I’d prefer that he not praise our enemy and I would prefer that Obama not mention Reagan in any light, but that which he deserves for his policies.

It is sad when some of the Democratic base, and I’m very much part of the liberal base of Democrats is so twitchy and finicky that someone can’t praise that another party’s President had a method of change that worked for him, while clearly criticizing the actual ideas.

And it’s amusing to me that those people who are so reactive, have ignored that the only other person in contention to win the Democratic nomination now, Clinton said the exact same thing as Obama did, and it was captured on MTP Sunday morning:

TIM RUSSERT: And in 2002, after the Democrats lost the midterm elections, William Jefferson Clinton said, “The Democrats have to have ideas to win. We are MIA, missing in action on national security and have no positive plan for America’s domestic future.”

TOM BROKAW: In my book, “Boom”…she says that Ronald Reagan plays the music beautifully, and she talked about how he balanced the interests of the middle class and took on the Soviets.

So, here’s my proposition: whichever of democratic candidate will get their ass back to Washington for a few days and show leadership in the (likely futile) fight against telco/BushCo immunity will have my vote on Super Tuesday and my full support for the rest of the campaign.

Your beef is with Harry Reid–have you written or phoned his office?

Reid scheduled the vote for this week or early next. They will be campaigning hot and heavy in SC and Fla. for the primary for the Presidency, and for Super Tuesday. That’s why they ain’t goin’ back–and not one person would at that point, even Dodd.

The vote on S.2248 has pretty much been packaged for Immunity to pass. Again Harry Reid.

There needs to be a 3/5 majority for two central moves on this bill in the Senate (House has passed No Immunity and that will go to Conference Committee with the Senate’s bill but)

1) It takes 3/5 or 60 votes to stop a fillibuster. Compliant Bush Dems and Bushy Dittohead Republicans supply this easily.

2) It takes 3/5 or 60 votes to amend the bill Reid brought to the floor (the S.S.I.C. bill from Jello the Jay). Compliant Bush Dems and Bushy Dittohead Republicans won’t supply this.

See, it’s crap like this that makes me wonder just what race Obama is running – a Democratic Primary, or a General Election. Big difference in message. Been there myself. This is why Edwards needs to stay in the race to keep everyone else talking to the base and addressing topics important to us.

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wigwam@41

I agree with Stoller. Obama dissed the liberals. He was a fuckhead insensitive. And the “very liberal” segment of the Democratic caucus goers in Nevada retaliated.

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hackworth@14

I’m afraid to go to Crooks And Liars to see Obama get on his knees for Reagan. Is it there? Do I really want to see it? I know I would be disgusted

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Hmmm…..I wonder…I wonder….what the Clintons might ay about ideas and Reagan….hmmmm….if only there were a way to find out…

Whoa–my DVR just transition from Brett Favre’s interception and what have we here. MTP and Brokaw is talking about his interview with Senator Clinton and her utterances on Raegan…hmmm…let’s lookee lookee:

From MTP Sunday morning–Brokaw quoting Clinton from his book interview of her:

The Hill & Bill Show Gets Exposed On Meet The Press

TIM RUSSERT: And in 2002, after the Democrats lost the midterm elections, William Jefferson Clinton said, “The Democrats have to have ideas to win. We are MIA, missing in action on national security and have no positive plan for America’s domestic future.”

TOM BROKAW: In my book, “Boom”…she says that Ronald Reagan plays the music beautifully, and she talked about how he balanced the interests of the middle class and took on the Soviets.

JON MEACHAM: I think this is a closely argued, closely fought election on both sides. And the one person, which Mike Gerson makes this point for us this week, who could in fact unite the Republican Party, is Hillary Clinton..

I wouldn’t want President Truman getting up in a press conference, or in an interview, and denying that Stalin had managed to intimidate and control Eastern Europe. I’d want him instead to acknowledge it.
But your analogy is flawed.

Would you want a President Truman getting up in a press conference, or in an interview, and denying that Stalin had managed to build a powerful economy and military after centuries of poverty in Russia or would you want him to acknowledge it?

I’d prefer that he not praise our enemy and I would prefer that Obama not mention Reagan in any light, but that which he deserves for his policies.

Whatever the intent or reality of Obama’s move, the distraction to reagan has been a tremendous damage to democrats in general

If he wanted to attract “Reagan Democrats”, then he should have pointed to policies and approach which might have attracted them. Instead he appealed to their feelings toward Reagan himself. That kind of tactic isn’t very appealing and reminds me of Republican tactics. Of course, the worst thing he could do would be to sell his soul entirely and offer policies which appeal to the Right. That would be entirely unacceptable.

I could say what Obama did it would do no harm. Obama is running for president and has a different responsibility. Is he naive? I think he’s green, naive and unappealing in some other ways too.

I don’t like the cut of his jib.

Hillary has a list of both Reagan and Bush Sr. as being her favorite presidents (with others) on her website.

Serious? Wow, that’s stupid. I sure hope she just meant in personal terms and not in terms of their administrations.

Geez, the list of reasons to dislike Obama and Clinton just keeps growing. When will ’some people’ get it? It’s like the list of impeachable offenses: when will Nancy ‘get it’?

Also, consider this; There will be people voting in this election who were born in 1990. Vietnam, Kennedy, & Watergate are ancient history to them.

While true, it’s really a shame. We are the bleeding edge of the Western Civilization which has been developing for a very long time. To ignore that past is to ignore who we are and what we have been and how that can inform us of where we should go next. It’s a longish story, but an important one. Republicans have been bashing it so long I guess some people have forgotten it and our part in it.

I asked him why. And he said, ‘he made people like me feel better about ourselves.’

Political escapism. The world is too scary. It’s like a drug addiction. Well, now we’re facing something nasty and those same people crave Obama’s gentle words of hope. Lord save us!

Generally by the time we’re sixty, we prefer to be referred to as women.