Christy!

Evening folks! Who has a guess — I think it’s going to be closer than everyone thinks…with last minute changes of mind again, just like NH.

Jeez am I fast. Got the zed, read the post first, and even clicked thru one of the links! Good luck with Young Turks tonight Christy.

Guessing will make me crazy. I’m just going to calmly wait and see.

Yah, right.

CarolynU, I loved your doe story at the end of Pull Up a Chair!

I’d occasionally heard stories of deer attacking people but could hardly believe it. Not any more.

hey guys, check out this cry baby stamping his feet and screeming at the top of his lungs (gleamed from the lead at think progress right now;

Bush threatens veto of 30-day FISA extension. » “The White House told Democratic congressional leaders” today that President Bush would veto “a 30-day extension of an expiring eavesdropping law and instead wants an expanded version to be passed by Friday.” In a statement, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-CA) called Bush’s posturing “shamefully irresponsible,” adding that “if there is any problem, the blame will clearly and unequivocally fall” on President Bush:

The White House threat to veto a short extension of the Protect America Act is shamefully irresponsible. The President is simply posturing in advance of Monday’s State of the Union address. […]

The House has already passed a FISA bill, and the Senate was ready to pass its own bill until Republicans blocked all amendments. At the same time, Democrats are ready to extend current law for as long as necessary, but Republicans are blocking that extension and the White House is threatening a veto.

holy crow, the democrats really need to laugh at this little boy, they need to shame him they need to tell him;

“If you don’t want to protect this country then it’s time to step down, you have alrady been far too remiss and we would welcome your resignation”

BADABING

shut this man’s mouth as SOON as he opens it!

Oh, Sweet Baby James! Love that song!

christy, I REALLY hope you get to read this before you go on, this is something the democrats HAVE to do, they have to SHAME the man in office and CHALLENGE him to either DO HIS JOB or step the frig down

This is off topic, but nonetheless an interesting article.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/G…..6Dj01.html

Well, let us pray that Harry Reid actually stands up on his hind legs (THAT would be a first) and does what he says he’s going to do. I’ll believe it when I see it.

wrt Feldman’s article on “identity politics”:

I think we may be overstressing this framing.

It is true — a tautalogy — that if we choose Obama, we can’t choose a woman, and if we choose Clinton, we can’t choose a black, but so what? It has always been true that by choosing white men, we did not choose either a black or a woman. And yet no one defined that as “identity politics.”

Obama is not running a campaign against whites; Clinton is not running a campaign against men. Edwards is not running against people who are more advantaged.

Obama is not arguing that people should vote against Hillary because she is a woman. Clinton is [I hope] not arguing that people should vote against Obama because he is black. And neither is arguing that people should vote against Edwards in order to keep the less advantaged down.

Assume three highly qualified candidates, any one of whom I could vote for in the general. Is there a problem with me voting for Obama because I think it’s past time we broke that barrier? I would say no. Or is there a problem with voting for Hillary because I think it’s time for that barrier to fall? Again, I’d say no.

If some women (and men) vote for Hillary because they want to see that barrier fall, they’re not voting for her because Obama is black. And what is the problem with this?

If blacks (and whites) vote for Obama because they want to see that barrier fall, they are not voting for him because Hillary is a woman. And what is the problem with them making that choice?

If I vote for Edwards because I think his anti-corporate framing is worthwhile, it doesn’t follow that I’m voting against women or blacks.

There is no perfect candidate that embodies all the qualities we seek. We cannot vote for all the characteristics/goals at once, and we have to choose. So far, no one seems to be asking us to choose for the wrong reasons.

So where is the problem? What does saying “each has an identity’” add to this?

» “The White House told Democratic congressional leaders” today that President Bush would veto “a 30-day extension of an expiring eavesdropping law and instead wants an expanded version to be passed by Friday.”

This would really be laughable if it wasn’t such a disgrace.

nd I’m wondering if this election cycle is going to sustain an “it’s the economy again, stupid” line of electoral questions all the way through –

IMO, that will be issue #1-10 in November. The only exception would be if the Bushite’s try some stunt to repeat the 2000 coup.

I predict the winner of the South Carolina primary today will become the Democratic nominee.

And I have absolutely no basis for saying that.

I just watched the NBC evening news coverage of the primary, all they talked about was conflict and horse race. Nothing about who stands for what and why.

FYI, you can also listen to the Young Turks here:

http://www.theyoungturks.com/

This page doesn’t have the annoying chat at the Brave New Films link, if you don’t want that running.

I, for one, think it would be a bunch of fun watching W hold his breath until he turns blue and kick and scream and have a howling tantrum, which is what I suppose he’ll do if he doesn’t get his way.

If Bush vetoes a FISA extension, he will just go ahead and keep breaking the law as he sees fit.

Exactly and that fits with the exit polling where 75% of the voters will be happy with either candidate.

Now concentrating on something other than the conflict and horse race would require them to get out and actually do some work.

Not gonna happen.

I predicted that I would grown up and become a meteorologist.

I became a storytelling milliner graphic designer. I no longer predict anything.

You expected coverage of the issues? On the EVENING NEWS? Gosh, you’re cute when you’re naive… (Don’t mean that as a slam, it’s what Mr. Marion in Savannah says to me when I’m incurably optimistic.)

Goin’ to (South) Carolina in My Mind… specifically between Spartanburg & Greenville.

My love to the folks who own Mason’s Hot Rods, the folks who work there, & the mad-as-hell Dems who showed up @ their last antique car/truck show to voice their concerns. You know who you are, out in the back warehouse where the b-b-que was being ladled out…

You play havoc w/all those polls ;-)

Really unfortunate. There have been a few articles lately on substance. One in the NYT on Hillary’s views about getting the right balance between markets and government intervention/regulation. I’ve seen no attention to that. Similarly, there was a good NYT article on Edwards yesterday on how he sees his health proposals gradually evolving towards single payer. Very important contribution to that debate, but again, no follow up. Haven’t seen anything comparable on Obama in weeks.

These are the kinds of topics/discussions that should get free rein in the debates, but the moderators always have somewhere else to go just before the conversation gets interesting.

Christy’s up now. Tight race.

Here is my prediction:
Obama-42
Clinton-31
Edwards-17

I don’t know. Just as I wouldn’t vote against someone because of their race or gender, I wouldn’t want to vote for someone for those reasons either.

Given two candidates that I liked equally, whose campaigns I watched, whose voting histories I studied, and still I could not choose between them, I suppose I’d allow myself to think in terms of voting for one because she was female or another because he/she was black. But it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’d be discriminating against the person not female, or not black.

And though I believe it will be a proud day in this country to elect our first female president, or our first black president, I need to look at the candidates’ positions on the issues, period.

Wow. 75% is a really important number — says the media are hyping something they and the pundits made up.

I like what you wrote here as usual.

Christy’s on Young Turks…

Excellent!

Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a state legislator who represents part of Orangeburg County, said some of the unemployment among blacks stemmed from poor education by the state’s money-starved rural schools.

The same thing happens all over. There are counties in Tennessee where fewer than 50% of entering high school freshmen graduate. Sure we have a docile workforce, but we have no chance at anything high tech. Our smartest kids leave, there isn’t anything interesting for them to do here, except teach at some of our universities, so the next generation can get out of here.

Christy – just so smart and articulate.

Carolyn — I think we’ve been taught that voting for someone because of race/ethnicity or gender is wrong, but you just described a perfect example of why it would both make sense and, IMO not be wrong. I would gladly vote for the first black/Hispanic/woman given the opportunity, because in the long run, it expands the public perceptions of the acceptable talent pool — and gets more points of view into the debate — I see it as a positive goal, not something to feel badly about.

Progressive phone company that will not unlawfully give info to the NSA.

Christy’s on Young Turks…

Now this is a substantiative conversation. More please!

Wow! Thanks for the link. I don’t use one of the things, but I’ll let everyone I know who does about this company. THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!

KO predicts Obama will win, and by a substantial margin.

Are ya afflicted with dial-up woes? I’ve missed some portions, so I’m unable to live-blog… ;-)

I gave up my land line altogether.

Okay. The polls just closed, and Obama has been declared winner by “a substantial margin.”

Based on MSNBC exit polls.

KO says Obama is the projected winner…!

MSNBC just called it for Obama.

Carolyn — I think we’ve been taught that voting for someone because of race/ethnicity or gender is wrong, but you just described a perfect example of why it would both make sense and, IMO not be wrong. I would gladly vote for the first black/Hispanic/woman given the opportunity, because in the long run, it expands the public perceptions of the acceptable talent pool — and gets more points of view into the debate — I see it as a positive goal, not something to feel badly about.

good point, after the 2006 elections, it was so nice to just see more diversity for committee chairs in Congress. It was a pleasure. More importantly is the expanded input, broader point of view.

Are ya afflicted with dial-up woes? I’ve missed some portions, so I’m unable to live-blog… ;-)

I’m afflicted with slooo typing skills.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/

I’m afflicted with the same skill set, a true Hunt and Pecker… *g*

CNN also saying Obama won.

Why, oh why, do we have to deal with Noron?

I’m afflicted with the same skill set, a true Hunt and Pecker… *g*

So many jokes – not a one of which is socially acceptable…*g*

Does anyone have the count-o-meter like someone shared during the Iowa contest?

It looks like it’ll be nip and tuck for second, between Hill and Edwards…

I was just thinking the very same thing. *g*

I clearly needed more caffeine before doing that interview…hope that wasn’t too convoluted.

What a frickin’ surprise. “Barack Obama did poorly among whites without a college education.” I guess she’s never been in the Deep South before…

Do you mean a page showing votes? This page is supposed to:

http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin…..-012608.pl

Nothing yet. CNN should also have a page.

I don’t think there are any actual returns in yet – this is all based on exit polling – I think.

David Kurtz is saying it’s too close to call for second place between Edwards and Clinton.

Heh, I almost typed ‘head’ to close out… ;-)

You did a great job!!

Do you mean this? It doesn’t seem to be live yet, too early.

Christy, you were great. Made me renew how proud I am of all of our candidates. November is the prize.

You were Mah-velous M’Dear…! 8-)

You were nothing like convoluted. Clarity was the word that actually came to mind.

Huzzah!

Yeah, Christy, terrific job.

Nice job, Redd.

Thank you RobZ and Marion.

MSNBC has Edwards with 1% of the black vote. That is an amazing number.

Arrgh, I hope Edwards no.’s improve significantly…

Here’s the CNN results page.

83% of the BV for Obama…

I don’t know what to say about Obamam at the top, but, I’m Real Glad about Edwards’ projected numbers.
(sorry, Loo Hoo….no offense to you, of course.)

I read your comment and got a mental picture of Percy in The Green Mile.
That’s how I’ll perceive shrub, for a while, at least.

Obama 70 percent
Clinton 18 percent
Edwards 12 percent

MSNBC with 0 percent of votes reported

Hi all,
For those of us who are cable/teevee challenged (doing this from a Panera in LA) what are the current numbers please?

MSNBC is playing this, so far, as Obama winning because of the perceived mistreatment by the Clinton campaign.

I don’t really get how they can call the race with – ZERO percent of the precincts counted? Can that be right?

Do you sense that they have it in for Sen. Clinton?

I think it’s based on their own exit polling

Exit polling.

Hi all,
For those of us who are cable/teevee challenged (doing this from a Panera in LA) what are the current numbers please?

Hi! RevDeb nice to see you here

Obama 71 percent
Clinton 20 percent
Edwards 8 percent

still 0 percent reported

The NYT has good reason to flog both McCain and Clinton. Both would invade Iran.

Ron Paul is for Peace and Privacy.

Those are the same exit polls that they “miscounted” in Ohio, right? That showed Kerry way out in front, and then, whoops, error, Bush really won?

They’re utilizing the exit polling data… Which is supposed to closely reflect the true no.’s, yet, ask the Kenyans about that…

None taken, my dear. Bill is doing a number on Hillary.

Good to be here even though briefly. Can’t wait to get home late Mon.

neuro—thanks for the numbers. Wanting Edwards to do so much better. Hoping. . . . hoping. . . .

Heh. I see you have a good memory too!

Is this just their exit poll breakdown???

Me too, Deb.

sounds somewhat like that so far. Harping on how the Democrats can’t win without the black vote and the young vote, which she apparently can’t get. Don’t know that I’d see it as a ‘personal’ attack, per se.

Just making the easy, if shallow, points so far.

Yeah, and ask Kerry about that!!

RevDeb, if you can’t have cable you can have CNN’s web page with results. Enjoy!

I’m really not sure whether it is based on their exit polls, or whether a very small number (less than 1 percent) of votes have actually been reported.

Thanks, but I have to check out. Have to replace mom’s cell phone— which got drowned in the laundry today—before the store closes.

Go Edwards!

Hugs to all

*poof*

Heh, all kinds of numbers are being thrown around… However, they all point to an Obama victory!

Obama will make his victory speech at 9 p.m. EST.

You mean you’re going to miss the SOTU? I was thinking it would be fun to see how many Orwellian terms he would use.

We should welcome his veto; the perfectly suitable former FISA law would then be in place after the sunset of this abominable one. Reid has the authority to not move on changing the law to suit Bush’s veto. We Win!!!

yes, fingers crossed for Edwards.

I’ve never been exit polled and I’m not so sure I’d be especially forthright if I were exit polled.

Obama 63 percent
Clinton 24 percent
Edwards 12 percent

Still 0 percent reported

It would be nice to know whether Edwards’ strong regions of the state have been reported yet.

That, and, after she Stayed By Her Man.
Sheesh is all I gotta say right now.

I’ll be on an airplane. I’ll also miss the FISA insanity in the senate. Damn.

Obama 60 percent
Clinton 26 percent
Edeards 14 percent

Wow. Team Hillary sent out Robo calls against Edwards.

WTF?

70%, 21% ,9%. O,C,E. According to CNN just now.

That, and, after she Stayed By Her Man.
Sheesh is all I gotta say right now.

that really really bugs me. why do they hold it against them?

Now I’ve really got to go.

Save the country while I’m gone all of you. Please.

In NH…the first numbers that came out were 85% Obama…39% Clinton….after a couple of hours everything was completely changed..

I’d be so much happier if that 0 percent would just go up a little when those changes pop up…I know it’s a bigger population than NH, but that ought to be going up to at least some percent reporting it, shouldn’t it?

Obama 57 percent
Clinton 29 percent
Edwards 13 percent

I don’t know if these numbers have any meaning. MSNBC seems to think they do.

Things are a poppin’.

AP – Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially-charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.

AP – John McCain accused Mitt Romney of wanting to set a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, drawing immediate protest from his Republican presidential rival who said: “That’s simply wrong and it’s dishonest, and he should apologize.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPsIPKZJgI

Mr. Edwards, your country needs you!

Neither have I, and I think I would tell them to bug off.

I am clearly shocked at this result.

-G

CNN:

Obama

2,454

58%

0

0%
reporting

Clinton

1,244

29%

0

Edwards

546

13%

0

Kucinich

12

0%

I do believe Obama will win SC, but I do hope Edwards will do better than anyone is projecting now. Who know that being an attractive white male would be a handicap?!

Go Johnny Go Go.

McCain is so stupid that he thinks this will be the smart position to be defending in a few months.

-G

BTW, folks, take note that 0% are reporting still…

Hillary 24%
Edwards 12%

Greenville News

Used to be rather large ‘dog’ has become a small pup.

For what it’s worth, the SC state site has nothing up yet.

I don’t recall any of the polls before today predicting this big a win for Obama. Are the numbers now being posted bad, or was there a huge late surge for Obama?

And they have said they cant call it.

I do believe Obama will win SC, but I do hope Edwards will do better than anyone is projecting now. Who know that being an attractive white male would be a handicap?!

there are those who would say that’s progress — of a sort

Who know that being an attractive white male would be a handicap?!
reply

I live it everyday. /snark

It’s almost all exclusively based on exit polling. Which means until I see some real numbers I’m taking it with several grains of salt.

Well how fast can a precinct or poll report results officially?
I mean the doors just physically closed on the vote.

I would so love to see Edwards finish second … and I am very happy to see high numbers for Obama so hopefully we can move past the story that Bill’s approach was winning. Let’s have a real run between three candidates instead of the war of surrogate smears. I sure didn’t want to hear the MSM arguing that nastiness works for Clinton which completely undermines the enthusiasm of new recruits to voting and the party.

I also think Hillary is a much stronger candidate when she’s operating more on her own (think NH) than as a part of the duo.

Well, yeah, if only he weren’t the only progressive… [sigh]

Obama 58 percent
Clinton 28l percent
Edwards 13 percent

0 percent reporting

Keith says the “0″ represents the number of precincts that have reported.

I also think Hillary is a much stronger candidate when she’s operating more on her own (think NH) than as a part of the duo.

Amen. I don’t know who can do it, but somebody needs to slap a muzzle on Bill.

And how will Camp Clinton spin this S.C. thing as a win? If we are to choose between Clinton or Obama, we will take Obama. Hands down.

Harry Reid should use rules of order to keep Senate in session during the State of the Union to retain oversight of FISA and recycle the vote once again, retain the sunsets.

We in this house agree with you. But that’s nothing new!

Now with 2 percent reporting:

Obama 51 percent
Clinton 34
Edwards 15

Who know that being an attractive white male would be a handicap?!
reply

I live it everyday. /snark

you really are one! no snarkin’

KO reports Clinton will come in second

Maybe, Hill will finally hand Penn his walking papers… ;-)

I just GOTTA quote PhysioProf in comment #3 2 threads ago:

Hi, Jane!

I just want to go sleep and wake up with the primaries over, so we can get down to vilifying whichever insane wackadoodle wingnut fucknozzle wriggles out of the clown car first.

It’s got to be one of the best comments about the primary season I’ve ever seen.

Large doggie is an overgrown, out of control, narcissitic puppy who is full of himself. Shut up Billy! Get back n the pup house.

Obama 53
Clinton 32
Edwards 15

3% reported

Obama is getting more than 50 percent of white voters, if I understood correctly.

Howard Fineman says Bill has been repudiated as a weapon or force in this campaign.

Ain’t that the truth. ;0)

Obama is getting more than 50 percent of white voters, if I understood correctly.

No, I think it’s something like 24%.

I like the fact that Edwards is maintaining the 15% threshold… He’ll pick up some more delegates… Denver should be interesting… However, I still find great glee in the notion that all the Repug delegates will be visiting the newest historical landmark… Or will they hold it in as long as possible… ;-)

ummm, hasn’t “clown car” taken on a meaning of its own here at FDL?

h/t Mary McCurnin

For Marion in Savannah from Lahoma and me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiOu-2j2660

That is was….that it was.

Since Christy, asked “And, even more important, what do you think are the biggest issues for Americans going forward?”
I think our banking system has some trouble, look at a chart of Citigroup, symbol C, down 50% and we are not even in a recession, yet. Who knew that banks were loaning money to people who could not pay it back?

CNN:

Obama 52
Clinton 29
Edwards 19

We are so screwed… Since we’ve already had the ‘Great Depression’, it’ll be referred to as the ‘Great Recession’… 8-(

Ooh, 50% O, 30% H, and 20% E, with 9% reporting!

Ob 50
Cl 29
Ed 20

MSNBC

Wow, the brave new films link is the number one link on Digg. I don’t think there was much Digg interest in the Republican result.

In case folks missed it, Jane’s got a new thread upstairs.

I hope Edwards can hold that 20 percent

Apparently, the RightWing Nuttia can’t Digg it! ;-)

Thanks for keeping us posted on this.

Christy,

With the WH response to Reid, should we add the WH to our phoning and faxing irt FISA?

If Obama holds to 50% territory, that is a BIG loss for Clinton. This isn’t the close(er) race of previous primaries, this is a relative blowout. Perhaps the nasty race-tinged Rovism coming home to roost.

If obama got 50% of white male vote, doesn’t that dissipate the whole race race issue? By the way The Young Turks site is amazing.