KENNEDY: Before the Bushies got here, no administration resisted FISA, let alone tried to dismantle it. They’re a bunch of terror mongering bullies.
If the argument for reforming it is that technology is changing so fast, WTF are we waiting to 2013 to sunset the new FISA bill?
Judiciary Committee bill faithful to the original FISA balance. Negotiated in public and later in time, as opposed to the Intelligence Committee bill.
BOND: The Department of Justice, a paragon of integrity, opposes the Judiciary Commitee bill, so that should be the end of that.
L..l..leader McConnell — (man he just can’t get that word "minority" out of his mouth).
Jello Jay and I agree — the telecoms need to be protected from the courts looking too far into how they’re spying because the terrorists will win.
The Judiciary bill assumes that after the next attack Congress will be in a position to act quickly (because the endless War On Terrah presumes that it’s a-comin’.)
(What’s he talking about "throwing out valuable terrorist information?" Do these assholes have some kind of contest going about who can get away with saying the stupidest thing?)
JELLO JAY: This pig’s going down, so when do we vote?
LEAHY: We’re here today because Mike McConnell fucked us.
The Bushies want us to trust them — do we really look that stupid?
(Voting on tabling the Leahy Amendment/SJC version. Start drinking folks, this one ain’t going our way…)
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‘allo?
Constitution a: “Dead man Walking”
woot!
Hi Jane.
Trouble getting realplayer to load cspan. anyone have an alternative link?
Hi, Jane!
Try this one: CSPAN2
“If the argument for reforming it is that technology is changing so fast, WTF are we waiting to 2013 to sunset the new FISA bill?”
excellent question Jane, why indeed!
Jeebus!!! New threads are coming up so fast that I got whip lash.
perfect, thanks
how in the hell did we get here? kit bond…what a name.
unfair advantage to us hyperactive, incurable multi-taskers
we’ll try to leave trail of crumbs…
is he right that some of this was negotiated in secret by the dems? what is he referring to?
McJoan at Kos has a good review of FISA things now on the plate
[Mod Note: fixed link]
here kitty kitty
Kit Bond. Sounds like a porn star, no?
Kit Carson.
Heartland rugged individualist bullshit.
kit’s prolly short for Hawgworthy or Ebenezer.
It is in keeping with the Schumer head spinning shift from FISA to the economic package so 1) he wouldn’t have to talk about his FISA copout, and 2) so he could get his friends in the NY mortgage houses off the hook by offering a bit of financial pay off. Typical Schumer.
lol. that was my first thought as well.
The phrase “Is he right,” when referring to Kit Bond, isn’t that contradictory? He’s never right, is he?
is Teddy going to filibuster with Dodd, or just talk?
any of the candidates present?
porn star, sex worker, whore. what i wouldn’t give to ask these guys a couple of questions.
We’re gonna keep this thread going while Tula is upstairs
From last thread..Selise..That is the one..Beth and Bach..
The world’s coming to a fucking end…
How did Bond get elected?
Things I love about living in Massachusetts: I get to have Teddy Kennedy represent me in the Senate. God, I love that man. His speeches on the floor are always mesmerizing.
had to pause the teevee for a phone call – still listening to Kennedy.
I’m thinking that maybe it’s a little early in the day for Teddy to get properly “worked up”. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
While Kit Bond is blathering away. And I have snoopy’s teacher’s voice soundtrack in my head, is anyone getting an answer from Harry Reid’s office? This is the moveon number given:
202-224-3121
Kit Bond is reading notes from Hillary now. /s
can’t wait till kennedy’s speech is up on the net.
I may be alone in this, but i always have better luck getting through to their home state offices.
I have to think and hope that Kennedy and Dodd are both saving their voices for the battle to come. Its not like the other Senators are listening to them anymore…they either have already
made up their mindsbeen bought, or have been talked to individually outside the chambers.he said “constitution and laws” — how does he propose doing that?
Harry Reid’s D.C office:
202-224-3542
Less robust intelligence collection…
Robust oversight
WTF?
Robust my arse
kit: “the fiss court” HUH?! I cannot follow him; no logic; sounds like my old chemistry prof who always got lost in his notes 5 min. before end of every lecture. goodgawd!
Busy signal for Harry Reid. What should I do?
Answer above: I am 99% certain Ted will stand with Dodd.
Listening to Bond and others leaves me absolutely flabbergasted that they seemingly do not understand that they are shredding the Constitution to protect this traitorous administration. Aren’t these the self same people that castigated the Soviet Union for spying, suppressing and otherwise removing civil liberties from their citizenry?
anyone else said they would stand with dodd?
Impeach Rockerfellah?
yep!
*%&#$* Rockefeller, please change your party affiliation, please please please, be honest and own up to being a neocon Republican.
Busy signal. Plus the voice on the message begins to grate in light of the situation.
Anyone finding it strange that it appears that the stimulus package announcement is being maneuvered to occur at the same time as the 2pm vote in the Senate?
phred are you on facebook?
Rockerfellah is a fucking disgrace to the Democratic Party…
I got thru this morning and had a snotty staffer hang up on me. That makes a first, from either party’s staff. Wish I’d gotten his name first.
A-bloody-men
Nope, sorry.
Strange? Not any more
Damn. Just when Leahy is on Cspan freezes.
Here, too. What’s up with that???
fine here.
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs…..8;Code=CS2
Rockefeller. What slimy viper like things in defense of big brother and telcom immunity did he say that got Leahy fired up while I was listening to Reid’s grating voice message, busy signal and now it appears his staff is hanging up on us.
blonked out here suddenly also.
he’s one of the leaders for the bilderberg group. that’s mind blowing info.
Let’s keep comments on topic for this thread please.
Thanks.
Mebbe Leahy’s to hot for the cameras. Heh! GO LEAHY!
Hmmmm. Good point. Well, not strange at all it seems. Intentional indeed.
C-span dumped me? But, I can get the audio. That might serve as a back-up for others unable to get on. Click on listen instead of watch.
Listening to Bond and others leaves me absolutely convinced they are not the Christians they profess to be. Otherwise they would understand that they will fry in Hell for violating their oaths of office.
I don’t think Leahy supports Dodd’s filibuster. Like Durbin, he talks a better game than he is willing to play.
Senate panel was nailing EPA Johnson on the “coincidence” of his denial of California’s waiver on the same day that Bush announces his “energy policy”. Just getting pounded as he danced with the excuse of leaks. Then Boxer slapped him on his snout with a rolled up copy of his own press release praising Bush and a national approach. Bad dog!
Just remember that what is happening on the Senate floor is not “real”. It’s like getting upset at a movie or TV show..The time line and outcome were worked out weeks ago.
When I keep seeing the same crap over and over, I wonder if Paul Wellstone would have stuck with the script?
yes indeed, these guys are all bought and paid for or blackmailed. pick your poison.
fwiw, I just tried re-connecting to CSpan2 video, & encountered a recorded message, “this stream is not available. please try again later.”
Dang.
What is the “exclusivity provision”?
No retro for telco.
sobriety check on senatorial diction? /s
my cspan link went out too
but got it back after going to other websites then back to cspan
I got that when I first tried Realtime. Went to Windows Media Player and it worked fine.
Great stuff over there!…… Go get em Sen. Leahy
Yep. That way he can shrug his shoulders and tell his constituents he did his best, oh well. Pfft. What a bunch of weasels.
Thats just plain sad
Isn’t about time for the vote?
no, but but it can be a window onto what is real – if we know how to interpret the script. i hope that after this is over we will dissect event carefully to see what we can learn about who to hold accountable.
thanks much. gates strikes again. pfft!
Hi folks…
Leahy is referring to Executive accountability regarding FISA…
He’s obviously advocating the Judiciary version of the FISA Admendment yet what about Executive accountability?…
WHAMO LEAHY
Leahy asked for the Yeas and Nays on his amendment, what does that mean?
Blackmail..The leadership is scared shitless that the Thugs will say “Weak on Terra.sold out the country” then “something will happen and they blew the ‘08 election.
Increasingly, I think this is true.
he said THEY HAD THE INFO…like i said
it breaks my heart.. but i think you’re right about leahy.
Use linux! :D
mebbe not imo
Yep, I’m totally through the looking glass today plugging Gates. And thinking nice things about fooking Vista. I haven’t lost my feed once and it’s flowing smoothly.
Somebody slap me!
Now they are doing the vote for the Judiciary (FISA) version?….
Motion to Table Leahy’s Amendment being voted on – now.
If he supports the filibuster I might change my opinion, but so far Leahy is all talk and no action.
Jellow Jay shows whose paying him as well as what class he supports. What a dick!
slap!
Yes, just watch how he votes on coal and all things energy.
/me slaps wangdangdoodle with a wet trout
motion to table judiciary FISA amendment vote?
does this one take only a simple majority?
What amendment did they just table?
The way I heard Leahy, if the SJC substitute is not approved, he said that they would introduce each piece of the SJC bill seriatem as a series of amendments later– which sounds a lot like Leahy’s version of a filibuster. Am I hearing or understanding that incorrectly?
Bob in HI
Note to the presiding officer – you can call Mrs. Clinton’s name all ya want – she ain’t gonna be there…
Judiciary Committee’s
we will watch him…rember when Darth told to gfh?
Judiciary FISA version…..
the SJC amendment, I think
Exactly..the point I was trying to make is that the “show we are watching on TV” is a done deal and the outcome can’t be influenced at this point in time. It’s like ground hog day, people get worked up and then the predictable outcome then people get discouraged again.
There is no Senator that will use all of the rules to stop this. If he did, he would be thrown out of the club. And being thrown out of the club is no joke.
Do they even have a quorum today? It doesn’t look like it on CSPAN.
Breaking news! Edwards ratchets up the pressure. I just got this email from Edwards:
It would have been better if he called directly for Obama and Clinton to go to Washington, but this is great, anyway.
i don’t think they care about the 08 election. the corporate candidates are lined up like the little ducks at the shooting gallery. if one of them gets knocked down, there is another one right behind to take his place. the corporate wing of both sides have taken over.
I think this is where I slip quietly back into my parliamentary-impaired mode…
So where is Clinton, anyway?….
How about Obama?….
Does filibuster come into play after the amendments are dealt with?
O
If everyone on the Intelligence Committee will support their bill, the pro-immunity forces will have 50 votes consistently.
What is the “exclusivity provision”?
It is a portion of the FISA statute that says the only permitted procedures/justification for snooping for foreign intelligence information are contained exclusively in the FISA statute. It’s an attempt to say that there are no residual “executive powers” in excess of the snooping parameters described and defined in the statute.
I understand a plane awaits many senators for a retreat in Davos Switzerland which is why my tin foil hat started glowing when I read a MSNBC story filed in Davos Switzerland saying ATT plans to start monitoring internet traffic in order to find criminals. I wonder what other perks and arm twisting awaits senators in Davos?
Thanks Betsy and tw3k, I needed that!
Anyone know where Byrd is on this? I see he is a maybe on the Dodd phone call widget. I would expect him to be all over this.
how many are present in the senate today?
Hillary’s in South Carolina – has something scheduled for 2:00 P.M., which is her last scheduled event.
i haven’t been able to figure out where Obama is…
Please, Jane, could my dream come true? That you would provide simultaneous translation/cutting to the chase for all political dialogue?
I sent my fax to Leahy, Whitehouse and Spector, because all of them have demonstrated that they know better than what they seem to be about to do, but I don’t understand their voting against their principles and their interests the way they seem to be doing. They just called Obama, was he there?
A motion to table is not debatable there for simple majority will kill the amendment.
SJC Version tabled….. it is all over. “Corpogovernment” wins!
That’s what I heard too. I don’t agree that Leahy is not a stand up Senator. He has integrity to spare, and is committed to upholding the Constitution. (He’s my Senator, BTW)
it ain’t over till it’s over. don’t forget what happened on dec 17 – i think everyone was surprised when dodd objected to the uc for requiring 60 votes to pass amendments (i think dodd even surprised himself). that certainly put a monkey wrench in the planned script. had to be withdrawn and rewritten.
ok – somebody tell me that they saw all of those Senators actually on the floor…
Does motion to table carry???
Obama’s office said he is trying to get back asap!
well it is Thursday, that’s House for weekend isn’t it?
There only needs to be a majority of senators VOTING to result in tabling. The margin for tabling will certainly be fewer than 51 votes, since a number of senators are absent.
Obama staff member told me about 2 hours ago that OBAMA is TRYING to get back to WashDC today to participate, guess he didn’t make it, huh?
DAMMMIT!
siri
Kind of like when he was on the train, passing thru Connecticut. Wanted to get, support Ned Lamont, but..but…
Who should people be calling at this time of day, for maximum effect/impact??
Called Hatch’s office and confirmed that he was supporting Bush corruption, advised that he was in violation of his oath of office to defend the Constitution, and urged that he resign because he has no business being in the US Senate.
Maybe the problem is that he DOES have BUSINESS in the Senate?!
This is a great read. Link to this sight and click mid screen on January 9,2006 A Response To The Justice Department From Law Professors ANd Former Government Officials
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/
Wish I could do a nicer job for the link.
It’s worth the read for anyone. It lays out the 4th Amend. issues and addresses the issues of Unitary Executive (inherent Presidential Authority)language and “balance of Powers” language.
Enjoy!
Another example of why you are watching a play. If an Senator who is opposed to the Bill ask for a quorum call and objected to the UC that it be suspended, it would throw real sand in the gears.
Nope.
Both the
methstimulus package andtelcomm immunitycorporate sovereignty are exactly what the corporatist party wants.And, being corporatists, they’ll tell the Congress when to show up to do it.
Reid chose not to let FISA simply expire, he chose the telco’s favorite version, he chose to ignore Dem holds, he chose to demand of the Dems a “fleshibuster” –
he chose all that because he knows Senate rules and he is working towards his chosen goal.
Gramma Nancy chooses not to zero out corporate subsidies and start from ther in obtaining food stamps/unemployment funding.
Dirty Harry and the Senate Dems caving for telcom immunity on procedural issues really do serve their constituents.
The corporatist party.
hi from RevDeb who just called for a fisa update. she’s away from all cable tv and the internet.
how did SHUMER just vote?
Someone should have told him it is a fundraiser…. he would be there like a shot.
I heard it as sort of a super filibuster; one for each separate amendment? Weren’t there like 11 amendments?
Obama and Clinton – dereliction of duty fines
There is a roll call vote currently underway on the motion to table. I think it will carry with at least 51 votes. If there are fewer than 51 votes to table, Obama and Hillary! will be in deep dudu, having to explain that their presence would not have made a difference. If enough “other” Democratic senators vote to table this, then they can be the heavies.
If Obama comes back, Hillary might follow.
IIRC, “No.”
Bob in HI
Feinstein-no
Webb- no
Good news!
I hope you are right but from what I have read, Dodd go a pass from the leadership the last go around so he could have his “issue” for the campaign. He is not getting a pass this time.
okay im lost
Byrd just voted no. Same for Webb. Same for Sanders. DieFi no! Woo-hoo!
Anyone counting the votes?
thanks
Byrd, no. Feinstein, no. Biden, no. Levin, no.
The EPA panel just concluded, so you may see a few more show up like Boxer and Whitehouse.
oh is a light beggining to show
McCaulsky-yes (wtf – must be telecoms in her area)
Bayh is really a pig. His dad will turn over in his urn
Lieberman: Aye am a traitor.
Lieberman, dink.
Inouye,and fukknozzle ..aye
There will always be at least 51 votes..Thugs+Lieberman+Bush dogs.
Liebershit
Levin no, Bayh aye, Smith aye, Mikulski aye (ugh!), Pryor aye, Stevens “It’s a series of tubes!”
Short ride, aye.
Gosh, he must have overslept.
But he’ll be very eloquent about how he tried to get there….
Sen Suited Smile [D -
Present]Mr. ShortRide Lieberman – Aye. The pig grunts.
Lieberman -Yes (of course)-traitor
DURBIN…AYE
Jeez, even more cynical than I am.
i so hope that is true. would love to be wrong.
now Durbin no
so what happens after this?
Quick! Somebody tell those guys there a fund raiser included in this FISA proceeding!…..
(Okay, maybe it could work…)
Akaka, no. Boxer, no.
Rotary phones.
Salazar aye (dammit, he’s a D!), Durbin aye (WTF???), Akaka no, Boxer no
no, Durbin NO
DiFi gets another pass. If she’s voting no, the whip is done.
Durbin changed his vote, must have been confuzzled.
Durbin no, Okaka no, Boxer no, Collins yes, Menendez no, McCaskill yes
Damn, et tu Claire?
usually vote tabulations are shown on c-span, not this vote!
NELSON SALAZAR = garbage
OK, Durbin changed, no. Menendez no, McCaskill aye, missed a nay there
Nelson, aye. sheesh
Nelson FL aye.
I take back my friendly call to your office yesterday.
I think the “pass” that Dodd got was purely because his vow to gum up the works completely would have screwed up the break for the holidays.
That is the Reid “spin” (and rather insulting to the Senator showing some cojones) to state that it was all a ploy to bolster his Presidential campaign
Webb’s staffers tell me he sent a letter to Reid (earlier in the week, I think) urging adoption of the Judiciary version. I don’t know if that made the news anywhere. They don’t have an answer on what he’ll do about the filibuster yet.
Whitehouse, no.
Nelson of Flordia, aye (or is that “swallow”?), Whitehouse no
Lincoln no
Nelson of Fla- yes, whitehouse -no, Daminet?-yes, Carper-yes, Snowe-yes
Gee, a bit of forethought about the fact that you still are being paid for a job that you’re currently supposed to be doing might help! What, he didn’t know there was an important vote at 2:00 P.M. today? A likely story!
I heard a story this morning, don’t know if it’s true, or how much truth there is to it, about how when Obama was State Senator, he accidentally pushed the wrong button resulting in an incorrect vote six times. Story was that he told that to someone as the reason for his votes on whichever bills were in question. Could it possibly be true? Between that and fudging by voting “present” or just not being there, what kind of a record could he have? That is not to say I’m judging any of this as true. Just that it would be bad if it were.
Lincoln, no.
Yeah but listen to some of these Ayes. Durbin Aye? OK no. Thanx be. McKaskill Aye. Of course Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton-Not Present.
McCaskill..yes?????
Hillary might make it – supposedly she’s finished for the day after her 2:00 P.M. gig.
Johnson damit…aye
McCaskill: Sprint HQ is in KC.
AT&T owns St. Louis and by extension McCaskill
Boxer must have just arrived from the EPA slaughterhouse
Mr. Trebek, my buzzer isn’t working!… ;-)
have any pukes voted no?
Johnson yes,Burr yes, Shelby yes, Conrad no
What about Bernie Sanders?
anyone with a running total? my screen is really little
where’s grandpa mccain?
Mr Durbin “Your mother, Trebek!”
kohl no
The notion of changing the law retroactively because corporations could not be bothered to undertake legally permissible acts does not sound very democratic to me.
Harkin, patriot.
good i can still shop there lol
Enzy?-yes, Harkin no, Cole no,
Bellsouth is/was HQ in Atlanta, so naturally Chambliss and Isakson voted Aye.
Sanders was a no
My son is home sick from school today. He recognizes the sound of voting on CSpan. Mom, what’re they voting on? (Says he’s not interested in politics but I sense he is)
the other Nelson,and Landreiux teh sukketh
Hey Harry! WWJSD?
What would Joseph Smith do?
Sanders was a no. He’s a good guy.
Nelson of Nebraska -yes, Landrieu-yes,
Sanders no.
Have I got a bridge to sell you.
how old is he?
!@#$%^&*(O)P_{+}!!!!!!!
anyone doing a tally here?
I just called KB Hutch’s office again and let the poor guy have it with both barrels. Asked him to bring her a copy of the 4th Amendment to refresh her memory, and told we don’t take these rights lightly down here.
DiFi and Herb Kohl vote no? That seals it. They know it won’t pass, but this will help their “Liberal” report card.
Kabuki Dance!
not uno?
I have Inouye, Lieberman, Pryor, Carper, McCaskill, Nelson (Fl), Nelson (NE) Johnson, Landrieu, and Byrd voting aye.
Basically, most of the Democratic Gang of 14 plus a couple.
that is very good news (that whitehouse voted no). until now, he’s been voting for immunity
You’re right…
It pretty much is the antithesis to democracy….
Why aren’t they showing a running vote total? CSPAN usually does that.
Thank – you FDL + For everyone”s help
I mean “will”
13. He’s got more political insight than he knows. Hard not to, living with a fringe element such as myself.
i should never hope OUR guys will do the right thing
Ooops scratch Byrd for the moment but I think Rockefeller also voted with the Republicans.
Byrd voted no iirc
Byrd was a no, if I heard correctly – though perhaps it was changed and I missed it.
So what does it look like, bottom line…
Not going to be tabled?….
thanks Hugh
They are running too bloody fast.
They run the real time total for the House but not for the Senate.
im nauteous
Hilary 2 pm appointment. Ohmigod. She should get her wretched arse back to the Senate long ago. A pox on all their campaigns. Landreiu-Aye? As in aye-aye Mr. Bush?
Agree..but unless someone does something like @167..then the “filibuster” is Kabuki, unless I see a deviation of what a predicted script would be.
We make fun about being in or out of the “Club” but it is no joke to the Senator or to his/her State. A Senator who deviates too much will find that all of his bills have holds, all of his amendments will be tables and projects for his State will not be included in bills.
snort! LOL!
no chit!
siri
Initial votes:
Mikulski voted aye
Feinstein voted no
Biden voted no
Levin voted no
Bayh voted aye
Inouye voted aye
Salazar voted aye
Durbin initially voted aye, then changed quickly to no
Akaka voted no
Boxer voted no
Wyden voted no
Menendez voted no
Nelson (FL) voted aye
Whitehouse voted no
Lincoln voted no
Conrad voted no
Harkin voted no
Kohl voted no
Webb voted no
Nelson (NE) voted aye
Landrieu voted aye
I thot Byrd voted no also, not sure.
oy
table motion passes.
Motion to table passes – 60 to 34.
Why, the process is perfectly democratic.
Each megacorp is free to choose to buy as many votes as they wish.
We are free to watch the vote.
What could be freer than that?
My thirteen year old is somewhat interested and he hears a ton of liberal radio when he is in the same room with me. Has your son seen either if these sites? I know about half of the writers at each blog.
Youthinkleft
Thinkyouth
Yes -60, 34-No.
60 to 34
*sighs*
Reid makes me absolutly sick
Dodd and Rockfeller will offer amendment -says Reid. Vote to be this afternoon to various amendments.
Okay, here it comes….
It has been tabled….
Amendment offered substitute Reid: offer a title I amendments….
Lord I t y p e s l o o o w.
Just moved back there from Reston, VA. If only John Warner had the integrity to realize that made it easier for him to vote no…
three cheers for Adie!
Tile 1 amendment offered by Dodd and someone else! Reid
Feingold has something up his sleeve. :)
Reid is saying people can speak as long as they want (does that mean Reid is allowing for filibuster as a quasi-filibuster
TexBetsy, thanks for those sites.
That was a free vote for Sheldon..I still have figured out what is going on with him.
somebody teh smart ,should print the Constitution on toilet paper,and send it to these asshats
Jane:
I sent you email…
Holy crap, I’m watching an Upton Sinclair novel… ;-)
*BELIEVE*
Reid’s “can speak as long as they want” is empty rhetoric. If the stack of votes on Title I amendments doesn’t start happening this afternoon, Senator Reid will limit the time for debate.
It appears Russ is about to take a giant step. Mitch McPoodle just crapped his pants
These are the aye votes from the Democratic caucus. I think I am missing one. Carper, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, McCaskill, Pryor, Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Rockefeller
that Dirty Harry will
honorrespectupholdimplement.somebody please splain this!!!
twarnt nothin’, but thankee very kindly. would-a got em all, but was getting “help” from kitty here, heh.
ROTFLMAO
Is that who they’re waiting on to come to the floor to speak? Feingold?
We just witnessed the corporate aristocracy’s usurpation of the constitution, Round 1.
Try again, I just got off the phone. I got a recording and left a message, The Rep Congress didn’t pass immunity in 2006, why should the Dem congress?
at LEAST round 4!
seems the Senate majority just beat us to it
Yeah, who next on the Senate floor?…
Please let it be Dodd….
Adie’s working with the elves again.
What’s up with Feingold? Please tell.
not sure who’s in the caucus. Mikulski voted aye. would she be the one?
I’ve got a roll with Bush’s mug on it.
I hate the idea of the Dems requiring a lockstep, but these people clearly need a collar correction.
Add Salazar. My list looks much like yours.
60-34 vote.
DEM Aye votes: Bayh, Inouye, Johnson, Landrieu, Lieberman, McCaskill, Mikulski, Nelson (FL), Nelson (NE), Pryor, Rockefeller, Salazar (more?)
please pardon me while I go off on a Landrieu rant…
Aw, hell, never mind…
Looks like Dodd coming forward?
but what was Reid talking about?
He’s has his own amendment he wants to introduce.
yes! you are correct!
Constitution…
We don’t need no stinkin’ Constitution…
Salazar was another aye, I think. That would make 11. Still a few lacking. A pity the Senate site takes so long to post roll call votes.
Did I hear that correctly? McConnell objected to Feingold having the floor?
I wondered that to. Let’s email them and find out.
She has become a Bush Dog. Out of the 100 Senators there are about 35 Democrats. That is the reality.
Do you mean Stretch Mitch McPoodle?
jeebus
For all you Kabuki theorists, the Repugs didn’t call for 60 votes on the motion to table, but just how many did they get again?
yes
Hey – I ‘ll be able to tell the grand-nephews I recall before Jan 24 was a National Holiday.
Corporate Sovereignty Day.
Of course, with the megacorps exempt from enviro laws, my grand-nephews will be mutants born onto a wasted planet…
what’s with the classical music?
Those were the LBJ days..The rules have been change since then, so lockstep is no longer possible. Unless you belong to the Thug Party, that is.
he looks more like a Peekapoo to me….and now we have BACH how quaint
34-60
damn. another reality check.
not what i was hoping. but thanks.
C-Span crawl – Senate may consider a 30 day extension…
This is what I call a pregnant pause…
This better be good…
uh oh. Music. Nothing to see here, folks.
Nothing like a little Baroque to highlight how broken the Senate is.
aw shoot. u knew she would.
HEY JSBach’s Brandenburg#3 WOO HOO! *dancing around the room*
upbeat music on CSpan now. Bach? Which we had music people on board to do the music background play-by-play, but maybe someone at CSpan has a sense of humor.
Salizar is my senator and HE SUX ROYALLLLY!!!! We BADLY need new dems in Colorado! He’s a total moron and real up for reich wing nuttery!
He knows ME too, i’ve railed on him MUCH MORE THAN ONCE, his staffers cringe when they see my name on the caller ID.
HE NEEDS TO GOOOOOOOO!
siri
Ah… the Brandenburg concerto… better than listening to Hatch or Bond, I suppose.
Well, the Brandenburg Concerto should bode well, should it not?
Something baroque as a counterpoint to the country going down in flames.
music to shred your Constitution by…..
DANCE DAMMIT!
yes it the OLIGARCHS fave….when the go to the parlors at court
A “Motion to Table” is not debatable, by Senate Rules, and therefor needs on a simple majority to pass.
McConnell objected to Feingold setting aside the pending amendment, to make room for offering one of his. Feingold’s move didn’t fit with Senator Reid’s intention for procedure (timing mostly), so McConnell’s objection wasn’t necessary.
It’ll be interesting if Republicans object to taking up amendments. That sets up time delays from a different angle, an angle that is tougher for Reid to manage in that Reid wants Feingold and other amendments to come to the floor and be rejected fair and square. If the GOP objects to the amendments even getting to the floor, Reid won’t want to file a cloture motion to advance the bill — assuming Dodd, Feingold or somebody else is putting the brakes on.
CSPAN’s always with the classical music during votes
hi TexB
whiney reid in the wind, he needs to be put out of our misery tooooo!
siri
the? there are 6. ;->
Here we go WV Sen. Rockerfeller….
I’d rather hear the Nuremburg Concerto.
heheheh counterpoint. Bad musical pun joke!
Rockefeller and Bond have amendment
There’s that B-word again.
wtf??????////
LMAO
Jello Jay says the magic word “bi-partisan” – code for “we’re *both* gonna assf*ck ya!”
*BELIEVE*
what’s he want? wants to spy on Americans NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE IN THE UNIVERSE?!?
siri
how quaint probable cause
WTF – to protect Americans outside America? And, what about those of us inside America? Here Rockefeller cites Reagan
I’d definately dance to that.
With that pathetic vote count in favor of Dodd and Feingold, Obama and Clinton could have showed up and voted No, look like they were making a stand for the constitution and the rule of law, and noone would be the wiser. You know, old HoJoe’s favorite game: shell voting. So what kept them from showing up? I mean really? Any theories?
So McConnell can just object and Russ doesn’t get to present his amendment?
Appropriate, as Berlin is there.
they are batshitt
from steve’s crc reference on the motion to table (my typing):
Dial-up here….but I’m assuming Barber’s Adagio For Strings.
Has C-Span cut away to the feed from the locked case around the Constitution?
How will the National Archives build a cassion secure enough for the procession to the Rotunda?
We honor none, save the horizontal one….
to all u music critics w/o portfolio:
Baroque. Music. Is. Not. Stuffy. GOT IT?!?!
Some rather normal folks ADORE the stuff. GOT A PROBLEM WID DAT?!?!
He was not on the corporate agenda today.
oh, the court is too busy! no wonder!
Fisa court soooo busy evedropping on dems
So McConnell can just object and Russ doesn’t get to present his amendment?
Yep. Or at least he’s prevented from presenting it at that moment in time. Every senator has this power, not just McConnell and Reid.
Rockefeller’s amendment seems, to me, to “give more privacy rights” to Americans outside of the country, than pertain to Americans inside the country. (scare quotes, because I think privacy rights exist outside of statutory enactment)
lol
Thanks for the clarification on that. It is still disturbing to see the magic number of 60 come up on the first vote.
I think we should all write Reid and tell him that his parliamentary maneuvring means squat in the eyes of progressives. The blame lays on him and sticks.
so
we would be better off to leave the country to make phone calls?
siri
Please be sure to enunciate properly so there are no misunderstanding regarding your intent to our FISA friends….
a rouse…. the appearance of concern for American’s constitutional rights overseas while they have already committed the crime and shredded the constitution here at home. Sickening!!!!
I think Reid also voted AYE. If I heard correctly, he entered a motion to reconsider the vote, and he needed to be on the prevailing side in order to do that.
Yea, I gotta theory, they are fucking weasel shit punks.
lol. guess we’ve both been reading beth’s crc report.
i seriously suggest we get these guys
http://www.scientificblogging……%20spy.bmp
Hatch, McConnell, that soaring-eagle fella. Now THAT’s the stuff of stuffiness.
i LOVE the music, i am sorry it’s MUSIC TO SHRED THE CONTSTITUTION TO!, but LOVES the Baroque!
s
yes. also to do your banking.
correct!
It appears to me that these debates do nothing to sway the opinion or vote of the other side. They might as well just ask for a vote in favor of Bush/Cheney or against.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
thank goodness for you guys
Even though Jello Jay is up there trying to allay some of the concerns who might vote against the bill, trying to cut the legs out from under the oppopsition, it’s a *good* sign that he and Bond are having to do this at all. Remember, he was pretty sure they’d get what they want, and I thought he was the one who called for the 2 pm vote. This may be a sign that things aren’t going according entirely according to plan for them, too.
*BELIEVE!*
!!!!!!! Nelson?!
Thanks for the help..I think it is good for us to be dealing with reality rather than “magical” thinking. I was a science major so a lot of this Govt stuff I may not have right.
Yo, Leahy, yeah, you DO look that stupid. Moreover, you ACT that stupidly. Just go ahead and give Bush what he wants. You know you will eventually. This is all theater. All bullshit. The Democrats have become Republicans and the Republicans have become Nazis. And we, the people, have become the Poles. Prisoners in our own country. All hail congress, lovers of death.
beholding to corporate interests…….. Jefferson would be proud!!!
yep Tex, LOVE to read by it! am reading The Prize now, fits perfect with Baroque.
s
Shit coming out their mouths -like bats, hanging upside down and shitting that way.
Well, I’m not sure how many more times I can write him and call him “Oathbreaker” for abrogating his sworn oath to the Constitution. He obviously pays no attention.
lol. me too.
Hey—–New Thread—More FISA Fun upstairs—–
Aloha—-
The repugs can make cosmetic concessions all they like, since the pressure for the Dems to fold will come in the guise of passing the economic package. Reid can force the Senate to conclude the FISA business, laying the pressure on Dodd’s allies.
Kirk Murphy. Corporate sovereignty day. Some of us are trying to be “brave.” Are you trying to make us cry?
Oh goodie, Rockefeller is making addition after consulting with the Justice dept and intelligence officers. I feel so much better now!
Yes. I feel really used on that one. I called yesterday and told his office how proud I was to live in Florida when I saw him on the Senate floor in December supporting Dodd’s efforts.
This state is so screwed. Did you read Crist’s propaganda piece on the property tax referendum this morning? The Gainesville Sun editorial page writer took it apart bit by bit and exposed the lies.
Too bad they do not sleep upright, and choke on their own shit!!!
The way the economy is going we’re all gonna be Baroque!
Thanks siri. We are in complete agreement on this. it’s an abomination, what they’re doing on the floor of the Senate these days.
I’d bet Brian Lamb has a lot to do with choosing the music. It is usually very descriptive of the tenor of actions on the floor, often not complimentary at all, in the gut-level feeling it brings. This choice today was a bit to perky for events, but still helped cheer this aging musician.
easy
Amen. The Constitution is baroque.
There is a new FISA Part V thread up after Tula’s post.
I bet there’s got to be a diplomatic way you could write them and tell them so. I usually use something like, I am an ordinary American (true) and I don’t understand why you would choose lots of campaign goodies over protecting the rights of ordinary Americans and the rule of law and the Constitution (very true). Is it because all your talk of “change” and all that stuff is empty, and we Americans should grow up and realize that you’re all selling us a swamp in Florida?
To what extend is AIP*C backing this FISA fraud?
How PC…. Done it all, nice way polite ways, creative way, respectful ways, sarcastic ways! I wonder how Jefferson or Adams or Madison would react to this crap… Do you think they would be silent watching their work decimated by “corporate cohorts” in constitutional usurpation under the color of bad law?
I saw thw headline of the article and didn’t read it. Checked out the latest on Rudy’s free-fall.
But I was pleasantly surprised back in Dcember. What happun between then and now? I dunno. Could be more games to play and he might wind up on the rght side. Doubt it but I’d like to be hopeful. No reason to be right now, though.