Why are even the talking heads at CNBC getting flustered over the talk of "recession?" Because, for one thing, the advertising dollars are starting to dry up. All those "richflation" want-not-need goodies that have been sprinkled with abandon across the pages of fashionista mags and cable networks over the last few years? Not so necessary, it seems. Via Brandweek:
...As talk of a recession gathers steam, luxury brands have posted some fairly poor financial results. In the past few weeks, reported concerns about profits have marred the performance of such brands as Burberry, Tiffany, Coach and Polo Ralph Lauren. Some of those brands have already cut their ad spends....
Yet the fact that these consumers' affluence depends both on holding down jobs and on the equity present in their homes puts them—and the brands that cater to them—at the mercy of economic forces in ways that a consumer like, say, Warren Buffett, would not be. "The brands that you're seeing now reporting downturns are those who really appealed to that mass-affluent audience," Danziger said.
Those same ripples are likely to be felt on the marketing front, as well. "One of the first areas [where] brands will cut back will be in their advertising and marketing dollars," Cohen said. Indeed, some of that might already be happening. Burberry's ad spend from January through November 2007 dropped 8.6% to $11.2 million versus the prior 11-month period, per Nielsen Monitor-Plus. Similarly, Neiman Marcus cut its pend by about 9% to $32.7 million, and Saks Fifth Avenue pared its spend 3% to $42.5 million....
..."We've never ever focused on tourism marketing before," said Kimberly Grabel, Saks' vp-marketing. "While we don't think we need to spend a lot on that, it is something that we're looking at more seriously now."
Could be a useful strategery, but for that whole shackle shopping Icelandic tourists fiasco last December. But at least retailers still have Condi's platinum Amex for emergencies, I suppose. (In case of hurricanes, send shoes.) What has been propping up this whole richflation bubble? In a phrase, "irrational exuberance," to borrow from Mr. Andrea Mitchell.
But trading up was always a fragile phenomenon. It rested, in large part, on consumer psychology — a feeling of wealth derived from soaring home values and the steady growth of real income, that is, income adjusted for inflation.
Today, any growth in real income is all but canceled out in consumers’ minds by falling home prices and rising energy costs.
Where greed and reality intersect is the come to Jesus moment for the Bush economy. And if the richflation indicators are the leading edge of the recessionary wedge, reality may be awfully painful for a whole lot of folks. For an awfully long time to come. Perusing Calculated Risk today is a painful read -- people who make the decision to walk away from their vast mortagage payment aren't the sort of folks who will be buying more Jimmy Choos any time soon, now are they?
But the people who are going to be feeling the pinch most painfully? They are the folks who weren't buying the so-called mid-level luxury brands to begin with...because they were too busy trying to scrape together the change to buy their groceries and pay their skyrocketing utilty and medication bills. Hello, America? This is your wake-up call...
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if only there were someplace to shop for T-shirts online….
Most of the ads on Tweety, KO and the rest at MSNBC are those horrible “scooter store”, “it pays for final and any other expenses” frickin rip-off insurance, and Pat Boone telling these poor old folks what a swell idea a reverse mortgage is.
From Calculated Risk:
“That was up by 12.4 percent from 72,571 the previous quarter, and up 114.6 percent from 37,994 for fourth-quarter 2006, according to DataQuick Information Systems.”
What happened in 2006 that caused the sudden upsurge?
I hate that Pat Boone reverse mortgage ad. Blergh…
(That and the singing Viagra ad to the tune of Viva Las Vegas. Double blergh.)
Was that when a lot of the balloon mortgage provisions started kicking in for a lot of the “no money down” folks? I seem to remember that kicking in around then. Anyone remember for sure (before I tra la off to start looking it up to be positive)?
LOL. Was this comment made as an opening for me to say how much I HATE these particular tee-shirt ads? Not the teeshirts, just the ads. No? Ok, sorry.
I’ve met several people in the past three months that are facing foreclosure or know someone who is. And this is obviously a subject that many are loathe to discuss. I know of a couple of people who walked away from large deposits on condos. (One millionaire left $200K on the table to walk away from a deal. The condo value had plummeted more than that amount. He felt that it was finanially smarter to leave the deal - in consideration of the huge depreciation in value, maintenance fees and property taxes.)
The Bush Brush Ranch has plenty of space for a modern Hooverville. It’s the least BUsh can do. Actually, it’s probably the only thing he can do, given his skill set.
Xin Loi GI.
For me it’s the nasal voice J Wentworth “Do you need cash na-ow?”
If housing values are going down, no one in their right mind will give anyone a reverse mortgage because there’ll be no guarantee that the value of the property will stay the same.
I was thinking about Hooterville.
Tanta has a picture of the Mortgage Pig at the Federal Reserve’s emergency rate cut meeting.
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.....nutes.html
It is interesting that it hit so many people at the same time. Must have been due to really high interest rates for some reason, or else it has to do with the timing of when the mortgages were originated and would balloon all at the same time…hmmmm….I’m totally financially ignorant, but it just seems weird.
The “mass-affluent” audience: borrowing no more against its shrinking home equity.
Unfortunately those ads prey on folks who may no be quite up to par on what’s what.
Okay, what do you know that’s bad about reverse mortgages. I ask because I have some friends that have done reverse mortgages, and they seemed to have worked out fine for them. I considered doing a reverse mortgage myself, but apparently you need more than 50% equity to actual accomplish one. Seems they use your life expectancy as 100 years old when they do your calculation, regardless that you’re sick already with a debilitating disease.
The Real Housewives of Orange County must be cryin’ in their champagne as the hangover sets in.
A friend just came back from Arizona–one of many major developments is over 50% in foreclosure or unsold. Values less than 50% of a year ago.
The chickens has come home to roost.
It’s not that they cannot be good for folks, it’s that the same predators who screw people with other flim flams are out there waiting to pounce.
I have relatives who are dealing with that very issue with a parent at the moment. This elderly lady gets more mail from people requesting “donations” and offers for things she neither needs nor can afford. She’s on that downhill slide toward dementia, and for several months had been sending off checks to all of them before her family realized her food and medical money was going out the door to all of these “desperately needy” in her mind groups.
Elderly folks are far too often targets of predatory folks who will not take “no donation” for an answer. Lots of unscrupulous idgets out there, I’m afraid…
If you read bonddad blog he has a chart of ARM rate adjustments. It will peak in March
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If one is minding one’s own business, scrolling innocently through the brilliant and pithy FDL posts and stops at the “right” place so that you see only from her waist down, it looks like she is peeing. Bleck.
I wished to hell Nutri System would go broke and cut their ad spend by 2000%. I have been sick of being bombed with those ads for two years.
They will adjust the values and loan amounts accordingly. Its a racket. There are stipulations in some contracts that require the (elderly) homeowner to maintain occupancy and that require stringent (overzealous) maintenance. If the old boy or girl gets sick and goes to a hospital or nursing home, the bastids take the house. They ride their asses about painting and upkeep to drive ‘em insane.
My brother and his wife are losing their house. I’ll probably be going down there sometime this Spring, to pick up some items they won’t be able to take with them.
I only found out recently that they’d taken an ARM to buy the place. If my sister-in-law didn’t have champagne tastes on a beer budget, they could have bought a house in a moderately priced neighborhood, and would have had a 30 year fixed mortgage. Instead,she insisted on a fancy townhouse in a pricy (golf course) neighborhood. Just the neighborhood association fees were enough to make me queasy.
It’s not an area where one full-time and one part-time income are going to cover that type of lifestyle.
Quick+dirty, drive-by guess: the beginning of the housing bust, which would have started making refinances harder for those who maxed out borrowing.
Later.
Hi Christy -
It’s the big bad “R” word that Bushco lied about to the American people. Remember how he would say the economy was strong and the proof was the high number of “home Owners”? I always knew that you didn’t OWN the house until your last mortgage payment was paid. Until then, the bank or S&L owned it.
It’s like calling Michigan a one recession state. Ha! How about recession classes, like the middle and lower working classes falling into recession for years now?
Yes, we’ve been in recession for years and it is tumbling into the nasty forbidden never to be spoken again “D” word. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I watch the people around me living in a depressed economy struggling for basic food and shelter (rental).
Enough word play and lies. Call it what it is. I guess that’s up to us to tell the truth.
time to hunker down.
The evan churches are just as bad. I was in a doctor’s waiting room one day listening to a woman in her 70s telling the man next to her how excited she was. She had sent a donation to Pat Robertson and he had sent her this cross - it was a cheap thing and she thought it was wonderful because he was going to pray for her. It made my heart hurt.
Even I never thought the GOP/corporate looting could so devastate America that today’s financial news reads like a a mid-80’s screed on over-consumption from the EarthFirst! Journal.
Heck, all those contributions to the tree-sitters could have gone to the GOP - they’re doing way more to reduce consumption then EF! could have done.
Of course, as Christy points out the Goopers and their owners are shutting down demand at the literal cost of health and homes for the many.
Wonder how long US voters will keep paying to keep the Goopers and their owners safe and comfy?
Hubby will be sorely disappointed if we stop getting 5 Victoria’s Secret catalogs per week.
Hopefully not under a bridge.
Thassit, Christy. :o)
God forbid that the american people should finally begin to show a little common sense and become nervous about the figurative sight of George Bush standing on the banks of the Tigris River and smirking that wonderful smirk, while he urinates a substantial part of the U.S. Treasury into the flow. :o)
My father-in-law got hammered constantly, especially by Veterans groups. Once those scumbags get your address it’s curtains. Every time we would go to see him he would give me “patriotic” shit they sent him after he sent money. Man, it was so hard to just accept the stuff and say thanks. . .
My mom bought me a vegetable chopper for three installments of $40.00. I’m gonna have to take away her teevee, if she keeps it up.
The financial gurus said this morning that what happened today on the markets is just “catch up” from the weekend and the holiday; they said that what happens tomorrow is what is more important (not to mention what happens overseas tonight).
QuakerGirl @30: We call our monthly mortgage payment our ‘rent.’ We know exactly who holds “the deed to our ranch.” I will be so glad when we make that final payment!
Many of these mortgages were made to people who would not qualify for a conventional conforming or nonconforming loan. Others were made to people who cash-out refinanced. In either case, people either believed or were told that they could always refinance before the baloon was due or the interest rate reset. People also tend to believe that property values only rise. Both turned out to not be true.
This is part of Bush’s legacy.
But please don’t take away those Head-On ads. At least not until they’ve run a few for their jock itch cure.
OT: IMHO this is a very big deal. Per Glenn Greenwald:
This is not only about stopping FISA immunity. It’s also about insisting that our candidates establish their progressive leadership credentials. They need to know that every liberal’s eyes will be on them in this FISA battle. And those liberals will be making decisions about how to vote on Super Tuesday. (And Matt Stoller has made a pretty good case that offending liberals with his Reagan hagiography cost Obama a win in Nevada. See http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3329 )
About how we are going to have to buy fruits and vegetables soon….
installments.
I plan on camping out in the bags under Fred Thompson’s eyes if I get tossed out of my home.
-G
Hopin’ and a prayin’ and a wishin’ - they are. Day by day. They are crapping their britches.
“time to hunker down.” pun
“Hopefully not under a bridge.” stevear
under a bridge where all those vets aren’t.
I went through this with my Mom as she slid into dementia when she turned 90. She was an accountant and in her final years fell prey to scam after scam. My sister and I set up her account so it had to have our signature just to protect her. It was an ongoing battle. We reported them. Nothing ever came of it.
Unfortunately, many elderly people outlive their children and are alone. It is all too common.
That happened to my mom. She bought 500 lightbulbs from some predator.
When times get tough people make poor decisions and the vipers come out of the bushes to prey on the weak and vulnerable.
Hopefull we’ll have John McCain going to the gates of hell to fight Bin Laden though.
-G
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The only actual case I know about, involving my daughter-in-law’s grandfather, the culprits were televangelists. He was sending checks to one of the purple-haired ladies.
Republics have a problem in making such pronouncements about bin Laden. Their leader, George W. Bush, promised to get him “Dead or Alive”. He was lying, of course. Since McCain is a Republic, as well as a Bush hugger, we should assume that he also is lying.
btw, the “lipstick on the pig” pix just cracked me up. *g* Seemed oh so appropriate for the Republican Recession, don’t you think?
I can’t believe America’s only just now crackin’ open that first eyelid.
The College Young Republicans ran senior scams
http://atheism.about.com/b/200.....tizens.htm
I wonder if CNBC will cancel their High Net Worth Show. Only wannabes must watch it. I think the very wealthy are else where
A very nasty recession is just about at hand. And the big picture is, like it or not, that this is a bipartisan issue to solve. The Republicans through their capacity for infinite greed have brought this coming misery on. Vote Democratic next November, no matter the candidate’s name. It may just be our children’s last chance.
Bank of America profits down by 95% !!
I imagine that lay-offs will follow. Bread lines, anyone?
I think most of America has been paying attention. But the big ad dollar items kept rolling out of the stores, and thus big media outlets didn’t notice the drop in their revenues so much. But with big ticket advertising dollars drying up? Suddenly Larry Kudlow’s salary looks a little more precarious, and he sits up and takes notice when he can’t get that preferred chef’s table at Daniel. Eh?
I’ve done my insurance via AARP for a number of years, and I have never heard a peep of static back from any number of insurance claims.
A reverse mortgage via AARP might offer the elderly better protections than say one from Jam & Cheatom Insurance Inc.
Just saying
Some reporter should find Cheney’s secret bat lair and ask him if he still believes that “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter”.
It was never “morning in America”. But it is ‘children in America!’. If we want it to be.
From what I’ve heard on this morning’s news, the layoffs have already begun. I think I’ll talk to the family about starting our own garden this Spring. We may need it…
The tragedy of the Bush legacy is that the people pay with their lives. He and his ilk will never feel pain. A ghost writer will write a myth about the family and it will be considered just as factual as any criticism of his administration.
But the words in blogs will be quite a read for historians and will stand as truth to the Bush legacy.
Making ends meet, for most folks has become the only game in town.
The economy is fine until the bottom tier wealthy feel it.
Of cours, by then, it’s in the shitter.
That time would be his week.
Bread lines full of citizens greatful that gays cannot marry.
I have done a little kitchen garden just about every year that I’ve been able to plant. Three or four tomato plants, some peppers, lettuce, herbs, cucumbers and a zucchini or two. Nothing huge, and I intersperse the veggies among my flowers because our yard isn’t that large. And we get more than enough for us and some to give out to neighbors as well…
Perhaps we ought to think in terms of “Victory Garden”. I’m being serious here!
Did the economy ever actually recover from the post 9/11 recession? I don’t think so.
Yep. And the wingers will still believe that when they are on the street with a tin cup.
anecdotal, but I see more for-sale signs around the subdivison neighborhood here where I often walk the dog (good sidewalks, bad ankle) another one here, another one there, they’re starting to add up.
Maybe part of the Bush legacy will be the end of the Bush dynasty. It should be the end of the Repulbic Party, but the Democratic leadership will prevent that from happening.
Where’s Selise?
Seriously encourage anyone thinking about doing something small to check out Square Foot Gardening. Great book, easy tips, and it works.
It takes so little to reap so much from the earth. The earth is truly generous. It’s amazing how abundant two tomato plants are. I am going to try pot gardening this year. (No not that kind of pot - in a pot).
just make sure you don’t run afoul of Monsanto.
I don’t think most people realize how serious an economic depression would be these days. I am not here just speaking of day to day economic survival, but it would, in my view start a world war.
We’ve done some container gardening, ususally cherry tomato plants, and last year an experiment (successful) with Alpine strawberries. Household is Mom, me and my sister. I’ve been more into flowers than veggies — good to know it doesn’t take much room.
Mom grew up during the Depression and my Grandfather had a big garden. Good thing I enjoy working with plants!
sorry for the OT: ap reporting actor heath ledger found dead. no further details.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....106S17.DTL
”people who make the decision to walk away from their vast mortagage payment aren’t the sort of folks who will be buying more Jimmy Choos any time soon, now are they? ”
Christy I can’t wait for my new cell phone to arrive tomorrow because it means i can place a call to Joe Biden’s office, which will go something like this:
”I know the bankruptcy reform Act of 2005 was a big achievement for Senator Biden because it made sure that consumers were responsible for their credit card debt. I was wondering though if you could tell me which is worse: people who walk away from a median debt of $2,200 or people who walk away from hundreds of thousands in mortgage debt.
Just askin’…”
Haven’t seen her in a few days. She was working on a project for her nephews last time we chatted…
The economy didn’t really recover from the internet/energy bubble.
Money fled to the ’safe haven’ of real estate, and unfettered greed coupled with a total lack of oversight allowed that bubble to build atop the prior excess.
What we will see is two ‘corrections’ for the price of one (administration).
This is unfettered free market capitalism at it’s worst.
Consumerism is two-thirds of our GDP. How long did anyone really believe that a consumerism based economy could last? Real jobs shipped overseas replaced with service and financial jobs. Bush’s War not financed by tax increases, instead the rich got tax cuts and the war financed by foreign holders of our debt. Homeowners believed their home quadrupled in value and pulled out “equity”
tofinance vacations, SUV’s, granite countertops, and payoff credit cardsand believed a money tree was growing in the backyard. Bush’s economy was a scam created in 1999 under the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act which provided the catalyst for Banks Gone Wild.med bills 500 (continuous due to lack of regulated health insurance)
health insurance 650
house payments, taxes, insurance 2200
(house refied multiply times for health bills)
utilities 160-300
credit cards 300 (minimum payments)
misc 250
food and meds 800
self employed
no income in three months
looking for work for months
nothing paid this month but food
about to lose health insurance for chronically ill spouse
fucked
I told my husband we aren’t alone in this. He blames himself. He says not being alone doesn’t help. I have a headache.
Should I click on Submit Comment? Am I being whiney? Have you heard this enough from me?
I’m lucky to live in a serious recycling township. Every Spring they offer classes and composters to any interested resident. Plus they compost all our leaves and other plant matter for our use. And nothing enriches a soil like compost.
It’s already part of the wikioedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Ledger
Hugs, mary…not whiny at all. Reality sucks for far too many people at the moment.
I’ve definately been feeling pinched for many years.
I’m in a neighborhood that’s considered a very desirable area to live in our town, and houses that used to sell in less than a month have been up for sale for three to six months without a nibble. Most of them are now sporting “price reduced” signs.
If it’s that bad in a popular area, what is happening elsewhere?
Have you seen tomato plants growing upside down out of plastic buckets?
way cool.
You can hang them off the eaves.
Do you qualify for Social Security Disability? Your husband should.
Our trash folks also pick up organic material for composting. I think I’m going to check out how to get a load of compostfor our yard this year before I plant. Thanks for the reminder!
Bush better start his next war pretty soon, or he’ll be fighting Americans in the streets.
I’m going to try that this year…if I ever get around to it….procrastination…but this year it means food! Is there anything else you can grow that way? Peppers?
A 12 year old girl wearing (just) a tshirt that says “
“
I feel like I need to hide the browser window when the kids come in the room.
Saw those last Spring — looked like they’d be fun to try. Making a note in my planner to check with my favorite nursery for them!
Don’t see why not, as long as you can keep the root ball stable.
Thankfully, Republics attepts at “reform” failed.
start your kitchen countertop composters now, pups.
Rep Pomeroy recently held a hearing locally on the serious backlog in processing social security disability cases…backlog as much as two years…more Grover Norquist compassionate conservatism for the overwhelmed civil servants.
Dance, ideologues, dance….
http://www.ssa.gov/disability/
It might help…?
I wonder what Bush will say in his State of the Union Speech. After repeating tax cuts are good for the economy his entire term he should start to experience public backlash against that term.
Believe me you are not alone. There are millions of others in the boat with you. And it should never have come to this for so many folks. You are not being “whiney”. I know who to blame for these types of situations. And he currently sits in the White House.
Hanging tomato and strawberry plants instead of flower baskets is something I will seriously think of doing this year.
On the ad questions, if anyone knows of a better way to fully fund the blog, I’m all ears. Otherwise, the ad revenue covers server and other costs for us that are not being covered any other way unless we suck Jane’s savings account dry, which I for one am not willing to do.
And the ads we get come through a rotating brokered account, as I understand it, whose content changes each time you refresh your screen. So, if there is a particular ad you don’t like, you can refresh your screen and it should be gone. Voila, instant change.
We first need to change the party. Then we change the system.
My husband’s doctor said he wasn’t disabled regardless of having heart disease, migraines, gout, diverticulitus, peripheral artery disease, and degenerative arthritis in his back.
We are thinking of getting a divorce so if either of us has a medical mishap (you know-like-get sick) then the other won’t have the debt.
The secret to Mittmentum has been discovered in Malkinville:
Mitt Romney seems to have gotten a surge of support from Ann Coulter endorsing him, Ann Coulter being another one, like Rush, whose demise of influence the MSM so desperately wishes for that it keeps wrongly calling it.
He’s gotten the much vaunted Coulter Boost.
-G