A heads up: I'll be on with the Young Turks and Brave New Films primary election coverage around 6:45-ish pm ET this evening. They'll be doing live coverage throughout the evening, with a lot of familiar folks coming on to talk politics and primary season. So tune in!
Shaila Dewan (whose reporting I generally love) had a glimpse of economic disparities along the racial divide in South Carolina today that is worth discussing at length. She focuses on a town called Orangeburg -- Mr. ReddHedd and I always joke that all roads in SC lead to Orangeburg because, truly, they all seem to do just that when we are driving down that way. And this struck me in her piece:
“My cousin works at McDonald’s,” she said. “She said some people like working there because they get benefits. That’s what they go for now.”
Because Orangeburg is a blue county in a red state, it has been visited by all the Democratic candidates, some more than once. Health care, gasoline prices and trade imbalances are all pocketbook issues here....
Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a state legislator who represents part of Orangeburg County, said some of the unemployment among blacks stemmed from poor education by the state’s money-starved rural schools. The school system was recently portrayed in a documentary about education along Interstate 95 called “Corridor of Shame,” a phrase Mr. Obama used in the debate in Myrtle Beach on Monday.
“The issue is education and the effect of a lack of a quality education on the level playing field,” Ms. Cobb-Hunter said.
I'm hearing so much economic uncertainty and fears across the economic divide -- and from readers everywhere across the country. Much more than concerns about any other issue at the moment, and I'm wondering if this election cycle is going to sustain an "it's the economy again, stupid" line of electoral questions all the way through -- or whether this is a temporary outgrowth of market/housing volatility. Somehow, I think the questions are going to keep on coming for quite a while. Anyone else sensing that "kitchen table" pocketbook politics is going to be key this year?
Any doubts that the media is enjoying stoking the race versus gender questions? Read on. Jeffrey Feldman has a thought-provoking piece on indentity politics worth your time today, which makes an excellent riposte.
And the WaPo finally highlights something that we've talked about several times: the vast disparity in coverage of the Edwards campaign with the Clinton and Obama campaigns. (Huge thank you, btw, to the Edwards campaign for standing up for the rule of law yet again.) Meanwhile, Jamison Foser has a few choice thoughts for "horse race" analysis (Mark Halperin, meet your petard.)
The South Carolina primary is still going -- votes are being cast, and the polls seemed to be tightening up over the last few days since the last debate. Any guesses on results? And, even more important, what do you think are the biggest issues for Americans going forward? And can we have more discussions on those instead of fluff and nonsense? What do you think?
(YouTube: One of my favorite James Taylor songs -- Carolina In My Mind.)
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Christy!
Evening folks! Who has a guess — I think it’s going to be closer than everyone thinks…with last minute changes of mind again, just like NH.
Jeez am I fast. Got the zed, read the post first, and even clicked thru one of the links! Good luck with Young Turks tonight Christy.
Guessing will make me crazy. I’m just going to calmly wait and see.
Yah, right.
CarolynU, I loved your doe story at the end of Pull Up a Chair!
I’d occasionally heard stories of deer attacking people but could hardly believe it. Not any more.
hey guys, check out this cry baby stamping his feet and screeming at the top of his lungs (gleamed from the lead at think progress right now;
holy crow, the democrats really need to laugh at this little boy, they need to shame him they need to tell him;
“If you don’t want to protect this country then it’s time to step down, you have alrady been far too remiss and we would welcome your resignation”
BADABING
shut this man’s mouth as SOON as he opens it!
Oh, Sweet Baby James! Love that song!
christy, I REALLY hope you get to read this before you go on, this is something the democrats HAVE to do, they have to SHAME the man in office and CHALLENGE him to either DO HIS JOB or step the frig down
This is off topic, but nonetheless an interesting article.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/G.....6Dj01.html
Well, let us pray that Harry Reid actually stands up on his hind legs (THAT would be a first) and does what he says he’s going to do. I’ll believe it when I see it.
wrt Feldman’s article on “identity politics”:
I think we may be overstressing this framing.
It is true — a tautalogy — that if we choose Obama, we can’t choose a woman, and if we choose Clinton, we can’t choose a black, but so what? It has always been true that by choosing white men, we did not choose either a black or a woman. And yet no one defined that as “identity politics.”
Obama is not running a campaign against whites; Clinton is not running a campaign against men. Edwards is not running against people who are more advantaged.
Obama is not arguing that people should vote against Hillary because she is a woman. Clinton is [I hope] not arguing that people should vote against Obama because he is black. And neither is arguing that people should vote against Edwards in order to keep the less advantaged down.
Assume three highly qualified candidates, any one of whom I could vote for in the general. Is there a problem with me voting for Obama because I think it’s past time we broke that barrier? I would say no. Or is there a problem with voting for Hillary because I think it’s time for that barrier to fall? Again, I’d say no.
If some women (and men) vote for Hillary because they want to see that barrier fall, they’re not voting for her because Obama is black. And what is the problem with this?
If blacks (and whites) vote for Obama because they want to see that barrier fall, they are not voting for him because Hillary is a woman. And what is the problem with them making that choice?
If I vote for Edwards because I think his anti-corporate framing is worthwhile, it doesn’t follow that I’m voting against women or blacks.
There is no perfect candidate that embodies all the qualities we seek. We cannot vote for all the characteristics/goals at once, and we have to choose. So far, no one seems to be asking us to choose for the wrong reasons.
So where is the problem? What does saying “each has an identity’” add to this?
» “The White House told Democratic congressional leaders” today that President Bush would veto “a 30-day extension of an expiring eavesdropping law and instead wants an expanded version to be passed by Friday.”
This would really be laughable if it wasn’t such a disgrace.
IMO, that will be issue #1-10 in November. The only exception would be if the Bushite’s try some stunt to repeat the 2000 coup.
I predict the winner of the South Carolina primary today will become the Democratic nominee.
And I have absolutely no basis for saying that.
I just watched the NBC evening news coverage of the primary, all they talked about was conflict and horse race. Nothing about who stands for what and why.
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I, for one, think it would be a bunch of fun watching W hold his breath until he turns blue and kick and scream and have a howling tantrum, which is what I suppose he’ll do if he doesn’t get his way.
If Bush vetoes a FISA extension, he will just go ahead and keep breaking the law as he sees fit.
Exactly and that fits with the exit polling where 75% of the voters will be happy with either candidate.
Now concentrating on something other than the conflict and horse race would require them to get out and actually do some work.
Not gonna happen.
I predicted that I would grown up and become a meteorologist.
I became a storytelling milliner graphic designer. I no longer predict anything.
You expected coverage of the issues? On the EVENING NEWS? Gosh, you’re cute when you’re naive… (Don’t mean that as a slam, it’s what Mr. Marion in Savannah says to me when I’m incurably optimistic.)
Goin’ to (South) Carolina in My Mind… specifically between Spartanburg & Greenville.
My love to the folks who own Mason’s Hot Rods, the folks who work there, & the mad-as-hell Dems who showed up @ their last antique car/truck show to voice their concerns. You know who you are, out in the back warehouse where the b-b-que was being ladled out…
You play havoc w/all those polls ;-)
Really unfortunate. There have been a few articles lately on substance. One in the NYT on Hillary’s views about getting the right balance between markets and government intervention/regulation. I’ve seen no attention to that. Similarly, there was a good NYT article on Edwards yesterday on how he sees his health proposals gradually evolving towards single payer. Very important contribution to that debate, but again, no follow up. Haven’t seen anything comparable on Obama in weeks.
These are the kinds of topics/discussions that should get free rein in the debates, but the moderators always have somewhere else to go just before the conversation gets interesting.
Christy’s up now. Tight race.
Here is my prediction:
Obama-42
Clinton-31
Edwards-17
I don’t know. Just as I wouldn’t vote against someone because of their race or gender, I wouldn’t want to vote for someone for those reasons either.
Given two candidates that I liked equally, whose campaigns I watched, whose voting histories I studied, and still I could not choose between them, I suppose I’d allow myself to think in terms of voting for one because she was female or another because he/she was black. But it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. I’d be discriminating against the person not female, or not black.
And though I believe it will be a proud day in this country to elect our first female president, or our first black president, I need to look at the candidates’ positions on the issues, period.
Wow. 75% is a really important number — says the media are hyping something they and the pundits made up.
I like what you wrote here as usual.
Christy’s on Young Turks…
Excellent!
The same thing happens all over. There are counties in Tennessee where fewer than 50% of entering high school freshmen graduate. Sure we have a docile workforce, but we have no chance at anything high tech. Our smartest kids leave, there isn’t anything interesting for them to do here, except teach at some of our universities, so the next generation can get out of here.
Christy - just so smart and articulate.
Carolyn — I think we’ve been taught that voting for someone because of race/ethnicity or gender is wrong, but you just described a perfect example of why it would both make sense and, IMO not be wrong. I would gladly vote for the first black/Hispanic/woman given the opportunity, because in the long run, it expands the public perceptions of the acceptable talent pool — and gets more points of view into the debate — I see it as a positive goal, not something to feel badly about.
Progressive phone company that will not unlawfully give info to the NSA.
Now this is a substantiative conversation. More please!
Wow! Thanks for the link. I don’t use one of the things, but I’ll let everyone I know who does about this company. THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!
KO predicts Obama will win, and by a substantial margin.
Are ya afflicted with dial-up woes? I’ve missed some portions, so I’m unable to live-blog… ;-)
I gave up my land line altogether.
Okay. The polls just closed, and Obama has been declared winner by “a substantial margin.”
Based on MSNBC exit polls.
KO says Obama is the projected winner…!
MSNBC just called it for Obama.
good point, after the 2006 elections, it was so nice to just see more diversity for committee chairs in Congress. It was a pleasure. More importantly is the expanded input, broader point of view.
I’m afflicted with slooo typing skills.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/
I’m afflicted with the same skill set, a true Hunt and Pecker… *g*
CNN also saying Obama won.
Why, oh why, do we have to deal with Noron?
I’m afflicted with the same skill set, a true Hunt and Pecker… *g*
So many jokes - not a one of which is socially acceptable…*g*
Does anyone have the count-o-meter like someone shared during the Iowa contest?
It looks like it’ll be nip and tuck for second, between Hill and Edwards…
I was just thinking the very same thing. *g*
I clearly needed more caffeine before doing that interview…hope that wasn’t too convoluted.
What a frickin’ surprise. “Barack Obama did poorly among whites without a college education.” I guess she’s never been in the Deep South before…
Do you mean a page showing votes? This page is supposed to:
http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin.....-012608.pl
Nothing yet. CNN should also have a page.
I don’t think there are any actual returns in yet - this is all based on exit polling - I think.
David Kurtz is saying it’s too close to call for second place between Edwards and Clinton.
Heh, I almost typed ‘head’ to close out… ;-)
You did a great job!!
Do you mean this? It doesn’t seem to be live yet, too early.
Christy, you were great. Made me renew how proud I am of all of our candidates. November is the prize.
You were Mah-velous M’Dear…! 8-)
You were nothing like convoluted. Clarity was the word that actually came to mind.
Huzzah!
Yeah, Christy, terrific job.
Nice job, Redd.
Thank you RobZ and Marion.
MSNBC has Edwards with 1% of the black vote. That is an amazing number.
Arrgh, I hope Edwards no.’s improve significantly…
Here’s the CNN results page.
83% of the BV for Obama…
I don’t know what to say about Obamam at the top, but, I’m Real Glad about Edwards’ projected numbers.
(sorry, Loo Hoo….no offense to you, of course.)
I read your comment and got a mental picture of Percy in The Green Mile.
That’s how I’ll perceive shrub, for a while, at least.
Obama 70 percent
Clinton 18 percent
Edwards 12 percent
MSNBC with 0 percent of votes reported
Hi all,
For those of us who are cable/teevee challenged (doing this from a Panera in LA) what are the current numbers please?
MSNBC is playing this, so far, as Obama winning because of the perceived mistreatment by the Clinton campaign.
I don’t really get how they can call the race with - ZERO percent of the precincts counted? Can that be right?
Do you sense that they have it in for Sen. Clinton?
I think it’s based on their own exit polling
Exit polling.
Hi! RevDeb nice to see you here
Obama 71 percent
Clinton 20 percent
Edwards 8 percent
still 0 percent reported
The NYT has good reason to flog both McCain and Clinton. Both would invade Iran.
Ron Paul is for Peace and Privacy.
Those are the same exit polls that they “miscounted” in Ohio, right? That showed Kerry way out in front, and then, whoops, error, Bush really won?
They’re utilizing the exit polling data… Which is supposed to closely reflect the true no.’s, yet, ask the Kenyans about that…
None taken, my dear. Bill is doing a number on Hillary.
Good to be here even though briefly. Can’t wait to get home late Mon.
neuro—thanks for the numbers. Wanting Edwards to do so much better. Hoping. . . . hoping. . . .
Heh. I see you have a good memory too!
Is this just their exit poll breakdown???
Me too, Deb.
sounds somewhat like that so far. Harping on how the Democrats can’t win without the black vote and the young vote, which she apparently can’t get. Don’t know that I’d see it as a ‘personal’ attack, per se.
Just making the easy, if shallow, points so far.
Yeah, and ask Kerry about that!!
RevDeb, if you can’t have cable you can have CNN’s web page with results. Enjoy!
I’m really not sure whether it is based on their exit polls, or whether a very small number (less than 1 percent) of votes have actually been reported.
Thanks, but I have to check out. Have to replace mom’s cell phone— which got drowned in the laundry today—before the store closes.
Go Edwards!
Hugs to all
*poof*
Heh, all kinds of numbers are being thrown around… However, they all point to an Obama victory!
Obama will make his victory speech at 9 p.m. EST.
You mean you’re going to miss the SOTU? I was thinking it would be fun to see how many Orwellian terms he would use.
We should welcome his veto; the perfectly suitable former FISA law would then be in place after the sunset of this abominable one. Reid has the authority to not move on changing the law to suit Bush’s veto. We Win!!!
yes, fingers crossed for Edwards.
I’ve never been exit polled and I’m not so sure I’d be especially forthright if I were exit polled.
Obama 63 percent
Clinton 24 percent
Edwards 12 percent
Still 0 percent reported
It would be nice to know whether Edwards’ strong regions of the state have been reported yet.
That, and, after she Stayed By Her Man.
Sheesh is all I gotta say right now.
I’ll be on an airplane. I’ll also miss the FISA insanity in the senate. Damn.
Obama 60 percent
Clinton 26 percent
Edeards 14 percent
Wow. Team Hillary sent out Robo calls against Edwards.
WTF?
70%, 21% ,9%. O,C,E. According to CNN just now.
that really really bugs me. why do they hold it against them?
Now I’ve really got to go.
Save the country while I’m gone all of you. Please.
In NH…the first numbers that came out were 85% Obama…39% Clinton….after a couple of hours everything was completely changed..
I’d be so much happier if that 0 percent would just go up a little when those changes pop up…I know it’s a bigger population than NH, but that ought to be going up to at least some percent reporting it, shouldn’t it?
Obama 57 percent
Clinton 29 percent
Edwards 13 percent
I don’t know if these numbers have any meaning. MSNBC seems to think they do.
Things are a poppin’.
AP - Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially-charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.
AP - John McCain accused Mitt Romney of wanting to set a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, drawing immediate protest from his Republican presidential rival who said: “That’s simply wrong and it’s dishonest, and he should apologize.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNPsIPKZJgI
Mr. Edwards, your country needs you!
Neither have I, and I think I would tell them to bug off.
I am clearly shocked at this result.
-G
CNN: