIA/NSA/FBI/DIA/somebody got to your servers. FDL used to load pretty quickly, but they haven’t done so for weeks.
On the other hand I hope that it is the mega traffic you’re getting that’s causing the slow load times.
Love that picture of the Dick. Looks just like himself.
is that something like an organized political party?
my bold
the democrats need a new term, “for political purposes” is far too benign and really only points out it’s “bussiness as usual”
I would rather;
or something less verbose but equally demonstrative
Overheard at a Portland theatre intermission:
Patron 1: “It’s a leap year this year? I didn’t know that.”
Patron 2: “Oh no, an extra day under Bush!”
Walter C. Uhler
Maybe he’ll finally explain tonight how it all happenned.
I’m with you but I’m thinking I might enjoy it tonight. The chimp will be all fumey and he might stamp his feet and all. Could be good for a laugh or two.
A pre-emptive strike against tonight’s SOTU is à propos. I totally agree.
I wanna see the chimp WIG OUT
“It was one of the most brazen things the Republicans have ever done in the Senate, refusing to pass an extension of protections they are always telling us are “vital” to American security — for purely political purposes.”
Shout it out!!!!
The Republicans want the Neocon Administration to spy on their constituents without warrants using Telco companies who, the American citizens they represent and who pay their salaries, pay their hard-earned money for telco service!!! Spy Service!!!! They want immunity and obstruction of justice for the crimes that those elected into office perpetrated against the very victims who elected them and pay their salaries.
There is no other way for for me to discharge my civic duty this evening.
I’m giggling, thanks.
Hey. Listen. I’ve been saying since last night we were gonna lose. I even was willing to give 8 votes on it. Thank god no one took me up on it. Listen, everyone of us deserves to pat himnself or herself on the back (or wherever else you wanna pat yourself.) Da bloggers made a difference including the FDL people. Can’t say how much of a difference and I don’t wanna overstate that. Just dunno. But undoubtedly, we made some difference.
Excelsior!!
THANK YOU Firedoglake! It’s drink thirty here and with something big to toast to!
This is THE PREMIER WEBSITE on the whole entire tubez!
Before the last election we heard much about his lame duck status. Now that he is truely a lame duck we need to use that phrase frequently, remind the people he is on his way out and that is why (historically) he won’t get much done. I am tired of hearing about him sprinting to the finish. (Lame)Duck season is here.
THAT is an excellent strategy…and shove that failure to pass the “extension” right back in their faces!
Bloody obstructionists!