I noticed a couple of years ago that Republicans eager to defend the Bush administration’s grotesque power grab under the aegis of the "war on terror" — especially its claims regarding "enemy combatants" and military tribunals — have been trotting out the notion that the Supreme Court’s 1942 Korematsu v. United States ruling was, upon further consideration, a good and proper ruling.
This was the ruling, you’ll remember, in which the Supreme Court upheld the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans during World War II. It is now widely viewed as one of the high court’s three great historical mistakes, alongside Dred Scot and Plessy v. Ferguson.
Mind you, at the time, it was that "constitutional expert" Ann Coulter talking, which meant it was being floated out there on the pop-culture level. Now, it appears, a slightly modified version of this meme is making the rounds among supposedly respectable legal minds.
Coulter actually was correct on a certain level: as the Wikipedia entry notes, even after Fred Korematsu’s conviction was vacated, "The essential holding of the 1944 Korematsu decision — namely, that a race-based exclusion program founded on considerations of military judgment did not violate the Constitution — remained untouched."
Coulter, unsurprisingly, thought this was a good thing: anything to help the Bush administration further open wide the hole in the Constitution (one, in fact, largely created by the internment episode) by wildly expanding executive-branch powers during wartime. As I noted previously:
What the Japanese-American internment revealed for the first time was a hole in the traditional checks and balances of constitutional powers. In wartime, the total deference to the executive branch would lend it nearly comprehensive powers. The post-Sept. 11 response has opened another dimension to this: If wartime — as in the “War on Terror” — becomes itself a never-ending enterprise, then the executive branch’s power becomes potentially illimitable.
[For those interested in more about Fred Korematsu and the circumstances surrounding his case, check out the excellent work by Eric Paul Fournier at POV.]
Now, Stephen Griffin at Balkinization noted recently that the Korematsu ruling is being given a second life of sorts by conservative legal eminences engaging in a grotesque kind of historical revisionism:
The basic flavor of the new conventional wisdom is that the internment was justified on the basis of the knowledge available to government officials acting in good faith in the confused months following the December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. Later, however, using the benefits of hindsight, “liberals” condemned the Korematsu case as racist and consigned it to the category of one of the worst decisions in the history of the American judiciary. I think exploring this new conventional wisdom yields some insights on the quality of constitutional analysis post-9/11.
Note, if you will, that this "conventional wisdom" bears more than a passing resemblance to Michelle Malkin’s misbegotten thesis of a few years back. Now we’re hearing the same thing from Judge Richard Posner:
One example is in a book written by Judge Posner on Bush v. Gore. Posner suggests that liberals “denounce [Korematsu] from the safe distance of half a century.” He comments that the threat posed by Japan was perceived to be great, “though in hindsight we know that the perception was exaggerated.” Apparently making a comment about liberals today, Posner states: “Liberals detest Korematsu, but not because it allowed pragmatism to trump principle; rather because of suspicion of the military and a sense of shame about the history of the nation’s mistreatment of East Asians.”
I was surprised to find another example of this sort of reasoning in a casebook on foreign relations law by Professors Bradley and Goldsmith. They refer to “intelligence information” about threats from Japanese civilians as if it was credible at the time. They note that Korematsu “is widely decried,” but apparently on the basis of an “ex post perspective” in “hindsight.” They ask students to reflect whether hindsight is “the proper perspective from which to determine the validity of military orders in response to perceived emergencies?”
The problem, of course, is not that "pragmatism trumped principle" in the Korematsu ruling — it’s that hysteria trumped both pragmatism and principle, a hysteria fueled by unchecked military officials seeking to accrue new powers outside the purview of the courts. Griffin goes on to explain just why the Korematsu ruling is considered such a travesty — namely, that the "military necessity" cited by the court in acceding to the evacuation and incarceration of 120,000 people was a demonstrable falsehood even at the time:
It’s not as if everyone figured out decades after WWII that the internment had been a terrible mistake, as Posner would have it. Most responsible lawyers with access to relevant information knew the internment was unjustified at the time. Others without access to FBI files were capable of exercising their common sense judgment to figure out that the evidence available could never justify the deportation of whole families into internal exile.
As I explained when discussing this earlier:
Put simply, the deference of the Court to the executive branch in wartime that Korematsu exhibited was predicated on deceptiveness from the Justice and War departments that in turn sought to obscure the nakedly racist nature of the claim of "military necessity." That is to say, when the Courts so abjectly defer to such wartime powers, the executive can expand all its powers to unimaginable heights simply on its say-so, whether truthful or not.
Of course, as I also noted back when Coulter was floating this meme, there is a certain firewall in place within the court system entailing the consensus view of Korematsu as bad law: most of the current justices have indicated that this is their view of it, including John Roberts, for whom the case came up as a significant question during Senate confirmation hearings, at which he made clear that he saw it as "a mistake."
So it remains unlikely, at present at least, that any attempt by the Bush administration to use Korematsu as a precedent in its legal wranglings over the inmates at Guantanamo and other "enemy combatants," would survive at the Supreme Court level.
But now that supposed legal experts and judicial authorities have run this meme up the flagpole, it will be interesting to see who else salutes. If people like Posner are selling it, you never know who (cough*Scalia*cough*Thomas*cough*Alito) might be buying.
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Debate okay? Sorry, David, will read later.
David, last time I didn’t know if you were really here on the thread.
David!!!
Romney is happy with a temporary tax cut to pay the heating bill, but he really wants a permanent tax cut. (For his rich buddies)
McCain, it’s very important to make tax cuts permanent.
McCain, cut corporate income taxes.
Are these people nuts? Help me.
Echo
9ulia11i wants further tax cuts. (What’s new?)
RUDY sacked the quarterback! Tax cuts for anyone who makes over 1/2 million!
Gonna have to tune out and watch the matrix or something.
Michelle Malkin – A mental state of denial. Stockholm syndrome.
Sad.What bothers me most about the present FISA fight is the Democrats lack of recognition of how each power grab sets the stage for the next power grab. Unlimited power to wiretap leads to unlimited power to detain, which they have now, but are not exercising on a mass scale, such as arresting all Democratic precinct captains.
All of us who publicly support Democrats are, to one extent or another, putting ourselves at risk, clearly the people who expect not just our votes, but our active volunteer effort, are not prepared to lift a finger in our defense.
Shame on them.
McCain has people like Marty around him – its all going to be good.
McCain is saying that he is very well-versed on the economy. He doesn’t have a clue where Russert got the idea that he claimed he wasn’t an expert on the economy.
Good for Huckabee. He says the money for the stimulus is coming from borrowed money from China, and Americans will buy goods from the Chinese.
He said he didn’t know where he got the quote.
Fuklebee plan is to disallow tax rebate to be spent on China goods – no thats just his lead. He is down with putting it into jobs and construction and people stuck in traffic.
I gotta say I stand up and clap that he is talking about trillions wasted sitting in tolls and traffic. I wish he did not have to put in the China slam/contrast first though.
“Massachusetts is in a ditch…I went on a tour of the USA for a Presidential launch while making fun of MA all across the country”
~ Mitt
Wow, the no “Bush” mention rule is even meaning that none of the candidates are calling McCain voting against the original Bush taxs cuts (only to extend them).
I wish Fred was still here.
McCain has lost a lot of weight.
Folks, make sure you read Dave’s supreme takedown of Jonah Goldberg at his place. Niewert mops the floor with the Doughy one, in a way that made me embarassed for the Pantload.
link?
I so agree with you. Every day I wonder how much worse it’s gonna get and it does. Will it ever stop? It is hard to maintain a
positive attitude about my country. How do you others do it?
I see Rudy Julie Annie is looking tanned from being in the Florida sun while waiting for others to arrive for the debate. *rolling eyes*
9ui11iani scooting around the issue of refusing $10 million. Guy needs some new dentures.
Oh, just stick around! Keep in mind that those of us who comment are probable less than 10%. We ARE the people.
Take the long view.
McCain: The Democrats will continue their spending….
STFU…lying sack of…
I hate them.
Bush v Gore should be #4 on the list..but Plessy is probably the very worst. I get the sick feeling that the Roberts Court is going to be another era like the late 1890’s to 1930’s.
If I were a republican, I’d vote for Huckabee. He (at least pretends) to understand working class folks.
Romney, now, shamelessly disagrees with Huckabee.
Romney…We are the party of fiscal responsibility…
The big dollars are in entitlements…..NOT…it is your everlasting wars, you liar.
Rudy sucks dog eggs.
I hate them….Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
My apologies …. here … brilliant stuff … http://www.inblogs.net/dneiwert
OOOOOOH, Hil is “waving the white flag of surrender” St John
It worked before, I’ll go and get my camping equipment ready for this event because we all know Demos won’t be giving any Rights back.
jo6pac
My landlord and family were in this camps.
WHoo! Look forward to reading that.
Mr. LS, “Shut up!!”…
I’m experiencing anger.
Deficit spending and war profiteering, continued from Reagan to Bush I. Clinton balanced the budget and created jobs. Dubya put us back in the red again – like we have never seen.
Therein resides the heart and soul of the Unitary Executive…
They are all pigs. War pigs.
Yeah, I’m here, but I figure everybody wants to talk debate anyway. This is mostly an informational piece for the civil libertarians out there. Of course, anyone wants to talk it over, I’ll be glad to, but hey — whatever people wanna talk about is fine with me.
And yes, it has been fun (if a bit of a grind) taking on Goldberg. Certainly, it’s been a chance to inform.
Mitt wants for better fund for the GI Bill for the troops ”IF THEY COME HOME”.
My favorite doctor friend, who is an Internist, believes McCain is suffering from ill health and actually somewhat concerned with the weight loss. I had not even noticed he was losing weight cause I don’t like the looks nor the sound of McCain.
Mitt: If you’ll sign up for the military, we’ll offer….blah, blah, blah…
Hey Mittsolini, send your own 5 sons off to war to fight “Al Qaeda”….No? What? They are too “special”????
Bite a rock Romney.
Ask them if they will send their child! Not if Iraq was worth it, is it worth your child’s life?
Now, watch Hillary bow up and tell everyone what a bad ass she is now that they are hanging the cowardly fucking liberal tag on her.
Dang, David! Your most excellent post was shanghai’d… *g*
But his sons could get free college and insurance. Why haven’t Romney’s sons all signed up?
Tell Mr. LS to take it easy.
A return to Korematsu is a natural outgrowth of idefinite detention and the suspension of habeas of “unlawful enemy combatants”. Once you start eroding the legal rights of one group it is not difficult to extend the process to all.
It is antithetical to our most cherished Constitutional values. In addition to vitiating habeas, it represents an unreasonable seizure lacking probable cause as forbidden by the 4th Amendment. More directly it violates the due process and equal protection provisions of the 14th Amendment.
Of course, the junior fascists of the Republican Party would love this. They wish no legal restraint on their use and maintenance of power.
He doesn’t seem well.
McSurge: WMDs, Saddam Hussein, we’re on the right track…If we get out now, I guarantee ya AQ will be “trumpeting” to the world….
Yeah….”step right up, sign up right here for Jeeeehaaad”…that’s the truth…”resist” that is that best recruitment for anti-American sentiment…They are resistance fighters not terrorists you fools!!! The Greatest Generation defended the Resistance!!!!!!!!!!!They don’t want you killing their families, they don’t want you destroying their country, they don’t want you ruling their country. *ssholes!!!
Melanoma can recur years after it was removed. I don’t think I ever saw full medical records released on McCain.
Exactly. He’s calm and has the flu :(…I’m really incensed.
Four: Bush v. Gore.
And the decision proclaiming corporate political contributions as “free speech” is a few lengths behind the leaders.
When the general public accepts the mounting evidence about who the real perps of 9-11 are, will SCOTUS rule in favor “Korematsu-ing” the PNAC tribe?
Dave, another favorite meme from the right, one I have had to battle myself, is the constant refrain of “well Lincoln suspended Habeus as well, so if Bush did it, it’s Lincolnesque.”
X’actly, it’s a mighty slippery slope…! Korematsu had impacted the Isles mightily…
All of us here have to make a decision about how they will vote next November, obviously. Some will sit the election out. Some may do a write-in. In this house we think Edwards is the best choice. But when it comes down to it, and Lahoma and i have wrestled with the options, and have concluded we will cast our ballot in the direction of our party next fall in favor of the Democrats. Regardless of who the nominee might be. And gawd help the next Democratic president who does not measure up. Good night dear folks. Tomorrow is another day. ;0)
L. and okk.
It’s Bill Clinton’s fault.
Ghouliani wants an ability to “sue in China”
Bwhahahahahhaha!!!
These people are nuts in a handbag.
Substantially increase the military because Bill Clinton…blah, blah…Bill Clinton…blah blah…Jeebus….
On Korematsu. I know it’s not kosher to be paranoid on a respectable blog like this, but I think Anne is just warming up the crowd for the postponing of the next election. You would need some such institution to handle the outrage.
On the event itself: I had a Japanese girlfriend who was born in one of the camps in Canada in 1942. A few years ago she was watching a CBC programme and she thought she saw hewr mother, identified by some kind of scarf. She got the tapes from the producer, and indeed, it was her mother, and her in her arms. The father was in a different camp.
The inhumanity.
“Drug dealers, pimps, non republicans”….Huckabee
Huckleberry wants a fair tax. RUSSERT asks how it would be fair. Hucks is preaching about how taxpayers are paying 33%. This guy is a dolt.
That is friggin’ incredible.
Shame…shame…shame.
McCain has developed a circle of acquaintences and friends who would help him on economic issues.
I caught that one too, with the chuckle from the audience. Amazing as they can sit by and watch Bush rape the treasury, but they’re still worried about black guys selling drugs. Fucking ingrates.
And they are full of crap. It was perfectly Constitutional under Article I section 9. If they are trying to make some connection to Lincoln, the Emancipation Proclamation where Lincoln used his C in C power in time of war would be more fitting.
Republicans seem to support Death, detention, torture, spying. Enough said. They are the Death Party.
Romney will not support any new legislation against assault rifles. Period. Fuck no.
Mortipublicans.
Yes, How could we forget that abomination… As Scalia wrote in the Majority Opinion, it’s a one-time shot, it doesn’t establish judicial precedence… Got that…? *wink*
9ui11iani looks limp.
The price of ammo has gone up so much, who can afford to own one?
I associate Republicans with war, fear, death, torture, and spying on Americans. I have heard nothing to alter that perception.
Last gasps… ;-)
Romney supports some kind of effort to get everyone catastrophic health insurance. WHAT A RADICAL!!!
Always wondered whether internment was partly to take the assets of the people sent off to the camps, here in addition to Germany.
Yup, but using facts and reason are verboten when talking to an indiot winger.
Hi egregious! Haven’t seen you in a while.
Still a very sore topic to raise here in the Isles…
Republicans are really boring and tedious to listen to.
They have no new ideas…
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….
McCain says, “Lieberman, my…, one of my favorite democrats…”
Bet he almost accidentally said, Leiberman, my running mate.
;-)
More than partly..the irony is Earl Warren was a prime mover in this story.
Better yet!!!
They are Zeros not Zoros….0000000000000000000000
Korematsu was logically indefensible at the time it was decided. What military necessity would require internment of a tiny minority of Japanese in WWII California that would have exempted rounding up German immigrants in WWI? Or more glaringly, exempted internment of Japanese-Americans in Hawaii where the minority was larger and the invasion threat was direr?
It is now widely viewed as one of the high court’s three great historical mistakes, alongside Dred Scot and Plessy v. Ferguson.
when does bush v. Gore get posted as huge historical mistake #4?
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Is this guy Posner anything but an intellectual whore for the powerfu1? I know we are supposed revere his intellect, but this peon looks at results and sees consistent power grabs for those who pay well.