FEINGOLD: Feingold calls bullshit. He got up there and said that WRT his amendment the White House pleadings could be redacted for security reasons before they're turned over to congress. Then Kyl got up and asked if they could be redacted. Then Feingold said "yes, that's what I just said." Now they're all saying that the terrorists win if the pleadings can be seen. Feingold looks like Steve Martin pitching a fit in the airport in Planes, Trains & Automobiles.
[CHS here -- jumping in to help Jane for a sec..]
WHITEHOUSE: Going over the way wiretaps work -- He's pushing the need to have retrictions on how the Administration can spy on Americans -- refined from Schumer and Feingold on Judiciary and by Whitehouse and others on Intel. Committee -- Specter/Whitehouse Amendment. "In order to understand this, you have to have a basic understanding on the operation of wiretap surveillance." [CHS notes: oooh, nice smack at Bond's lack of comprehension on any of this.]
Says that the Court is not given oversight on whether procedures the court approved are, in fact, being followed -- this Amendment adds that into the legislation. Talking about how the wiretap works where there is a foreign person under surveillance, but there is an incidental intercept of an American. When the purpose of this is enforcing minimization procedures that benefit the US person, it should not matter whether the target is an American overseas or in the US -- the person who gets constitutional protection is a US person incidentally swept into the surveillance net. Not a foreign person, who is not covered by FISA.
Need to clear up this matter here, rather than have to force the courts to litigate this. Says that he regrets that Bond is objecting to this Amendment even coming up -- seeing how he worked with Bond to put this together in the first place, I can certainly see why. Says he hopes that this is not some tactical maneuver to squeeze things together like the last time, trying to manufacture a rush where there ought not to be one.
BOND: Goes through a whine about how to procede, and he's not setting aside anything until someone tells him what he's supposed to do. Now trying to finesse the fact that his supported plan allows the executive branch to oversee itself on whether it thinks that it is doing a bang up job. Because that's worked out brilliantly thus far...yadda yadda yadda.
WHITEHOUSE: Thanks Bond for his blather. But your recollection of this is inaccurate and here are all the reasons why.
CARDIN: Now wants to offer and amendment, and Kit Bond is yet again objecting to Whitehouse's characterization of Bond's inaccurate statements which Bond is now walking back in a convulted manner. [CHS notes: good God, there is not enough coffee in the entire universe...] And now back to Cardin and his amendment. It's a sunset provision amendment. Cardin says that he doesn't feel that anyone here is completely confident that they have this right. [CHS notes: Agree with him there. And again I say, you hand out immunity, it can never be walked back.]
INHOFE: Well, we are in for a scintillating treat now -- he wants morning business time. And Feinstein wants in after him. [CHS notes: Good heavens. Did I say scintillating? Someone wake me up when Inhofe stops talking.]
REID: Asking if managers are on floor. Kennedy to be recognized for 5 minutes, then Feinstein for 5 minutes, then Reid. Kyl objects to the request, but has no objection to them asking individually for time because that makes a whle lot of parliamentary sense.
KENNEDY: Amendment to allow for members of Congress to get classified briefings, and whatever is made public is only a redacted declassified fact briefing. Need to have court and IG reviews of what happened, why, and what to avoid in terms of lapses in the future. Makes point that WH will share docs with Senate Intel and Judiciary committees, but not with House because it doesn't like their proposed bill. Petty. IG review is not some sort of fishing expedition -- it is a review of the warrantless wiretapping, this is not partisan it is our jobs to know the answers on this. The American public deserves both their liberty and their security to be protected. The only reason to vote against this is to vote for stonewalling and denial.
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Great shot of the imbecile.
I’m on clearwire.
what an odd-looking weird and stupid man. how is it that anyone at all voted for him?
Is it the WH pleadings? I thought it was the DoJ’s OLC pleadings, Jane!
OT from C&L:
Bye! “Good” work over the last 20 years.
Another Republican Calling It Quits–Jim Walsh (NY-25) To Retire
That Dubya face. What a beautiful day it will be when I won’t have to see it or hear from it anymore!
Burning up the tubes today!
The last gasp of our Constitutional Republic is playing out on the Senate floor, as the corporations’ bribed Senators immunitize them for lawbreaking. From this day forward, expecting corporations to obey any law will be a futile exercise. They’ll just go to Congress and buy amnesty.
Great shot of the imbecile.
Caption: “Thought I was bluffin’ with that ‘pull my finger’ thing didn’t ya?”
Wyden sounds like he is lecturing middle school students. Probably a little too complicated if he’s trying to get through to the Repugs.
They thought they could have a beer with him…
They thought he was real morally straight…
They thought he prayed the right way…
ACtually, it’s hard to come up with an actual good reason.
Ron Wyden is the anti-no-doze…
Good Point, Teddy. You got that right in spades. We are The United States Of Advertising.
Hypothetical situations vs real constitutional violations swept under the rug! This is disgusting!!!
Have they rolled out the cots yet…? ;-)
Bought and paid for, your United States Senate.
Bueller? Bueller?
You are too kind
Here we are now
Entertain us
Cuz we’re stupid
Actually, Wyden’s speaking style could be very useful during a filibuster. Take a 20 minute speech and give it over the course of an hour or two.
I dreamt that Kit Bond said he wanted to protect me.
What the hell is wrong with Wyden?
I’m sick to my stomach. I haven’t felt this bad since they passed “The Military Commissions Act”. So what do we do now? How, do we (those of us who don’t live in Nevada) get rid of Reid? How do we get our COUNTRY BACK??!!!
what kinds of meds are you on?
oh my god Bond again.
Bangs head on keyboard.
I’m late to the party, has Dodd spoken today?
LOL - and it took me a couple of readings to get it. He sounds like a preschool teacher: everyone now put your lunch boxes back in your cubbies….
Bond’s gripping that dais with both hands now.
Thanks, are you going to pay to get the latte out of my keyboard now? Are you? Are you?… LOL.
Wyden: “Madame President, I ask for unanimous consent to publicly kiss the ass of my good friend, the Republican Senator from Missouri…”
“Without Objection”.
I am going to need either scream therapy or a stiff drink, or both, shortly.
Please don’t smile, Kit. That should be in the horrer flicks.
If it were up to me, I’d ask Feingold and Dodd to just get up and start reading the 4th Amendment over and over and over again. Unfortunately, some of the republicans and Bush-dogs would say they are being “UnAmerican”.
Go figure.
Yea, and monster movies too!
Kit Bond. Best denture adhesive or use it to glue any laminate to any surface. Works on chrome, nickel, steel, copper, bronze, ducco and enamel.
Senator Bond: “Madame President - a point of parliamentary procedure - What time does happy-hour start around here”?
Just got this email from John Edwards:
The only pic of the Chimpenfeuhrer that I can stand
Is this typical Wyden?
Everything looks normal to me…
Let’s not bash Wyden too hard. If we killed immunity but let NSA spy on all Americans once they set foot outside the country, it’d still be f*cked.
I’ll take boring progress over exciting bloodshed in this one case. ;-)
*BELIEVE*
I feel so helpless — it makes me sick. No matter what we do, they just keep selling our country down the river. We yell and fuss and send letters and faxes and phone and they just ignore us. They blather and posture and promise, and even our Dem leaders are just empty suits, not real leaders. Whitehouse and Feingold and Dodd excepted.
Senator Whitehouse.
Please come over to the side of the light.
I like Wyden. Just…could he pick up the pace?
what just happened?
Molly, if we give up, they’ll be even worse.
We are affecting them. They WANT you to give up. Don’t give them that pleasure.
I think you’ll like this one.
So, was that a Freudian slip on Whitehouse’s part ” … so when Americans are oversees the rights they believe they enjoy …
FISA Haiku
FISA not Wisdom
Makes Cheney more Evil
Constitution Cries
Bond bitch-slapped Whitehouse, and Sheldon did not like it at all.
Yeah, he could and *should* be great - he was killing Stephen Johnson in the EPA hearing this am…
That’s what I’m talkin’ about.
Kinda OT:
I did see Kucinich on our local news last night introducing articles of impeachment for Bush, yesterday. It was one of the rare times he gets any press. He looked and sounded good. I know Cinnamonape would be proud.
excellent! sad, but excellent.
Senator Whitehouse: “Well, Senator Bond, and it pains me to say this about my great friend, but evidently you *are* an asshole after all.”
I agree completely. Thanks Phoenix Woman!
In your dream, were you wearing your Maidenform Bra?
Oh, my 56 was in response to wangdangdoodles’ picture of the chimp.
I thought the Immunity clause was contained in title 3, why all this debate over title 1…?
Watching Whitehouse getting flustered when Kit Bond says “NO!” to unanimous consent to allow him to present his (Whitehouse’s) amendment. The Dems just don’t get it. The Republicans play hard ball, every pitch and the Dems seem to think they’ll be conciliatory, naive thinking. Sad, pitifully sad.
The idea is nice, but the timing is off. It would have been nice if that email had gone out a bit earlier, like last week. Today, that seems a day late and a dollar short.
So why isn’t he in DC? Letters don’t cut it!!! BE THERE!
He is not in the senate anymore.
Bond steps up and kills the bill he worked with the demo’s to create. Gee, Do Wyden and Feingold and Whitehouse all realize they have been lead down the river now?
this is embarrassing to see the democrats deal with the syndicate at all. time for action.
When, in the course of human events…..
What is he going to accomplish by “being there”?
This has been a total failure of leadership on the part of Clinton and Obama. If they had taken a stand in the Senate today, there is a good chance that this “Scooter Libby Justice” Immunity for Bush & Cheney for High Crimes and Misdemeanors FISA bill would not have passed unless the so-called Democratic “leadership” of Harry Reid wanted to totally embarrass the two leading (no offense to John Edwards) Democratic candidates for President. As a Florida voter who is about to mark his ballot for next week’s primary, I called both of their offices today and expressed as much. Despite already making $$ contributions to one of them (can I get a refund now?), neither will get my vote in the primary, neither deserves my vote in November, and neither will likely get it in November. Frankly, I’m disgusted by the actions of the Democrats in Congress. After November 2006, I didn’t believe the Dems would be able to rectify most of the damage done by Bush & Cheney (the Chimp in Charge still has veto power), but at least were hopeful they would limit the damage. Instead they have rolled over more often than my dogs and made things worse. (And don’t even get me started on the failure of the Democrats to enforce subpoenas to Rove, Miers, et.al.). All that is left for me to do is complete the survey from the DNC that I received last night in the mail and return it to Howard Dean telling him “Congratulations, after more than 40 years as a registered Democrat, I will be registering as an Independent after voting for someone other than Clinton and Obama in next week’s primary.”
Yeah, I know, I know. But it is so hard when I see it just failing and failing again and again.
why is KITTY getting to preside over all this…that roue is embarrasing
It sounds to me like Whitehouse has begun a fillibuster to insist the amendments get taken up. No? Speaking off the cuff somewhat.
Just called Boxer. Left message. Called Feinstein. Talked to someone. Let them both know that I’ve voted for each of them every time. No more unless they start representing me.
charts i love charts
“I’m very hungry now. Would you please bring my lunch?” :-)
(*Very* oblique presidential reference on *that* one. :-) )
I don’t blame him…he’s fighting right now to get elected. For the first time, he got a good bump out of the CNN debate and is now truly rising in the SC polls…furthermore, it isn’t his job and he wouldn’t get any media coverage….On the other hand, it
isObama’s and Clinton’s jobs to be there, and they are too busy sniping at each other on the road, which will leave Edwards standing in the end. JMHO.Ooh. Venn diagram.
I know he can’t vote. But I think John Edwards’s physical presence would add something to Dodd’s efforts. Would make a big statement. “I think this is important enough to be here. Obama and Clinton don’t.”
Call me naive. I am, I guess. I just want so much more from those who are asking for my support than lip service.
Naive old Donkey
In Darkness riddled with doubt
sees shadow and flees
And to think they used to have do it prospectively.
Just-in-time amnesty.
I can’t believe that Whitehouse has been reduced to arguing about “minimization”.
It’s like he’s admitting that any attempt to stop illegal wiretapping is doomed, and he’s now just begging to at least save the people we *know* are truly innocent. (and Bond objected, of course)
Am I mistaken, I thought in the roll call vote that Whitehouse voted “yea” to kill the Judiciary Bill?
not “
is“….”is“….I hope so. But I think the sniping is only going to hand the presidency to the GOP.
Personally, I’m still in a state of shock that Bain Capital, an equity capital firm founded by Mitt Romney in 1987, would donate to a Democratic Senator, Whitehouse. I don’t get it. It’s only about $35K (?), but it’s enough to be considered the second highest donation from a corporation to Whitehouse’s campaign. It just doesn’t make much sense to me.
Whitehouse - Nay
Too bad this one is only in my dreams
The HRC and Obama kindergarten nanny-nanny-boo-boofest ‘08 has been totally counterproductive… except to the millionaire pundits who get grist daily for their shows and horse-race analogies.
Handing the presidency to yet another Republic seems to be the goal of the Clintons, Reid, and Pelosi.
I hate the sniping.
Whitehouse is suggesting he will be doing fillibustering! he said, we will be staying quite late if we can’t introduce amendments.
“and if I change my mind you’ll still get a letter* from me”
*fundraising
(apologies to Elvis)
Thanks for the live blog. I tried to watch on C-Span but watching Kit Bond was giving me a heart attack? panic attack? stroke? exploding head? “In other words . . .” it was not good for my health.
Keep up the good fight.
I have already voted for Edwards (absentee) for super Tuesday (California) and everyday I am glad I did.
Well, it has been good for fund-raising in the past, so why not the future? The “little people” don’t care, after all, right?
I like the picture of him being dragged off better. More fitting. With big dick already in the paddy wagon.
Yeah - I’d love to stay on topic. It is not clear what any of them would have been able to do to change events by being here today.
Moses never saw the promised land.
Susan B. Anthony died before women got the vote.
See….Bond just keeps on acting like he’s in the Majority…they all do it, because they’ve become emboldened by Pelosi, Reid, and Hoyer (who are traitors to the Democratic party).
I just sent Feingold’s Progressive Patriot’s Fund $50.
Need an edit button. My comment in #86 wasn’t in response to anyone. I was going to comment on Teddy’s letter from Edwards that it appears that letter encouraging action is more than the other two candidates have done, and the other two are on the payroll! I am outraged! I find it inexcusable. If Clinton and Obama can’t take the time to do the job they’re already being paid with our tax dollars to do, how can they possibly expect to convince us, their base, to give either one of them a higher office.
Really! In what capacity is bond up here, again, running the show?
Bond says: a surveillance person will have a supervisor, and that person will have someone in Justice to supervise. (Makes me feel better:not!).
That one gets printed and hung on my cubie wall.
So maybe Dubya won’t make it as President to the end of his term, either. ;-)
Sorry, and I am as political as anyone here, but they are doing what they are supposed to be doing, running for President (ditto McCain). They would not change things this afternoon in DC one bit.
Ooh, Dennis drops out of the prez race…
Shorter Kit Bond: “I wanted to advise my good friend that I will f*ck him and his family at every opportunity.”
Whitehouse: Bond is lying.
Time for someone to take off their shoe and start whacking the podium with it
Romney is a closet Democrat?
Can I just say I could never be a Senator. At least, not so long as Dick Cheney is the only one who can say “Go Fuck Yourself” on the Senate floor. Because Kit Bond deserves to be told to Fuck off.
Please tell me that Dennis’ folks will run over to Edwards camp. Please, oh please.
Actually, No. Their job is to represent the people in the states of Illinois and New York on exactly these types of issues of national import.
They are paid to be Senators, not candidates for President/
They aren’t traitors - they’re loyal vassals of the Corporate Party’s Senate Cell.
Obeying their
case officersconsultants - as ever.As - by staying away - are Sen Wal-Mart and Sen
Present$.How else would they get the megabucks required for
entranceelections?I would have liked to have heard one of Obama’s eloquent speeches in defense of the rule of law. It might even have made it to the Evening news shows. That sort of thing could tip the balance of public opinion (or, rather, bring this to the attention of more people).
I cannot forgive them for not being here.
Has anyone other than Joe Freaking Scarborough (!) ever made the point that this is, you know, the United States Congress, not al-Qaeda? That they’re reasonably high-ranking government officials and can be trusted with sensitive, even classified, information?
Our Dead Leader acts like telling Congress anything is like printing it up on leaflets and dropping them over bin Laden’s hideout. You’d think, if nothing else, simple freaking human and professional pride would prevent this.
These Republicans and Blue Dogs are actually saying with their votes, “I cannot be trusted with secrets.”
Whitehouse is very tough and capable. Saying the bill was not voted down, but he with drew it. He doesn’t seem to be liking to be bush whacked here. Situation unique in annals of American law, he is saying. Wow!!! Get a youtube up.
Only if a photo of Cheney and Bush is there.
Hear ye!