Comments on: South Carolina. Discuss.

By: mui1

mui1 — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:06:32 +0000

It’s not absolutely ridiculous to call Obama on his record. He gave a speech, and got into office and then his opposition disintegrated. He funded the war. I have not been following the Bill Clinton in SC saga, but I do think Hillary’s words were twisted when she said MLK, Jr. needed someone in the office (LBJ) to help get civil rights legislation passed. That is an obvious obvious to those of us who know have the hair-pulling experience of activism and lobbying. I don’t know what context the words were pulled from but various figures from Eleanore Roosevelt to the Kennedys were unable to do what LBJ accomplished (not mean enough maybe? I blame LBJ for MLK, Jrs death as well, since he apparently pulled security in retaliation for MLK, Jrs anti-Vietnam war stance.) Just now I heard persons interviewed in SC, regular voters, saying that Clinton said “MLK needed a white man to pass civil rights legisaltion.” Where the hell did that come from? Thats not what she said from what I heard on MSM. I will say that as a politician formerly mentored by noneother than down and dirty Holy Joe, Obama is not toothless. By no means whatsoever. I am also believe that this whole “racial” issue was started by friction between both candidates. With willfull misinterpretations on both end no doubt. And a lot of distortions from chattering MSM. And who knows? Maybe flyers in church parking lots are part of the puzzle as well. (Just love those corrupt old establishment dem tricks). It is more obvious to those who work inside the campaigns as to what is going on. But this stuff doesn’t come out till later. I am not going to call Hillary and Bill a race-baiter. Nor am I going to call Obama on any of this MSM shit, because I don’t have enough knowledge the kind that comes from working on the ground. This may look like a defense of Hillary. It is. I want the score to be even between them, because I think Obama and Hilary are alike on every score. They are political twins. May they duel each other into the political graveyard, and a pox on their campaigns for not showing up on now two occasions, to support Chris Dodd, the rule of law, and FISA legislation without telcom immunity.
Go Edwards. Grab their supporters!

By: neurophius

neurophius — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:06:24 +0000

MSNBC says Obama won by a substantial margin.

By: MyrtleJune

MyrtleJune — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:00:45 +0000

Christy, RBG, RonZuber….

Here’s one….. from the DNC email dated 1/2/2008 (the day hillary lost Iowa) and website. Howard Dean:

“No matter who you plan to vote for in the primary, there’s one simple fact we can all agree on: Any one of our candidates will be better than four more years of failed Republican policies.

Pledge your support for the Democratic nominee in 2008, and then ask your friends to do the same. Everyone - from the nominee to the media to the Republicans - should know just how many people are behind our candidate this year.

Help us make a big statement:

http://www.democrats.org/GetUnited

Thanks for signing on,

Howard Dean”

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/GetUnited
“Pledge to unite together as a party and support our nominee, whoever that may be,”

I go to look for the fdl post I’m referring to :-)

By: Valley Girl

Valley Girl — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:39 +0000

Hey there MM! Great comment.

By: Praedor

Praedor — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:49:28 +0000

THere isn’t an official loyalty oath push here or at the other progressive sites. There ARE those that push the next best thing: vote D no matter what because a D is ALWAYS better than a R.

This is factually not so. Some Ds ARE, for all practical purposes, Rs. Any who complain about those of us who will NOT vote for a D if they are, in fact, and R, or try to pressure us to vote R/D because an R/D is better than an R is objectively seeking a loyalty oath in all but name.

I have never gotten this from FDL site powers, but it does show up in the comments. There are a number of such comments claiming that we MUST vote for a D no matter what. Loyalty oath in all but name.

I don’t vote party line anymore. It really is that simple. I quit the party and became an Independent after Alito. I am a progressive and will not vote for ANY candidate, D or R, who votes counter to progressiveness. It’s that simple.

By: MyrtleJune

MyrtleJune — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:43:42 +0000

I’m absolutly in for that oath!

By: Praedor

Praedor — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:42:48 +0000

The current status of the SCROTUS is the Dems fault. Period. At no time did they EVER say “no” to a candidate put forward by the shitbags nutcases of the GOP. From the time of Clarence Thomas on the Dems have caved, caved, caved, caved. They had the only tool necessary to kill any one or all of those nominees in the Scalia/Thomas mold and they NEVER took it up. NEVER. They are at fault, just as they are at fault for the continued war in Iraq, the CONTINUED illegal spying on Americans (and trying to perpetuate it forevermore, amen).

A “D” by a name means very little. I don’t vote partyline anymore and I wont in November. I will vote AGAINST the D candidate whenever they are DLCers. For instance, Evan Bayh is NOT a real D but he has a D by his name - I will NOT vote for him. He is a sniveling limpdick. I will either not cast a vote in that race or I will cast a vote for even a Libertarian who is running against him.

Same goes for Hillary. I will vote 3rd party or not vote at all on that part of the ballot. She is Evan Bayh with ovaries.

By: MyrtleJune

MyrtleJune — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:42:27 +0000

Hey Christy, I’m not making an accusation at all. Its my observation. I’m sorry you’ve taken it personally. It was a post referencing an open left series that said to “get behind the push” who ever was the candidate come November. I observed this on the blogs I mentioned as well as here. Not trying to bang on you for it, especially not personally at all.

Dang, now I will go searching for the exact post and forward them to you. It a thought that I disagree with as I have on this thread. I’m not attacking anyone personally, here. Everyone is free to make their own choice in my book.

By: Maddy

Maddy — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:41:41 +0000

That defines it quite nicely.

By: wasabi

wasabi — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:41:13 +0000

I hate to say it but the tenor of the comments by “liberals” is turning this white seasoned liberal against liberals.