The New York Times endorsed John McCain yesterday, but they spent at least as much time discussing why they weren't going to endorse Mr. Giuliani
Why, as a New York-based paper, are we not backing Rudolph Giuliani? Why not choose the man we endorsed for re-election in 1997 after a first term in which he showed that a dirty, dangerous, supposedly ungovernable city could become clean, safe and orderly? What about the man who stood fast on Sept. 11, when others, including President Bush, went AWOL?
That man is not running for president.
The real Mr. Giuliani, whom many New Yorkers came to know and mistrust, is a narrow, obsessively secretive, vindictive man who saw no need to limit police power. Racial polarization was as much a legacy of his tenure as the rebirth of Times Square.
Mr. Giuliani’s arrogance and bad judgment are breathtaking. When he claims fiscal prudence, we remember how he ran through surpluses without a thought to the inevitable downturn and bequeathed huge deficits to his successor. He fired Police Commissioner William Bratton, the architect of the drop in crime, because he couldn’t share the limelight. He later gave the job to Bernard Kerik, who has now been indicted on fraud and corruption charges.
The Rudolph Giuliani of 2008 first shamelessly turned the horror of 9/11 into a lucrative business, with a secret client list, then exploited his city’s and the country’s nightmare to promote his presidential campaign.
Mr. Giuliani, naturally, ascribes this to liberal media bias
BRIAN WILLIAMS: How can you defend against that in your home town paper? How have you changed as a man since this portrait?
RUDY GIULIANI: Because I probably never did anything the New York Times suggested I do in eight years as Mayor of New York City. And if I did, I wouldn't be considered a conservative Republican. I changed welfare [audience applause] I changed quality of life. I took on homelessness. I did all the things that they thought make you mean, and I believe show true compassion and true love for people. I moved people from welfare to work. When I did that, when I set up workfare, the New York Times wrote nasty editorials about how mean I was, how cruel I was... So the reality is that I think there is a serious ideological difference. That probably was some of the nicest language they've written about me in the last six months.
The 1997 editorial in which the Times (in a tone not all that different from their later adoring support of Mr. Bush when he in his turn made them feel all cozy and safe) endorsed Mr. Giuliani for re-election
...Ms. Messinger, who has a long and distinguished career in local politics, deserves to be remembered for her previous service to the city rather than for this uninspiring race. But even if she had run a model campaign, it is hard to imagine how she could have made a convincing argument for getting rid of Mr. Giuliani. Despite the many disagreements we have had with the Mayor over the last four years, we endorse his re-election enthusiastically...
New York was ready for a dramatic turnaround when Mr. Giuliani took office, and that need became even more urgent when a new Republican Congress began shutting down the old pipelines of economic support to cities and the poor. A place this big, with so many jealously guarded bits of political turf, does not turn easily. New York, like many cities, favors mayors who bring forceful and at times obsessive leadership. Mr. Giuliani projects that quality...
Mr. Giuliani's combative temperament is a bit like nuclear fission. Harnessed in the right way, it is a tool for progress, drilling through previously impervious bureaucratic and political barriers.
Those harsh partisan bastards.
Anyway, despite the unrelenting hatred and hostility from the Times, a number of people [Ann Althouse, anybody?] thought Giuliani's campaign was a really good idea because it "put New York in play". We love him so much here [for some value of "we"] that a Republican candidate would have a real shot at winning New York's electoral votes, despite the fact that he was running as hard as ever he could across the country on a platform of having schooled us like nosepicking four year olds.
"Rudy puts New York in play, something no other Republican candidate can do," said Giuliani campaign operative Michael McKeon, once a top aide to former GOP Gov. George Pataki. "New York will be a battleground state with Rudy at the top of the ticket."
Giuliani said much the same as he picked up the endorsements of state GOP Chairman Joseph Mondello and more than 50 of the state's 62 county chairmen in Manhattan on Monday.
"My view of this race for president is that the Republican Party should not go into this election, as we have in the past, having to write off New York, Connecticut, New Jersey," he said. "We've got to make this a 50-state election."
That name? Michael McKeon? Hold on to it for a minute.
Now let's go back to '00. Senator McCain was running for President. So was George W. Bush. Our then-governor Pataki, who was essentially an 0verpriced cashmere sockpuppet on Al D'Amato's grubby paw, supported Mr. Bush. So did our State Senate leader, Mr. Bruno, and Senator D'Amato himself. To the shock and amazement of absolutely no-one, the NYSGOP gamed the primaries until the Senator had to go to court to get on the ballot
John McCain may have been able to outlast his tormenters in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp, but that doesn't mean he's equipped to outsmart New York's tortuous ballot access laws.
The Arizona Senator announced Thursday morning that he will file a lawsuit in federal court "in the coming weeks" to have New York's ballot access laws declared unconstitutional because they present an "undue and overwhelming burden" upon presidential candidates. "I went down to the state capitol in New Hampshire," McCain said at New York University news conference, where he was flanked by his lawyers, Burt Neuborne and Richard Emery, who have a history of taking on civil rights cases. "I handed the Secretary of State a check for -- I think it was $500 -- I'm on the ballot in New Hampshire."
Not so in New York, where a Republican presidential candidate is required to collect as many as 890 signatures in each of the state's 31 congressional districts for two separate petitions -- one for delegates and another for the candidate. The rules -- which have often played to the advantage of the candidate with the broadest party support -- require that each petition be filled out meticulously -- if a voter fills in Manhattan instead of New York under county, for example, that form could be invalid. A candidate risks getting knocked off the ballot if there are any errors.
And even if a Republican presidential candidate survives the challenges, the ballot for GOP contenders lists the names of delegates in larger print than the actual presidential candidate -- making it difficult for voters to determine who they're electing.
"We go out in the cold weather, we get the signatures, we survive the challenges and then you have this terrible, terrible process where people don't know who they're voting for," says Staten Island Borough President Guy Molinari, the McCain campaign's New York chairman."* It shouldn't be that way."...
A victory in the courts may be McCain's only chance to steal some of New York's 101 delegates to the Republican National Convention -- the third largest delegation in the nation -- from front-runner George W. Bush.
although it didn't play all that well nationally
In a desperate move not to hand John McCain another campaign weapon, George W Bush's advisers have urged the pro-Bush Republican hierarchy in New York state to abandon their increasingly ruthless attempt to keep the Arizona senator off the ballot in the crucial March 7 New York primary.
Until now, the Bush campaign had conspicuously refused to condemn efforts by the Republican party's state machine, headed by Governor George Pataki, to contest Mr McCain's right to be on the ballot in almost half the state's 31 congressional districts.
New York's primary ballot rules are among the most arcane in the US, requiring candidates to raise thousands of signatures on nominating petitions for each separate district several weeks before election day. This favours machine-backed candidates who have the foot-soldiers to collect the signatures and the lawyers to validate them.
The New York state Republican committee, controlled by Mr Pataki who would like to be Mr Bush's running-mate, has challenged 12 of Mr McCain's petitions on the grounds that they contain names of unregistered voters, non-Republicans and people who do not live in the right districts.
Mr McCain has counter-challenged, though he was unable to find a Republican party election lawyer to act for him. Judge Edward Korman is expected to rule on the case shortly.
The attempt to bar Mr McCain has attracted widespread bad publicity for the Bush camp.
The New York Republican congressman Peter King has complained that New York state and Iran are the only places in the world where governments decide whether their opponents can stand for election, while Mr McCain led a march to the local Russian consulate to congratulate them on having a more democratic election system than New York state.
so they eventually gave up
Republicans appear ready to bury the hatchet in New York over the state's March 7 primary.
Gov. George Pataki**-- the state's top Republican and a supporter of Texas Gov. George W. Bush -- says he "will take the appropriate steps to ensure" that Sen. John McCain will appear on presidential primary ballots throughout the state, a spokesman for the governor told CNN.
Bush told CNN, "It is the right decision. I welcome it."
The move is a victory for McCain, who is currently blocked from appearing as a Republican candidate in 12 of New York's 31 congressional districts after petition challenges by New York GOP officials.
Pataki spokesman Mike McKeon*** told CNN: "Governor Pataki believes Senator McCain should be on the ballot. He believes this should be a campaign of issues and ideas, not technicalities. And he's confident Governor Bush will win that campaign."
Sen. John McCain swooped into Rudy Giuliani territory yesterday to announce an endorsement from Alfonse D'Amato, the influential former New York senator, in a hotel in midtown Manhattan.
"I think he is our best chance to win the White House," said D'Amato, when asked why he chose McCain over Giuliani, a native son.
"My support for him is not because there's somebody else in the wings that I may have differences with -- even though that may be true," added D'Amato.
although it also is not because Al is a big fan of Senator McCain
Mr. D’Amato had earlier endorsed Fred D. Thompson, but he switched to Mr. McCain, who is leading nationally in polls and gaining in New York, shortly before Mr. Thompson withdrew from the presidential race on Tuesday.
Mr. D’Amato has not had a close relationship with Mr. McCain. When Mr. D’Amato was in the Senate, people close to him said he was not fond of Mr. McCain’s signature causes, reining in campaign spending and pork barrel projects, two areas in which Mr. D’Amato excelled. But Mr. D’Amato has long had a difficult relationship with Mr. Giuliani, who angered him in 1994 when Mr. Giuliani endorsed Mario M. Cuomo, a Democrat, for governor. Mr. D’Amato supported Mr. Pataki that year.
So, give it up for the nice pundits. New York is so wide open for Republicans this year that John McCain got on the ballot without suing, and he owes it all to Rudy Giuliani.
Schadenfreude isn't pretty, is it. Well, hell, it's Friday.
You have plans?
*ironically, now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Rudy Giuliani
**and D'Amato owned Pataki. He only made him the Governor to piss Giuliani off (long story). D'Amato and Giuliani, although they once shared a blissful honeymoon buying crack dressed like the cast of Grease, later fell out over, um, heritage issues
***See? I told you to remember that name. The cast never changes.
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g’evening pups. Another fine post, julia. what’s that name I’m supposed to remember (laughing)
Hi Julia.
Can bald men get a swirlie??
Nothin easier than to dis a candidate who has already lost. Takes some balls to take down one who might actually be prez.
Another sign that Rudy Toot Toot is fucked.
aw, you can forget it now. It was a short-term thing.
Rudy is one turd that’s sinking fast. But apparently doodee in the Democratic Party still floats.
I’m sorry, but here is the truth. I’ve been reading the boards. Some said that this is what it takes low blows to win elections, that people want the Clintons back in office because deep down people like this stuff, that the doodee (not the cream) floats to the top of the political toilet, that the Democrats and the Republican politicians are part and parcel floating next to each other, and that the Clintons will do and say anything, absolutely anything, to float their way back into the top of the White Bowl.
Obama is running on platform to change American politics, to try to take it out of a back alley street fight and add some rules against biting, groin shots, head butts and the like. The Clintons are doing everything they can to drag Obama back into that alley. This latest Clinton move today is really low. Hillary says Bill says he’s sorry that “maybe” he went overboard in beating on Obama. It’s professional alright. Professional wrestling. After all the Clinton distortions of Obama’s statement about Reagan and falsely accusing Obama of making up fairytales about his superior record on the Iraq war, now Bill says he’s sorry. Only he doesn’t say it. His wife does. Tag team!
What makes me really sick is that the Clintons are race baiting to try to divide the electorate in South Carolina to scaremonger the white vote away from their opponent. The Clintons would love for this election to be about race and gender, old identity politics, vote for your own and screw the rest who aren’t like you, because there are more women likely to vote for the Clintons than blacks likely to vote for Obama. The white women versus the blacks. Great. This sounds like race baiting in the old segregated South that the Clintons so rail against. Now that’s selflessness for you! And to those who say they are no better than the Republicans, I agree that the Clintons give Karl Rove a run for his money.
You know how we know for sure the Clintons are the wrong choice? Because the New York Times endorses them. In a totally vapid and insipid piece, the NYT said they endorse the Clintons because, among other things, Hillary got it wrong on the war but somehow she is more right on the consequences of withdrawal. What the heck are they talking about?
Here is the plain truth the NYT acts like doesn’t exist. Hillary Clinton totally screwed up the most important vote of her career in an admitted gigantic error in judgment. She was a sheep. The self-proclaimed “workhorse” didn’t even read the National Intelligence Estimate at the time, not even after the most senior Democratic Senator in military affairs personally asked her to. Unbelievably, Hillary Clinton still can’t admit she made an error, much more a gigantic one.
Hillary is still spinning her reasons for voting for the resolution by saying she didn’t vote for war - she says she just voted to authorize Bush to use force. She is in denial about the fact she didn’t vote for another resolution that said exactly that. As for her plans to disengage in Iraq, they are no better or more clear than Obama’s. And unlike Hillary who has burned every bridge with the Republicans (the latest NBC/WSJ poll today shows Obama beats McCain and Hillary does not - I wonder why), Obama could reach across the aisle and grab someone like a Colin Powell to be Secretary of State. After all, Powell said “you break it, you own it.” Another run at Secretary of State could be Powell’s chance to “fix it”, at least a little.
So, back to the truth about the NYT with a little rant thrown in. Hey NYT, not only do you not walk on water. You often act like morons. Absolute morons. Don’t believe me? Well, here’s the proof. You were stupid enough to buy into the Administration’s phony made up stories about WMD in Iraq. And don’t tell me everybody was fooled. They weren’t. McClatchy’s wasn’t fooled. The UN Weapons Inspector wasn’t fooled. The vast majority of other nations in the world which would not go along with us into Iraq like they did in the early 1990s weren’t fooled.
And worse of all NYT, you didn’t even give it a college try to find the truth - your reporter Judith Miller was doinking one of the Administration’s biggest felon lying lips Libby as she published whatever he and the Administration told her. Get real NYT. Wake up. It’s obvious, NYT, why you forgive Hillary Clinton for making a gigantic mistake about the war and can’t give Obama credit for having the foresight to be against the war from the start. You, NYT, can’t come to terms with your own gigantic failure in blindly reporting lies about the war. That and the fact that you are scared of change. Those are the reasons, you self-absorbed, conceited institution.
There is definitely an element of truth to the comments of many posters in this thread. In some ways, the NYT is one of the biggest pieces of doodee that rises to the top of the Democratic Party. (Caveat: while the NYT is a big stupid, conceited piece of turd, Fox News is an even more arrogant, evil turd that intentionally distorts the news to benefit rich people, crazy neocons and their billionaire owner directly at America’s expense).
Sorry to get so scatalogical, but you can’t describe poo otherwise. Obama is essentially asking the Democratic Party, CAN WE FLUSH ALREADY? All of the posters on this thread are ready to push the knob on the toilet. If the Democrats don’t, the Clintons are going to be floating around us for quite a while.
huh? sheet, i think i forgot already (laughing) how’s the big apple tonight? do ya think there will be a celebration when rudy rudy rudy is officially declared a loser and is forced to withdraw?
by the way pups, if you like this post, don’t forget to digg it.
Bon Soir, Ma Cheri! Aloha, Julia!
it would certainly explain a fair amount
Well, it’s certainly making us cheery about the office thinking about it - and I work in a fairly conservative industry.
Talk about an arrogant bully - Ghouliani makes Bush look like Mister Rogers.
Wow. That’s a huge amount of hate for this early in the post.
Do you get paid by the word?
Oh, I’ve been saying really mean things about Giuliani for years. This is actually comparatively mild.
Hi Betsy! Hi Suz!
‘lo. Happy friday.
hey Alicia.
Oh not you- I mean the NYT.
awful early in a rudy rudy rudy post to be bashing clinton, if ya ask me, newton. maybe the tie in is they are both new yorkers?
Rudy Toot Toot joins the night of the LIVING DEAD.
Welcome Toot!
Best thing about NY is across the river in NJ.
GO GIANTS!
“Hillary Clinton”
“Slowly I turned- step by step- inch by inch- “
Oh, yeah. I wasn’t sure what I thought was funnier - the Times being all retroactively tough like they didn’t endorse based on how safe they felt going for sushi at 3am on the upper east side, or Giuliani saying the Times was out to get him.
My dad always says the most important city on the west coast is Hoboken ;)
Rudy is probably wondering how that big, red welt just appeared on his face.
What. A. Post.!
Slammed him on the ground and backed a bus up over his ass.
Clap, clap, clap, clap.
Now to Digg.
The Times would never kick a man when he’s down- if he’s still alive.
NY Fire Fighters say that if Rudy Toot Toot ever heats up again- they’ll put him out- at no charge.
He didn’t pay his fuckin fire insurance.
Rudy CAN fail
When Rudy Toot Toot appears in his firefighter T-shirt- he starts scratchin like crazy.
Julia!
(and…
“a message to you Rudeee.
stop your messin’ around
better think of your future”)
Rudy done been swift engined.
Dugg it.
Bonus points for me, I called him a bastard and said this was a stinger of a post.
heh, heh,
He is a bastard.
Fire fighters say Rudy didn’t earn his medals- put a band aid over his wound- and that wasn’t needed.
rwcole, you working on a comedy routine?
MSM pretty much gave Rudy Toot Toot the heroes farewell this morning…he “saved and united America after 9/11″…that was a big kick in the shins to W too…Yeah, you were great and don’t let the door hit you in the ass…
Suz,,,Well nothin much comin of it SO far.
hey busted, he is and it is.
The veal is OK though…….
So let me get this straight. New Yorkers don’t like Rudy?
Forking amazin.
i think there should be some sort of parade or something in nyc when rudy is declared an official loser. i’m thinking there will be a lotta shiny fire trucks and police cars in attendance celebrating - why, it could almost be a parade.
No kidding.
Rudy Giuliani is not qualified to be president (pdf, from the IAFF)
which, if there’s any justice, will end up in front of St. Patrick’s, where the Cardinal will duck inside before he has to greet the current Mrs. Giuliani.
Suzanne!! Lovely dive into the Lake. Great post by Laura, and I’m already way, way, behind in comments.
Wonder how long Judi will hang around her loser husband.
Rudy Giuliani is not qualified.
It may happen spontaneously, like the street party that happened in Park Slope when Nixon resigned. Folks just poured out onto the street and partied. Great night!
Where else is she going to go?
OT but fun
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=.....re=related
Queen Judy’s saying…”Rudy, the tower doesn’t look so inviting anymore…” “Can’t we go back to Dubai, to the Palm City…the place with the cool pools and hot tub…” “We were livin’ the high life Rudy….let’s go back”…
Well, since Iran isn’t working out for Shrub…
Yeah! That’s the ticket, they actually have WMD’s…!
http://www.military.com/NewsCo.....ESRC=eb.nl
cranking it up - thanks, it has my feet tapping and making me wish i could dance like i used to
Trying to enlarge that footprint in the ME.
Bushco is the nuclear proliferator of the world.
Richard Belzer, Herbie Hancock, Martha Raddatz guesting with Bill Maher talking about the Iraq war as the lying clusterfuck it is. And the heart-breaking outrage…and how dare people not care that our sons and daughters are dying there…Hancock notes our sons and daughters includes Iraqi sons and daughters.
Good watching until the twerp former Frist shill showed up.
Nice post Julia, thank you. This IAFF (and anti-Giuliani) member has got to get to bed. G’night all!
Suzanne, you have that right.
g’nite ll
Every New Yorker I know loathes him.
g’nite Suz :-)
G’nite, Loudon.
Sweet dreams from this (proud) brother of a firefighter.
i’ve not met anyone in public safety who is a fan of his.
and most Americans outside NY as well
Yeah, me too, even before he started promoting himself as the man who kicked our butts.
The funny thing is that there are a number of ways that Bloomberg isn’t actually any better, but I know people who loathe Giuliani who grudgingly think well of Bloomberg because even if he’s a bit of a loon about some things, he’s a reasonably competent loon (at least fiscally, which was never one of Rudy’s strong suits).
Who will the three Log Cabin GOPs in San Francisco vote for when Rudi drops out?
I’m thinking there would be a sparse skeleton crew, on duty, if that should occur, public safety would be in jeopardy… Tsk, tsk… *g*
Fuckabee?
Real Time…
Bill Maher: “NYT: Rudy is a mean, vindictive…” and my wonderful, old, liberal mother, LOVES him because he “cleaned up Times Square.” We’ve had this arguement a dozen times.
Wow, what a choice the Pukes have:
Someone who wants to invade and occupy the world forever without torture.
Someone who wants to invade and occupy the world forever with torture.
Someone who wants to rapture everybody as long as they dig music.
Someone who want to invade and occupy the world while he pokes his latest babe.
fork - choices, choices, choices.
i got my absentee ballot but still have not decided where my vote does the most damage.
She is not looking like a happy woman of late.
It’s wonderful, it’s marvelous, but how the hell did it happen? We know when ti happened. According to http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Rep-Pres-Primary.php he began high went higher and stayed front runner till late last year when he went into freefall, passing McCain on the up escalator around December.
Did MSM turn against hizhonna? Did Sex on the city make a dent? The drop is sudden and precipitous. Consider how hard it is to get elementary truths out where people can see them, what went right?
If anyone has a play-by-play explanation, I’d be grateful. In fact, I’ll be happy with any explanation whatsoever.
Coming on midnight in the BlueBayState. I’ll check back inthe AM if there are any answers.
g’night all and thanks Julia for conveying the meanness of this poor excuse of a man.
I have decided to vote no on all propositions cause I don’t believe in legislation by proposition.
and I am voting for Edwards.
g’nite bsrh
mary mcc - i don’t have that option - he’s not on my r ballot.
OMG. I forgot.
Lol,
Tactical combat voting.
oh Suzanne. What ARE we going to do?
Vote for Paul, that will get them all in a tizzy.
i got until super tuesday to figure it out.
Well, the field was wide open on the other side - Fred I swear I am not making this up Phelps reached out to Grandpa Fred on the grounds that he was always more or less in line with Landover on teh important issues, so if he could just reassure them…
I suspect that Mrs. Grandpa’s social conservative outreach program got a little out of hand.
There was a New Yorker cartoon of a woman my age. She says to her husband: “I’m going to France, I’m a different person in France.”
Sigh.
Ain’t that the truth!!
C’est vrai.
I’m a different person everyday of the week.
Not about France, but have you ever seen the movie “Shirley Valentine”???
Who are you today?
Well yes, aren’t we all.
I’m a mother, wife, reference librarian, taxpayer, citizen, friend, and hopefully friend here.
So what’s up with the little whisper during last nite’s debate, anyway?
Is Mitt a cheater?
Or was it St Ronnie’s ghost?
I have not, but this film is a fav of my old mum.
I think I’ve ranted my way into exhaustion (east coast, you know) so I’m going to crash.
Night, folks.
i missed it teddy and was asked about it today. later, i saw the C&L post about it.
Hopefully? ;-)
g’nite julia - sleep well and thanks for a fabu post
Tell me why you “two” like Shirley Valentine.
Aloha, Julia!
It is a great movie. IMHO
Can I take this as a “yes”?
My mother loves this movie and talks about it as one of her most admired.
night Julia
Can ya? *g*