zed?

Congrats! I like what Cardin is saying so far!

Everyone knows that hobnobing with the financial & political elite abroad is soooo much more important than following the rule of law at home.

I wish one could forget, but what with them crushing the world and all it sorta put a crick in my neck.

Yes! The Judiciary’s Leahy Amendment!

Harry Reid is a non-starter. So is Nancy Pelosi. They always will be. This apparently is the path that each of these “leaders” have chosen.

Thanks for the heads up on Edwards being on Olbermann tonight. ;0)

Just say no!! to unanimous consents. Have quorum calls..make them show up.

Dodd is doing the very heavy lifting on FISA. Perhaps you might consider sending an email expressing happiness with his efforts? Thanks. ;0)

Just a fly by but now I am corn fused.

Republicans Sustain Bush’s S-CHIP Veto
C&L

Olbermann is on in my area in one hr. and 15 minutes? Same with everyone or do some of you get the show in 15 minutes?

DOH!! No shit Sherlock, watch the acronyms dummy.

Procedurally, what is pending is a Leahy substitute amendment – which is the version as passed by Judiciary. The pending substitute amendment does not include the telecom amnesty, and it has other features that the administration will certainly object to.

Before cheering this development (the bill is in a different procedural posture than it was in last December, when the Intelligence Committee bill was pending, and the immunity would have to be stripped out), Senator Reid has suggested that the substitute amendment be disposed of by a motion to table.

A motion to table is a parliamentary “nuclear option.” It is NOT debatable, so there is no way to empower objection to voting on a motion to table. Because a motion to table is not debatable, there is no lay for the cloture process. A motion to table carries with a simple majority vote.

Under a threat of a motion to table, the only device I know of to burn time is to hold the floor so no other senator can make the motion to table.

Has anyone mentioned Kennedy or Sanders position?

Hi Ann, KO is on at 5:00 PST for me (hour and ten minutes). I left you a little note downstairs, too. :)

We are in Oklahoma. And we see Mr. Olbermann in just a bit over an hour. ;0)

Quid pro quo viza vi 2 trillion dollars etc yada yada et al.

WOO WO – thanks for the Edwards KO update.

I wish Edwards was in the Senate to see what he would do. He still has his words.

I worry that Dodd or Clinton or Obama can hold together on this, also that Dodd not going to Davos could be quite a shift. Oh the fun they are all going to have. I pick that both of them duck out of town or do not even show. If they do and the new majority does not go to Davos…well that is not going to happen. Dodd is also from a banking state and chair of some good stuff.

To bad the Dem presidential front runners have nothing to say new on fixing this stuff other than short term consumer tax rebates, and have no articulated plans/vision for what sort of things they will do and change the way the system works. If they skip of for wine and cheese and more of the same that is going to be a problem – especially with barely passable answers on Presidential powers and Presidential records. Davos is like damn they are all going to go and make up lies and everyone knows it. Well good like with making history if you can do it. Good luck with thinking past Bush – I mean the Dems don’t even commit to things because they claim – who the hell knows what will be happening in 1 year do to Bush – but do nothing to try and check him or impeach.

Somehow I doubt they are holding out a super duper secret plan to not get the Bush criminals until after he is out of office to avoid any pardons they can – and then they are going to dig up the Constition and tack it back on the wall (at least dust it off a bit for God sake).

I know there are important trips people want to take. We have the very important economic conference in Davos that Democrats and Republicans alike would like to go to.

Harry: “Let’s see… Constitution? Trip to Switzerland? Constitution? – Trip to…”

Fuck it – We’re all going to Switzerland – Shecky, get the jet!!!”

In an 1Hr and 10 mins here in the Isles… ;-)

8pm ET

Well, well, who controls the schedule? Who put this on the docket to appear before the junket to Switzerland?

Reid is right up there on my list next to Hojo now. Dead heat.

Dodd is up next evidently.

In this house John Edwards ‘pulls our string’.

Sherrod is preaching the truth, tho…! ;-)

If only we could get Switzerland to keep them all permanently.

Dodd is up? Where?

Yes.

maybe Reid will join HoJo’s party. He’s not doing anything for his current party except taking up space.

Sorry, I see, Jane. Boink!

C-Span 2

Actual it seems maybe Davos is going to tell everyone that the recession is here and rock out some major economic problems.

Sherrod Brown is doing the job.

CSPAN 2.

Simple solution to all of this is that they allow retroactive immunity to be stripped from the FISA bill, give their own base, us, whatever we want, and finish the bill to our satisfaction. That will get them all out in time, no problem. They needn’t point fingers, but they should know that if they do, I will point back.

http://business.timesonline.co…..239801.ece

A full-blown, prolonged recession in America is now inescapable, with the rest of the world set to be dragged into a severe global slowdown despite yesterday’s emergency US interest rate cut by the Federal Reserve, leading economists said in Davos this morning.

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Seems like maybe lots of the money has been sucked up and they are going into a cycle of an endgame. Shake some funds up and down and make the losers cash out on margin amoung other things.

Aargh! All these piddly resolutions…! ;-)

The shock of it – the suprise of a 3/4 rate cut rather than a 1/2 rate cut was just not enough to save the economy.

Hell thats inflation for one day sometimes.

Ooh, Dodd time…!

It’s the Bush Legacy on display for the world.

I think Senator Dodd is almost here.

Sometime, I presume… ;-)

From same Davos article above:
“
They said that the Fed appeared to have given stock markets an unjustified bailout this week.

Others, including John Snow, Mr Summers’s Republican successor, defended the Fed’s strategy, however, and applauded yesterday’s aggressive rate move.

The ominous assessments of the likely economic fate of the United States this year were led by Nouriel Roubini, the influential economic consultant.

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RGE Blog “Nouriel Roubini” is usually open, but has a site-wide access until Jan 31 for free. This would be reading up on a big Bear.

Even bigger of a bear of course Chalmers Johnson:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos…..nk_america

Testing… One, two…

Don’t you just love the way Obama and HRC are taking strong stands on important issues, as are Dodd, Sherrod Brown and John Edwards?

Woot Woot!
Lou Dobbs saying Bush has the answer its “Free Trade” and the little liar is trying to take the term “Fair Trade”!

I want that term back liar!

Aside: Colbert interviewing Lou Dobbs en Espanol was classic.

How many Hillary’s and Obama’s does it take to screw in a light bulb?

And those Obama and HRC stands would be…….?

Bush was trying to steal the term. But you know he is going to keep saying Free Trade.

go easy on your voice tonight, Sen. Dodd! Sounds like tomorrow’s the big day…

Free trade? We are set to be sued by Brazil for three billion dollars for exceeding our quota-production of cotton seed oil.

Dodd up

Zero. Edwards will screw in the light bulb, while Hill and Obama fight about it.

Estevan Colberto es mui macho y stupendo!

Wow, only one candidate put it together that econ was ailing due to all the things we are doing – well actually 3 now that I think of it.

Edwards even has plans for the long term solution.

Now which candidate is going to get the consumer stimulus package out with their name on it? Clinton, Obama, McCain, combos of more than one obviously. Heard Barney Frank on the House. I will say this the Clinton and Obama plan sure as hell aint cutting the Corporate Tax rate like from 35 to 25% – hell these are the ones that have be loosing money and stealing it hand over foot.

When I called Sen Rieds office. The staffer said he supports Sen Dodd in his filibuster and doesn’t want Tele-com immunity. I laughed and asked why did it get to this point then. Staffer told me there was a vote before Christmas. I asked why the Senator Ried allow that vote to come to the floor or why Ried let thi bill just sunset or why he forces Senator Dodd filibuster and not republicans. The staffer said and I quote, “Senator Ried does not support tele-com immunity.” I said that does not answer my question. (crickets) I gave him another chance. No answer. I then told the staffer maybe its time for the Senator to step down and let some real leadership in like Seator Dodd. I thanked him. Recieved no reply and hung up.

I wish someone would ask George H.W. Bush if he still thinks it was worthwhile pulling all those strings to get little boots that MBA.

Thanks for the info Jane, and this has been DUGG

Hey, maybe they will arrest Alan Greenspan. Nope, Ried is just making fun of him for going to cocktail parties.

Damn I saw the commite ask them why they did not enforce regulation in the lending. THEY STOLE IT ALL!

They must know they are going to get booted (Reid and Pelosi). So many people vying for their power – if Clinton does not get the Prez again I say she should try to get the Senate leadership position.

Lou Dobbs just said they are saving a spot in hell for these people.

I would actually prefer her to do that rather than continuing to breath life into the Clinton Hate Machine. There’s so much work to do without that distraction dominating the news for years again.

Hey here is a movie pitch – its two disfunctional fighters with lots of power trying to kill eachother so they can grow up to be President.

Do you think Prez Idiot is watching Dodd tonight? I kinda don’t think so. But Karl Rove and Veep Dick might be.

I also want Edwards to be President, or maybe DK; but Edwards would be a scary enough chance.

I don’t want to roll the dice that we would get TLC over DLC.

Do you think Prez Idiot is watching Dodd tonight? I kinda don’t think so. But Karl Rove and Veep Dick might be.

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Likely watching Mr. Ed re-runs and scratchin’ himself.

I love the way Dodd always says “here”. As in, I’m not in favor of this immuninty, here. Guess it’s east coast.

Hope he slows down or he’s going to run out of steam quickly. Who’s helping him out tonight?

Dodd apparently reads Hugh’s list.

Go, Dodd, Go…! 8-) Now Impeach!!!

Senator Dodd is doing the work.

Which people?

Dodd is making his case nicely. throwing in more episodes of malfeasance for good measure.
‘We have a pattern of misbehavior”.

Hey Mexico must want something since he is playing puppy dog with rounding up a bunch of assasins and drug lords on the border. This is Lou Dobbs though, so I better tune in Dodd.

Crony Homeland Security (Kjerkoff) is out there. Next up is some bird flu announcment.

Nancy and Harry.. take the entire concept of extension off the table please.

Wonder what Senator Lieberman is doing, planning and ‘thinking’ at this moment, as Dodd is speaking truth?

Dodd might very well be ready for Hugh’s list tomorrow..)

Which people?

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Sorry, from comments above. He is talking about the people that set up the real estate pyramid scheme that is destroying many weak parts of our economy. Also the governement people that covered it up.

He is wondering out loud why he has green belly button lint when he only wears blue suits.

Mr. Dodd is putting Pelosi and Reid to shame.

After the profit taking on Wall Street the slide will resume a pace. Too many financial institutions are now effectively broke and the piper is calling.

Mr. Dodd is putting Pelosi and Reid to shame.
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Their own actions are doing that as well.

Hey Mexico must want something since he is playing puppy dog with rounding up a bunch of assasins and drug lords on the border. This is Lou Dobbs though, so I better tune in Dodd.

Crony Homeland Security (Kjerkoff) is out there. Next up is some bird flu announcment.

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By this I mean they must want something at DAVOS since they are trumping up these nice arrests right now. I hate gangs so I am glad to get illegal gangs off making money and killing people. But they love to time these things no doubt. Next up who gets attacked for not supporting the fence enought. The bust included 11 assasins, gas masks, assault rifles, RPG’s, etc.

Lahoma is telling me that she likes what Senator Dodd is saying. ;0)

Jeepers, sorry for the dumb question…why can’t we wait until 2009 to update FISA if they’re not using it anyway?

Good gawd. Thank the Lord for Dodd.

Dodd is standing firm. Looks like an empty senate chamber – are there going to be quorum calls – might he get to sleep tonight?

He needs to pace himself… I might be a looong day tomorrow…! ;-)

im in love with Mr. Dodd

Wow, so well put in so few words.

“Trust me” are two words that change a country under rule of law to rule of men. words to that effect.

Tomorrow, I am sending roses to Dodd’s Senate office.

Dodd quotes Madison. And it’s wonderful.

I love Mr. Dodd too, it’s a love fest.

He’s rocking on the Rule of Law.

Good idea. Coffee and roses. *g*

Good on him for following through.

You know I’m just a brain in a box, but over the holidays I thought about other avenues I could take to counter the telco lobbyists pushing for retroactive immunity. I wondered:

* How much is retroactive immunity worth to the telcos?
* How much do they think it would cost them if they DIDN’T get it?
* How much are they spending to get it? Who is getting the money?

I did some research and found out the names of a handful of financial analysts and market analysts that the media call when they want to get a quote about telcos. These analysts might not be the best, but they are the ones that the media call so their word might have a bigger impact in the minds of the media.

It might be interesting to contact them and ask them:

1. What would it cost the companies if they lost this retroactive immunity fight?
2. Is the loss of this fight factored into any financial models?
3. Do they know about the efforts being made to battle immunity in the blogs?
4. Are the bloggers who can mobilize a group of people even part of the equation or are they discounted in favor of “real people.” aka lobbyists?

I’ve found that when your actions impact the money making ability of a corporation the corporation responds. Our actions might cost the telcos money. This act can be identified by the media and it can move the story into a new angle. An angle that doesn’t have to be about republican and democrat but about losing money or making money. People going to jail or staying out of jail.

Pointing out that it’s not just about the principles but the money is something that might get “real people” to understand the lengths that the telcos will go to get the retroactive immunity.

It looks like his speech on the podeum is about two inches thick. Quick, somebody get him a losenge, he’s gonna need it.

Lahoma is telling me that she likes what Senator Dodd is saying. ;0)

There is no doubt in my mind that Dodd gets it!

Send him chocolate espresso beans. Sweet treat that’ll keep him awake.

Lord, Mr. Dodd is covering the bases.

today’s fax to harry reid:

“I commend you on your sterling leadership in rushing the Protect the Unitary Executive Act to a predetermined outcome. Indeed there is no issue more pressing to the Country, no legislation of higher priority than that giving blanket immunity to President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Judge Gonzales, the Republican Leadership, the Democratic Leadership, and any and all other Industry Reps, Lobbyists or close family relatives named in the buried fine print for all illegal and unconstitutional acts committed in the name of Law & Order and the American Way.

Your courageous stand in aiding and abetting the abolition of Balance of Powers will be one for the History Books.

(Extra bonus points if your Senate colleagues make their Tee Times in DAVOS).”

i shall too

It is, as Dodd says, about “the rule of law”.

Senate adjourned until 9:30 tomorrow, back to the Indian Health care bill at that time.

And what a night. Next up on Olbermann, John Edwards.

I found this florist who seems close to the capitol:

http://www.kabloomofwashingtondc.com/

I wish I knew who was a “blue” florist!

The real idiotic thing about all this is that the last I heard, wiretapping that was so crucial that our whole nation was left insecure without it had been suspended due to non-payment of the bill. What a crock! If it was so important that they had to give up information on all their own customers without probable cause or warrants, they must be traitors now for putting our national security at risk in a dispute over money!

He for sure does. ;0)

Rudy is on with tweety talking about cutting regulation as the way out of the economic problems.

flowers

http://www.ftd.com/5970/catalo…..estsellers

How many Hillarys and Obamas does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/

OMG. Cheney is up now on CSAN. Sit down.

Darth slinks out of his under ground bunker to whisper to the neocons.

Watching Dodd was like swimming in a cool, gin-clear spring on a hot August afternoon.

Gmornin all. Looks like I missed a lot while I slept.

Cheney just said that the ten people clapping for him almost was enough to make him run for office again. WTF?

The telecoms cut off their wiretaps when the FBI didn’t pay their bills on time. That ought to give you an idea of the price they put on “serving the national security interests.”

Not following the law? No big deal.
But fail to pay your bills? Sorry, folks, but for that we cut you off.

no can do

Isn’t Cheney a nasty looking fossil.

And what a night. Next up on Olbermann, John Edwards.

Do you think Keith will ask Edwards about his stand on the FISA legislation? I will be disappointed if he doesn’t ask him to take a public stand on this. I still don’t know if he’s ever made a public statement about what he thinks of the idea of retroactive immunity for telecoms.

Best thing I’ve heard all day, Cheney;
We have entered our last year of office.

How about this “patriot” bouquet?

http://www.kabloomofwashington…..?id=167951

Rudy is on with tweety talking about cutting regulation as the way out of the economic problems.

We could just do away with all the laws. Then we would be a country without crime!

BOOM!
My head explodes.
We have not experienced a catastrophic attack since 911.

Rudy just got a hard on…

It’s intermission time. Lahoma is taking her shower and has inquired of me if I have given any consideration to snacks during Olbermann. Well… I certainly have now.

via an email I got, Chris Dodd needs help retiring his campaign debt, so the contribution window is still up at his website. I’ll be kicking in again!

http://chrisdodd.com/

My guess is that the Edwards campaign contacted Keith about an appearance. Edwards has a long record of being opposed to warrantless wiretapping.

Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008.

363 more days of a mendacious, incompetent, dunderhead in the White House.

Cheney on CSapn 2 from a Hritage Foundation speech today talking about FISA and defending TORTURE!

So far, of the four individuals I emailed this afternoon — Obama, Durbin, Emanuel and Edwards, I have gotten an email response from one — Dick Durbin. This is what he says to constituents:

Thank you for contacting me about amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and the Protect America Act. I appreciate hearing from you and share your concerns.

President Bush authorized the National Security Agency (NSA) to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance of communications made by American citizens living within the United States. At the time of the President’s authorization, FISA required the government to seek a warrant from a special court in order to conduct electronic surveillance of communications between American citizens and anyone outside the country. The NSA did not obtain approval from the FISA court or from any other court before initiating its domestic surveillance program.

In August 2007, the Administration proposed amending FISA with a bill known as the Protect America Act. I believed the bill provided too much opportunity for excessive intrusion and potential abuse by the NSA and other intelligence officials. I voted against the measure, as did Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. Nonetheless, Congress passed the bill and the President signed it into law.

The Protect America Act expires in February 2008, and Congress is now considering legislation that would amend FISA and provide relief to the telecommunications companies that allegedly participated in the NSA program.

I oppose retroactive immunity for these companies. Under current law, telecommunications companies already receive absolute immunity for assisting the government with lawful surveillance. Retroactive immunity would only aid companies that have assisted with unlawful surveillance. During the Senate Judiciary Committee’s consideration of the legislation, I opposed an amendment that would have provided these companies with retroactive immunity. This amendment ultimately was rejected by the committee. I supported an amendment adopted by the committee that would prevent reverse targeting of Americans inside the United States without a warrant. The committee’s version of the bill and a competing version are now being debated by the full Senate.

I am deeply concerned about the manner in which the Executive Branch has initiated and conducted the NSA surveillance programs. I continue to believe that companies that participated in unlawful surveillance should not receive retroactive immunity. When the President and his Administration order actions such as the surveillance of American citizens, these actions must be conducted in a manner consistent with the rule of law and the Constitution’s commitment to civil liberties.

I also will continue to support measures that shed light on any illegal actions that were taken in furtherance of the NSA program. We must work to ensure that government surveillance of American citizens is conducted in a manner consistent with the Constitution, the rule of law, and our security needs.

I’m going to surpise my lady. She doesn’t know it, but I picked up all the necessary ingredients for banana splits earlier. That’s our treat during Olbermann tonight. And I bought a movie today too, for afterwards.

Pretty good, heard some of it:

On Point with Tom Ashbrook
Global Market Meltdown?
Aired: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10-11AM ET
http://www.onpointradio.org/sh…..a_main.asp

I pray that Dodd does not pass out and wake up at Davos.

Rather that he gets in done and goes first class.

Chalmers Johnson says turn out the lights, the American Century is over.

-G

I’m snacking on leftover apple cake, made to share with new sweetheart a couple of days ago. Yum!

Does a slime mold actually slink? Propagate may be closer to the mark…

I’m waiting to see which other Senators join him in his filibuster. Feingold, Kennedy, Durbin… Who else? Can you imagine seeing Obama and Clinton take their turns and excoriating their party’s Congressional leadershit (intentional sic) for allowing this situation to reach this point? With Edwards sitting in the gallery showing them that he’s with them and not out campaigning to their disadvantage? I’m not gonna hold my breath, but I can tell you BLUE would be my only favorite color from that moment on.

Just got back from a meeting to join the fun. Scooping some ice cream and back in a bit.

The US is going high tech in the fight against immigrants.

How soon before we start reading about the purchase of billion dollar apaloosas?

-G

After the profit taking on Wall Street the slide will resume a pace. Too many financial institutions are now effectively broke and the piper is calling

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It will just go down, hopefully not much more than 20% from peak. Also the stock markets are just one small part of the us/global econ. For US 73% consumer spending, etc. Its all those houses, construction, banks, the people that got stuck with those AAA rated bonds that might be worth nothing on their mortage assets, etc. Lots of range in the US econ, and lots of range in the global econ.

Also lots of Countrywide walking out of a failed corp with 110 million – as 1 is a hell of a lot.

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KO!

OT – Just a year ago Speaker Pelosi claimed the end of short work weeks were over in the US House.. Yet the House adjourned for the week this evening after two days work.

Chalmers Johnson says turn out the lights, the American Century is over.

-G

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I think he said we could “squeek” through – of course he would say or likely has said the things it would require are…unlikely.

Well, that ought to be sufficeent to give the talking heads on Sunday multiple orgasms.

I’m eating a black and white cookie.

beautiful…i was gonna try to effectuate this

http://www.fromyouflowers.com/…..a_wish.htm

nice . . .

But now I think the idea of sending money to retire is debt — while not as obvious — would be more appreciated.

Obama threatening that his supporters potentially won’t back Clinton if she wins — definitely not okay.

I agree completely!

Evening all.

if i can do the less expensive bouquet…ill do both

Drinking water (sigh)….dieting.

no its not OK – sounds like a bit of a thug…

link? context?

Edwards on KO now!

Yeah, it’s disgusting. :(

Republicans, whose holds are always honored, never have to do.

I mentioned that downstairs, this is dispicable, republicans get their holds honored and democrats don’t?

what the frig?

Edwards is also going to be on Olbermann tonight — so we’ll be having an Olbermann watching party.

If someone has Edwards’s ear he should bring this up on oberman

For those of us without tv, please let us know what Edwards says on K.O. show. Thanks.

Sorry, it was just on Olbermann. Obama clip.

Obama hasn’t learned yet how his words can be construed.

on KO, Obama says his voters may not vote for Clinton if she gets the nom…

The grown-up part of the Democratic Party. Go John!

Olbermann had the clip.

that would appear to be a huge gaffe by Obama

GO EDWARDSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Edwards-I would say that some of the bickering is petty. I believe unity is important. The change for America, we need real change. It also matters that we have a candidate who will stand up for the middle class and the poor.

Democrats should all agree to support the nominee.

Edwards is on to econ question.

Jeez. Thanks. Not good.

The objective is to get the Republicans out of the White House.

Edwards has the flags of USA and SC in the immediate background. Good presentation.

I didn’t hear a threat; if he starts with the assumption that he can draw in Republican/Independents that she can’t, then it would follow that if she’s the nominee, she might not get all his supporters.

However, he could have said, “if she’s the nominee, I’ll do everything I can to bring my supporters to support the Democratic ticket,” but he didn’t. The question he was asked didn’t invited that, however.

edwards: correlation between votes the other two are getting and the media attention they get.

YES!

Lahoma and I like Edwards. Very much so.

Edwards-we look at Wall St. Poor are having trouble paying bills, and Bush wants to support the Wall St. economy.

I think the truth is that publicity goes with votes. People watching debates move towards me. Clinton and Obama are both moving toward my positions.

That’s a take my ball and go home mindset.

In the words of the Geico caveman: Not cool.

-G

And the media attention they get is directly related to how much $$ they have to spend on ads.

Can you say payola?

He should bow out of the race just for saying that! How divisive for the party… I knew my gut feel for him was right about Obama… it has always felt wrong about him… just to slick!

KO said Edwards has been the leader on putting the important issues into the campaign.

Edwards on momentum, winning debates when Indies watch, why he is #1.

Now talking on Vetrans and O’Lielly.

Edwards just said he is the underdog.

There’s no need to fear! Underdog is here!

when criminals in this world appear
and break the laws that they should fear
and frighten all who see or hear
the cry goes up both far and near
for Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!

That’s right!

That makes sense too. It just did not sound good, though.

On O’Reilly, Edwards says there is a great deal we can do for the vets. Physical and mental health care for them. It may not be a vote getting issue, it is a moral issue. This is about people who deserve our attention.

you got to see this graph

man oh man oh man

that gif is from think progress, I don’t know where they got it but every single progressive needs to post that graph, every single candidate needs to post that on their web site

KO give SC date of Saturday and wishes Edwards All the Best.

I’d have to listen to it again, but he didn’t seem to be referring to Rs – it sounded like he was saying his primary voters would not necessarily vote for Clinton.

Plus he didn’t make an affirmative effort to say “Dems for Dems!”

EDWARDS IS A GOOD and teh smart man imo

We can spend $15,000,000,000 per month on ridiculous wars, but we cannot take care of our vets?

Major screw-up. MAJOR.

damn. No mention of FISA

There’s no need to fear! Underdog is here!

when criminals in this world appear
and break the laws that they should fear
and frighten all who see or hear
the cry goes up both far and near
for Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!

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Edwards/Colbert 2008
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when you loadthis graph you need to click it again so it magnifies

It’s both. But he’s giving dog whistle permission in the same way right wingers “predict” future contingency events that they themselves support, or could prevent. It’s a deft use of the passive voice to launder responsibility.

How could KO pass up such an opportunity?

Nor pay for health care for children.

damn. No mention of FISA

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Thats right, but the guy gets 3 minutes a month and so many people know nothing about FISA. Please keep an eye out for him saying something on time.

I really like John Edwards. Obama lost my vote with his comment tonite. It was like a little GOP attitude coming out there….Sounds like he is much more interested in himself and not taking the country back. I’m sure he’ll say it was taken out of context though. I will not vote for him.

Vets, and alot else too. Hi Kiddo!

I agree; it was an opportunity to be gracious and encourage unity, even if he’s not the candidate, and he ignored it. Another “you’re likable enough” moment.

Edwards tells us that the most important thing is to elect a Democratic president next November.

I like Mr. Edwards

Lahoma

How could KO pass up such an opportunity?

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Ignorance? Did not know Dodd was up there (maybe if he had stayed in the race?). I did not even get that Dodd live on two CSPAN channels – just lame stuff.

this is a shame, I would have loved to have the ghoul to run against, ah me;

It’s Mitt Romney vs. John McCain in the final stretch of Florida’s crucial Republican primary. — A new St. Petersburg Times poll shows the former Massachusetts governor and Arizona senator neck and neck among Florida Republicans, while Rudy Giuliani’s Florida-or-bust strategy has been a bust.

When the campaign first started, didn’t Obama hedge when asked if he would support the nominee?

What is up with BIll Clinton anyway, is he trying to draw male voters with his bombast? I did not like the Obama comment either, and Clinton said to elect Edwards…so I guess that closes the deal for Edwards!

KO…just….handed Edwards…the PRESIDENCY!

Sounds like political kneecapping to me. I get the nomination or else.

When the campaign first started, didn’t Obama hedge when asked if he would support the nominee?

there it is, we need to get a commitment from him right now

if he does not want to support a democrat then he is out of there simple as that

both him and clinton need to be pressed immediatly by edwards and all progressives

redx, for those who didn’t see the show, what are you talking about? what happened?

Edwards on CNN now

Try this link later this evening, graslady. I don’t have cable, so this is where I catch up on Olbermann every night (or the next morning). Every second of the show is posted here, but you can skip individual clips (no Britney shit for me, same with OJ Simpson coverage).

It seems to autostart with a Meet The Press opener, but you can pause that and start clicking the little plus signs at the lower right of each segment you want to view. Then just fast-forward (without hitting ‘play’) the MTP vid and your first choice will start. NO COMMERCIALS, either.

kiddo is making banana splits. I love kiddo. For a hundred thousand reasons.

Lahoma

I really like John Edwards. Obama lost my vote with his comment tonite. It was like a little GOP attitude coming out there….Sounds like he is much more interested in himself and not taking the country back. I’m sure he’ll say it was taken out of context though. I will not vote for him.

He is starting to make a lot of stupid political mistakes…Bill has him wound up…Basically calling Bill dishonest and a crypto-racist was a mistake, IMO.

I didn’t hear a threat; if he starts with the assumption that he can draw in Republican/Independents that she can’t, then it would follow that if she’s the nominee, she might not get all his supporters.

However, he could have said, “if she’s the nominee, I’ll do everything I can to bring my supporters to support the Democratic ticket,” but he didn’t. The question he was asked didn’t invited that, however.

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Edwards gave clean immediate answer to this, KO thanked him for a straight answer.

hi back.

L.

Thanks, but I don’t see a link.

Lahoma, A split sounds wonderful right about now.

Edwards on CNN, when it becomes personal and petty, we are not serving the American people.

He would dramatically change NCLB!!!!!!!!!!

Universal Pre-kindergarten. Second chance schools.

excellent!

thanks loo hoo.

IIRC, at that time both Edwards and Hillary basically said of course, what a stupid question. Obama said Hmmmmmmmm.

Each candidate is making some version of the argument, “only I can win.”

Obama = only I can get the Repubs and the Indies
Clinton = only I can withstand the vetting in the general campaign
Edwards = only I can attract voters in certain states that allow me to beat McCain.

So each is also implicitly saying that if the others get the nomination, they may not win because they can’t overcome the hurdle that only he/she can.

Oh Keith, say it ain’t so –

no question to Edwards on FISA/telecom immunity

KO’d!!!
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YEAAAAAA MEDIA BLACKOUT lifted?

Oh Jane – please oh pretty please invite John Edwards on FDL? I missed a bit of Edwards short but sweet appearance just now on KO…was busy writing him a note re: your Edwards post with link that you and Glenn encouraged (thank you both very much).

We do need to run this often, wherever we can. Leaflet with it.
Thanks, Perris.

Indeed – there are about 5 ways to read that, none of them good.

I WANT PUBLIC EDUCATION FIXED BEFORE I RETIRE!

redx, for those who didn’t see the show, what are you talking about? what happened?

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Not sure on spoliers from KO since its news. But Bill Clinton went off on the media (partially for good reason, not covering issues – but kind of pot calling the kettle out) – then he sort of ground at the specific person as well. He they did not answer a second question and scolded them for trying to get two stories out of it – just one – just one – as he walks out the door.

No big deal, but more media push around on all sides (and by the media as well). I just do not see this sort of scornfull lecture is going to draw many people, especially if the supporters want to focus on the strength of Hillary Clinton (and do not think that Bill is one).

I just wish they were willing to call out how the media operates when it matters.

Obama, Clinton, both bought corportists.

Edwards is the closest thing to a chance at progress.
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Nada on CNN tambien.

i second that emotion

when you loadthis graph you need to click it again so it magnifies

Everyone go look at the graph that Perris is linking to (@188).

Has Edwards ever been on A Daily Show or Colbert Report?

Alas, in some ways it makes sense, even if it is in some ways the worst way to make a decision. Remember how last time people chose “safe” Kerry over “out of control” Dean. Great move!

But only Obama is saying his supporters would unify in the fall
An assumption I would challenge by the way. All the Obama voters I know
are planning on voting for the Democrat in the fall regardless

ABC has the Obama quote:

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, says of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, “I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me?”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit…..ma-th.html

Same here. Links are still acting strange, Jane. I used the 3 chain links icon above this box, got nada.

Let’s try this. Go to http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/ and look down the right side to find a link called ‘Countdown’s Latest Videos’. That should do it. It’ll start with a collection of his ‘best of Oddball’ clips, but the library will be on the left. If it doesn’t show everything in date order, you can change that.

1,374 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Well, well…the mask is comin’ offa the Black Joe Lieberman! This guy is definitely NOT stupid so his failure to pledge fealty to the party and his unwillingness to speak ill of the telecoms and the health care industry (insurance and pharmaceuticals) speaks directly to his politics. Don’t try and read what he doesn’t say…take what he DOES say at face value. He is more interested in “reaching across the isle” and “bipartisanship” than the sufferin’ masses of his own party and the greater constituency of the country. John Edwards doesn’t hafta respond to O’Lieberman at all…let Mrs. Clinton and the OTHER charlatan from Illinois cut each other up. I think there is every possibility that Edwards may come in second in South Carolina and if he does Clinton’s candidacy is done-over-fine!!

KEEP THE FAITH AND LET THE BASTARDS EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN!!

I WANT PUBLIC EDUCATION FIXED BEFORE I RETIRE!

The economy is way to screwed up to give up a job..so it could happen.

I doubt that he would go on either of those shows while the writers strike is still on. Remember, Stewart and Colbert were more or less forced to go back on tv without writers.

I think he was talking to his supporters as well. Have seen this code many times.

Each candidate is making some version of the argument, “only I can win.”

Obama = only I can get the Repubs and the Indies
Clinton = only I can withstand the vetting in the general campaign
Edwards = only I can attract voters in certain states that allow me to beat McCain.

So each is also implicitly saying that if the others get the nomination, they may not win because they can’t overcome the hurdle that only he/she can.

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Excellent. I think they all win hands down, but sadly when the Dems are drawing historic numbers of voters especially over Rs and they are still bringing the chances down every day.

It should be going dramitically up as the Rs have ruined the econ with two busts in 8 years (actually 7 – one more to go).

In response to Scarecrow @ 215
But only Obama is saying his supporters would NOT unify in the fall
An assumption I would challenge by the way. All the Obama voters I know
are planning on voting for the Democrat in the fall regardless

also to #230
there is more to the quote…he goes on to say he doesn’t think she will

Thanks. Will try that.

Edwards is the Kucinich of the leading candidates. That means he is best on the issues and the MSM puts him on ignore because they need to suppress (as much as possible) what he is saying.

That alone, should tell you that John Edwards is a threat to the “establishment” and boy do we need to get the establishment dislodged.

Lead John Lead!

CNN got the title “FEAR IN THE AIR”

and are screaming at some quite corner where people are walking by (in SC).

Obama is saying that he is drawing people who would vote for him or a Republican, not any Dem (or at least not Sen. Clinton).

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, says of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, “I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me?”

but the reverse is true

if she runs she gets all the obama’s, oboma will not get all the clintonians

his judgement is poor

The Obama statement is a delusion..maybe he believed the vote from Elko NV. Hill and John are correct and Edwards has the stronger argument.

When the dems have decided on their nominee… all will rally around the nominee and march on to a landslide over the republicans which is hard to steal.

Don’t expect a progressive candidate to emerge from this process.

We have to finish FISA this week. Everyone should be aware of that point. We have to finish it this week. I know there are important trips people want to take. We have the very important economic conference in Davos that Democrats and Republicans alike would like to go to.

HURRY UP PLEASE IT’S TIME
HURRY UP PLEASE IT’S TIME
Goonight privacy. Goonight civil liberties. Goonight justice. Goonight.
Ta ta. Goonight. Goonight.
Good night, Democracy, good night, sweet Democracy, good night, good night.

Barack Obama: I think there is no doubt that she has higher negatives than any of the remaining democratic candidates. That’s just a fact and there are some who will not vote for her.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/308380.aspx

Also I think Obama believes that if JRE leaves the race, he will gain all of Edwards’ supporters. Not so.

hey, empty wheel has an incredible piece up right now;

Dick Wants His Immunity, and He Wants It Now

go have a look

Same here. Links are still acting strange, Jane. I used the 3 chain links icon above this box, got nada.

I learned this the other day: with the new FDL system, you have to enter a name for your link, highlight the name, then click on the “chain” at the top of the window and enter the URL. The result will be the name you gave it, in red, which contains the link. If you just click on the chain and enter the URL, nothing happens, you get no link. IIRC with the old site it would prompt you for the name after you entered the URL.

The Obama campaign got sandbagged by Hillary…Obama is fighting Bill in SC and Hill is campaigning and raising money in FEB 5 States. Jeebus!

One thing that I learned while working for Dean’s campaign is that I am not the mainstream voter, and it was a very frustrating but insightful lesson to see what people expect in a presidential candidate.

if that is so, then you must believe that ALL of JE votes are anti-hillary votes…

that can’t be right…

Really shows what this bastard has done to this country since he was anointed by the republican supreme court!

Obama is saying that he is drawing people who would vote for him or a Republican, not any Dem (or at least not Sen. Clinton).

it’s really not likely he’s going to get too many republicans voting for him, they are biggots

they want him to be the candidate because they can galvanize against him more then hillary

the only one they can’t demonize for what they are is edwards, they will be left with attacking his platform

I doubt that he would go on either of those shows while the writers strike is still on. Remember, Stewart and Colbert were more or less forced to go back on tv without writers.

Yeah, but they’re both trying to use their shows as a platform soap box to spotlight the writer’s strike. As I mentioned earlier today, Colbert’s show last night was like bringing the picket line in and putting it on TV. They closed tonight show with Andrew Young and another guest (whose name I forgot, but his interview was about civil rights fights) singing along with Colbert and an all black choir singing “Let My People Go” while the names of Colbert’s writers flashed on the screen.

Rachel Maddow says we had a sense we were being lied to a lot. Now it is all there, provable, documentible lies.

KO – Maddow on Bush’s 1001 Lies.

Yeah, we got a DB, and can check frequency of lies over time (during events such as at the UN or in the State of the Union), speaking to lies ratio, etc.

He could have said it better, but I think Scarecrow’s point on the Independents and moderate Republicans going for Obama is germaine here. On the other hand, some of Hillary’s people probably will not vote for Obama (back to the old identity politics in part).

Hillary, her husband, and Obama should lose their recesses for a week, and be made to write sentences which read: I promise in the future to act grown up (do what is in the interests of getting rid of the Republicans).

One thing that I learned while working for Dean’s campaign is that I am not the mainstream voter, and it was a very frustrating but insightful lesson to see what people expect in a presidential candidate.

Exactly..we have a very distorted view here. The election is going to be determined by ~10% and those aren’t the folks reading lefty blogs.

All right! Rachel Maddow mentioned the FISA bill! Yay!!!

Maddow, how do you get from questionable to documentable lies? It all happened so much faster during times of the lies.

It reminds me of the immunity bill. If the telecoms don’t get immunity, the risks of terrorism become greater.

Really shows what this bastard has done to this country since he was anointed by the republican supreme court!

every sinle candidate needs to post that on their front page, every single blog needs to have that lead as many posts as possible till the election

KO – Maddow on Bush’s 1001 Lies.

Yeah, we got a DB, and can check frequency of lies over time (during events such as at the UN or in the State of the Union), speaking to lies ratio, etc.

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Oh, Maddow got it all. Also KO talked about not rolling out a new Product. Yeah the lies went up during certain times. She is now banging on FISA and phone company immunity is worth it to Bush to put the country at risk.

GO DODD!

Rachel just rockssssssssssssssssssss

KO – Maddow now on impeachment. Well said. Thank you.

Thank You Rachel Maddow for bringing up the idiocy of Bush saying the FISA bill is necessary but if it does not include TelCo Immunity, he will veto the bill.

Thank You Rachel. Thank You Thank You Thank You.

Thank Gawd for Rachel Maddow and thank you Keith, for giving her voice.

Rachel does not understand why impeachment has not happened. An insult to the Constitution. We owe it to our kids and grandkids not to take it off the table.

Rachel will take up this issue late.r

Exactly..we have a very distorted view here. The election is going to be determined by ~10% and those aren’t the folks reading lefty blogs.

but the “lefty blogs” aren’t “left” at all, we are center, we have the pulse

the “lefty blogs” like firedog lake are the majority

That chart scares me – how did it get so bad in such a short period of time? Hard work, I guess.

it’s really not likely he’s going to get too many republicans voting for him, they are biggots

His campaign was making a big deal about winning rural NV voters..”The Dems for a day”…There is no f’ing way those voters will vote for any Dem ever.

To use that chain link thing you do this: have your URL ready to click into place (minus the http://). Type a word to describe the link in this comment box, and highlight it. Then click chainlink icon. Then, put URL in. Click “OK”. That’s it, it puts the word in for you.

Rachel Maddow is sure getting a *lot* of face time on MSNBC these days. She nixed the idea that she was given a try-out for her own show, but I’m thinking that she signed some kind of contract with them…

Nancy “impeachment is off the table” Pelosi has got to go.

Maddow = awesome

Maddow + Olbermann = stunning

Rachel to take Nancy place and put impeachment back on the table!
From NY times: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes…..ent-drive/

Obama ad running on KO’s show.

on her radio show, she has mentioned as recently as last week that she does not get paid for her countdown appearances.

I have said it here before,and I will say it again. I heart Rachel Maddow. Wow – amazing to see such intelligence, street smarts, strength, humor and beauty in a single human.

I think it’s a good bet if HRC is elected president, that Pelosi and Reid will not lose their jobs.

I hear that. After a while, you just don’t expect “your” candidate to even get close, so it’s always a question of 2nd/3rd best. And yet we’re called the “extremists” who can’t compromise.

Loved Keith’s question at the end, too: What if they impeach after they’re out of office? You think about that and we’ll talk about it next time.

That’s what the “last” button is for.

Why are you guys wasting time watching KO when you can get much more insightful wisdom from O’Reilly ?!! /s

Rudy Toot Toot now comin in a weak third in Florida- where he put all his marbles–OOPS!

“In contrast, the leading Republicans are waging fierce campaigns in Florida, the biggest prize yet of the primary season. McCain is narrowly leading the Republican field with 25 percent of the vote, followed by Romney with 23 percent. The gap is within the poll’s margin of error, placing the Arizona senator and the former Massachusetts governor in a statistical tie.

For McCain, Florida looms as a test of whether he can hold his own within the GOP, since the independents who helped him win New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries can’t participate in the state’s primary.

The poll reflected an astonishing turnaround by McCain, who just months ago had to pull his campaign out of Florida when he ran low on money. He’s even beating Giuliani by 10 points in South Florida, known affectionately as the sixth borough because the area is home to so many of the former New York City mayor’s constituents. His Hispanic support has also crumbled.

”Giuliani has gone from a prohibitive favorite to a second-tier candidate. . . and the drop is traceable to dramatic erosion in South Florida,” said Tom Eldon, Schroth’s pollingpartner.

After retreating from New Hampshire weeks ago, Giuliani’s campaign decided to hunker down in Florida and argued that the state would catapult him to the nomination. What the campaign failed to anticipate was that his poll numbers would plunge as rivals picked off smaller states with earlier contests.

”This Giuliani campaign strategy of betting it all on Florida somehow miscalculated how Florida voters would disregard his performance in other states — it does matter to them if somebody has been a loser,” Conway said.

”Giuliani’s decision to pull out of the early states is going to go down in history,” Eldon added.

Statewide, Giuliani received support from 15 percent, down from 36 percent in a Miami Herald poll in November. The poll was conducted Jan. 20-22, after Fred Thompson came up short in the South Carolina primary but before he quit the race Tuesday afternoon.”

Rember Davos! We counted up the lies and then the econ tanked.

Classic Colbert was when he threw up some Mills on Edwards pictures… (he had something for each candidate).

ut the “lefty blogs” aren’t “left” at all, we are center, we have the pulse

the “lefty blogs” like firedog lake are the majority

Lefty was “tongue in cheek”..as a product of the 60’s..I don’t see any lefties any more.

OT United Farm Workers union endorsed Clinton. THAT is a big deal.

I’ve never criticized Obama before but one thing he did during the debate rubbed me the wrong way. When HRC and Edwards were offering ideas to boost the economy, he offered none but said that it would be him that would be implementing those ideas a year from now. Arrogant, confrontational, demeaning, and a little on the lazy side too. Really didn’t sit well with me.

Hey – there is an Internet Expert & Blogger on O’Lielly.

Verizon has given 25K to Clinton and 23K to Obama in this election cycle.

AT&T has given 48K to Rahm Emmanuel, 43K to Obama and 43K to Clinton in this cycle.

Rottenfeller has not gotten that much money for 2008.

Something is very rotten in Congress.

If they don’t stand up, we know exactly why.

Don’t forget you can listen to Rachel Maddow’s Air America radio show every weekday evening 6 – 8 PM EST.

http://www.airamerica.com

A little Maddow pimping there. :)

I dunno who’s gonna win Florida but I do know that whoever LIEberman campaigns for, is gonna lose !

I’m just arriving – what happened with Sen. Dodd?

From TPM

Edwards, Hillary, Obama, And Rezko

Did Edwards tell a roomful of donors that Hillary privately told him after the last debate that there’s more to come on the Obama Rezko story that has yet to be made public?

An Edwards contributor tells The New York Observer that Edwards made the claim at a private fundraiser last night. The Observer directly quotes the donor’s account of what Edwards said:

He said that Hillary and Obama have true dislike for each other and that after the most recent debate Hillary mentioned to John in passing that there’s more about Obama and that “slum landlord” [Rezko] that has yet to be disclosed to the public.

The Observer notes that “the source said that Edwards gave no indication that Hillary suggested that it was her campaign that had the Rezko-dirt.” And indeed it would be unlikely that Hillary would confide such a thing to an opponent even if it were true.

Rachel Maddow: ‘taking impeachment off the table is an insult to the Constitution.’ What real Americans know.
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Rudy Toot Toot now comin in a weak third in Florida- where he put all his marbles–OOPS!

rudy does best where he doesn’t show upn at all

if he wanted to win florida his only shot was to not make appearances

Matt BH has a new post up at http://holdfastblog.com/

Dodd-
~“Few things are more detrimental to this country than the erosion of and attack on the civil liberties we enjoy. This isn’t a Democratic issue or a Republican issue; this is an American issue. If after debate, the Senate appears ready to pass legislation granting telecom providers retroactive immunity I will use any and all legislative tools at my disposal, including a filibuster, to prevent this deeply flawed bill from becoming law. More and more, Americans are rejecting the false choice that has come to define this administration: security or liberty, but never, ever both. For all those who have stood with me throughout this fight, I pledge, once more, to stand up for you.”~

See http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/164559/397

It’s official, Dodd will filibuster a bad FISA Bill

Hey – there is an Internet Expert & Blogger on O’Lielly.

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Wow, surprise she is saying don’t trust anything on the net, or whatever she is trying to figure to say so the liar will have her back on.

if that is so, then you must believe that ALL of JE votes are anti-hillary votes…

Not at all. I think most of JRE supporters (including myself) are deeply committed to our candidate because we believe he is right on so many issues; because we believe he is speaking the truth; and we believe he is the only one of the three who is not paid for by lobbyists and special interests.

My comment was that JRE’s supporters would not automatically default to Obama, were Edwards to drop out.

I don’t agee. I think quite a few may. If McCain gets the nod, he is looking so over the hill, there are lots who will say, forget it. And he has all those negatives with the fundies. If it is Romney, the latter just looks slick. Obama conveys candor, straight forwardness. I also think that the country would love to ave someone who reallyknows how to speak English (unlike McCain or Romney -McCain said “my friends” about 100 times in NH.

Turns out Kerry isn’t so safe, is he? I spent so many hours on his campaign. So disappointed now.

For the Pres. candidates, those numbers are pissing in the ocean, for Rahm those are big bucks.

huh. Guess that means I was wro… – wron….- wr…- not correct.

Debate begins tomorrow a.m., after 9:30.

Rachel Maddow: ‘taking impeachment off the table is an insult to the Constitution.’ What real Americans know.

Not only that, she pointed out that it sets a dangerous precedent!

sorry – I was actually agreeing you… I don’t think it is an automatic default either… if it were, then JE’s support would have to be anti-hillary, which it is not..

Thanks, hmmmm….., i may be slow getting into work tomorrow.

Oh, I get you now. Sorry to be slow witted. Long day.

SHORTER DEM CANDIDATES:

You support me, I don’t support you…Asta la FISA baby!!!
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