UPDATE: -- According to Howard Wolfson of the Clinton Campaign, Hillary Clinton will not be taking the 1 1/2 hour trip from South Carolina to Washington DC to join the Dodd filibuster -- jh
FEINSTEIN: Terrorist surveillance program operated for four years and two months with no court review or approval outside the FISA requirements. The US has had a rather sordid history of using foreign surveillance for domestic purposes -- taking about the Church Comm. Report. Going through history of breaches of Bush Administration and disrespect for the rule of law-- signing statements, unitary executive assertions, and Art. II authority assertions against the Constitution. FISA court should have oversight -- minimization strictures should be applied in accordance with law. Want to add in exclusivity language that was part of SJC bill -- in agreement with SJC and Intel committees on this.
Domestic criminal wiretapping and surveillance must be done via warrant and other requirements by law. Must have either court order or a statutory authorization. (Amendment #3857.) Kyl objects.
REID: Talking about Veep statement yesterday at Heritage Foundation and Presidential statement today. They were both saying "Congress must act quickly," so why the GOP stall tactics on the amendments? We're trying to act in the interests of national security, but we want to do so within the confines of the law and the constitution. The American people expect us to do this. We have tried to move forward on this legislation -- but the GOP keeps stalling. Whassup? [CHS notes: Paraphrasing there...Long, rambly blahbity blah about the GOP not acting in good faith and blocking germaine amendments. The only thing I can say to this is "well, duh! Which is why we wanted the SJC bill to be the base bill in the first place." I need a drink.]
Asking unanimous consent to extend this for 30 days. Unless cloture is invoked, this is not going to be finished until Feb. 1st, Reid says, rather than pass a bad bill. Says McConnell is going to file cloture when he finishes -- 30 hours would begin running, but vote will not be until Monday no later than 1:00 pm ET. If cloture is not invoked, unless Bush agrees to some extension time, then the program will fail. Cannot in good conscience support this legislation without improvements on very basic amendments.
Reid now brings up the House RESTORE bill. McConnell objects, and is posturing on the floor saying that the only bill the President will sign is the one that rubber stamps his illegal actions. [CHS notes: Well, that's cozy of him. And not predictable at all.] McConnell using the "bipartisan" language threat to push fence sitters in the Democratic party toward the GOP position.
McConnell now files cloture signed by 17 GOP members. Quorum call shortly thereafter.
Agreement for cloture vote on 4:30 pm ET on Monday (or maybe Tuesday -- some confusion on that). Consent requested. Quorum call again.
Just confirmed that the vote will, indeed, be Monday. CANTWELL talking about stimulus measures on economy currently.
REID now asking that vote occur on Monday, Jan. 28th at 4:30 pm ET, that the requirements on 30-hours be waived, and various procedural requirements to make that work under Senate rules.
[CHS notes: In case anyone is wondering, this is a very good time to phone, e-mail, FAX and otherwise get the attention of your Senators to let them know that the Intel bill is unacceptable -- to vote no on cloture.]
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Christy!
Evening Pups!
Difi is sounding good, but, I’ll reserve judgment…
Christy! 2
Honesty and the rule of law are kryptonite to Republics.
Di Fi (D- Pac Bell)
She has had a way of sounding right and voting wrong.
Free the Gnome 135,000!
DiFi offers language making FISA Courts the “exclusive” arbiter of wire-tapping.
That one could provoke a veto… (or a signing statement, *s*)
Yup. She does. Consistently.
Rosalind wrote in the previous thread:
“National Treasure 3: Nic Cage steals a cache of Presidental signing statements hidden in a hollowed out Texas Ranger baseball bat hanging in the Lincoln Bedroom leading him to the bowels of Dick Cheney.”
I stopped reading after that.
Yeah, and then I think back to the Clinton impeachment when “honesty” and “Rule Of Law” was just about all you ever heard from them.
Gnome de Plume thanks you.
From Carolyn U, EPU’d from the last thread:
Whee!!! I’m in…
She does just enough to bluff her CA constituents.
DiFi is sounding good and saying all the right things but like Harry Reid, will she turn and run when the Repugs say, “Poof”?
I’m VERY Sad to hear Kucinich has dropped out. Is it now a three candidate race…or is Gravel still around being ignored? Now I have to make some hard decisions. But two absentee Senators may make the decision a bit easier.
Yes, but they were just empty words used to try to ‘get’ Clinton.
Ain’t that the truth! The screeching still echoes in my head.
“Honesty” and “Rule of Law”? That’s so pre-9/11.
(Raising arms, palms facing inward) “Stella!, Stella!
Oh, fuck… she said “bipartisan”…
He’s been renditioned by the Bush administration; first ya gotta find him!
They aren’t bluffed. Just really pissed. The Repugs love her. How many more years of Di do we have? Too many.
Reid is talking about the Cheney threat…
Tell me Harry fucking Reid is not quoting Mr. 25% JAR on the importance of passing this bill.
Wow - secret court not subordinate to the Supremes on FISA law?
Hmm - wonder who DiFi intends to have selecting the
Star ChamberFISA judges?They’re all for the Rule Of Law, unless it applies to them.
WTF is Reid doing sabotaging the first good thing DiFi has done is ages?
Difi reminds me of me: “Don’t you kids ever, EVER do that again! This is the last time I’m going to say it. Honestly, the last time!”
STFU Harry
Why didn’t you honor the hold?
Jeez, this ludicrous!
Is Reid pulling the plug???
We gotta hurry! They’re forcing him to listen to hours and hours of CSPAN recordings of Kit Bond and Orrin Hatch. He’s gonna crack at any moment…
Yeah, Jane. Unfortunately he is. I think they have his marionette strings well hidden via chromakey.
He actually made our evening news last night, with his speech introducing Articles of Impeachment on Bush. He looked and sounded great. It was the first time I had seen any Press time for Kucinich. I think he has a Primary fight to focus on now.
Harry’s still under the impression that there are 51 Democrats in the Senate.
“Senator Reid, please pick up the white courtesy phone - it’s a Senator Lieberman for you.”
Nail on the head!
Reid………
Reid is a traitor…..
I’m just tuned in….. no Hillary? no Obama? No shows?
Harry… honor the hold. Simple as that.
Don’t think he could sneak that one through with a signing statement. And if he vetos it then it eliminates this revised PAA and returns to the original FISA law. If he did it, the first thing I’d do as a Senator would be to offer a limited Amendment to the FISA law dealing with the issue of transnational message transfer to resolve the complaint made by the one FISA Justice.
Is there any way we can get the message to Reid that we are in the fu**ing MAJORITY!
Shoot, what’s going on? My CSpan is frozen again!
He is getting heat at home.
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So deadeye decided to up the ante on “Fuck You?”
Hope the Sgt-atArms searched Darth before letting him on the Senate Floor.
What’s the problem? Are you a strict constructionist or something?
I thought it only froze when Dems were talking.
;)
Things electronic???
“Things electronic”
Harry Reid is a poet.
Why is Hairy Asshat acting so surprised that the repubs are shooting down what he thinks are “good” amendments? Is he really this clueless?
I contacted Obamas and Clintons campaign offices. Obama staffer said that Obama was campaigning is S. Carolina today and that he supports Sen. Dodds filibuster. (I was a obama supporter and made donations.) I told the staffer we we are not electing a supporter but a president and he needed to show leadership with the office he holds now. She bubububutted me. I told her no buts and that obama lost my vote and may I please have my donations back. Clintons staffer told me to call her Sen. Office
I’m not sure, but Reid is complaining about how the Republicans are objecting to every amendment.
cboldt or selise (or anyone else) can Reid pull the legislation, if he chooses to do so?
LMAO.
Excellent! Kudos!
Try here
Harry is wearing the yellow tie
c-span servers can’t handle added internet traffic because cable channel deletion?
Al Gore is a Tease!
With all that’s going on today, the news still has to stop to remind us of who our candidates should really be. It wasn’t bad enough that he won another award just the other day for waking the world up to the dangers they stand to face from global warming. Al has come out in favor of gay marriage. Today!
CNN says, reversing his previous position, and contrary to all the Democratic candidates for President, some of whom are in favor of civil unions but not gay marriage, Gore has come out in favor of gay marriage.
Why does this man tease us like that? Why?
Yes.
This is another case of simple answers for simple questions.
With only 35 Democrats in the Senate, it was game over when this crap got out of committee.
Sweet Heavenly Savior on toast points — does Reid always whine like this??? And his title is Senate Majority Leader? Cripes….
Constituent service: for the Corporatist Party.
thanks. I got it back.
Reid will vote against cloture
I have an idea, if you want to run for president you must resign from congress or any government post. Or, you must be in congress for 90% of all votes.
Reid: “The republicans are for failure?…” He’s just now figuring this out now? Jeebus.
Someone is challenging him in his Primary? Someone should put Dennis up on the Blue America list right away.
Reid is setting things up to go forward with a filibuster. I think this is good because lots of Dems will be on board (DiFi? and others?)
Joseph Heller
Harry Reid is an American Literature professor.
Can’t reid just take the bloody Bill off the floor then bring up the Judiciary Bill?
I don’t care what anybody says, that’s torture.
Reid will vote against cloture
Yeah. I heard that. It made my ears perk up. What cloture? No cloture motion has been filed yet. Reid just telegraphed that somebody is going to be filing a cloture motion, I assume soon, and I assume on the underlying bill as a whole.
Or if you were George McGovern and flew successful missions against all odds and survived, the republicans called you a peacenik pussy.
Reid’s whine… they won’t let us play… wah!!!
Harry’s taking his ball and going home…
Give ‘em hell, Harry!
I think that’s what he’s trying to set up.
holy fucking cow!!! - it’s really happening. the republicans are objecting to the amendments! make ‘em filibuster harry! don’t can’t to a cloture vote yet.
if i have it right, this is the moment when the rubber hits the road and we find out who stands where. will reid make them filibuster?
The Judiciary bill was shot down already, and yes he can pull the bill, now a temporary 30 day extension… WTF?
He’s threatening to vote against cloture unless the amendments are put up for a vote, or the current law is extended for 30 days.
Which, of course, Dirty Harry knew when he chose not to simply let the old bill expire.
Dodd is not going to go down without a fight……….
Yes, he does. Even in person. That’s what Searchlight , Nevada produces.
He’s trying to get an extension. This bill will not pass. HuzzaH!
Then again, maybe he is just trying to save face by saying the Rethugs are not fair, they won’t let us add amendments.
Go Harry Go! Woo-hoo!
*BELIEVE!!!*
McConnell will be filing the cloture motion. Under regular order, the cloture vote is on Monday.
my eyes are starting to glaze and i’m gettng punchy - when i look at reid all i see is dana carvey doing reid.
McConnell Reid’s friend is going to file cloture
I was just asking myself the same question. I guess he could pull the bill but that would only delay the ultimate outcome.
Cloture vote won’t happen until Monday morning if it is filed.
how can a cloture motion be in order before the amendments are disposed of?
City Councilman Joe Cimperman…is that pronounced Chimp-er-man? Or is it Simper-man? Anyone know if Dennis can use his Presidential funds in his Congressional race? If not I’ll wait until he can get his Congressional site up and running.
Who is that to Harry’s right, with the face like a fist?
Reid will not vote for bill if telecom immunity is addressed?
Was that the Bill? I thought it was an amendment to the pending Intelligence Bill? The Judiciary Bill is a separate deal?
What if we were to start a movement to get anyone who uses AT&T or Verizon to switch carriers?
“It’s not fair…” God. He sounds like a little girl.
When will the Democrats stand up and say they have no obligation to pass any bill?
“I in good conscience cannot support this legislation” - YES!
Look, Jello Jay was sure they’d get what they wanted today, and if they even have to wait until next week, we’ve done better than we thought in the gloom of the morning. It’s not voted yet, but every day with no immunity is a good day.
Go Harry!
*BELIEVE!!!*
LOLMcConnell: DO NOT WANT!
He actually has four challengers for a March 8th Primary. From the article: “Kucinich, 61, is facing four challengers in the Democratic congressional primary March 4, and earlier this week he made an urgent appeal on his Web site for funds for his re-election. Rival Joe Cimperman has been critical of Kucinich for focusing too much time outside of his district while campaigning for president”.
The act blue is a good idea. I know I will try to chip in a little next week when I get paid.
Consent to pass the house bill
Great idea..This idea of keeping the “day job” as back up is a joke. If they really want to be president they should be willing to go “all in”.
Harry’s trying to ramrod the House Bill now! Miss McConnell objects…
house bill is being brought up by reid!
I am not confused, McConnell! You are an obstructionist.
Huzzah!! AND must have served in the U.S. military for, oh, longer than it takes to escape having to serve.
McConnell is now chucking his toys out of the pram.
He will not vote for bill if telecom immunity is “not” addressed?
Who cares is the lying DNI pleads? No, really, who fucking care? Bond-Rockefeller Compromise…POS.
Who is the we? Progressives? Or Blue Dogs? Both?
Who he?
Why don’t each and every Democrat get up there an use the words “Republican Obstructionism”.
C’mon! Frame the debate!
Not smart, that means we would be down 2 Demo senators. The Rethugs would be down 1. Lets be smart.
McConnell: Chimpy won’t sign any other bill, so obey your leader and pass the damn thing. Giving the GOP all it wants is the bipartisan thing to do.
It was two separate bills, the Intel bill provided immunity and the SJC bill did not, similarly, the House bill does not contain Immunity, and Reid just tried to pass it…
Miss McConnell - “It’s not either our fault!
HR - “Yes it is”
MM - No it isn’t”
Now that’s a filibuster!
If I hear the phrase “we know the president will sign” one more time, my laptop my go hurling down a staircase.
Try 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Reid
this is bullshit. why isn’t anyone filing cloture motions on the amendme