So much for that "innocent Americans aren't being wiretapped" talking point. A Pulitzer Prize winning journalist was not only wiretapped while doing his job in following-up on some sources, but it resulted in the FBI coming to his house to ask questions about his daughter -- who was away at college at the time and not a party to any calls being made to or from the family home.
Think it couldn't happen to you? Read on:
U.S. intelligence tapped the telephone calls of Lawrence Wright, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Looming Tower, starting in 2002....
As far as I can tell, only Pam Hess of the Associated Press picked up on Wright’s confrontation with spy chief Michael McConnell over the phone taps, and no major paper ran it. The version of her story that The Washington Post printed recounted McConnell’s telling Wright that water boarding would be “torture” if it were done to him, but dropped the five paragraphs Hess wrote on the eavesdropping. The New York Times and Wall Street Journal skipped Wright’s wiretap account altogether.
But The New Yorker’s Web site did feature an audio interview with Wright in which he described the visit of FBI agents to his Texas home in 2002 to quiz him about the telephone calls intercepted by U.S. intelligence.
The encounter came, mind you, amid the constant assurances from the Bush administration that the U.S. has not, and is not, “spying on Americans” or running a “warrantless domestic spying program.”
“Totally untrue!” McConnell told Wright, insisting that the conversations of American citizens with no connections to terrorists would be immediately discarded. U.S. intelligence is after al Qaeda, McConnell and others have repeatedly pledged, not innocent Americans.
“I’m telling you,” the former Air Force general said, “if you’re in the United States you have to have a warrant. Authorized by the court. Period!”
But Wright then told McConnell he had a more-than-professional interest in electronic surveillance.
“Let me make a disclosure,” he told the spy boss. “I have been monitored.”...
One of his intelligence sources had revealed to him that he had “read a summary of a telephone conversation that I had from my home with a source in Egypt.”
McConnell said the eavesdropping must have been triggered by getting a call “from some telephone number that’s associated with some known outfit.”
The journalist, however, had originated the call.
What happened next bears repeating, not just because it has gone largely unreported, but because it’s the kind of encounter many more Americans can expect if they end up as a target of our distressingly sloppy — some would say incompetent — counterterrorism agencies, if Congress extends a law (PL 110-55) enacted last August, that expanded the government’s electronic surveillance authority.
The law, which expires on Feb. 4, in effect turned U.S.-based Internet servers into a mail drop for U.S. intelligence.
In 2002 Wright was visited by two FBI agents after placing calls in the course of researching The Looming Tower, his Pulitzer Prize-winning account of the rise of al Qaeda and U.S. responses to it, as well as an article on al Qaeda’s number two leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
“They were members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force,” he recounted. “They wanted to know about phone calls made to a solicitor in England” who was upset that I was talking to some of her clients, who were jihadis, former members of Zawahiri’s terror organization in Egypt, and they wanted to know what we were talking about.”
What startled him, however, was that the visiting gumshoes thought that his daughter, Caroline, had made the calls.
“Our understanding is that these calls were placed by Caroline Wright,” they said.
But Wright’s daughter was off at college at the time. He now worries that “she’s now on the link chart as an al Qaeda connection.”...
The Congressional Quarterly report from which this was taken is a must read for anyone concerned with the incursions on the rule of law, and in having more effective, carefully targets surveillance and intelligence -- not illegal band-aids that mask the fact that without on-the-ground live intelligence work. All the sifting of phone calls and e-mails in the world only provides an illusion of security. And that sort of shoddy work results in a lot of calls to Pizza Hut...but is that the best use of our nation's national security apparatus?
We had a teenage German foreign exchange student live with us a few years ago. I have to wonder how many of our calls were tapped because she wanted to talk with her family back home on occasion? And are they still? Where there is no oversight, no limitation, no real concern for civil liberties in how this is done -- and no real way to assure that such care is being taken, even when good people behind the scenes try to be careful in what they do, all it takes is a few bad actors to rig the system -- how can any of us ever know whether we have been a target, or whether we still are years after the fact?
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On Air America - from below -they let go The Young Turks (which really was the media star last night as far as I am concerned). Alas, now there is no progressive on Air American anymore (at least in the XM version) before Rhodes comes on at 3:PM. Lionel is beyond awful -pompous, stupid, grating-and the new guy replacing TYT is milk toast.
Christy!
Great mag cover - love it!
Christy: This is profound, and scary. It also goes along with the travel situation with some individuals/groups such as Ted Kennedy and Friends and Environmentalists being put on the no fly list.
No way! If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
CHS!
I may have misunderstood this, but doesn’t what the administration is
asking fordemanding also cover e-mails? I can’t understand why there hasn’t been a hue and cry from the business community. Confidential business-related information is routinely sent in e-mails and as attachments. Or am I completely off base on this? (Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if I am — the FISA maneuverings are too Byzantine for me to follow accurately.)We may be “next”? How about “You may already have been monitored, and if FISA passes you would never know it.”
And of course, we probably all ARE being monitored right this moment by government agents assigned to keep an eye on what is said on these “radical, left wing, anti-American” blogs…
(To say nothing of Freeper printouts of FDL adorned with Sharpie circles and arrows and exclamation points and mailed anonymously into the FBI by “A. Patriot.”(
Yes. And, text messages.
one of perris’s concerns
Obama on the greg staph show. So far I am seeing the usual equivocal answers. Bankruptcy, now Rezko.
Emphasis added. IIRC, McConnell was a vice admiral in the Navy.
Sigh, you are SO hung up on that whole “journalistic accuracy and integrity” thing… That is, like, SO Twentieth-Century…
And Blackberries. And…
And the messages you type on this (subversive) board. And…..
I thought they had Thom Hartman in the mornings.
Yes, and (it is not pie we are talking about here!). What is surprising to me on this is how the Rethugs have turned 180 degrees on these privacy issues. When/where I grew up, this was THE key Republican issue. In the neighboring state, NH the motto was “Live Free or Die,” in part in reference to this. Frankly it is strange.
Not on Air America presented on XM radio. They have Ed Schulz on at noon in the Tom Hartman slot.
Christy,
I was born in ‘63. Raised in the 70’s. Indoctrinated in the 80’s. Disgusted by the 90’s. I can’t even tell you the range of emotions for the ot’s.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY AMERICA?
Or your digg it votes
Republican attitudes are very much a who’d-doing-it thing. FISA was enacted largely in response to Nixon’s attempts to use national intelligence apparatus to do oppo-research.
I was born in the 40s, raised in the 50s (campaigned for Eisenhower), protested in the 60s, did self-service in the 70s (advanced degree), worked mindlessly in the 80s, disgusted in the 90s, and began to push back in the 2000s after finding FDL & the voice of the web.
Yes, but don’t the Rethugs in Congress see the writing on the wall for the next election. Do they really want Billary (or any other Dem leader) to have the ability to read everyone’s emails, faxes, texts etc?
And the presidential candidates are worried about … identity politics?
That’s very disappointing. In fact, I had been thinking of getting XM specifically to have access to Air America in my car.
My first Presidential vote was for Kennedy.
I often like Ed Schulz (he’s entertaining, has on good people, and has pushed back on Billary). But yes XM is a disappointment. There are lots of right wing shows, but virtually no progressive one. Also (for me) I got tired very quickly of the music format (40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc, Starbucks, Classical).
I am a mental health therapist. I have a situation going on with a client that for the first time in my life, the fact that wire tapping goes on, that innocent people have been arrested and that my client is a very intelligent bi polar who can become psychotic, has culminated in my need to really consider the danger of being a U.S citizen.
The danger of course, is not about traveling to the middle east but the possibility that my client could become psychotic and find himself arrested, shipped off and tortured. Seems like you shouldn’t have to consider this a possibility but with this client, we have really had to consider the dangers of his travels and how his mental illness could cause confusion about who he is, and why he might be traveling.
Seriously. I would have thought in the past, that he would be safe. Today, I just can’t say that our government would take care of him, or that he would even be safe. He speaks several languages and is smart enough to sound convincing. We have talked about his fear that they would tap his phones and we know they will. We have talked about his fear that he would end up on some list, and we know he likely will.
It’s really a frightening proposition. You don’t realize how scary it really is, until you have to start considering the implications realistically. To top it off, this person can become paranoid in his psychosis. I have had to enlist my whole team to help with the wise mind about his traveling because I want to make sure we have facts and not fears and paranoia, but I am oh so, aware of how the current state of things in the U.S breeds paranoia and mental illness.
The facts have honestly changed. The rules have changed. It’s the first time I have had to consider the implication in a “real time” scenario.
I’ve been wondering about that. And I’ve concluded that the expanded FISA powers is red herring and a club to hit the dems with. IMHO, this bill is really about immunity for Bush, his henchmen, and their corporate sponsors. Remember, until Feb 2, Mukasey can authorize programs for a year, i.e., Bush can already do anything he wants by way of spying on us for the rest of his term standard term.
My first major fight with my to be spouse was over Bobbie Kennedy. (I was opposed :-) — so much for the insight of (my) youth!
Hell, I just *assume* I’m being monitored. I imagine that the NSA and I both wish my phone would ring more, my e-mails were more interesting, etc.
(waving to NSA guy)(note to NSA - that wave is what I call “finger-economy” - I only use one - conserves energy, ya know).
Good insight, and makes sense, but how do they then try to turn off the spigot, i.e. put the cat back in the bag?
I for one have watched all the hearing, and the repugs . are on the floor tell the dimwits that “if you do’nt go along no healthcare” They are useing blackmail tatics.
There is nothing subversive about this community. The subversive things are those things being done to our Constitution and the rule of law by Bush, Cheney and their enablers in Congress, and those who do their bidding. We’ve had at least 7 years of subversion by those pwople.
Brit Hume on Fox, first time ever I agree with him (on neg impact of Bill Clinton on SC election). Juan is coming off as milk toast (nothing new).
They are holding the nation hostage.
Kristol is ALSO making sense on Fox (on Clinton’s Jesse Jackson comment). He says if a Republican had said that, the Dems and MSM would be all over them. (Strange world this!)
Two pieces of news that came up in the past two weeks that show where this is going:
The New Yorker interview with DNI McConnell (also by Lawrence Wright), where he talks about wanting to examine the content of ALL web traffic (presumably without warrant):
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0114.html
The second is the news story from the last few days reporting that the White House wants to move FOIA responsibilities and funding from the National Archives to the Justice (Or Lack Thereof) Department:
http://thegate.nationaljournal.....minate.php
That’s why this FISA fight is so important - it is a stepping stone to even more intrusive warrantless monitoring. As McConnell says in the New Yorker article:
The fact that the MSM hardly reports on this constitutes negligence. When they do cover it, they often get the facts wrong.
Maybe I didn’t brew the sarcasm strong enough this morn.
My bad
My wife was sort of a second mother (briefly) to a student from Azerbaijan a couple of years ago. He was found to have advanced lymphoma and she stayed many nights at the University of Iowa Hospitals while his parents (working in Saudi Arabia) hurried to get visas so they could get here before he died. They got here on a Thursday. He died the following Saturday. His parents consider us family beacause we offered them comfort in their grief. When the body could not be sent back to Azerbaijan promptly because of quarantine regulations, she arranged to have him buried in the Muslim section of the cemetary in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She observed the washing of the body and the preparations for burial. She and I and a couple of faculty from the college helped to fill the grave as part of the service. His father, though also Muslim, calls us from Saudi Arabia to wish us a Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. Because of this, some poor slob at the NSA is probably assigned to monitor our calls too. What a waste!
Yes. Excellent, I had noted those two items two, but hadn’t put them together. This is very scary. Makes one wonder (tin foil hat time) that the Rethugs are planning on an “event” to subvert the election, and that these powers will be critical to stemming any push back, opposition.
Well, maybe the Dems should just compromise with the Pukes and trust them to work together on health care. I think President Obama will reach across the aisle like Reagan did and we will all work together.
These are completely unobjectionable legislative tactics. In a different world, we would be applauding Democrats for using these kinds of tactics to advance a progressive agenda.
I just assume we’re all being monitored also. Nothing going on here, of course, but when my daughter and I exchange email, we avoid using words that might trip the censors. Very sad.
You could consider doing the opposite. Jam the system!!
Solai,
I can give you a complete list of the words that don’t catch the prying eyes of our gov’t.
Here it is:
Got it?
I do remember discussing politics all the time.
Something should be noted here. It was a journalist who was listened to. I have never believed that all the wiretapping was designed to catch terrorists. I believe it was designed to provide blackmail material and to harass the press and those who would leak info.
I got your sarcasm, alright. I just wanted to tell the NSA-types sitting in to look at Bush, not at us. Plant the seed in thier head, so to speak. They need to be more afraid of their bosses than of us.
Somehow that message needs to be conveyed to more voters. None of the candidates seem to be touching it. Bush and Congress are the subverters, not the progressive blogs.
They want all the citizens’ emails, but they can get away with saying Karl Rove’s dog ate his.
My sense is that outside words that are linked to major violence that they are/will not do everyone, but those principally they single out for other reasons as “opponents” - people like environmentalists, anti-war advocates, anti-corporate types. This may be why the corporations are less upset with it, because they will be serviced by this.
Yes -like now (but we are both on the same page now).
Yes, of course, but with the new bill, it will be too lake for KKKarl too.
From the little I’ve read (mostly stuff by and about Mark Klein), the telcos installed splitters on the main trunks in and out of their major hubs. That means that the government gets everything going in and out. They are relying on the government to sort out which calls they are authorized to listen to. My conjecture is that they record and archive all of it for after-the-fact analysis. And, I have no idea to what extent their analyses are FISA authorized.
Remember the big to-do about online predators. Gonzales wanted more access to what people say online using the pretense of catching pedophiles. Then it was revealed that a young man had a list of pedophiles that he gave to the govt. (men who had paid him to view him online). NOT ONE of the men had been arrested or even interviewed by the govt. They were using his case as a reason for more surveillance, but they had not followed through with any of the names he gave them. What does that say about their motives?
Yes that is my sense of things too, but on your last point, I bet - not much!
Yes, excellent. And remember too, they put a pedophile onto the role of finding pedophiles, i.e. get his jollies off searching kiddie porn.
Most of their initial analyses are done by computers that are looking for “interesting” patterns. Does that constitute “listening in”? Depends on what the meaning of “listening” is.
If it’s accepted that computers don’t “listen,” then they might have a plausible arugument for all kinds of stuff up to the point where human agents actually listen to your (now recorded) call and or read a copy of your email.
Good Sunday morning you beautiful folks. Lahoma has talked me into going to church today. Actually two churches. We went to Mass early this morning (L. and i are Catholic. I have also been baptized into the Southern Baptist Church, for my Cherokee Father; Catholic for my Scottish Mother.) Although we do volunteer work for all the churches in this small burg of ours, we have have never attended church services. Lahoma advises me if we go to church once in a while, it will perhaps give us a “feel” for what’s going on. As to religion, Lahoma and i think if there is a Heaven, (and we believe there is) and one practices ‘the Golden Rule’ throughout their lives, you will get there. Lord almighty, I care for this woman.
‘morning, all.
We, this site, are/is being monitored. I have had hits on my site from the DOJ, the DOD, and CIFA, all of whose pathways came through FDL. So this is not a question.
My take is this: They already know everything, they already have all of our info, they already have EVERYTHING…so we might as well stand up and speak the truth! We have no secrets anymore, so we might as well stand up and say it as we see it!
There is a certain liberating aspect to that-”freedom is just another word for nothig left to lose.”
Dear Federal Government, and George W. Bush, Dickster Cheney and Karl: I would consider it an insult if I do not not appear on your long list of “suspects”.
IAOIYAR.
The right wingers are after Miranda too.
If it is computers that are doing the listening to phone calls, we are in trouble. (As if we didn’t know that.) The technology is not very good. Mr. Gnome worked with the guys who have the patents on it and even visited with one of the private firms in NYC that was owned by a bunch of Neocons. (I can’t remember which ones.) The neos wanted to buy the listening technology. It was Mr. Gnome who told them it didn’t work. Obviously that didn’t matter.
Off on the business of the Queen. See everyone later.
Exactly, the information is already out there. This is how I worked in Russia, too. Just figured they already knew everything about me, might as well speak the truth [with love of course].
It’s difficult to understand how this nation brought impeachment hearings agains Nixon and Clinton, but not GWB. How to you account for this?
You’ve got a realistic sense of what’s going on and I love your take that it can be Freeing!
So, continue to speak the truth, RonDog.
Hey Ron, I see we got on the ‘pewters at the same time!
Gang, guess what? We are having a mini-meetup in Tampa at 2:00.
There was no impeachment of Bush, because the votes were not there.
that’s what i got out of it @35
I had dinner the other night with a group of very high powered people, democrats even, who were totally shocked to think that even their e-mails and crackberries might be monitored. I couldn’t believe how naive they were. Of course they get their info from teevee, so what can you do?
As cool as it is to be part of this online community, it’s also very moving to be sharing a holy moment In Person with other physical beings present.
The singing together, the praying out loud together, you can actually feel the resonance in your body. Yes?
(I actually skipped church this am, staying out of the cold and rain to nurse this cold I’ve taken on, so that I can have the strength tomorrow to go to work.)
Are you worried about S. 2248 Monday? You have good reason to be. You have Democrats lining up to support Bush right and left, ignoring your pleas to vote rationally.
I’ll show you one important symptom of why S.2248 SSCI is likely to pass or our wishes for the outcome of that bill are in trouble.
We have a TV News show host who majored in poly sci at Columbia who used to battle on the hill for the Clintons much like in TV’s West Wing from the real West Wing.
And he has Barack Obama live for more than one half hour. Not once is he bringing up the vote on the bill Monday, and Obama’s planned absense and Clinton’s planned absense from the floor of the Senate.
That’s a major symptom of why S. 2248 is in big trouble on the floor of the Senate Monday. It’s a symptom of indifference.
Glad to see we got the Rezko question in though. Rezko, Rezko, Rezko. Is Rezko voting on the Senate floor on S. 2248 or will Rezko be watching voir doir in Chicago?
WASHINGTON - Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Friday he doesn’t plan for a special prosecutor to investigate whether the CIA broke the law when it destroyed videotapes of terror interrogations, defying some in Congress who want an independent look at the politically charged case.
Mukasey, in a 41-minute briefing with reporters, also ducked repeated questions about whether he considers waterboarding an illegal form of torture — an issue expected to be at the top of the agenda when he appears next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Speaking tersely and in an even, low tone, Mukasey would not discuss whether he has seen any evidence that destroying the interrogation tapes violated court orders or otherwise interfered with any case.
Posted at 11:20 and delayed until ???????
Part of this, as noted here earlier, is the fear this instills in the people, i.e. so that everyone is afraid that the government is following every word and footstep.
We have to re-double our efforts in the week ahead to fight the Intelligence version of the FISA bill, especially telco immunity and basket warrants. I believe this is important for several reasons:
- the telcos have to be spanked, so that they will be very reluctant to engage/enable warrantless wiretapping again
- the discovery process that is part of the civil suits needs to occur because it will further expose the law breaking of the Administration. This will hopefully cause current/future administrations to be reluctant to engage in OR EXPAND the warrantless monitoring of phone and Internet traffic.
- the Democratic Congress needs some kind of victory to help them find a stronger voice and to be reminded that they represent and work for US, the citizens - not the corporate lobbyists. They need to know that our expectations are high.
We all need to be working our own personal networks to get them to call/email/fax our senators and representatives to get them to come down on the right side of this legislation. We need to draw more people in as well. We’ve got to hit it hard again, starting today with faxes/emails and tomorrow morning with phone calls.
The stakes are high.
re you worried about S. 2248 Monday? You have very good reason to be. You have Democrats lining up to support Bush right and left, ignoring your pleas to vote rationally.
I’ll show you one important symptom of why S.2248 SSCI is likely to pass or our wishes for the outcome of that bill are in trouble.
We have a TV News show host who majored in poly sci at Columbia who used to battle on the hill for the Clintons much like in TV’s West Wing from the real West Wing.
And he has Barack Obama live for 23 minutes. Not once is he bringing up the vote on the bill Monday, and Obama’s planned absense and Clinton’s planned absense from the floor of the Senate.
That’s a major symptom of why S. 2248 is in big trouble on the floor of the Senate Monday. It’s a symptom of indifference.
Glad to see we got the Rezko question in though. Rezko, Rezko, Rezko. Is Rezko voting on the Senate floor on S. 2248 or will Rezko be watching voir doir in Chicago?
Some have said “give me liberty, or give me death”.
Gee, looks like 11:20 to me…
Bush Republicans are so scared that millions of unseen Muslims have infiltrated the United States and will, upon receiving the coded super-secret signal, rise up and wipe us all out. All 300 million of of us. They will do what the Nazis and Soviets couldn’t with their nearly unlimited resources (by comparison). And they’ll do it with cell phone, handguns, and explosives made from kitchen chemicals. Because this is going to happen, they are more than willing to give up all of their freedoms. Because they hate us for our freedoms. It’s all so stupid.
It just amazes me how so many Americans don’t mind the destruction of their country from within by their own government because a few buildings were knocked down and a few thousand people were killed. Yes, it was horrible, ghastly, and tragic, but it was nothing compared to what happened in Europe, Asia, and Africa during the 20th century, or Iraq since 2003. The problem is that war has never come to the United States. We’ve never experienced entire cities being wiped off the map in a single night from aerial bombing and the subsequent firestorms. The only times Americans have seen this kind of destruction is during hurricanes and earthquakes, and even the worst of those have resulted in relatively minor loss of life (compared to say, the bombing of Dresden).
I can’t say that is surprising. If there is an ongoing, active investigation, he’s prohibited from talking much about specifics because it can taint the investigation and/or any potential jury pool in the DC area if it is tried there when and if charges are filed.
Would be awfully interesting to know whether there is, indeed, an active investigation ongoing though, wouldn’t it? Since the appointment of the AUSA from CT, haven’t heard much of anything from there…but if they are grand jurying it, we aren’t likely to hear much for a while, I suppose.
Last week I asked (and did not hear), if we don’t get the requisite votes, does that mean that a Dodd (plus) filibuster is out of the questin.
Wow. Simply unbelievable.
We can’t trust the government in interpreting our phone calls. What if we’re on the phone with a loved one and say, “Honey, I’m picking up the yellow cake for the wedding on Saturday”? Can we trust the government to interpret this correctly or will they think this is a mafia-coded-call, meaning, “yellow cake” is actually for a nuke and “wedding” is actually the hit?
The government cannot be trusted! How many people have been rendered by our government that we don’t know about, all because they made a phone call and the gov didn’t interpret it correctly? Jees. I’m not sure I want to know the answer!
Posted at 11:25 again, still not up. The gist was that Stephanopolos is asking Obama nothing about S. 2248 and why he won’t be on the Senate floor to lead in getting the correct bill passed.
It intimated that outcome of S. 2248 was dire, and that the SSIC version would pass, and one very bright line symptom of this is the fact that although Stephanopolos is paid between $1-2 million by ABC to do news interviews on This Week and graduated summa cum laude with a degree in political science, and Stephanopoulos was the salutatorian of his class
he interviewed Obama for 23 minutes and did not lift a finger to ask Obama about why he or Clinton won’t take time to be on the floor in the Senate tomorrow to vote on one of the most important constitutional issues in the history of the Senate.
George S. did though get to the Rezko question, and my understanding of Senate rules is that Tony Rezko isn’t able to vote in the Senate on S. 2248 and the various cloture motions, but Obama and Clinton could have some impact.
Let me see if I get this staright. The government sends everybody about eight hundred dollars, and that fixes everything? Is that the deal?
AP - President Bush’s chief negotiator on an economic aid deal said Sunday the Senate should quickly get behind a plan or risk drawing the resentment of a frustrated public.
Are you worried about S. 2248 Monday? You have very good reason to be. You have Democrats lining up to support Bush right and left, ignoring your pleas to vote rationally.
I’ll show you one important symptom of why S.2248 SSCI is likely to pass or our wishes for the outcome of that bill are in trouble.
We have a TV News show host who majored in poly sci at Columbia who used to battle on the Hill for the Clintons much like in TV’s West Wing from the real West Wing. Stephanopolos is paid $1-2 million a year to do news interviews on This Week. He graduated Columbia University, majoring in political science summa cum laude and was the salutatorian of his class.
And he had Barack Obama live for 23 minutes. Not once is he bringing up the vote on the bill Monday, and Obama’s planned absence and Clinton’s planned absense from the floor of the Senate.
That’s a major symptom of why S. 2248 is in big trouble on the floor of the Senate Monday. It’s a symptom of indifference.
Glad to see we got the Rezko question in though. Rezko, Rezko, Rezko. Is Rezko voting on the Senate floor on S. 2248 or will Rezko be watching and worrying about voir doir in Chicago?
ooops — sorry, hit the publish button on the next post by mistake instead of save — it will be back in a short while. Apologies for any inconvenience…
Ooooo I hate it when you pull posts like that!
Especially when they look real good!
Are you hard refreshing the page? F5 or equivalent. I saw your post at 11.25 and several other similar ones…
What does this mean?
From MSNBC:
Dual stunners: Total turnout exceeds GOP’s and Obama’s margin of victory
oops, I dugg it too! :)
Tune into C-SPAN right now. Dick Cheney is talking about FISA!
The way I figure it ought to give me closer it 2 grand.
Which will fix everything.
Well, maybe not, but it will let me take the kids on a vacation I can’t otherwise afford.
Plan to send the rest to some candidates that act blue.
:)
Wait a minute. I thought Bush doesn’t make his decisions based on what the polls say?
Now he says it is important to bend to the will of the people.
So I guess it is time to start pulling troops out of Iraq, right George?
Fucking fraud.
-G
OT - (maybe for Christy later): Does the Obama SC victory mean that the South is now more firmly at play in the General election? (further support for Dean’s 50 state strategy - but also our ActBlue engagements).
If you have an IQ one 20th of the thermometer the stimulus plan is a pure joke. It’s typical of Hoyer, Pelosi, and Bush to preen with meaningless bullshit that helps no one, knowning they are insulated from any economic downturns because daddy left ‘em money or their husband makes a lot of money.
Krugman nails the joke of a stimulus here. One person likened it last night to throwing a kibble to a dog and was right.
Stimulus Gone Bad by Paul Krugman
No
A very good point, and I think that the only explanation is that there is a conscious news blackout on the FISA fight. Perhaps it’s tinfoil hat time, but when something gets so conspicuously ignored, I have to suspect a conspiracy at some level.
I’d rather shove my hand into a running garbage disposal than watch that corrupt old fascist spin his lies.
-G
Uh oh. GregB has lost his sense of humor! LOL
You obviously are not listening to Lee Rayburn. He is a great fill in for the sophomoric banter on TYT.
Is it a re-run of his Heritage Foundation speech from last week?