Hi ES

Hi LL

Hey ES. Hi pups.

Eureka!
On my mind: well, now it’s Iranian Rap. Cool.
Take that, St. McCain.

Good on Felakat and his friends for making their music.

ES, that was a cool YouTube :-)

Hey! You are the best, really.

Hi Betsy, have you heard from the travelers?

LL, good to see you!

Hi Chris, Betsy, everyone;)

Hey Margot :-)

TexB is up.. Nice to see you. Did Cassie get off alright and remember to pack her toothbrush?

Heh. Despite the restrictions, the music still happens. Not a bad sound from this guy either.

For the first time in a long time I am allowing myself to feel jazzed about what looks like a success on all our part.. Hillary and Obama’s announcement this evening is such good news

They made it to El Paso in record time, got onto the base just fine, but there is some sort of problem with the apartment. They are currently in a motel on the base and will move in tomorrow. Spoke to Cassie on the phone and she’s very excited. Andy wanted to start unpacking tonight and get settled, but instead they ate at a cafe in town and went to sleep early.

I was stuck at work all day Sunday and didn’t hear about Hillary and Obama until I checked in here earlier…that IS good news.

Eureka, that’s an impressive find. Can we Digg It?

Betsy, glad to hear they made it out there safely and that Cassie sounded excited :-)

Margot,
Just getting here…

Digging like a gardener with a weed problem..)

Looks like my witty message to you was EPU’d, Betsy.

OMG did anyone see 60 minutes?

Well you were right on time. Announcements didn’t happen until 9:30 central time tonight.

What was on 60 minutes?

Thought I had a ZED though I don’t know what it is. The post was up from Chuad ay a little before 8pm my 3 comments disappeared. Voila.
Kids gonna have fun with music ministry of culture has other plans. The Shah was not very nice to his people either. It is a mad mad world. Keyna is going through unnecessary horrors now. Kofi Annan is trying to make peace and is in Nairobi where things are calm. It is the same powerful tribes that ran out the Brits in Uhuru during the Mau Mau uprising. I was there in 1972 and hitch hiked all over the country without incident. Peace corps volunteers from all over USA, Northern Europe and Isreal were giving technical assistance. Why such a sad state of affairs?

No, I quit watching 60 mins when Katie joined the team.

What was the Hillary/Barack announcement?

Remember Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama reprising Dick Cheney’s “right wing talking points” that “ALL OPTIONS are on the table” in regards to the fake, manufactured “threat” of an Iranian nuclear weapons program?

a vote for them could well be a vote for continuation of the neo-con plan for creative destruction in the Middle East – then no more preening that it is all the (R)’s fault.

Eureka what happened to my earlier post do you suppose? Was it a no show by the author?

Eureka, this is great!

What was the announcement?

It was the final eight months of talking with Saddamm Husseim by one of our FBI guys. And then they showed him hanged.

Thanks Teddy. I had to join in the fun with an additional pile on McCain.. As always, you inspire..)

Jane’s post announcing both Hillary and Barack will vote no on cloture tomorrow.

i was out all evening

Oh, that is good. But I was hoping they had announced they were going to stop fighting like cats and dogs and both run positive campaigns.

I saw that. Horrible.

But I was hoping they had announced they were going to stop fighting like cats and dogs and both run positive campaigns.

Now why in the world would they want to do that? /s

Thank you. What brought that on?

Well this is an incredibly positive step in the correct direction. *g*

In every villan, there comes the moment of truth where he/she attempts to answer fate and history, their Himmler moment:

I am referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. This is one of the things that is easily said: “The Jewish people are going to be exterminated.” That’s what every Party member says, “Sure, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews – extermination – it’ll be done!” And then they all come along, 80 million worthy Germans and each one has his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first-rate Jew! Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one has had to go through with it. Most of you know what it means to see 100 corpses lying together, or 500, or 1000. To have stuck it out and at the same time – apart from exceptions caused by weakness – to have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard. This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and shall never be written, for we know how difficult it would be for us here today – under bombing raids and the hardships and deprivations of war – if we were still to have Jews in every city as secret saboteurs, agitators and inciters. If the Jews were still lodged in the body of the German nation, we would probably by now have reached the stage of 1916-17.

Watch for such a moment in tomorrow’s SOTU.

Horrible my friend

Damn right not everybody hates America.

But please, no Reaganesque feel-good platitudes. The first step to getting people to help one out of the shit is admitting that one is in the shit.

It was just our regular Sunday Sixty Minutes. Horrible.

Hillary announced she willput bloggers in key government offices to diseminate information so John Q Public will be up to speed with open government policy. Hope it happens whomever get in the WH.

Did Suzanne lose power?

Actually, I was responding to this: “Hey! You are the best, really.”

She did. She will be back as soon as P, G & E gets done.

Dang, BigBro…it took me awhile to figure out what you were asking. You were commenting about an item in News Headlines. :)

Your comments are still there, the headline has just moved further down in the box.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/01…..evolution/

Oh yes, we are knee deep in McCains, aren’t we?

That thought just crossed my mind a second ago.
She just disappeared.
I had some correspondence with her earlier and thought maybe I said sumthin she didn’t like,although I couldn’t really think of what it could be.
After I emailed her and got no response, it dawned on me. No juice for the toobz.

She did. She will be back as soon as P, G & E gets done.

How many times did she utter the word “fork” while disseminating that news? *g*

Did that the other day.
D’OH!
I’m like, where the hell is everyone?

Waist deep in the steamin’.

But there’s a bottom somewhere.

OK wigwam, I have to ask, what sparked that particular prediction?

Hey, BK, I’m here

Thanks, Mod Who Lurks.
Busted, I thought I saw a comment or two from her earlier but I wasn’t really paying attention. Then I saw her say something about wind, so…rats.

The video was the same as above so I get it now I was blogging the news instesd of a thread. Can yoy explain a zed? Thank you.

My ears are still burning.

RBG, I do believe I can feel that here too from 3000+ miles away ;-)

The zed is the first comment in an FDL thread. It replaced Fitz as the greeting of choice sometime back.

Yeah!
Suzanne put up a link to a news story on the front ,there.
I had never clicked on one and when the link popped up, it looked just like a regular post.
I sat there for quite a while, sitting on my thumb, as it were.

I like Fitz much better.

My fault and I apologize for the confusion. I help post items in the news box from time to time and I now know to spread out items which could cause confusion.

Very very late here — good night all.

Nite LL.. always nice to see you.

sleep well LL

g’nite double ell

Nite LL

Jeez Mareze, it’s almost eleven o;clock!
I need to go to bed.
Gotta go to that place again tomorrow.
It’s bad enough they expect me to show up on time, then they expect me to do stuff too!

sleep well busted

The zed is dead. There is no zed.

Wordpress used to label the first comment on a thread as comment “0,” but that would flash only for an instant, and then become comment “1.”

Somebody around here got the idea that “zed” meant “zero,” and started calling the first comment in a thread the zed.

Actually, “zed” means “z.” And the current architecture of FDL no longer produces “zero” comments. So it never made sense to call it the “zed,” and now it makes even less sense.

The zed is dead. There is no zed. There never was.

Gnite all.
And I hope Suzanne gets her forking power back on soon.

Nite BK.. watch out for Murdoch, since he has your addy.

It’s a problem for a short time only.
*G*
SSSHHHHH!

ah, zed you!

I find it incredulous that any civilized leader would consider nuclear as a target. Today the Iranians said they would secure the Plastinian border with Egypt. Boy is that ramping up the stress level near Isreal. This looks very dangerous. Where in the heck is American diplomacy?
No bad on you ES I am learning. It is about understaanding explanation appreciated though.
It is a deluge in Santa Cruz where Suzanne resides see US weather map.

Long Live The Dead Zed!

Fitz!!!

Life would be better if Fitz got a new, interesting assignment.

Per Dan Eggen at WaPo:

Administration officials have acknowledged that ongoing surveillance would not be immediately interrupted if Congress did not approve a bill. But they say any lapse would prevent them from opening new cases under the expanded powers approved by Congress last August. The nation’s core spying law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, would remain in effect.

In his weekly radio address, Bush said “we cannot afford to wait” for a permanent legislation.

“If this law expires, it will become harder to figure out what our enemies are doing to infiltrate our country, harder for us to uncover terrorist plots and harder to prevent attacks on the American people,” Bush said.

But Reid said that “current law ensures that no ongoing collection activity will be cut off on February 1.”

“There will be no terrorism intelligence collection gap,” Reid said. “But if there is any problem, the blame will clearly and unequivocally fall where it belongs: on President Bush and his allies in Congress.”

Note that until its February-first expiration, the Protect America Act authorizes the Attorney General to give one-year approvals to intelligence-collection programs, i.e., programs that will extend beyond the end of the Bush administration (God willing).

These people are such despicable lying sacks of shit!

You asked for it!

Exactly.. All the more reason to vote no on cloture and walk away from it all for a year as they should have done last August or before.

Good question. Answer: the accumulation of seven years of horrific disgust. Nothing in particular. Everything in general.

I think he would make a fine attorney general in the Edwards administration.

If I sent the AG a big picture of Fitz would he put it up by George Orwell. Yes when ZED is dead your face gets red. Could we have a Fitz. Oh happy daze.

Y’all following what’s going on in China with the weather and the fatalities? Yikes!

I wish!

This can’t be good for Edwards.

FAJARDO, Puerto Rico — As the race for the Democratic presidential nomination raged on in South Carolina and across the country this weekend, America’s top trial lawyers became the focal point of a different aspect of the campaign at a seaside resort here.

At a kickoff reception for the lawyers’ winter conference, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, slapped backs and clinked glasses poolside for hours. “I talked to everyone down there, including the waiters,” he said as he headed for another reception.

Upstairs, at a mahogany-paneled martini bar, Sen. Barack Obama’s finance director, Julianna Smoot, was huddled with a group of Florida attorneys whose hearts, if no longer their inner handicappers, were still with former senator John Edwards, the candidate they all called “Johnny.”

BushCo doesn’t pay its wiretapping bills anyway. Does anyone really think they’d use the vastly expanded FISA powers competently or wisely? Democrats need to talk more about keeping Shrub and Darth on a short leash for the next year. American voters, all of whom have been teenagers, will understand this concept immediately.

Chimpy, you’re grounded.

The picture of Fitz in Mukasey’s office will be the surface of his dart board.

Grounded? Good grief Teddy. I’d settle for the dems stopping catering to the man!

Suzanne May 31st, 2006 at 8:52 pm 1
FITZ me, baby, one more time.

Very very funny laughing my ass off.

So if you’d like to really mess with The Lurking Mod, leave comments here:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/01…..e-lawyers/

Oops…that’s a reply to Eureka at 89.

Wise man speak with great wisdom…Ho.

Ignore my boss please pups.
He doesn’t have anything better to do than twist my tail.

Iraq’s still on my mind. So I’m on topic, at least.

Nice thread ES. Thanks.

The MSM, they don’t do Iraq much, anymore.

Dahr Jamail still rawhks.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos…..raq_debate

I sure hope Iraq and our failed foreign policy is a major issue in the elections to come.

If humans understand what we’ve done there, then humans might vote accordingly.

May you all find the joy and inner peace of nonzedness.

Good night, folks.

Same from me. Good night.

What a story. Those poor people!

sleep well neuro and tj

Always glad to hear what Dahr is up to. And just fyi, LL Nite is always open thread topic.

Horrible!

Wow.

You got my attention.

Guess the timing IS right for that kind of speech.

And yes, that’s how sickly we have been, as a nation doing sickly things to others.

Here’s to change, we can all hope.

Without change . . . we have carved out our own fate as a nation.

Whether we voted for them or not, it happened on our watch.

Since The Newt.

Here’s hoping for change.

Thanks. I’d long been meaning to ask.

Right on, except my count starts with Reagan. But why quibble?

Sweet dreams Bustednuckcles – talked with Suz awhile ago and she is “forking pissed” her power is still down and we managed to laugh wildly at the forking Pacific Gas & Electric Co. She is warm and dry as long as she stays indoors but has run out of forking firewood. Oh, and she misses being here.

npb, tell her we forking miss her here, will you?

Not quibbling.. but my count starts with Cheney, Rummy and Daddy Bush in the Nixon era.

Good night my friends. See you tomorrow.

With Suz power-less, I need someone else to wish me a pain-free night, please.

Thanks.

Hey Betsy!
Painless snoozing to you!

Nite Texb.. pain free wishes.. and no snoring niece..)

Heh, Reagan destroyed CA before he started with the nation.

You got it dialed in about him.

No quibbles here.

Thanks for the chat, you too ES.

We HOPE On. *G*

Someone tell Teh Suz Larue sez Hey.

Out of firewood? Hope she’s got camping stoves. *G*

N yeah, Santa Cruz and the Monterey Bay up to the ridges of the coastal hills has been hammered pretty good in the past weeks. So Cal, too, even MORE so in the past 2 days.

Thinking good thoughts for them folks down there . . . it COULD get wierd for them soon.

Each month Haaretz.com posts their Israel Factor
ratings of U.S. presidential candidates:

8.37 Giuliani
7.75 McCain
7.50 Bloomberg
7.50 Clinton
6.87 Romney
6.50 Edwards
6.25 Huckabee
5.12 Obama

Ron Paul is unrated.

her brother can listen to her snore tonight

Almost went nitey, saw this.

Yeah, that’s good non-quibble reality.

Nixon was a Senator from CA. One of McCarthy’s pals in teh wah on commies.
He sure ruined a lot of lives in his time, many of them Hollywood Lives.

Well, both of them ruint lives.

Reagan, from the Screen Actors Guild, and then CA Gov to Prez, did too, but looked better on camera doing it.

Evil is as evil does. Even when they think it’s rightous.

Forking will do Margot.

Nighters to all you late late niters – we have a new storm front with high winds moving in from off shore and mrbrat standing by to unplug our computers and call it a night.

That’s one of the best things about Obama I have seen in a while.

Nite Mrs npb.

Apparently, war is NOT underrated.

That’s quite revealing, if not sickening.

But hey, it’s what our economy and nation are BASED on (punintent).

The Nixonites were very evil people, and it is astounding that they are still around a quarter of a century after he left office in 1974. What irradicable pests they be! And to think that Daddy “death squads” Bush was a sweet fellow compared to his son!

Nite Tex–wishing you pain-free sleep.

It could end up being decisive for me.

Well, I always appreciate your insight in that particular area.. among many others.

Getting a bit sleepy on my end..and want to get some early work accomplished so i can be here for the PAA/FISA action.

Good night firepups..

forking pge

Suzanne!

hey newton

Hey power-ful mod!

hey teddy. pge took away all my delusions of power

About time!

that’s exactly what i said when the lights came back on. well, not exactly. there was a forkin in the middle.

You aren’t deluded, you’re just in the dark.

And hello to Token too!

thanks, teddy. token is quite happy, snuggled up in his Woolrich bed that NPB gave him for xmas, wrapped up in his old navy blankie baby girl gave him. dood gets better gifts than i do (laughing)

An interesting Dkos posting about PNAC and the neocons. FWIW, I recommend it.

his bed is on the chair next to mine

bailey the cat is snuggled up in the laundry i have to fold making herself quite a bed. she’s not going to be happy when i start folding those towels.

The Iraqi opinion link was interesting. Without good reporting one could imagine being in Iraqi shoes the bitterness.
After the Shah our government went after Iran through Saddamm then turned on him. The 440 days of the occupation:
The Iran hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 52 U.S. diplomats were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of militants took over the American embassy in support of Iran’s revolution. [1]wikipedia

Regan gets the credit for ending that hostage crisis and the Berlin wall coming down. Interest was up to 20% and the oil embsrgo caused gold to double in a Jamuary that year and gas lines.
USA has a viscious rep in the Middle East and the Far East. The history of CIA interference in other states is mind boggling.
Philip Wylie, The Ugly American, gave us a heads up. Why are we not listening? It just gets more viscious. Peace

Asian markets crashing

Wall Street should be a nice prelude to tomorrow nite’s Chimp Happy Talk Economy STFU

fork, i’ll add it to the news ticker, teddy

teddy, here’s a bbc article to go with your stock ticker table

In 1956, the CIA deposed a democratically elected regime in Iran and imposed on the Iranian people The Emperor of the Peacock Throne. The nations that began the end of monarchies imposed the Emperor of the Peacock FUCKING Throne on the people of Iran!!! WTF!

oh pups, all the cursing by candlelight has tired me out. i’m gonna head off to bed and enjoy my non-use of a flashlight.

Let me correct that; it was 1953:

In 1951, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was elected prime minister. As prime minister, Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later British Petroleum, BP), which controlled the country’s oil reserves. In response, Britain embargoed Iranian oil and invited the United States to join in a plot to depose of Mossadegh; and, in 1953, President Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The covert operation soon went into full swing. Iranians were financed to protest Mossadegh and fight pro-Mossadegh demonstrators. Protesters that were both for and against the monarchy violently clashed in the streets. The operation was successful, and Mossadegh was arrested on August 19, 1953. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi returned to power and his rule became increasingly autocratic.

From the Wikipedia.

g’nite Suzanne and the rest of you pups!

nite teddy. me, too
huge days just ahead

Ok, let’s see how Loose And Free FDL and Late Night really is:

Damning evidence that Isreal, Pakistan and Turkey are part and parcel of stealing American Nuke Secrets and selling them on the black market. In ‘01 and earlier.

The Ghost Of Sibel Edmonds (cuz NO blogs or posts about her anymore N I wonder WHY that is) rises:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12276

Sibel Edmonds is a hero.

Why don’t she get no blog cred, as a woman, AND a hero?

For all she’s done?

What, this aint news?

Harumph.

“If there’s a fork in the middle of the road, TAKE it!”

SUZ!!!

N now, I repast till daylight.

Get some firewood tomorrow, will ya? I worry about ya without firewood . . *G*

William Shakespeare: ‘All the worlds a stage…”As you Like it”
The lisat of players from PNAC and their histories gives a chronolgy of their plot for USA corporate hegemony.. there is a lot more to this and they are I suspect way ahead of us.
Bush43 said only a little saber rattling when ensconced in the WH by his supreme buds after the Florida election theft by the Baker/Botts operatives hit the beaches of sunny Florida. After 9/11 a different tune whilr sitting with the kids for a Laura education photo op.
Then what you said about the Peacock throne I did not know.
Would you have reading list for catching up? I spose I could google that subject.

Hilzoy on Hillary and extraordinary rendition.

Reagan sold crack cocaine on the streets of America thru Freeway Ricky, that was gotten from Central American drug lords we either supported or deposed.

Somewhere in there, we took those profits we got and shipped arms and munitions BACK to Latin American countries to prop up our dictators of choice, and also sold illegal weapons to Iran Muslim Fanatics who had OVERTHROWN our dictator, that we had put in place.

Reagan and the US Government introduced crack cocaine to Watts, and the rest of the country.

To do a dirty deal with Islamic Fanatics, whom at the time, our laws forbid USA from selling arms to.

Who’s hookin who up, on what? *G*

I got this from the Wikipedia:

The [CIA] operation was successful, and Mossadegh was arrested on August 19, 1953. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi returned to power and his rule became increasingly autocratic.

I’d reckon that googling on “Pahlavi” and/or “Mossadegh” would get to some very interesting stuff. Most of what I know is from many long BS sessions in bars. ;-)

BigBro, I been preachin the history of PNAC, it’s founders of the’20’s (including White and Black Russians and Leo Strauss) for years.

It’s nice to see someone else kibbitz about it all. The history is irrefutable, despite attempts to rewrite iit.

And its legacy is rampant in our sordid times to date.

You can shoot me a howdy and shake anytime about it all, at:

laruepork@netzero.net

I’m also a BIG fan of Studs Terkel.

The truths not told about our nation thru the years. *G*

Oh, BigBrother. In an earlier thread you mentioned something about getting arrested in a Bastille Day happening in Berkeley. 1969?

Now you have my interest;
The Korean War called the WWII vets back to contain communist agression. So the Iranian situation was ga parallel event. Truman D hands off to Ike R
The thread of foriegn policy has to be linked…so the WII ended the hated New Deal by Big Business and that philosophy ties back before the Great Depression.
The PNAC people are part of the no oversight non regulated business. They know the economic formulas. It goes back to Bush’s grandfather and his fascist business partners.
In between the events are played out in the big R think tanks like the Rand Corporation (Nam). They let you have the small potatoes…they are playing for the whole pot and have the schools to spit out minions. Lot more to this for me to get.

Those are two good names!!! Bani Al Sadr is a minor player, but a good one, too. *G*

Now, take post WW1 and our efforts to remap the world.

Then, take our efforts post WW2 to remap the world.

Cold War.

Vietnam.

80’s.

90’s.

N Bushco/Afghan/Iraq.

Patterns abound.

All the same patterns, all the same names.

All the same money. All the same families.

N look at those who came upon the scenes, in all those times, and cried wolf, and cried for change for the people. Many were ‘disappeared’.

*G*

It becomes simple after a while. To see.

After Ike, our side didn’t get much: three years of Kennedy, five years of Johnson (who wasn’t a peace candidate after all), four years of Carter, and eight years of Clinton (the best Republican president since Ike).

Kennedy was a military adventurer, but he was smart.

Johnson ran as a peace candidate and immediately turned Vietnam into a real war. But, God bless him, he got the civil rights stuff straightened out. For that, he should be recognized as a major hero.

Carter was a damn good president but not a good communicator.

Clinton was DLC, i.e., an Eisenhower Republican. I don’t mean to comdemn him, but he sure as hell didn’t restore the New Deal. Also, he was lucky to be president during the dot.com boom, which bouyed up the economy a hell of a lot.

People’s Park Defense fund got most of the demonstrators released. I was a peaceful yoga student hippie. I came over the night before and someone gave me a red pill probably seconal I was groggy. As I wandered around I saw the fence tear gas, angry sherrifs and was arrested. I had come over from the Haight where I worked in a health food store. Sort of a mistake checking out the Peoples Park but not aware of the level of action that had taken place before the fence. Had I known the full story I would not have been there. I did attned and march in peace rallies in the Bay area but was nore interested in the cultural changes that were taking place including the music. I did someone elses 30 days. The defense fund did not help me.

I shoulda been prone long ago, yer killin me. *G*

And the biz, war, and family ties come together. Well done, there, hoss.

Same pages we are on. Some I recall reading, some I need refreshing.

Two heads are better than one.

Gotta go . . . some families go back to robber baron’s, some issues trace to 1917 Russia.

And some of it all, has been with us since Plymouth Rock.

Go figger how we ended up so bad, when so much of our history was due to simply surviving new opportunity to live free. Too bad our freedoms have meant taking the freedoms of others in the process.

Nitey. Oink me, hoss, would LOVE to chat more off list.

I was living in Berkeley that summer and got back into town from Palo Alto while everything was going on. Fool that I was, I had to go down there to “check things out.” Everyone, both student and cops, thought that I was a narc. Sigh! So I just walked talking to people, mostly cops.

What a fabulous guy Studs, attorney, entertainer etc. I get some of his books. Thanks for the tips will send you an email one of these days.

Wow that is really funny…I was accused of being a narc as well by street people. In looking back the Black Panthers had been hassled by the FBI as well as the Angels were active so there may have been some eyeballs on the street scene in Berkeley may be some political operatives?
I was into Mountain climbing buddhist Ningmapa Acenders run by a retired CIA who had ties with the Dalai Lama. I was also into Swami Sat Chid Anada not dope. But a lot of dope was moved threough the Bay area across state lines so no doubt some of those people accusing people of narcing were probably covering for their own minions. Strange things can happen when you are not informed.

In those days, I was horribly naive.

We were earlier discussing the history of Iran. Here his a fascinating long-term history.

With apologies, I’ve got to crash now. Early meeting tomorrow. Take care.

Krugman considers how a Dem President next year could wind up in the same, hamstrung spot as Clinton did after the 1992 election.

PK takes as his example the health care program, and how Clinton’s lack of a definite plan when he came in to office gave the rightwing opposition the initiative on what could have been the major contribution of his presidency. I’ve been thinking over the last couple of days that something similar could happen if the candidates don’t start soon to engage the mortgage crisis and related issues. Something also similar to the result of the agreement to disregard the S&L crisis in the 1992 campaign, a bit of forbearance that might have helped get us both the present credit crisis and the second Bush presidency.

It is interesting in reading emptywheels post a discussion yesterday about language and using ways of changimg meanings and softening alarm bells that way.
Look at the run up to war or any events like Naomi Klein describes in shock doctrine. The neocons are highly skilled propogandists in that respect and can define actions to give them altogether diffrent meanings. Like war is for peace..so got to have it! That stretch would take some fancy wording. The PNAC people realise they have to spin it all. I don’t watch the media now I know what they are doing. The english syntax has been morphed. Good is bad and bad is good.

For sure the ecomics have to be straight to make the administration work. I think they have to rip the subprime tranche holders by changing everybodies loan so no one walks away from their homes.
That is an easy solution no more pain for the investment banks or the Feds. The capital demands ease quickly as they don’t have to keep covering their bets (reserves. The paper is bad but the mortgages get paid at a very much lower rate. The equities will recover in time as the housing vsalues return, End of story.
New chapter…we start the new deal put people to work the housing industry will be happy to build some low income and badly needed housing. The energy industry can run with solar and wind farms and wave energy. We reduce energy demands and prices ease so inflation is checked. That stabilises the global econ too. Lots of other stuff to do as well.