Quite a few feminist activists are not supporting Hillary Clinton in her bid for the presidency. And that may seem odd, given that she's the first viable woman candidate to run for the White House. She remains highly suspect to her cohort: middle- and upper-middle-class educated and professional white women over 40 years old.
Rebecca Traister gives her own reason why she's not supporting her:
Unlike its sister gem, "I'm not a feminist, but ..." (an utterance that nearly always gives away the fact that its speaker is in fact a feminist), the Hillary disavowal, in my case, has been true: I really am not a Hillary Clinton supporter. A feminist by trade, I have wished that I could get behind Clinton, a woman I admired when she first arrived in the White House 15 years ago. But there has been nothing in her steady, ineluctable move to the center that I could embrace; I understood why she did it, but it cost her my support.
And Frances Kissling states her own reason:
The sad fact is that Clinton has felt compelled to run as a stereotypical male. In her own mind it is only a certain kind of man who is qualified to be president and she will be that man: tough on everything from war, flag burning, kids' access to video games, illegal immigrants and Palestinians. She has missed the opportunity to talk about what it really means for women to be equal in this country. She has shown no interest in using her extensive international experience to push for more women in party leadership, state legislatures and even the Senate. A woman candidate who considered her gender a strength (as opposed to something she needed to overcome) would announce a series of measures specifically designed to ensure that women's needs and rights were at the forefront of her agenda.
In 30 Ways of Looking at Hillary, a recently published anthology in which thirty well-known women writers reflect on the candidate, Susan Morrison (who edited the book) says:
As I talked with women about their reactions to Hillary, some themes came up again and again. Many women were divided within themselves as to how they feel about her, and I noticed a familiar circle of guilt: these women believe they should support Hillary as a matter of solidarity. But, because they expect her to be different from (that is, better than) the average male politician, she invariably disappoints them; then they feel guilty about their ambivalence. Some feel competitive with her. Having wearily resigned themselves to the idea that "having it all" is too much to hope for, they view Hillary as a rebuke: how did she manage to pull it off—or, at least, to appear to pull it off? Other women say they want to like her but are disturbed by the anti-feminist message inherent in the idea of the first woman president getting to the White House on her husband's coattails.
All these reasons more or less span the spectrum of feminist reaction to Hillary Clinton, but perhaps her decision to stay with her husband during the Monica Lewinsky scandal seems to be at the core of why she's highly suspect to feminists.
And she has also been accused, by metonymy, of throwing highly accomplished women she had been close to under the bus during her husband's first term in the White House: Lani Guinier; Marian Wright Edelman; Zoe Baird; and Kimba Wood, among others. In fact, during the campaign for that first term, a reporter's question to her more or less captured her reputation as a polarizing figure in contemporary American politics: "You know, some people think of you as an inspiring female attorney mother, and other people think of you as the overbearing yuppie wife from hell," the reporter said. "How would you describe yourself?"
This last question is quite apt and cogent: Over fifty books have attempted to scrutinize her (the most recent cited above), but she remains unknowable and inscrutable, forever elusive even to those who are supposed to be close to her. “I’m a Rorschach test,” Clinton herself once told a reporter, meaning the way people project into her their own preconceptions and obsessions, and how they see whatever they want to see in her. The most interesting point for me about Hillary Rodham Clinton is that in spite of all these books about her, she has managed to retain control over her own narrative, has managed to elude all the frames and grids people have constructed for her.
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Thoughtful post..good work….Interesting insight
Biodun!
Thanks, Steve-AR…
Hey spurious…
Another thought..is “control of her own narrative” the ultimate definition of a feminist and not conforming to another person’s check list of what a feminist is? I am walking out into dangerous weeds here.
Great post. Not wild about Hillary personally but willing to give her a partial pass to do what she has to do to get past the ‘first woman’ thing. Ditto Obama, to some extent. But wish I could have voted for Dodd.
The problem with the feminist label is that it’s changed so much over the years–sort of like ‘liberal’.
You have a point…but controlling accusations against Hillary have always been linked to the question of authenticity…
The Clintons never feel “compelled” to do anything. They are value free careerists. As Obama stated in an oblique way, the Clintons are depressing and truly they are. I cannot bear the thought of 8 more years of that bullshit. And I would never even think of voting for them under any circumstances
There’s first-wave feminism (in the 19th century); second-wave feminism (in the 1960s); third-wave feminism (in the 1980s); and postfeminism (from the mid-1990s to now). Of course postfeminism is very much contested. Some say we haven’t arrived there yet.
Cindy Sheehan’s thoughts on meeting Hillary:
http://salsa.wiredforchange.co.....71&t=
Perhaps Hillary just isn’t a good person? Maybe that’s why many are having a hard time liking her. Or, we could all just be irrational “Hillary-haters,” and our feelings easily dismissed.
I’m not nuts about Hillary- but that’s the sort of relationship I want with my candidates- pure business. She can do the job- I don’t really care how she reacted to the blow job fiasco….”The Blow Job that Ate the World”.
So with ya on that. Well said.
I’d say it’s mainly men who think we’ve reached post-feminism. Similar to how it’s whites who generally claim racism isn’t still a problem.
Note: FTR, I’m a middle aged white male.
The change in definition has been dramatic. As an oldster who worked hard for women’s rights, I remember Andrea Dworkin(sp?) who wore overalls and combat boots to Britney Spears who doesn’t even thinks she needs underwear. Gives me whiplash.
I already voted- for Edwards. Now it’s up to all of you to decide who the candidate will be- whoever it is- I’ll support em- and I hope they aren’t too beat to shit in the process- cause the goopers are gonna give em a PROFESSIONAL goin over by the Goon Squad from Hell.
Kissling gives specific examples of how Hillary could be a feminist candidate:
(From the Kissling link in the post.)
“The change in definition has been dramatic. As an oldster who worked hard for women’s rights, I remember Andrea Dworkin(sp?) who wore overalls and combat boots to Britney Spears who doesn’t even thinks she needs underwear. Gives me whiplash.”
Natural evolution of bra burning?
The art of triangulation at which Clinton excels means that she is always presenting a moving target. She is more a process than an essence.
We economic parity arrives, and a woman earns the same salary as a man for doing the same work then maybe, perhaps postfeminism will have arrived. Maybe.
Britney evolved to panty burning- while she’s still wearin em.
That would be “WHEN” economic…
Nice Job, Biodun. From the Reporter’s question link:
“Hillary Clinton is exceedingly polarizing,” said Roger Stone, a Republican consultant. “It’s not that she’s an accomplished modern woman. It’s just that she’s grating, abrasive and boastful. There’s a certain familiar order of things, and the notion of a coequal couple in the White House is a little offensive to men and women.”
Wow. Would a GOP strategist dare say anything like this today?
Red, yellow, black, white, male, female, transgenedered, et al….A candidate should be judged on their positions on the issues. period.
Yea, Hillary’s reaction to her President husband getting a bj from an intern in the White House doesn’t mean much to me. That’s a very personal decision for her that no one can understand other than Bill&Hill.
Now as a husband and father of daughters myself, I can’t for the life of me fathom doing what Bill did. What a pathetic man, and I’d be happy if he went away and made millions in the private sector, and screwed around all he wants. I wish he’d stop embarrassing his wife, daughter, and America.
a reporter’s question to her more or less captured her reputation as a polarizing figure in contemporary American politics: “You know, some people think of you as an inspiring female attorney mother, and other people think of you as the overbearing yuppie wife from hell,” the reporter said. “How would you describe yourself?”
Yeah, rilly, why couldn’t she just give a straight answer to this “apt and cogent” question? I mean, it was perfectly reasonable! What’s her problem?
BTW, who was the reporter, Tweety?
Hmmm. Sexist. Male (& female) stereotyping. Male Bashing. Agenda pushing.
Total failure to consider what actually qualifies Hillary to be a presidential candidate- plans, leadership abilities, experience, etc…
Did I leave something out?
Hi folks…
Even though I’m not that taken with HRC I would not under any circumstances condemn or judge another woman for whatever steps she took in her own personal life to make sense of this crazy world. Everybody (that includes men, children, whatever too) has a right to live their lives the way they want to. Nobody really knows what is right for another person.
Hillary has accomplished a lot and as a woman I am grateful because of what she has done. The very fact Hillary is where she is at right now poised to possibly be the first woman president gives all women hope that perhaps there’s a chance their daughters or grand daughters may has that very same opportunity some day.
I know there are things that HRC has in her presidential platform that doesn’t make me very happy (like health insurance) but that doesn’t make me admire her any less…..
Perhaps. But then there’s this:
My bold. All women. (Disclosure: I knopw Amelia Jones personally. I published her first book in the mid-1990s.)
Biodun is, the man.
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The most interesting point for me about Hillary Rodham Clinton is that in spite of all these books about her, she has managed to retain control over her own narrative, has managed to elude all the frames and grids people have constructed for her.
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i do not relish a Hillary presidency, but she might well win me over once in office.
that said, i fully agree with the above statement. despite my reservations about her, which are based on some of the votes that she has made as a senator and some of her campaign omissions and commissions. it has nothing to do with what happened before 2001 and mostly to do with what has happened since 2006. virtually everything she has been accused of by the Village and the MSM , even if TRUE, suggest a person who can be as tough and mean as a president sometimes has to be.
Those are exactly why I’m having trouble seeing any value in supporting her.
…I know Amelia Jones…
We need some female input…I was just thinking about the Hillary/Wal-Mart meme. Hillary was the first woman on the board apparently because Sam’s wife and his daughter Alice were busting his balls about his all male board. At the time she was 39 years old and “they” put her in charge of the “diversity” committee which sounds similar to a “community outreach” where an AA would be placed. Apparently the “good ‘ol boys” were not shy about telling misogynist jokes around Hillary.
Would a feminist consider that a positive move for women or was it purely the cynical career move on her part?
I will look to others to be dispensers of compassion.
I will look to a presidential candidate to get things done.
People in my area need food, shelter, jobs, help with health care, help paying utilities, and on and on.
Hillary and Bill Clinton are in the Drudge Report pictured with Tony Rezko , the same Rezko that Hillory called a slumlord and used to slime Barack Obama in the Presidential debate.When questioned about this She says ” I don’t remember.” There is a pattern here.. she can’t remember that both she and Bill praised Ronald Reagan after attacking Obama for his comments about President Reagan… She touts her efforts at fighting for civil rights like LBJ when in fact she was a Goldwater girl and a Republican President of her college chapter. This is the same Barry Goldwater who did all he could do to block civil rights and the voting rights act which were also beneficial to women. Some thing is a matter here .. this is more than hot flashes. It is either indicative of how she reacts under stress or the onset of the initial stages of Alzheimer’s disease. In either case it is troubling.
We don’t have time for the kind of holier-than-thou idealistic puritanism that we keep hearing from different parts of the Left. Yes, of course - during the primaries, support your candidate: I’m for Edwards myself.
But we MUST support, and vote for, whoever is the nominee. Because while none of the Democratic candidates is likely to give you everything you want, none of the Republican candidates will give you ANYTHING you want.
I think Hillary is a disappointingly corporate centrist with too much invested in the status quo of the Democratic Party, and I’d prefer the anticorporatist and populist Edwards, or failing that, Obama who I don’t consider a whole lot better than Hillary, policy-wise.
But no matter what candidate is selected, he or she will get my vote, because things are too dire for divas and puritans.
wow, anyone notice this beating the wapo is heaping on edwards?
I’ll tell you, it’s kind of eye opening and it becomes clear why he doesn’t get support of feingold
I agree
She is no democrat in the important definition of the word as I understand it.
The woman in my life are testament to great capability, and strength of woman, my problems with Hillary have nothing to do with feminism and more to do with who she really stands with and it is not us, male or female.
Thanks, IrishJim…Of course, the reporter’s question link is to MoDo…*g* Billary’s nemesis.
here’s the link to that wapo article
Raises her hand…
Great post, Biodun.
Yeah Biodun. Smart piece.
The whole Republic Clinton Hate Machine is rested and ready to roll. This is just the start and the Clintons have weak, if any, responses. Who wants to relive all of that?
I do not know a single person my age (+/-30), man or woman, that likes Hillary Clinton, and the NUMBER 1 reason, more than any other, has been her war-mongering. It’s as simple as that.
Awesome post Biodun!
As a second wave feminist, I have considerable difficulty with Hillary if the idea is that I as a woman and feminist should support her precisely because she is a woman since I agree with the Kissling quote.
How she deals with her marriage is her own business mostly but her willingness to adopt a “maggie thatcher” type iron lady approach to foreign
policy is very disturbing to me. Feminism is not just about “get a woman for the job” but is routed in a position of breaking down the “power over” model that is exemplified by actions like the occupation of Iraq.
After reading Russ Feingold’s comments about John Edwards, it sounded like Russ wasn’t sure that John had changed “his spots” since his days as a Senator.
No information there as to whether he was voting for omnibus bills, or whether the language of the bills is substantially different from what he now opposes.
This kind of super-simplistic analysis hinges on the readership being ignorant, both of the language of the bills discussed and of the complexities of legislative processes.
Listen to a little Thom Hartmann or Randi Rhodes, they are skilled at explaining the ins and outs of Congressional process, and why certain votes turn out the way they do.
Well I’m only admitting to second-wave. :~) Re Hillary, a friend who lost a son-in-law to a helicopter crash at Ft Drum (NY) said that she came to the military service, touched the hand of their orphaned baby girl, and wept. A different perspective.
I’m an Edwards supporter. But as I’ve said before many times if Hillary is the nominee, I’ll hold my nose and vote for her. I’ve never voted in my life for a Repug candidate, local, state, or national, and I have absolutely no reason to start now…
From what I remember of reading the feminist reaction, most of the ones attacking her for not divorcing Bill never really liked her anyway. Neither did I, but I am at least willing to give her what I think is her due.
Sticking by him throughout the whole CoupGate monstrosity was the best move she’s ever made. Let Republicans shed their spouses like snakeskin; Newt and Rudy have had six between them so far. Besides, she of all people knew that to give an inch to the Republicans on this issue was to invite the destruction of the country.
How Hillary handled Bill’s getting nookie on the side is between her and him and the nookie-giver, nobody else.
Oh, Jeez, these are the lamest excuses for not voting for her.
Look, no one should vote for her just because she’s a woman. But these so-called feminists are giving credence to that old Freudian question: “What do women want?”
It’s perplexing because they accuse her of simultaneously not representing women’s issues sufficiently while running as a “WOMAN”.
And exactly how old is the person who is quoted on the Kimba Wood, lanie Guinier stuff? Because I don’t think Hillary had anything to do with throwing them under a bus. They were taken down by Republicans who dug up nanny problems and didn’t like Guinier’s theories of proportional minority voting. How quickly we forget.
Personally, I’d like our approach to deciding on a president to be completely free of gender or racial issues. We should put them all behind a screen, give them numbers and ask them to type the answers to the questions the moderators would give them. But even if we did that, Hillary, er, candidate #1, would come out on top. She has a deeper knowledge base and understanding of the issues and it shows-consistently. She’s tough on national security. A president is *supposed* to be. That’s not being male, that’s being responsible. And she has to be competitive because a campaign is not a collaborative team effort, it’s a competition.
So, don’t vote for her because she’a a woman. Vote for her because she’s the best and she’s a woman. We’ve never had a qualified, viable female candidate before. There’s no better reason than that to vote for her.
Thanks, Jane! I’m quite honored to be part of the FDL community. And you’re a great example for me.
Bravo Biodun!!
Thanks. Now you understand the hint hint I said the other day…*g*
Hillary is walking a double standard “tight wire” that any woman would have to walk in her position. Too much emotion, can’t trust a woman to be C in C too little, cold bitch. Being the first ain’t easy.
Well I don’t think that hit piece was very honest, coming from Feingold. I’m sure Feingold knows very well that a senator is answerable to his constituents, and Edwards is from a conservative southern state. This is why it’s hard for senators to run for president.
Anyway, what’s up with Russ? Is he from the Lieberman-Daschle-Obama wing of the Democratic Party?
I’ve spent years railing against this attitude. I think this is a big reason why the DemocratIC Party is in the predicament it is currently in, and why we’re having so much trouble with our current Dem “leadership.”
However, I may be wavering on this point in terms of the Presidential, and the main reason for that is Blue America and similar efforts. We never had this infrastructure in place before, and we can exert a lot of control over the process now, regardless of who’s in the WH. Not sure yet since I want to see how they carry themselves during the General campaign season. In the meantime, More and Better!
Perris:
The 2000/2001 B-Bill isn’t the same as the 2005 B-Bill, and in April of 2005 Edwards apologized for his vote on the 2000 bill (which Clinton vetoed) and strongly opposed the 2005 bill:
Breathtaking. People can change their minds about something. But everything? The man served one term in the Senate. He left not a single substantial piece of legislation to his name, only an endless string of votes on trade, education, civil liberties, energy, bankruptcy and, of course, war that now he not only renounces but inveighs against.
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i get it. WAPO thinks Edwards is the Antichrist. Am i surprised? (Is the Pope still Polish?)
did the man change? of course he changed. the fact remains that he’s the best candidate out there.
I had the same reaction.. WTF. Of course what you said about Senators and Edwards votes also applies to a New York Senator..A*PAC and post 9/11 voting..it ain’t easy to be a Senator.
These attacks on Edwards are interesting. The NYT endorsement of Hillary made similar charges against Edwards. I think that Edwards is being taken more seriously by the powers that be. Before they were content to ignore him, now they have moved on to attacking him. He has an anti-corporatist message which scares them and which they would like to spike now that they think it is gaining currency.
The point here is that most politicians do change their positions. Unlike a Romney who position changes are recent and pretty obviously driven by polls, this really doesn’t seem to be the case at all with Edwards. He has espoused them for a while now and in spite of the cold shoulder the media have given him.
I find Feingold’s remarks reprehensible. I have said this before but if he had wanted to run, he could have. He chose not to. Now here is Edwards speaking out for the positions Feingold supports, and rather than back Edwards Feingold is criticizing him. It smacks of wounded ego and reflects poorly on Feingold.
The thought of 8 years of Billary is truly depressing. Of course, I’d rather shove knitting needles in my eyes than experience one minute of a President McCain, Romney, Huckabee, or Giuliani.
And I like this bit about third-wave feminism:
(From the same link as 28)
agree..about reflecting poorly on Feingold.
So much in the world has changed and so much in Edwards’ life has changed since then. Only a robot would stick to their old thinking, and that is why I like Edwards…he’s not afraid to admit that he has evolved in his thinking!!
If you ask me, it is Edwards who has found his voice and his purpose.
Thanks Siun!
This also reminds me of the attacks launched against Jack Murtha, who originally backed attacking Iraq and then became one of the first legislators to advocate getting out of Iraq.
Not to mention the smarmy attacks launched against David Brock when he jumped off the wingnut-welfare gravy train: “He said he was lying then, so how can we believe him now?”
I’ll hold my nose and vote for her too–or Obama, or anybody else the dems nominate. Can’t understand those who would risk another repub win on the grounds that the demo candidates aren’t pure enough. Purity or trollery? Just let us get the current criminals out.
Hey LS:
Thanks!
I agree, I never bought the “she should divorce him” thing myself. Nobody’s business.
But I did have some guy at Matsuhisu ask with self-righteous indignation how I, a woman, could not vote for the first woman candidate for president. I was with Howie and Amato and he was at the next table and asked me the question when he overheard our conversation.
No, I didn’t say “Shirley Chisholm” and spit in his food, but I did want to punch him.
On the WaPo Edwards piece, Krauthammer is one of the creepiest right wing pundits so I don’t use him as a guide to my thinking.
However, Edwards did take those votes and does not have a progressive history during his time in the Senate - and his positions on foreign policy are quite mixed - progressive on developing countries, hard to pin down on Iraq and too willing to make statements to Israeli audiences that suggest support for attacks on Iran.
I think many of us - including me - would like to have him as a choice for president since his “conversion” seems quite genuine but that history should be acknowledged and Feingold certainly has a right to raise it.
Feingold did something that many might see as worse on the whole than anything Edwards did: He waved John Roberts through onto the Supreme Court.
You are very welcome! I’m still sitting here scratching my head as to what the hell I think and feel about Hillary….:)
Now here I’d have to agree. The fact that I was curious about why some feminists were not supporting her does not mean I do not acknowledge your point here. Thanks.
What is the upside of the Clintons? Different downsides than McCain, etc. Are we so bad off that we would vote for the Clintons to get Zoe Baird instead of Gonzales or Ginsberg instead of Alito? Is that all there is? I will listen to Peggy and do something else at that point.
Have mixed feelings about Hillary and Obama. Both are going to run into a buzz saw in the general election. However, both should have sufficient ammunition to fire back at them. Obama wants to bring us all hope. I’m for that but I also want someone who is tough. Not only with the Republicans but with the Dems as well. They’ve all got their fingers in the pie. Hillary’s got the toughness but does she want to break up the status quo? Can she inspire others to follow her? Not sure…
Sigh, Edwards I wish more people caught your vision. Because I truly think it will take a fight to take this country back for the middle-class.
Amen. And Obama faces a similar problem, though I think gender may be the greater barrier (at least according to Shirley Chisolm). Just hope someday we can get past these ‘firsts’ so we can concentrate on issues.
Now Shirley Chisholm was the best … god, I wish we had candidates like her today!
(even Bella Abzug would be refreshing!)
I sent Edwards an email about these things when they wanted me to send them some money.
My problem is all three candidates are not truly saying what needs to be said. Out of the three who will really deal with our domestic issues on the economy, health, and labor in a substantive manner, or, will it be just another model of the same bullshit that once again does nothing to further the health of America, that benefits the few and leaves the rest feeling frustrated and impotent, knowing they have been sacrficed at the alter of free market laissez faire(sp) at its worst.
Then
SenatorPresident McCain won’t bother you?After years of complaining about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and Whitewater and so on (which was fair IMO), how ironic Hillary plays that same game in bringing up Rezko? So classy…
It’s a nothing story and at the very worst, is a minor story. Yet, ever since Iowa, here are the Clintons attacking constantly and over incredibly hypocritical points. It’s the only game they know. Obama’s been taking the bait somewhat…hope he doesn’t fall into the trap too much more. We can choose a different type of politics by choosing candidates other than The Clintons.
People are always saying they want politics to be different. It’s up to us to make it so.
Biodun great post. It is going to be interesting in the Nov election to see both the Dem and the Repub running to the left. Will make for some fun debates. I don’t for one minute think Hillary is as conservative as others seem to think. She will go left and I believe would be a good president - I am an Edwards supporter.
He said he wasn’t running for personal reasons, and something about he doesn’t want to expose his family. Tangential reasons, hinting at what I don’t know. But at something.
Mitt said it last night to great applause.
Ah-Ha….I did not look at the byline. Maureen has been writing hit pieces on Billary for a long time running.
Great reading…thanks Biodun. How much do first timers have to master the game as it is before they can truly change the game for those that follow?
Shirley Chisholm! Yeah!
(Victoria Woodhull was probably the first woman candidate for president, but Shirley would have actually made a great president.)
Bother me alot but I will not go bottom fishin with the Clintons. Because they leverage off the low bar.
That would good enough reason for me to vote for Hillary.
Good Point. Not quite as bad as the 1992 WAPO piece but diminishing the notion of equal spouses, never the less.
I still can’t believe the Right Wing O sphere is not spun up over Romney labeling Reagan a Tax and Spend liberal.
Here’s why I think some feminists won’t support her:
because they’re afraid to see a woman taking her power even though they say they’re not afraid of it,
because they’re so insecure that they a need a perfect mirroring of their own definition of feminism,
because they’re afraid of what Hillary Clinton stepping into the presidency would mean for their own lives, and they’re looking for any excuse.
Woman are still holding her to a different, tougher standard than they’d ever hold a man. I’m sorry she isn’t perfect. Just human.
LOL! Maybe the guy meant “first viable woman candidate”–to cite what Andrea Mitchell said about John Edwards last week sometime…*g* (BTW, Shirley Chisholm was quite well-loved in my borough of Brooklyn… God rest her soul.)
Hugh January 25th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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In response to perris @ 36
These attacks on Edwards are interesting. The NYT endorsement of Hillary made similar charges against Edwards. I think that Edwards is being taken more seriously by the powers that be. Before they were content to ignore him, now they have moved on to attacking him. He has an anti-corporatist message which scares them and which they would like to spike now that they think it is gaining currency.
The point here is that most politicians do change their positions. Unlike a Romney who position changes are recent and pretty obviously driven by polls, this really doesn’t seem to be the case at all with Edwards. He has espoused them for a while now and in spite of the cold shoulder the media have given him.
I find Feingold’s remarks reprehensible. I have said this before but if he had wanted to run, he could have. He chose not to. Now here is Edwards speaking out for the positions Feingold supports, and rather than back Edwards Feingold is criticizing him. It smacks of wounded ego and reflects poorly on Feingold.
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i pasted you the last time you said something similar and i still wholeheartedly agree.
none. of. the. candidates. is. pure.
they all have sausage all over their hands. all the grease and gristle of congressional politics.
if John Edwards were to start getting traction the Corporate Media would really start to shit in their pants.
yes, i’m a dreamer and a fantasist, but, until he tosses in the towel i’m for Edwards.
I think politics is bloodless warfare. Well, usually bloodless.
It’s like chess only it really means something.
I don’t care very much whether it changes right now or not. It is a way for us to accomplish things our citizens need.
I’m not looking for purity, I want results.
I keep worrying about our need and desire to annoint a candidate as not just best of the lot but as our hero. The real heroes are each and every activist who picks up a phone to call about FISA etc …
If we can face up to the limitations of the candidate pool we’ve been “given” perhaps we’d have a better chance of building a truly progressive alternative.
We may have to vote for someone in November who is not on our side - and I do think that eventually we are going to have to withhold votes to finally push the corporate class out but we don’t yet have the momentum etc to do that - but that does not mean we need to see any of them as our knights in shining armour.
Re Hillary - I find discussions of her marrital problems offensive (and I