Howie is calling it the "South Carolina Pygmy Primary." I don’t think I’ll ever refer to a GOP primary as anything else.
. Meanwhile, Rahm tells Bubba to STFU:
Prominent Democrats are upset with the aggressive role that Bill Clinton is playing in the 2008 campaign, a role they believe is inappropriate for a former president and the titular head of the Democratic Party. In recent weeks, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, both currently neutral in the Democratic contest, have told their old friend heatedly on the phone that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Sen. Barack Obama, according to two sources familiar with the conversations who asked for anonymity because of their sensitive nature. Clinton, Kennedy and Emanuel all declined to comment.
. Obama campaign making accusations of voting irregularities against Clinton in Nevada, claims that they nonetheless have 13 delegates to Clinton’s 12 and are calling it a victory.
. Ron Paul beats McCain in Nevada by a handful of votes, but a win is a win.
. With 5% of SC precincts reporting — McCain 35%, Huckabee 28%, Romney 16%, Thompson 13%, Ron Paul 4%, 9iu11iani 3%. Statistically insignificant Duncan Hunter drops out of the race. CNN says McCain doing much better among evangelical voters than Huckabee is among non-evangelical voters.
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Bill. Be still.
Zed. And can someone please explain why the caucus numbers in Nevada are so low? Did only 5000 really vote for Clinton and Obama respectively?
Gee Rahm telling Bill to STFU.
Pot meet Kettle.
I don’t see any angst in ole Fred’s concession speech or quitting the election highlighting federalism at the wiretapping of Americans and the archving of their emails and searches.
I didn’t see any frigging refrence to the shredding of civil rights by the Unitary DOJ the consigliere for the unitary executive.
Yet another pre-masticated, pseudo-democratic primary horse race.
From the Nevada thread downstairs:
As Hunter Thompson said: When the going turns wierd, the wierd turn PRO.
Anyone besides me get disgusted by posters who say “Boo hoo, I’m for Edwards but, gosh, maybe the always-truthful media is right: John should try to be someone’s VP or angle for Attorney General.” ?
How about people who decry playing the gender card or the race card … but can not accept that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are NOT agents of genuine change; both sport $100 Million campaign war chests from corporate lobbyists who don’t care which card gets played in the Democratic nominee — woman or black — because both are bought out by the for-profit health and war machines. And both will lose against virtually any likely GOP nominee.
So, not playing the gender or race card means pretending to not notice how retro, non-progressive and undemocratic — say nothing of unelectable — both are? I don’t see that positioning on HRC or BO as liberal, non-divisive or a step in the right direction. I see it as painfully naive and non-reality based politics.
And if I point out this LaLa Land Magical Political Thinking, then I get called anti-female (i.e., anti-me :-O), crypto-racist (good one! hahaha I still think we all got lots of ’splaining to do, Lucy, regarding Native Americans … the Square One targets of American genocide and racism) OR I hate this one the most: I get told how much better Democrats are than Republicans. Duh-oh. Thanks for the tip on that one, oh child of the cave.
THUS: In line with Hunter Thompson (above) and William Burroughs, Jr. — who said a paranoid is the person with all the facts at his/her disposal — I tend to think there is some other kharmic chess game sh*t going on here.
When people willfully ignore Barack Obama’s GOP Vote Fraud style of qualifying for elections in the Illinois Senate and US Senate (check out the Chicago Trib investigation and BlackAgendaReport.com) …
When people persistently choose to ignore Hillary Clinton’s atavistic DLC credentials, with all the lobbying PAC money and Corporatist Defender Woman baggage …
And when we hear people like John Kerry, Gary Hart, Senator Progressive Patriots Fund Russ Feingold, allegedly-sane Pat Leahy of Guerrilla Vermont, and who-cares ersatz Democrat pundit O’Donnell GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to diss John Edwards …
When we hear Edwards box Obama’s green ears twice in one day — Jan 18, 2008 on drooling over that ole class warfarist/union busting/Alzheimer’s ridden Reagan; and whacking BO upside the head for sitting 5 ft from Edwards during the Nevada debates and promising to stop the divisive politics, then lyingly/hypocritically condoning dirty and malicious UNITE spots against Hillary Clinton … whom Edwards defended Bwhaaaaaaa …
I do believe we’re seeing a potential All-Time Historic Cold Cock of the American Crypto-Fascists underway. I don’t think Hillary Clinton is what we need in a president; DITTO Obama. But neither do I think either one of them is an idiot. (Why else would Obama act like a buffoon sometimes during the Nevada debate: ooops I can’t keep up with my paperwork so make me Prez and I’ll lose that Presidential Briefing Memo on terror attacks? Or Let’s see how many tender Dems vote for me if I start rimming Ronnie Alzheimer’s Reagan’s ass. Aha! I did it. My supporters don’t even know who RayGuns was!) Why else would Hillary Clinton defend — defiantly and stamping her foot! — defend the dozens of million of buckaroos she swallows from Big Health Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Defense Contractors, et. al? Irony? Hypocrisy? Or warm-up for Comedy Club?
I think there is a giant cold cock going on here. Someday I’d like to get Russ Feingold drunk and beat the game outta him. But, I, for one, am not going to go mewling and puking off into the sunset right now … looking for job openings for “failed John Edwards.” Don’t buy that meme, thanks.
[RBG Note; metaphorically speaking, no doubt?]
Hey Jane, kiddo, cinnamonape, dakine. We have a tornado warning here in Central Florida. We have no basements. No sireeens or warning system of any kind. We just sit and wait an’ hope we don’t get creamed. I may end my sabbatical from the campaign a week early.
Unfair to pygmies!
Tonight I might just be the luckiest Demo voter on the face of the Earth. Because if comes down to Senator Obama or Senator Clinton in the primaries, I can say at this point, I don’t care which of these two wins.
I think statistically insignificant 9iu11iani (LOL) ought to drop out too!
I’m also puzzled how Obama won one more delegate than Clinton in Nevada without winning the General vote? Does this have something to do with him winning more precincts or caucuses?
He didn’t concede. He’s still in.
Those low numbers you see are numbers of delegates to the county conventions that were elected today. The Nevada party will not be reporting actual breakouts of participants in their caucuses. But the total number of participants in the Democratic caucuses is estimated by the party to be 114,000.
There’s a new recommended diary at DKos titled “It’s official ! I’m not switching from Edwards to anyone.”
That’s how I feel.
those are the number of county delegates, i think…
Me too
ol’ fred seemed to be having some trouble breathing…
We live about thirty five miles south west of Lawton. We understand what you are facing all too well. But as my grandmother always used to tell me when the winds came, kiddo, this is Oklahoma. Lahoma and i lived for 11 years in Williston, Fla, between Gainesville and Ocala. If you know where that is. They can have some major weather where you are. Try to stay safe. ;0)
Some precincts and caucuses have more weight than others, depending on their “Democrat”-ness. Weighting the counties results correctly apparently results in a 13-12 split in the eventual delegates to the Democratic National Convention, although it’s unknown whether Clinton or Obama has the 13.
Also, these not-yet-elected national delegates are entirely unpledged; they are not committed to vote for any candidate.
Even though the MSM has been writing his obit since day one. They are supposed to REPORT the news, not SCULPT it!
Well, I haven’t seen too many people here so much as suggesting that the media is even usually right. Quite the contrary. But I have seen the talk about Edwards’s political future, is he in it to be a spoiler so can leverage that into a place on the ticket or a cabinet post. And some people who just honestly want to see the guy in government. I don’t think it’s gonna happen and that’s fine with me. John Edwards just doesn’t need it for a buncha reasons. As far as Gary hart goes….. What was he doin’ at that jag-off convention in Oklahoma City? Not helpin’ the dems, that’s for sure. Not really sure what ya mean by a giant cold-cock goin’ on here. Could ya ’splain that one , please?
LOL. Last time I checked the Bush administration was making a fool out of itself claiming they lost tape backups, and server data and about 5 million emails from the RNC and White house servers but had no clue as to why.
Obama was simply saying he needs organizers around him to track the paperwork. Anyone in the West Wing will have hundreds of them. Obama keeps track of paperwork well enough to navigate Harvard Law School, and the US Senate.
Obama would read the memos that brief him. He wouldn’t have some meglomaniac VP shaping the CIA intelligence to start a war that has killed 4000 soldiers and rendered 50,000 others orthopedically and/or neurologically severe criples.
When told someone had burned 3000 people to death in a strike on New York, he wouldn’t sit down and read “The Pet Goat” to 3rd graders for several minutes.
I’m also puzzled how Obama won one more delegate than Clinton in Nevada without winning the General vote? Does this have something to do with him winning more precincts or caucuses?
if NV is like IA, then the delegates that were elected today are actually going to county conventions, which will elect delegates to the state convention, which will elect the delegates from the state to the national convention — and the apportionment of delegates to each county, which is based on things like voting history, percentage of registered democrats, etc.
So, if the vote was 50-50, but Hillary won in caucuses/counties that were less “Democratic” than Obama, Obama would have an edge.
(please keep in mind that this is based on IA procedure, and I don’t have a freaking clue what they do in Nevada!)
Yeah. I know where that is. They sayin’ anything about te Repub primary? We’re right here in the big O just bein’ sittin’ ducks.
Good luck BF hope any thing passes harmlessly!
Boy, can I relate to that…living in TX. If you live in a house, you need to go to the innermost small room/closet in the center of your house…open some windows, because the house, if hit, is less likely to react to the pressure…and cover yourselves with cushions…if the smallest room is a bathroom, get in the tub and cover with cushions…
If you live in a trailer…get out and go to the lowest place you can find and lie flat…
That is my advice FWIW…stay safe and listen for the “train” sound, if you don’t hear it, it isn’t close.
Geez, that sounds terrible! Good luck to you. I think you’re supposed to get into a tub with a mattress over the top with your loved ones. Stay away from glass. Again, good luck to you!
Well if Obama or Clinton wins the presidency it will be a move up. From below acceptable (Bush) to mediocre. Right?
We like Edwards.
Regarding the tornado…they are usually not very big in Florida, so your chances of getting hit are very narrow.
Congressman James Clyburn (D-SC) calls Nevada “a split decision” due to the delegate count.
We like Edwards.
me too. But right now, the smartest thing that Edwards could do would be to start a rumor that a vote for Edwards was a vote for a brokered convention that Gore could be nominated at! ;-)
Some comfort for Edwards supporters
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..742/439621
Maybe they wont like Hil in the South
You know DaVinci…from my perspective neither Hillary, Obama or Edwards represented a progressive message.
You mention the Clinton/Obama warchests. But just look at Edwards Federal Campaign Statements for both his Senatorial and Presidential Campaigns. Look at how much he has received from a major Hedge Fund group called Fortress Investment Group…which trades in the sub-prime sector (picking up mortgages and foreclosures after the folks hit rock-bottom. i.e. distressed loans) and shelters investments in the Grand Cayman Islands. He received a half million and multi-million stock options in Fortress in their subsidiaries (Eurocastle, Newcastle, and a variety of newspaper publishing and real estate groups).
And Edwards’ Congressional votes and Bills were hardly paragons of what a progressive would support. He championed the Bankruptcy Bill, and (unlike half the Senate Democrats), supported the IAUF. As a VP candidate he actually told Kerry not to retreat from their (mutual) vote on the Iraq Authorization. Kerry wanted to challenge Bush on his authority and “lies” about WMD’s, but Edwards told him to attack the “manner” the war is being fought, but be proud of takin’ out Saddam. Thus Kerry backed away from challenging the legitimacy of the war.
It appeard to be Axelrod spin..From My DD:
link
It will be at least until mid-April that the delegates will be selected.
LOL. Last time I checked the Bush administration was making a fool out of itself claiming they lost tape backups, server data and about 5 million emails from the RNC and White house servers but had no clue as to why.
Obama was simply saying he needs organizers around him to track the paperwork. Anyone in the West Wing will have hundreds of them. Obama keeps track of paperwork well enough to navigate Harvard Law School, and the US Senate.
Obama would read the memos that brief him. He wouldn’t have some meglomaniac VP shaping the CIA intelligence to start a war that has killed 4000 soldiers and rendered 50,000 others orthopedically and/or neurologically severe criples.
When told someone had burned 3000 people to death in a strike on New York, he wouldn’t sit down and read “The Pet Goat” to 3rd graders for several minutes.
Thanks Teddy…the reported numbers seemed VERY, VERY LOW. I imagine the same is true on the Republican side….and thus the figures are not comparable in terms of relative turn-out.
Take care!!!
Actually, the GOP numbers (total about 40,000) are the actual numbers of participants. There were 114,000 Democratic participants and about 40,000 GOPs.
Oh, jeebus, how did Peggy Noonan get on my teevee?
wrt to the “delegates” issue, here’s a similar take from dday, over at digby’s:
[And I see Steve-AR already linked to this.]
It was difficult for me to tell what he was doing. I wonder if he knows?
Piggy Noonan is trying to get rid of Huckster, by saying that if he doesn’t win SC his candidacy is toast…not so….all across America, there are evangelicals that will vote for him. The fact that he is so close to McCain is good for him, not bad. I bet he wins FL.
http://greenvilleonline.com/ap…..ory=NEWS03
Good results page
Maybe when he wakes up, he’ll tell us. ZZZZZZZZ…I think he will hang in there and then ramp up his energy as time goes on, but I’m wrong on everything I think about how this whole deal is going…Cheney’s daughter is on his campaign staff, and that is what makes me think he’ll hang in there, at least for awhile and go for VP perhaps.
for those of you who care about this kind of thing…
CNN just “adjusted” its exit poll results. It started out 52% male, 48% Female, with Huckabee getting 26% of the male vote, and 30% of the female vote, and McCain getting 30% of the male vote, and 33% of the female vote.
Now its 51% male, 49% Female, with Huckabee getting 26% of the male vote, and 30% of the female vote, and McCain getting 31% of the male vote, and 33% of the female vote.
Ooooh, McMaverick is a bridesmaid again?
COOL!
I can’t wait for another picture of that swollen pustule Lieberman looking like he just swallowed a whole lemon.
I just “read” through the NV Dem Party Caucus doc..The process today is just the first step and the results are non-binding. No National delegates were selected. The final delegate selection will occur on April 19..So any campaign talking about 12 or 13 delegates is just BS.
But if Nevada’s just a beauty contest, then the state party should report actual numbers of participants for each candidate, not county convention delegates elected. This would be an acknowledgment that, as the state party chair has said, none of these delegates or any delegates at any level, are pledged.
kiddo and Lahoma,
I’m the reverse of you guys. I grew up in Claremore and now live in Gainesville. The storms finished here a few hours ago.
I like Edwards, too.
Pete Pierce at 21:
And Kiddo at 27:
You’ll get no argument from me on either of those comments. But they both fall into the water barrel of: ANY DEMOCRAT IS BETTER THAN ANY REPUBLICAN.
And that is not the nut of the matter. Cuz “any” Democrat can not win against “any” Republican. (Except for Edwards, according to the head-to-head surveys of Rasmussen and CNN.)
Puts us right back at minus-square one. Why are so many “luminaries” of the Democratic party (Kerry to Leahy to Feingold) tripping over themselves to endorse Barack Obama?? Me thinks there’s some master chess game cold cock going on here. But a “good” and “just” cold cock.
I think that Howard Feinman on MSNBC nailed it–he’s trying to figure out how to stay in to help McCain who has to be his choice.
Two areas hard to master: The manuevering to stay in a campaign to help a frontrunner, and the backroom deals for delegates and super delegates that inevitably take place when the primaries/caucuses are tight.
That is a good results page. Before looking at that page, returns I viewed on other sites indicated that Greenville County’s precincts have not yet reported their results.
If Greenville/Spartanburg are the outstanding votes in SCarolina, as Keith just said, then this could be a long night, and a tighter race than it appears. That’s where the fundies are, but that’s where the snow was predicted.
Then why are all these people declaring victory and playing “who’s on first?” Sounds like a big waste of time to me.
The Huckster is now within 3%. Might be a long night.
It’s not “BS” though the eventual votes might change, as of today, this is how the delegates line up … and every campaign spins towards good news – that’s part of the game.
Look, HRC won the popular vote but had a harder time than expected not that long ago … Obama did not win but did well in some key areas that are weighted towards delegates (which may be a sign of a smart field operation)
Bob Jones U in Greenville. Except for the city proper it is way fundie.
The evangelicals are gonna vote for Huck, because for one thing, they got called wackos by the Neocons, and Huck is not a Neocon.
Hey you know, I think old Bill does need a Chill Pill for Hill.
Seriously, when I watched the heated exchange with the Calif. reporter in Napa, I thought Bill needed to stand down. It also reminded me of what I didn’t like about him: his ability to deny things by making an ultra specific statement: I have nothing to do with that lawsuit.
There has been no snow today to speak of in Greenville/Spartanburg.
The issue is momentum versus delegates. If a candidate can build momentum, as the incredibly plodding and earnest John Kerry did in 2004, that’s what matters. If no candidate can build momentum this time, then delegates matter because we may have a contested convention.
In other words, when the state convention in Nevada occurs on April 19th, if the nominee is still unknown, then the delegates will probably reflect the 13-12 split in Obama’s favor. But if the nominee is known by that time, they will probably all be for that nominee.
I really respectfully beg to differ with that assessment, and I can find scores of polls that show Obama and Clinton beating any pathetic Republican candidate that they have to dance with now that they done brung ‘em.
I think that in demographics that matter/make a difference in the general, you’re going to see a record turnout for Democrats–among African Americans, Hispanics, women and white voters all across the board.
We don’t actually know whether HRC won the popular vote, as the Nevada Democratic party will not be releasing participant counts. What she did win was the election of delegates to the county conventions next month.
Whether she won the popular turnout is unknown.
I agree. S. Carolina keeps McCain in the race if he wins. And Huckabee is going to keep winning delegates…playing for the convention. And Freddy win likely stay in until the Super-Tuesday next month, he beat Mitty.
It’s Mitty who has to be mildly disappointed.
So they are all still innit…nothing is any more clear than it was when they day dawned. That’s not true on the Democratic side…where it’s become a two person race (my guy did horribly, but I blame it all on the media…and the Courts).
And Giuliani and Duncan Hunter…they are the ones who better call it quits. I’m a bit sad that Rudy doesn’t continue to throw away more $$$, but maybe there’s some Florida road-side Alligator Park he can toss bags of green cash down their maws.
Ding. He is the bigger egoist. I think on some level he is so competitive with her that he doesn’t want her to be successful. His Monica situation is reflective of his behavior and disrespect towards her…by her tolerance of his behavior, he further disrespects her.
She probably should have dumped him then. She doesn’t need him for this campaign, but I’m not sure she believes that. Ahhh…to be free of that kind of relationship….been there.
JMHO
Within the margin of error of course.
McCain 33% to Huckabee 29% with 43% reporting on MSNBC.
I can’t think Huckabee without hearing the RedState Update Huckabee campaign slogan: “Huckabee? Fu** Me!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2F96rCnHg
With 47% of Greenville County’s precincts reporting, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are for all practical purposes tied for first place; with 12,106 votes cast so far for them, John McCain leads by 22 votes.
WaPo0’s Chris Cillizza on the Nevada delegate math
Within the margin of error of course.
well, yeah, of course. Plus, you have to remember that these are whole number percentages…and if you maximize all the ’rounding’ to Huckabee’s advantage, he’s around 1% behind McCain.
Wow…sounds like Huckabee is going to get it. Crazy dude, but I’d rather see him win than the Neocons, because that is going to splinter the Pukes completely in the end.
Shuster: Scarolina GOP officials confirm Huck’s campaign’s assertion that not-yet-reported areas are those in the Northwest part of the state.
Down with the Neocons.
I’ll have whatever you’re having…
This ain’t the best recording I’ve ever heard, but the sentiment is right.
How is it in G’Ville these days? I really like north central Fl. ;0)
Sounds like Noron’s numbers show that Fred helped McCain by cutting into Huck’s totals among the talibangelical.
Buchanan…”If Huckabee is moving down”…Huh?
Yeah, this is great. Instead of having someone who will attack Muslim countries for hegemony, we’ll have someone who will attack them to bring about Armageddon. :)
You could be right..but the talk about 13 or 12 or whatever seems like bs. The rules are arcane..The link to the rules can be found here
Actually, although Bill has been criticized for his confrontations with reporters lately, I think she very much needs him in the primary contests, and in the general. I think he opens doors for her among heavy voting blocks.
Rumor had it the Dunkin Hunter election night victory party was scheduled to be held in the back room of a Waffle House.
-G
Hmmm…Thompson is making a fairly good showing…
AP – Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama split the spoils Saturday in Nevada presidential caucuses marred by late charges of dirty politics. John McCain and Mike Huckabee dueled for victory in a hard-fought Republican primary in South Carolina.
Huckabinejad.
-G
Yay, Rachel!!
She ascribes Mitt’s newfound success with the immigant-bashers to Bay Buchanan’s leaving Tancredo’s campaign for the Romney campaign. Pat looked like he was laying a square egg; he’s been calling the GOP race for Romney all night.
Good for her for pointing out the Buchanans’ conflict.
Freddy’s pulling away from Mittster in the current results and the Huckster is going down to the wire with “Son of Cain”. All-in-all good for the Democrats! Anarchy in the GOP!
These jackasses just report spin from the spinners..Why doesn’t he read the damn rules and report on the “facts”.
Yeah, Maddow is smacking Buchanan around good. He can’t keep up.
Buchanan touting the “attrition” plan to rid us of “illegals”: make life so miserable for them here that they’ll eventually go home. “Attrition” is the new torture, and the cons love it.
The GOP-er knife fight will be upgraded to maces and razor blades.
-G
We’re happy here. It’s been a good place to raise the kids. You might not recognize it these days with all the new apartment developments. Several new ones are underway downtown, too. About two blocks of buildings were taken down right at 13h & University for a project that I suspect now will fail. That could be a blight for quite a while.
It’s really sad that our primary means nothing, but I will vote anyway.
One good reason to hope that Huckabee wins this….
There will suddenly be millions of McCain supporters demanding that touch screen voting machines be outlawed.
Pete Pierce at 60:
And that means what, exactly? These record turnout new Democrat voters will vote by gender, race and all the other divisive slice-n-dice factors we hear about daily?? (There was a record turnout by youth and single women in 2004 … which still did NOT overcome Kerry’s wimp factor in places like Ohio; putting Ohio “in play” for GOP vote fraud.) At the end of the day, we still lost.
My point is that we’re hearing about all this gender card, race card divisiveness NOT just from the Rove Republicans and NOT just from backward racist/sexist/non-progressive types. We’re being fanned to gender, race, identity politics from within our own ranks and from the left-of-center Democratic stalwarts (endorsements of Obama; disses of Edwards)
There’s another game going on here, folks. And I’m sorry to go all Richard Dreyfuss in “Close Encounters of 3rd Kind” on you. But I can see the shape in the mashed potatoes; I just don’t know the geo-coordinates (who, why) yet. Still, that Devil’s Tower is there. I know it is. Too much doesn’t compute lately.
George Galloway takes on the crazed neo-con, David Frum. Galloway: “You have killed a million people in Iraq.”
Frum: “There has been great progress there.”
I’m not for Huckabee…I’m against the Neocons, and if it is between Huckabee and a Dem…well I’m thinking the Dem will win. That’s where I’m coming from.
Also, one thing. I do not buy the idea at all that, just because he is an evangelical that he wants to “create” Armageddon. That is completely contrary to even their teachings. Neocons are much more likely to bring on a WWIII scenario that could be “defined” as an Armageddon scenario than an evangelical (unless you elect Pat Robertson himself, because he is plainly batshit crazy, but Huckabee is not)….
Honestly, that is just not realistic. Evangelicals don’t “want” Armageddon, they “believe” that it is “written”…and that it will occur sometime, even if they think that sometime is now, now, now.
If they believed they would be the instigators of Armageddon, they would be in favor of suicide, which they are not.
Keith sez SCarolina is too close to call, but the Democratic Nevada caucuses are impossible to call due to the system’s craziness. “Confusion”
I think enough focus groups have shown Patti Doyle and the rest she very much does need him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d0DKbbv0Lg
“This man is a bag man for the zionists.” Galloway on Frum.
Wow, just think if he told bushco to stfu.
Hill has bill, the last Democratic President of the United States. She’s got the loser guy McCauliff the past head of the DNC and she’s on the board of the DLC. Soooooo I’d say the fix is in, has been in and they’ve embarked on a mission to make it so. All of this is out of bounds in my book. But then I’ve been saying its not about gender or race from the git go. That went on long enough that the voters are now actually living to their labels and have no interest in getting our country back from bushco for ALL Americans. Too late now, that a slippery slope we’re already on….. wheeeeeeee.
Hill will be the nom. The coronation will continue :-)
I’m still squarely behind Edwards, btw. Super Tuesday I vote for John Edwards. See you there! :-)
It means more Democrats vote for their candidate than Republicans in 2008.
I’m not framing anything in the context of gender, race or identity politics. I already voted for Obama and I endorse him, and I’ve found a lot to admire in Edwards and nothing really to diss in the least.
I hope to hell I’m far to the left of center. I see what the center is–it’s the drooling members of the House and Senate who are voting with Bush on every important vote–and could care less about the Constitution being shredded or DOJ running interference for the West Wing.
Bill is ”standing by” his wife, who stood by him during a certain time. As a Man he could do no less.
I dont think we decide…they do
Here is a link for a Salon article on Huckabee’s religious mentors:
Salon
And Huck’s best friend..John Hagee
The most dangerous man in the world is GWB43, who appears to be psychologically messianic, backed up by Cheney, who is a meglomaniac. Cheney will assure that his needs are met. None of these candidates, other than Romney, Ghouliani, and McCain who follow the Neocon globalization theories, are as dangerous as those that are in power right now.
Yeah, but IMO, it doesn’t do much good when there’s so much back-biting in the Democratic Party! We don’t have enough problems with Rethugs, we now have to make the primary a slugfest with accusations of personal slurs, dirty politics or voter suppression on both sides. Heckofa job, Clinton and Obama.
Didja see the Russian general stepping up the rhetoric saying Russia will use nukes if provoked.
Oh that Chimpy, he’s gone and screwed the pooch every which way from Sunday.
Kuwaiti News reporting a suicide bomb attack against US and Iraqi troops killed 8 and wounded many more.
George W. Bush the Reverse Midas turns everything to shit.
-G
Where’s Benito The Bootie Bandit Ghouliani today? Down there at the bottom in the aggregate “Other”?
Good.
LS — don’t worry, I wasn’t attributing any thing to you. Just snarking. And “armageddon” may be the wrong word. But see Steve-AR at 102, and the many posts on huck by Tristero at digby’s.
Re:
You got that in writing? Where are the rules that say the media should abandon its own self interest for the sake of fairness? I am unaware that the media is under any obligation other than to assert its owner’s opinion.
As A.J. Liebling famously quipped, “Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.”
Here’s a couple more bon mots on the role of the press in a closed society…
“The press is the hired agent of a monied system, and set up for no other purpose than to tell lies where their interests are involved. One can trust nobody and nothing.” –Henry B. Adams
“You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month.” —Philip Graham, editor Washington Post commenting on Washington, D.C. in the 1950s.
Well they don’t commit suicide because that would against the prophesy of Daniel. Suicide for a non-Godly purpose is falsehood and a sin. But they also don’t intend to act against prophesy, but to facilitate it coming into being. That’s why they have such strong feelings FOR the establishment of the State of Israel. They are creating the conditions for the prophesy to come about, in their minds. And they also believe that they will be betrayed by an antichrist, who falsely supports Israel but pulls the rug out from underneath them, and supports the Muslims.
Many believe the war will emerge by their efforts to convert Muslims and Jews (the latter being 12,000 virgin male converts from each tribe of Israel…totalling 144,000), which will be blocked with the consequence of many people being martyred.
This of course opens the doors for the GOP voter fraud/suppression accusations against the Democrats in the general election.
I am disgusted with both camps, but I am getting my Monica Lewinsky level contempt for Big Bill back in aces. STFU Bill. Just stop it.
-G
Yeah, yeah, yeah…but Huckabee is not a Hagee, and he knows it. That is just schmooze crappola….Even Huckabee probably knows Hagee is a nutcase…
Huckabee is an “opportunist” and a “poseur”. This guy is not a Hagee or a Robertson…he is using their beliefs, which he is familiar with, to get elected, and he is as stunned as everyone else that people are so stupid as to vote for him….he has said as much…and he is right.
That is why he is beatable.
nice
Heh, heh. Oh, yeah, and besides that, it’s the only way he can get back to living in the WH!
Thanks. Caw, Caw!!!! *g*
Good!! They are as sick of this shizzola as we are.
McCain wins SCarolina, per MSNBC
Jeez, when MSNBC calls it for McCain, I could feel the wind from Matthews’ sigh of relief.
I clicked on CNN just long enough to hear some nitwit chime in that tonights results are good for Rudy 9eleveniani.
-G
Oh, the media twits are just sooooo happy. More & better cocktails on the McCain plane.
My best response to this is:
Don’t believe the lies they tell you, and don’t believe the lies you tell yourself.
Which nitwit? It matters.
33.3% McCain, 29.5% Huck, 79% reporting.
I’m feeling no joy tonight.
*sigh*
Clearly if Thompson hadn’t been in the race, Huck would have won SCarolina. I wonder if McCain will pay Thompson’s campaign debts. They are close friends.
when all is said and done….. a woman will get the presidential nom before an african-american……. its becoming more clear as this silly season wears on and on….. no surprise to this woman ;o}
Question: If McCain wins the Presidency, will it be the first time a non-white person (his daughter) has lived in the White House?
I wonder if Tweety will point out that two-thirds of GOPs rejected McCain.
MSNBC is showing the McCain party. McCain’s team has requested that they adjust the lights so that McCain can READ his speech. Should be another barn-burner.
He’ll send HoJo over to give him a big wet kiss.
That is the Huckster;
link
But dogs have fleas and some really crazy fleas are associated with Huck.
Thompson apparently took away alot of the Huckster voters, so if he drops out before Florida, it could make that race more interesting at the top.
Excellent point.
He’s a musician. He doesn’t want to die in Armageddon.
Oh, jeez, David Gregory fellating McCain’s candidacy now.
No, no, Teddy. 70% rejected a Baptist.
Teddy,
Re:
Do we have any idea who is doing the tabulation? I’ve seen a story, single-sourced and not verified by me, that the Iowa Democratic totals were phoned into a boiler room in Florida and tabulated by an Israeli company. Needless to say, if this is true it doesn’t give me a feeling of confidence about election integrity.
While I didn’t have much more than a tsk, tsk for Bill about the Lewinsky deal (my premise being, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors, and if Hillary could live with it, so could I), I must admit I agree with you that he’s looking like a loose canon that she can’t control. It would surely be best if he’d keep his mouth shut.
You are right about the fleas.
Two-thirds, Tweety. Two-thirds of Republicans rejected McCain tonight in South Carolina.
All right. It was a long and interesting day. I’m off to watch Mythbusters. Rest well, firepups.
Ray, caucuses are party procedures. They aren’t elections.
I suspect that a lot of African Americans have lived in the WH but no Presidential family members that I know of. The only non-Euro American who has be Pres or VP is Charles Curtis.
Best keep that one in your quiver for now…
Tweety sez GOPs like organized lives, not Democratic lives of chaos.
Maybe if Hillary had done this to Bill back in the day….
[is it close enough to Late Night for this?]
oh, no — Noonan again.
tweety is dying to castigate ole hillary…..biting his spitty tongue to keep from saying anything that may be seen as being too hard on her…. look for joey scar to take up the cudgel against ole hillary
WaPo just called it for McCain.
Morning Joe is selling the “must win” argument about SCarolina pretty hard to the panel. Fineman ain’t buyin.
Peggy Danny Noonan is making the passive case that McCain was smeared by the state of South Carolina, not the massive Bush sleazebag machine.
-G
That story is nuts. I guess she had a ball though.
-G
Gene Robinson sez Huck may be done.
huckster up
I’m not at all afraid of Huckabee. I’m afraid of Romney and Blackwater. I’m afraid of checkpoints going from state to state. I’m afraid of conjuring up more preemptive war for profit. I’m afraid of McCain, because he has a “revenge” anger problem. I’m afraid of Bushco, because I’m not sure we’ll get to an election without an “event” that keeps them in power. I’m afraid that the unitary executive theory and that crap they have pulled so far will enable W to decide what is an emergency and who is a terrorist and who can be tortured and who can be spied on. That is what I’m “afraid” of. But, I’m not really “afraid”. I’m afraid that our economy has been destroyed and we won’t be able to work or find work, and that we’ll die because of lack of health care. I’m not really “afraid”, I’m really pissed off.
Wow, Norris only hangs out when Huck wins.
RayDuray at 72:
Ahhhh. I did like that The Revolution Starts Now.
But I’m a “Dirty F*cking Old Hippie.” Oh … for the Hillary Lovers in Youse: HRC took grandstand stands against the non-occurance of Flag Burning (up to endorsing a dumb-ass Constitutional amendment) AND censoring those foul-mouthed music videos that the “kids” like so much.
How far would you stretch for an election carrot?
What LS said.
Rudy…..2%…. He’s getting worse
Remember a while back Fox was saying that evangelicals would overlook Rudy’s stand on abortion because he was just so special. Guess they missed that show.
Huckabee just slammed Bush.
just make sure your papers are in order.
I only got pissed at Bill during the Monica matter after he did the finger waving and then his semi-mea-culpa press conference after getting through the senate itrial.
My dad said: “He can go shit in his hat.”
-G
OMG! Teddy, I think you just solved why Tweety made that comment when he introduced Rachel as an MSNBC political analyst. He said, “I didn’t know that! If I had known, I might have gotten…involved.” Now I remember that it was Rachel who pointed out that, while he kept repeating that two thirds of Democrats rejected Hillary (in the Iowa caucus), two thirds of Democratic voters had also rejected each of the other candidates also.
well-said LS
I don’t think McCain has to have Thompson any longer. Huckabee lost Evangelicals to Fred, but there won’t be near the numbers of them in the states through Super Tuesday.
Ah, hey, all I’ve got’s this pipe Man!
Here’s a way to find out… http://www.politicalcompass.org/index
I’m a -7 on the economic scale and a -4 on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. YMMV. :)
huck has such a shiny veneer….make no mistake he’s dangerous
Oh, and for the record, I’m pissed that the transportation/infrastructure report wants to put “corridors” East and West, North and South across my country; and that we will be charged a tax on gasoline and tolls to make it happen….and they are trying to put it into the bill to “save the economy” that is coming up with the Dems….yeah, I’m really pissed that….Watch out! They are trying to create what is called the North American Union. It is not a conspiracy theory….it is real. It is happening now. Dagnabbit. Don’t let it happen without investigating it.
I wasn’t aware that there is someone advocating government raising our children. Which liberal-fascist is that?
Huckabee is speaking a John Edwards speech.
If Bill Clinton should STFU, then so should Michelle Obama and Elizebeth Edwards. It’s only fair.
They’re making that point on MSNBC too. Huck’s best chance was SC. If he can’t win there, he can’t win anywhere.
LOL!
There’s no doubt that he was a total dog about the whole thing! No excuses for it.
That’s correct.
And if he dooms her, well, we don’t call him the best politician of his age for nothing.
That reminds me – has anyone ever heard Mrs. Huck say a single word? Or Mrs. Mitt? I haven’t..
Fun interactive Nevada caucus map at WaPo0
The Lady Mitt spoke quite gracefully earlier today in Florida.
It was so infuriating that he gave the GOP a simple kudgel to be wielded against him.
It was so foolish.
-G
Heard Mrs. Mitt speak earlier. As unremarkable as she was predictable.
Politics aint fair.
-G
Yeah, and pee up a rope. Make my day….
Missed it. She is very attractive.
Their Bible says they can’t say anything.
Barbie and Ken.
Yeah, that, too! But you get over it, and ultimately he was found not guilty by the Senate and left office with like a sixty percent favorable rating, so I guess I was not alone in forgiving him for his really terrible indiscretion.
Re:
Sorry, I’m not following you here. I’m a PCP in my county Dem Party and our bylaws are incorporated into Oregon statutes. When we vote on something, by golly, it’s the equivalent of an election. Though, of course, the Central Committee generally dispenses with a secret ballot requirement.
My point is that party procedures must follow the by-laws which are legally binding. There isn’t anything casual about that. This isn’t like asking a huddle of friends what they want on their pizza.
McCain will ignite a real civil war in the GOP. Limbaugh is on a personal jihad against him. Bain Capital notwithstanding.
-G
ohhh they’re playing obama’s swan song on misnbc
Saw Ann Romney. Last night? Today? It was with Mika and JoeScar. Only caught a bit. They asked her about a comment her youngest son made that she was a softie when it came to discipline. She said something like ‘you know how it is. By the time you get to the 5th child, if they say they want a cookie, you say ‘go ahead, take the cookie’.
I don’t know if they ever asked anything meaningful.
They must be taking a while getting Old Lord McCain ready for his close-up.
Oh I did get over. I never got over his DLC governing though.
I wish he’d have fought for Democratic values as hard as he fought to save his presidency.
-G
Is she a Flilf?
Tweety baiting Keith to rag on FOX with him. Keith trying to stay professional.
He’s putting on Rudy’s dress and is approaching the winding stairway as we read and write.
-G
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And printing his speech in 20 font.
Bill Clinton is my flilf. (laddie)
Each state party is allowed to set their own rules, within the constraints of the national party, as long as they also follow the laws of the state in question. Nevada has elected to choose their delegates to the 2008 Democratic Party National convention through a set of precinct to Congressional District to state level caucuses. Other states ID their National delegates through primaries.
But it is not a direct election to a particular office.
And as far as that goes, neither are the votes in November. In November, you are voting for “electors” who are not required to vote for the candidate who wins a particular state.
Well for us it’s the end of another long day. We get up around five in the morning usually. We slept in today. We didn’t get up until 5:30 am. I have been fed catfish and wined by my special person. Lahoma asks if I’m interseted in seeing once more, one of our favorite flicks. She wants to looks at “Steel Magnolias” again. And I said sure. We adore that movie. Goodnight all you very bright and sweet people.
okk and L.
This is a long stall. They keep saying McCain will be onstage in “seconds.” I wonder if he is well.
G’nite, OK & Lahoma
Son, hand me Ma’ Cane.
Keith and Tweety have copies of the speech and want to talk about it. But it’s embargoed.
“Deep conservative beliefs” per Tweety
You mean DILF Teddy.
-G
Two of the brightest and sweetest.
Nite.
-G
Maybe he’s just going over his speech so that he looks up a bit this time. Earlier his staff was all concerned about the lighting so they must know he came off badly last time.
mac got momma on stage
Goodnight Okk and Lahoma. Have a relaxing watch of the movie, then sleep well.
Oh, fuck me….Lindsay Graham is there
I want Cindy McCain’s suit.
I’d complement him on the clever oxymoron, but it would just confuse him.
Have they considered a blackout?
-G
The NV Dem Caucus rules are linked here at MyDD as a pdf
Cindy’s wearing the royal purple tonight.
Whatever floats your boat! ;)
I couldn’t help but wonder if her necklace is all Mikimoto or a tooth from each of her gardeners.
That reminds me – has anyone ever heard Mrs. Huck say a single word
Seems like every time I’ve seen her, she was chewing…
deeply cold…
Bwahahahahahha!!!
He’s reading again, while pretending not to.
Thanks South Carolina for its uncharacteristic weather, thereby endorsing God’s Own Voter Suppression.
Warning – When I Am an Old Woman I Shall Wear Purple
By Jenny Joseph
When I am an old woman, I shall wear purple
with a red hat that doesn’t go, and doesn’t suit me.
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
and satin candles, and say we’ve no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired
and gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
and run my stick along the public railings
and make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
and pick the flowers in other people’s gardens
and learn to spit.
You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat
and eat three pounds of sausages at a go
or only bread and pickles for a week
and hoard pens and pencils and beer nuts and things in boxes.
But now we must have clothes that keep us dry
and pay our rent and not swear in the street
and set a good example for the children.
We must have friends to dinner and read the papers.
But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.
[You can buy the book.]
She wants to be the next Nancy Reagan and take over the White House when John gets too old to finish his term without help.
Lindsey Graham just hugged a woman! (and his smile disappeared).
Kelly O’D told us earlier that the campaign asked the media to turn off their bright lights, so he could see the telepromter. From the looks of him, his teleprompter is right at the MSNBC camera.
girl cooties.
I love that.
Any sign of Lie Bermann?
Crazy John McCain won in SC but was beat by Ron Paul in Nevada. “I want to thank my dear and beloved friend, Lindsay Graham.” Senator Graham then gives a very affectionate hug to Cindy. That is funny.
be afraid…. be very afraid! amurricans havent learned a goddamned thing!
Chuckles McCain must have some scab writers….he’s just killing me.
Is he going to thank the Ghost of Strom Thurmond too?
-G
Gawd.
I think this is my favorite bit of writing. I read it often – because I’m old and really should get some purple something.
oh lawd………its worse than i thought
Ain’t that somethin’!!!!! Not a darned thing. People are still unconscious or really stuck. Stuck.
damn – good speech. McCain scares me.
USA, USA, USA!!!
morons
Cue the belligerent lunacy….in three, two, one.
-G
ole mac just blew my teevee out – blank screen
Yep.
Barack Obama…
The sole reason why I want Rudy to win Florida.
Obama cannot beat McCain.
USA, USA, USA!!!
And once again, what I heard was – “Bomb Iran! Bomb Iran”!
We are looking at the man we may just lose the Presidency to, folks.
Hillary cant either
There’s a Red Hat Society. There are 7 chapters of the club in my town alone!
http://www.redhatsociety.com
Neither of the “frontrunners” can beat this guy. Funny how that worked out, huh?
Edwards can
Scarier than McCain…who he chooses as a running mate….
he’s already mentioned only serving one term if elected.
nice little ending – “So help me God”.
How, umm, subliminal(?)
Tweety sez McCain is Reagan-like, unlike Romney, who doesn’t have an interesting story.
*sigh*
meet the new boss…. same as the ole boss….tighten your seatbelts – its going to be a VERY BUMPY RIDE!!!!
You think McCain will reinstate the draft during his first hundred days in office? He wants to bomb Iran, new war more troops and go after Osama bin Laden with every ounce of his being, invasion of Pakistan, more war more troops. He would just about have to have a draft if he is a man of his word.
we are soooooooo fucked……
romney = 52; mccain = 33
I think Obama trounces CrazyTrain McCain. He’ll kill the “Independents” (read: reasonable Repubes) with kindness. I bet he just won a bunch of just this week with his clever Raygun “praise.”
Especially with Holy Joe as his VP, those two are gonna like Kick the Bucket Party compared to a Obama/Edwards ticket. No contest.
Should have come with a spew alert!!!111
No we’re not. But this is the moment we were all waiting for (or dreading), when we found out how hard we would have to work to get this done.
More and Better Democrats!
Just focus on the Congressional races. That’s where we can have the most influence anyway. Take the Presidential out of the picture, and I think we’re doing great!
Exactly, McCain wants to be in Iraq for a 100 years. The majority of Americans want out now.
ahhh i beg to differ… we are seeing the anointing of ole mac….. watch the money begin to flow……… his way and he’ll take a more fundy point of view – after all he became a southern baptist – sheesh!
Right. And I want him to have to spend every red cent in FLA and lose.
And he’s already fellated Falwell. Like he doesn’t know how…
I’m sure not dumb enough to say it ain’t gonna happen, but it sure isn’t what the polls have been saying. McCain pretty much wins against Clinton and Obama, and he ties Edwards, last I looked.
Agreed. And now it’s the Democrats who need a brokered convention.
obama will not get the nom….. and if by a very slim chance he gets the nom – he’ll not beat ole mac
He won’t be in office, but a draft is the only thing that will stop the deadly costly moronic, money hemorrhaging, fiasco in Iraq.
What is more hideous–Peggy Noonan erupting with the sound on, or Peggy Noonan erupting with the mute button pressed?
He won’t just beat him; he’ll cream him.
That’s sweet.
You have to look at the bigger picture. The Supreme Court, and hence the Constitution, is in peril. Remember what we’ve gone through in the past few years.
We MUST win the presidency in addition to solidifying our lead in Congress.
Primaries are primaries, when the General Election comes I’ll be voting Democratic, regardless of who the Democratic nominee is.
I’ve seen some that said Obama beats CrazyTrain as is now. If things get narrowed down to those two, and after they pick VPs (O-Edwards, Mc-Lieberman), that’s when it’ll be no contest IMHO.
The last 1-2 months, Obama has made up an amazing amount of ground to Hillary, just as Ned Lamont did in the DemocratIC primary with Likuderman. Obama like Lamont needed to get past an incredible amount of name recognition/familiarity first, and when it got to be nitty gritty, head to head people chose the newcomers. The question is if there’s enough time yet to overcome the years of “hillary is inevitable” that’s been beat into everyone’s head for the last nearly 10 years now (I remember reports when she was first running for Senate).
Do you think he’s hit a wall now and maxed out on his support? I don’t, in fact I think he’s just getting warmed up, and Hillary’s dropping fast.
Ya know, this is all I’ve ever been told my entire adult/voting life. And what’s happened in that time? We are in our current Constitutional Crisis precisely because too many people have that attitude. We need to demand better Democrats.
This is why I’m so thrilled with the “More and Better” movement. Finally people seem to be waking up to this fact.
No, we are in this mess because we didn’t win the last 2 presidential elections.
I’m absolutely in favor of making sure we gain ground in Congress, but we have to take back the White House.
We have 3 strong Democratic candidates. We all have our favorites; many of us have problems with one or both of the others.
One candidate will win the Democratic nomination, regardless of which one you support in the primaries we need to support the Party’s nominee.
We must recapture the White House and solidify our control of congress.
I’d say we “lost” those because of the purposeful splintering of the DemocratIC Party by the DLC factions, namely the Clintons. I personally feel the DLC was created specifically to destroy the Party from within, which they’ve been able to do.
Whatever the case, I may be able to get behind what you’re saying (essentially if Clinton is the nom) because of one thing that’s different now – the Netroots.
Unlike in the 1990s, if the Clintons are in WH again (ack!) we’ll be able to keep them honest this time around, and this does give me hope. Now I just hope it doesn’t come to that.
I think any president is going to have a lot of vocal scrutiny that didn’t exist in the past.
The key is to have presidency and the congress so something can happen instead of endless stalemates.
And we need to watch what they do and speak out when they stray. I think the media is losing its stranglehold on the dissemination of information, so you can have an informed electorate.
But taking the long view is important, that is how the republicans got their power, they invested in think tanks, groomed candidates and supported them. It took them years, but they stuck with it.
We’re getting a break with their monumental screwup (Bush Jr.), but we have to pull together and capitalize on that screwup.
Right on, Bluest! More and Better ‘08!