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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1216575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t get too comfortable Sona, the world hasn’t decoupled.  The recession isn’t just going to hurt the US.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t get too comfortable Sona, the world hasn’t decoupled.  The recession isn’t just going to hurt the US.</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1216162</link>
		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Too many otherwise rational people seem to advocating high tariffs to protect US industry.  It will not work and in fact will be counterproductive  in ameliorating the current recession and make the next one even bigger and an inevitable certainty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Protectionism will not work for a number of reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
- what US industry will you be protecting?  The automotive?  That is already globally uncompetitive.  How does the US benefit by protecting uncompetitive industries which cannot sell their output overseas or even at home given their consumers’ inability to afford their running costs or their output without going into increasingly unaffordable debt?&lt;br /&gt;
- tariffs work both ways.  A non productive economy reliant on imports is likely to impoverish its own consumers faster with such policies;&lt;br /&gt;
- countries which have used tariffs successfully to develop their own economies in the past have used tariffs against imports with subsidies for domestic production, government assistance in developing export potential and targeted policies to develop the requisite talent/skill pool and infrastructure to promote economic diversity .  Hardly any of these have used tariffs on their own;&lt;br /&gt;
- that last issue highlights the importance of a credible policy making apparatus that works towards augmenting the common wealth in national interest.  Given that most of the investment houses are being bought out by SWFs which work for their governments’ interests, what chance has the US got to develop such a strategic policy apparatus?  These foreign governments do not have to engage in overt lobbying.  They can make corporate decisions to liquidate their investments if they deem the environment to be hostile to their interests.  This will only hasten the next real recession and hopes of recovering at all from the current one very very slim. It is worth bearing in mind that Arab oil producers and China in particular are bailing out the failed businesses as a way to minimise their losses of US$ holdings in the short to medium term.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tariffs suggest a desire to retreat into isolationism.  That’s akin to burying your head in the sand rather than facing issues to chart a way forward out of this morass.  The world is not going to evaporate just because the US decides it isn’t there.  How in heaven’s name are you going sell your major export of lethal WMDs to a so called nonexistent world?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The recession is going to hurt.  Look at it as the pain of initiation into responsible maturity from a self centred profligate adolescence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many otherwise rational people seem to advocating high tariffs to protect US industry.  It will not work and in fact will be counterproductive  in ameliorating the current recession and make the next one even bigger and an inevitable certainty.</p>
<p>Protectionism will not work for a number of reasons:<br />
- what US industry will you be protecting?  The automotive?  That is already globally uncompetitive.  How does the US benefit by protecting uncompetitive industries which cannot sell their output overseas or even at home given their consumers’ inability to afford their running costs or their output without going into increasingly unaffordable debt?<br />
- tariffs work both ways.  A non productive economy reliant on imports is likely to impoverish its own consumers faster with such policies;<br />
- countries which have used tariffs successfully to develop their own economies in the past have used tariffs against imports with subsidies for domestic production, government assistance in developing export potential and targeted policies to develop the requisite talent/skill pool and infrastructure to promote economic diversity .  Hardly any of these have used tariffs on their own;<br />
- that last issue highlights the importance of a credible policy making apparatus that works towards augmenting the common wealth in national interest.  Given that most of the investment houses are being bought out by SWFs which work for their governments’ interests, what chance has the US got to develop such a strategic policy apparatus?  These foreign governments do not have to engage in overt lobbying.  They can make corporate decisions to liquidate their investments if they deem the environment to be hostile to their interests.  This will only hasten the next real recession and hopes of recovering at all from the current one very very slim. It is worth bearing in mind that Arab oil producers and China in particular are bailing out the failed businesses as a way to minimise their losses of US$ holdings in the short to medium term.</p>
<p>Tariffs suggest a desire to retreat into isolationism.  That’s akin to burying your head in the sand rather than facing issues to chart a way forward out of this morass.  The world is not going to evaporate just because the US decides it isn’t there.  How in heaven’s name are you going sell your major export of lethal WMDs to a so called nonexistent world?</p>
<p>The recession is going to hurt.  Look at it as the pain of initiation into responsible maturity from a self centred profligate adolescence.</p>
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		<title>By: sagewater2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215551</link>
		<dc:creator>sagewater2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate what you’ve written here. Several members of my family are extreme right-wingers, as well as fundamentalist Christians. All my efforts to have a coherent conversation with them about facts connected with health care, the environment, the economy, you name it, is like talking to a giant stone wall. This experience has convinced me that denial, not the laws of nature or physics, is the strongest force in the universe. If it truly insane to believe things completely disconnected from reality (i.e. the facts), then there is no doubt that you are absolutely correct: This country is largely insane and we are now living with the devastating consequences. Frankly, I’m not confident whether change is even possible with these people. My experience is that they just continue to explain the terrible circumstances the rest of us are anquished about in terms of their own fairy-tale narratives. I suspect the only way to back off a bit from the abyss is if a majority of US voters, assuming there is one, who actually have a mature, reasoned perspective and judgment can steal away the wheel of power once again and then marginalize these forces of insanity, especially by getting the moneyed interest back under control, maybe there’s some hope we can make a little progress in a forward direction. But it still seems to me we can only stuff that evil genie back into the bottle for so long. If my dealings with me family have taught me anything it is that darker forces of the unconscious seems to drive a need for humans to impose own stories on the world. It looks to me like our entire nation is in need of serious therapy or a severe comeuppance, or probably both.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate what you’ve written here. Several members of my family are extreme right-wingers, as well as fundamentalist Christians. All my efforts to have a coherent conversation with them about facts connected with health care, the environment, the economy, you name it, is like talking to a giant stone wall. This experience has convinced me that denial, not the laws of nature or physics, is the strongest force in the universe. If it truly insane to believe things completely disconnected from reality (i.e. the facts), then there is no doubt that you are absolutely correct: This country is largely insane and we are now living with the devastating consequences. Frankly, I’m not confident whether change is even possible with these people. My experience is that they just continue to explain the terrible circumstances the rest of us are anquished about in terms of their own fairy-tale narratives. I suspect the only way to back off a bit from the abyss is if a majority of US voters, assuming there is one, who actually have a mature, reasoned perspective and judgment can steal away the wheel of power once again and then marginalize these forces of insanity, especially by getting the moneyed interest back under control, maybe there’s some hope we can make a little progress in a forward direction. But it still seems to me we can only stuff that evil genie back into the bottle for so long. If my dealings with me family have taught me anything it is that darker forces of the unconscious seems to drive a need for humans to impose own stories on the world. It looks to me like our entire nation is in need of serious therapy or a severe comeuppance, or probably both.</p>
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		<title>By: njr83</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215405</link>
		<dc:creator>njr83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;policies that work in every other country in the world that ever tried them somehow won’t work in the US. They will, if they’re tried honestly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ian,  there cannot be much profit in honesty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>policies that work in every other country in the world that ever tried them somehow won’t work in the US. They will, if they’re tried honestly.</p>
<p>Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.</p>
<p>Ian,  there cannot be much profit in honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: njr83</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215346</link>
		<dc:creator>njr83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had a great reply going…          but thought…&lt;br /&gt;
my,  my,       what a post Ian has here.          He’s already said better than my agreement could convey…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;agreement, indeed…              and hope we can move forward from here!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a great reply going…          but thought…<br />
my,  my,       what a post Ian has here.          He’s already said better than my agreement could convey…</p>
<p>agreement, indeed…              and hope we can move forward from here!</p>
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		<title>By: TBoy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215340</link>
		<dc:creator>TBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Get out of debt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are posting comments that agree with Ian’s fine work and you are in debt or getting ready to go into debt then you are part of the insanity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stop it. Start tonight. You’ve got to break free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TBoy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get out of debt.</p>
<p>If you are posting comments that agree with Ian’s fine work and you are in debt or getting ready to go into debt then you are part of the insanity.</p>
<p>Stop it. Start tonight. You’ve got to break free.</p>
<p>TBoy</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very good points, especially the spreadsheet audit and the privacy. Embedded assumptions are extremely dangerous.  I’ve run the spreadsheets and been spreadsheeted and the conclusion I came to at the end was I didn’t trust anyone else’s spreadsheets and only half trust mine.  I also decided that if I ever run a major department or business that my key metrics will be hidden from my underlings.  I’ll make them report stuff, sure, but what I’ll be watching for is when it diverges from proper correlation with the stats I’m really watching.  When it does I’ll know someone’s lying to me with numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve seen entire departments be effectively destroyed by “managing what you can measure”, then measuring the wrong things and not understanding what was important that couldn’t be measured.  It still makes me angry to this day and is one of the main reasons I quit my last corporate job.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points, especially the spreadsheet audit and the privacy. Embedded assumptions are extremely dangerous.  I’ve run the spreadsheets and been spreadsheeted and the conclusion I came to at the end was I didn’t trust anyone else’s spreadsheets and only half trust mine.  I also decided that if I ever run a major department or business that my key metrics will be hidden from my underlings.  I’ll make them report stuff, sure, but what I’ll be watching for is when it diverges from proper correlation with the stats I’m really watching.  When it does I’ll know someone’s lying to me with numbers.</p>
<p>I’ve seen entire departments be effectively destroyed by “managing what you can measure”, then measuring the wrong things and not understanding what was important that couldn’t be measured.  It still makes me angry to this day and is one of the main reasons I quit my last corporate job.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryRacine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215276</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryRacine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s another downside to spreadsheets - the privacy they offer.  Back in the elder days, in order to run a report, one had to make a request, with a reason why.  Someone else had to approve it, and other people were involved with the computation, printing, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you said “I want to run a report to find out how much more money I would get in my annual bonus if we fired all the janitors and hired a cleaning company,” you’d have been looked at like you had three heads.  But now the numbers can be run on your own computer, no one else needs to know until you’ve figured out how to sell the cuts and/or hide how much will end up in your own pocket.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spreadsheets are also dangerous because unless you go through and personally doublecheck every formula, all sorts of shit can get finessed.  I had a boss who always got copies of the spreadsheets and did a formula audit.  Amazing how people will believe anything that comes out of a spreadsheet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s another downside to spreadsheets &#8211; the privacy they offer.  Back in the elder days, in order to run a report, one had to make a request, with a reason why.  Someone else had to approve it, and other people were involved with the computation, printing, etc.</p>
<p>If you said “I want to run a report to find out how much more money I would get in my annual bonus if we fired all the janitors and hired a cleaning company,” you’d have been looked at like you had three heads.  But now the numbers can be run on your own computer, no one else needs to know until you’ve figured out how to sell the cuts and/or hide how much will end up in your own pocket.</p>
<p>Spreadsheets are also dangerous because unless you go through and personally doublecheck every formula, all sorts of shit can get finessed.  I had a boss who always got copies of the spreadsheets and did a formula audit.  Amazing how people will believe anything that comes out of a spreadsheet.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215273</link>
		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With all due respect the problem is far more profound than the U.S. We as a species have been driven crazy by inferiority. We use capitalism and nationalism to distinguish ourselves from the rest of humanity. It is insane to believe one human is better than another because he or she is richer, has a higher (more powerful) position, or is of a certain nationality or race. In the long run, as Lord Keynes said, we’ll all be dead. That includes the people who, for one reason or another, think they’re special.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marx said capitalist countries would be first to embrace communism. Didn’t turn out to be true because the average worker dreams of making it and is so mired in the standard fantasy he is not deterred by long odds. That’s why lotteries work. You can’t win if you don’t play, but you won’t win if you play.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The solution is utopia, classless societies, but liberals on this blog don’t see utopia as a reasonable solution because human nature won’t allow it. (more negative imagery) and we, individualists all, don’t like the idea of being just one of the bunch, although that is what we are. We can’t escape our humanity no matter what delusions society offers to persuade us that we can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian</p>
<p>With all due respect the problem is far more profound than the U.S. We as a species have been driven crazy by inferiority. We use capitalism and nationalism to distinguish ourselves from the rest of humanity. It is insane to believe one human is better than another because he or she is richer, has a higher (more powerful) position, or is of a certain nationality or race. In the long run, as Lord Keynes said, we’ll all be dead. That includes the people who, for one reason or another, think they’re special.</p>
<p>Marx said capitalist countries would be first to embrace communism. Didn’t turn out to be true because the average worker dreams of making it and is so mired in the standard fantasy he is not deterred by long odds. That’s why lotteries work. You can’t win if you don’t play, but you won’t win if you play.</p>
<p>The solution is utopia, classless societies, but liberals on this blog don’t see utopia as a reasonable solution because human nature won’t allow it. (more negative imagery) and we, individualists all, don’t like the idea of being just one of the bunch, although that is what we are. We can’t escape our humanity no matter what delusions society offers to persuade us that we can.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/20/essential-insanity/#comment-1215267</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this post, Ian. Cuts to the bone, as is needed and as we deserve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, Ian. Cuts to the bone, as is needed and as we deserve.</p>
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