The Associated Press sums up the results of the legislative debate/wrestling match that Christy and Jane spent all day chronicling:
The Senate granted at least a temporary victory to the White House on Thursday, turning back an attempt to increase court oversight of the government’s surveillance of phone calls and e-mails that involve people inside the United States.
The 60-36 vote to reject increased powers for the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court came as senators worked against a Feb. 1 deadline to extend the law governing how U.S. intelligence agencies carry out electronic eavesdropping.
Further action on the legislation was delayed until Monday, pushing Congress closer to the deadline, and leaving unresolved the most contentious issue in the bill: whether to grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government conduct warrantless surveillance.
The Bush administration is insisting that any new law protect from potentially crippling civil lawsuits those telecom companies that helped the government eavesdrop on Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, R-Nev., blamed Republicans for the delay, saying they were trying to block a series of amendments majority Democrats sought to offer.
"It appears the president and Republicans want failure. They don’t want a bill," Reid said.
That’s a valuable point for Reid to make (and thanks to the AP for letting it into their otherwise Bushite-friendly article), because it gives Democrats a wedge they can exploit in turning the tables against the Republicans’ inevitable accusations that they will be "soft on terrorism" if they don’t give Dick Cheney all the eavesdropping power he wants right away.
I understand the specific fear that at least some Democratic Congress-dwelling types have — a harsh 30-second ad in the fall, with shadowy pictures of terrorists making furtive cell phone calls, followed by a blunt claim that Rep. So-and-so voted against the power to monitor those calls. There’s no room for nuance there, the spineless ones complain, no opportunity for a rebuttal.
But using the point raised by Reid today, they could make their own 30-second ad — or, better yet, engage in some preemptive warfare by announcing their willingness to do so. If I were a media consultant, here’s how I’d lay out the script: First, start with the stereotypical ad I mentioned above, shown in the blurry, this-is-bullshit haze common to the debunking-commercial genre. The voiceover says, "Candidate Such-and-such is telling lies to scare you."
Then we see an official-looking paper with roll call vote results and the word "CLOTURE" or "FILIBUSTER" on it, as the announcer continues: "The truth is, Republicans blocked an extension of existing surveillance laws. Why?" (A headline, "FISA Extension Blocked By GOP," is shown.) "It had nothing to do with terrorism."
Shots of money being passed between people wearing suits and ties. "Republicans blocked it to protect big phone companies who invaded your privacy." (The screen splits between the deal-making imagery and the blurry bogus ad.) "And then they turned around and lied about it."
Cut to Rep. So-and-so, saying to an audience, "We can defend this country AND the Constitution at the same time. And we can do it without scare tactics from politicians." The closing legend: "Rep. So-and-so. Strong. And Honest."
If only someone could make an ad like that in advance and show it to the Democratic congressional caucuses, just to show them it can be done.
Of course, it’s been pointed out that the real obstacle here is too many Democrats who are lining up for some of that big phone-company money. I don’t know what to do about that problem.
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Swopa!!!
KO on now
Reid is on CSPAN 2 now.. Chuckling to himself and saying now the Republicans are objecting to their own bills.
Poor Harry Reid, he’s trying to give the Republicans everything they want and they just won’t take it. What is a faux Democrat to do?
the dems need to include the poorest of the poor….NANCY….simply because they need it the most!
If only someone could make an ad like that in advance and show it to the Democratic congressional caucuses, just to show them it can be done.
If only Democrats had some support in say, Hollywood…
I’ve always been amazed at how the Dem’s fail to use that resource for anything other than campaign dollars.
You’re not grasping your pearls, Hugh… ;-)
As long as the politicians are bought by the corporate lobbyists, what chance do we really have?
Ed Meese was right.
There is a criminal lobby in this country*.
It’s called the telecom lobby.
*Of course, Ed meant the ACLU,
but let’s not quibble.
Anybody notice that Edwards is leading the white vote nationally?
very little
To abuse an old cliche, the current Dem leadership couldn’t “punch” their way through a wet paper bag. They’ll cave in again… and again… again.
This is a Dem site, as I’ve been told.
Best wishes to the posters here if and when a Dem takes the WH.
FWIW, I dislike them all.
I don’t know that I am quite ready to include Mr. Reid in my book of admirably notable Democrats.
i like JRE
In this home we are planning to vote Democratic come next November. Regardless of who the name of that nominee is.
the question is whether or not the dems really do want to block it and do the right thing. I am so tired of being disappointed by the repigs lite that comprise too much of the dem caucus.
And what to do with Holy Joe now????
Checking in from a Panera in SoCal where I am stranded without cable teevee or net access while so much is going on. Been in withdrawal for days.
Keep fighting for the right my friends. I’ll join back in the fracas when I get home late Mon.
We are fans of Mr. Edwards in this house.
I would very much like to see Harry and Nancy replaced with “real” Dems.
ARIANNA always diminishesEdwards
So are we, but we would REALLY prefer it if the name was Edwards.
kiddo, you speak so much wisdom in so few words.
I think this site (and many of the commenters) would consider themselves more of a Progressive lean than straight Democratic. It’s just that there are very, very few Progressive Republicans, if any at all, so it just seems to be a Democratic site.
Thanks for your input.
Nancy Armani Pelosi
And what to do with Holy Joe now????
I’ve got a feeling that Harry Reid won’t do a damned thing, even if he accepts the slot as McCain’s V.P. candidate.
I am still planning to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate on November 4, 2008, but come November 5 all bets are off.
Hillary loves him
Mahalo, I was gonna mention something along those lines, too… *g*
I am listening to what you are saying to me. Also. Lahoma and I absolutely adore President Carter. ;0)
the f word…felons
I think I am understanding of your point. ;0)
sadly yes, why do you say that? What have you got?
The Democratic winner for president next November, had damn well better perform.
There is a very progressive independent Senator from Vermont: Bernie Sanders. A good guy, in my opion.
True. Agree with Hugh.
she said the otherday…she wantted him to keep his commiteeships
Ditto in this home, but now we are saying: Clinton and Obama are dead to us if they dont filibuster telcom immunity.
I dont need a DINO democrat. I WONT be complicit in voting for someone who wont lead when the oppty is there.
Why wait till 2009? They can lead now and bring their campaign press tail with them to expose the lie that is telco immunity and the hiding of BUSHCO criminality.
Edwards is calling them out. and I say–lead opr you are dead to me.
It only takes one to filibuster—the help that is needed is to vote against cloture.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..203027/281
OMG. I’ve about given up on HuffPo. Look at the horrible picture of Michelle Obama she has on her front page. Rude and disrespectful.
When he first started out, Bernie was an avowed Socialist. He adopted the “independent” tag when he first ran for the House but IIRC he was elected mayor of Montpelier as a Socialist.
i have given up on it…wont click it
To Art45..
I would suggest you lurk at this site for an extended period of time.
Also spend some time reading, say, Michelle Malkin, Hugh Hewitt, Jonah Goldberg and the like and compare. You may just learn something.
yea sure…and getting up there with them would be cool, too.
Thanks, I’ll view that soon, sadlyyes.
Did you click on the picture to go to the article about Michelle? They’ve chosen a photo that makes her look like a Nazi:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..83065.html
*rolling eyes*
Yep. Back in the 70’s he was the Socialist mayor of Burlington VT. I briefly worked on his mayor’s commission for women. He was up against a heavily rethug city council, and as a college student I started going to city hall meetings because the fireworks were just so damn interesting.
Sanders is a firebrand alright.
Gee Howard Fineman on Countdown saying the Senate is doing exactly what the Rs want them to do since it is the Rs who are “strong on defense” and the Dems are running scared.
Republicans are weak on defense. the invasion of iraq made us less safe.
Dems need to call Bullshit on Goopers with regard to telecom immunity. Do it now.
TOADY!
“Of course, it’s been pointed out that the real obstacle here is too many Democrats who are lining up for some of that big phone-company money. I don’t know what to do about that problem.”
Follow John Edwards’ lead.
And lest we forget we Californians also need to get rid of Senators Feinstein and Boxer for their failed representation and rethuglican rubber stamping of Bush & Cheney’s usurption of raw power.
seems to meFDR was a 4 time elected war president…this is pure bullkaqkkkkkky
I concur, Arianna has compounded a modicum of political notoriety into a lot of facetime on TV and an income with her tabloid blog. She displaces a lot of true political worthies, including personages such as our own Jane. There are many far shrewder observers available to speak on our behalf if only they were given the opportunity.
and repukes were the isolationists
i totally agree,she is teh shallow,and Jane would run circles around her imo
Boxer has been pretty good. No?
The difference between Jane and Huffington is that Jane takes up causes based on the issues whereas Arianna takes them up based on the personalties.
Boxer backed Lieberman but over all Feinstein is far worse.
I am hearing you. ;0)
i like Bar! sent her BIG box of Chocolates
Good evening neurophius.
Lahoma.
I’ll second that…! *g*
Swopa, I have to believe the thing the telecoms fear more than lawsuits is the public relations nightmare. The damage done to “brand” would be a good deal greater than any financial penalties they might incur. I suspect – and, don’t really know – whether financial penalties for a conviction could be limited in some way. With the government’s tendency to bail out big business, I’d have to believe some level of relief could be offered to these companies. But, the notion of thousands (hundreds of thousand?) of subscribers dropping their services could be a real disaster. I suspect any senator who has received telecom money has a figurative .45 pointed at their heads with the clear instructions not to fail in getting immunity passed.
Who are these dems you are advising to pick up a wedge and use it against Repubs? Have you not figured out yet that the Dem leadership does not listen to the blogs and are only concerned with what the corporate media tell them to do and not do? Nothing you or any blog says has any effect on them whatsoever.And that goes for the rest of the country. If citizens were listening to the blogs as opposed to corporate media, they would be handing Edwards win after win instead of marching lockstep with corporate spin and voting for their approved candidates.
Giving the party any advice is like pissing in the wind. Wake up and realize that despite people like Feingold, the Dem party is a hopeless, lost cause.
Time for civil disobedience.
To what, tho? Therein lies the rub… 8-(
Chamberpot time! We’re already well past the pitchforks and lanterns…
Ooh, the Huckster preaching a WPA approach…!
I enjoy talking to myself… ;-)
Haha, me too.
I just think it is well past time to give up entirely on a party that is determined not only to usher in a police state dictatorship, but to stick it to the people who voted them in in the first place. THEY HATE US. Don’t fool yourselves-the Dem party base are just as guilty of being abused, justifying wives as we have claimed the party is to Repuublicans. It’s time to throw the bums out and press charges and to STOP BEING SO GODDAMNED NAIVE when it comes to thinking we can have an effect on anything they do.
Time for civil disobedience.
if ONLY , , ,
Shit, even my cable TV company is smart enough to run ads against the fucking phone company.
I started the day with low expectations. However, the biggest disappointment was that my senator – Claire McCaskill (a Dem) – voted to table/kill the Judiciary version of the bill. I don’t know if it had to do with AT&T and Sprint presence here in Missouri, or with deference to that dinosaur Kit Bond. Any thoughts from other Missourians?
We really need to put the full court press on McCaskill tomorrow and Monday. I’m hoping it’s not too late to convince her to come down on the right side of this issue.
Punch Back Suggestions:
1. Letter to Senators Clinton, Obama, Edwards: “I am a lifelong Democrat and believe that you have what it takes to be President. I will be voting in my state’s primary upcoming for the candidate who supports Senator Dodd on the FISA legislation by appearing in the Senate and casting a vote; no exceptions!”
2. March on Congress with Senator Dodd fillibuster ongoing. A 500,000 member march on Washington did wonders in getting people’s attention on the Vietnam war. Is is possible to get that turnout in the internet age?
Qwest reportedly refused the administration. Credo mobile is soliciting subscribers and, I believe, put it in print that they will not cooperate with warrantless wiretaps. EFF offers a one month rial to a service that allows you to surf the net anonymously for new members. Consider PGP encryption, or Tor. None of it is likely to be foolproof. But, we don’t have to make it easy.
You can’t lead while hiding in a closet, trembling in fear.
consider voting for Edwards. He has been in the lead (mostly) concerning corporations and their abusive/illegal activities, and as a POTUS, would be very powerful indeed.
Until the Dems can neuter the republican noise they are stuck tilting at windmills.
Not a one of them preaches fire like they should.
That meek demeanor that we bitch about is all too real.
We need some good old get in their face politicians who aren’t afraid of whatever God Damn Chrtis Mathews, or Chris Wallace or Punkin Haid starts calling angry and shrill.
We NEED angry and shrill.
SWOPA!
you’ve articulated this 30-60 second spot so well, why not approach a film class… see if someone wants to make it a project? Put the idea up on CraigsList? It really could be a powerful ad. If i didn’t have a million things, i might give it a shot. Could be fun, and easily low budget.
Shouldn’t you be working for a hard-hitting ad agency?
Puke.
Which poll is that? linky?
I don’t know how a person could vote for a senator who wouldn’t stand up for the Constitution. This is a significant moment for Clinton & Obama.