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Howie is calling it the "South Carolina Pygmy Primary." I don't think I'll ever refer to a GOP primary as anything else.
. Meanwhile, Rahm tells Bubba to STFU:
Prominent Democrats are upset with the aggressive role that Bill Clinton is playing in the 2008 campaign, a role they believe is inappropriate for a former president and the titular head of the Democratic Party. In recent weeks, Sen. Edward Kennedy and Rep. Rahm Emanuel, both currently neutral in the Democratic contest, have told their old friend heatedly on the phone that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Sen. Barack Obama, according to two sources familiar with the conversations who asked for anonymity because of their sensitive nature. Clinton, Kennedy and Emanuel all declined to comment.
. Obama campaign making accusations of voting irregularities against Clinton in Nevada, claims that they nonetheless have 13 delegates to Clinton's 12 and are calling it a victory.
. Ron Paul beats McCain in Nevada by a handful of votes, but a win is a win.
. With 5% of SC precincts reporting -- McCain 35%, Huckabee 28%, Romney 16%, Thompson 13%, Ron Paul 4%, 9iu11iani 3%. Statistically insignificant Duncan Hunter drops out of the race. CNN says McCain doing much better among evangelical voters than Huckabee is among non-evangelical voters.
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Bill. Be still.
Zed. And can someone please explain why the caucus numbers in Nevada are so low? Did only 5000 really vote for Clinton and Obama respectively?
Gee Rahm telling Bill to STFU.
Pot meet Kettle.
I don’t see any angst in ole Fred’s concession speech or quitting the election highlighting federalism at the wiretapping of Americans and the archving of their emails and searches.
I didn’t see any frigging refrence to the shredding of civil rights by the Unitary DOJ the consigliere for the unitary executive.
Yet another pre-masticated, pseudo-democratic primary horse race.
From the Nevada thread downstairs:
As Hunter Thompson said: When the going turns wierd, the wierd turn PRO.
Anyone besides me get disgusted by posters who say “Boo hoo, I’m for Edwards but, gosh, maybe the always-truthful media is right: John should try to be someone’s VP or angle for Attorney General.” ?
How about people who decry playing the gender card or the race card … but can not accept that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are NOT agents of genuine change; both sport $100 Million campaign war chests from corporate lobbyists who don’t care which card gets played in the Democratic nominee — woman or black — because both are bought out by the for-profit health and war machines. And both will lose against virtually any likely GOP nominee.
So, not playing the gender or race card means pretending to not notice how retro, non-progressive and undemocratic — say nothing of unelectable — both are? I don’t see that positioning on HRC or BO as liberal, non-divisive or a step in the right direction. I see it as painfully naive and non-reality based politics.
And if I point out this LaLa Land Magical Political Thinking, then I get called anti-female (i.e., anti-me :-O), crypto-racist (good one! hahaha I still think we all got lots of ’splaining to do, Lucy, regarding Native Americans … the Square One targets of American genocide and racism) OR I hate this one the most: I get told how much better Democrats are than Republicans. Duh-oh. Thanks for the tip on that one, oh child of the cave.
THUS: In line with Hunter Thompson (above) and William Burroughs, Jr. — who said a paranoid is the person with all the facts at his/her disposal — I tend to think there is some other kharmic chess game sh*t going on here.
When people willfully ignore Barack Obama’s GOP Vote Fraud style of qualifying for elections in the Illinois Senate and US Senate (check out the Chicago Trib investigation and BlackAgendaReport.com) …
When people persistently choose to ignore Hillary Clinton’s atavistic DLC credentials, with all the lobbying PAC money and Corporatist Defender Woman baggage …
And when we hear people like John Kerry, Gary Hart, Senator Progressive Patriots Fund Russ Feingold, allegedly-sane Pat Leahy of Guerrilla Vermont, and who-cares ersatz Democrat pundit O’Donnell GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to diss John Edwards …
When we hear Edwards box Obama’s green ears twice in one day — Jan 18, 2008 on drooling over that ole class warfarist/union busting/Alzheimer’s ridden Reagan; and whacking BO upside the head for sitting 5 ft from Edwards during the Nevada debates and promising to stop the divisive politics, then lyingly/hypocritically condoning dirty and malicious UNITE spots against Hillary Clinton … whom Edwards defended Bwhaaaaaaa …
I do believe we’re seeing a potential All-Time Historic Cold Cock of the American Crypto-Fascists underway. I don’t think Hillary Clinton is what we need in a president; DITTO Obama. But neither do I think either one of them is an idiot. (Why else would Obama act like a buffoon sometimes during the Nevada debate: ooops I can’t keep up with my paperwork so make me Prez and I’ll lose that Presidential Briefing Memo on terror attacks? Or Let’s see how many tender Dems vote for me if I start rimming Ronnie Alzheimer’s Reagan’s ass. Aha! I did it. My supporters don’t even know who RayGuns was!) Why else would Hillary Clinton defend — defiantly and stamping her foot! — defend the dozens of million of buckaroos she swallows from Big Health Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Defense Contractors, et. al? Irony? Hypocrisy? Or warm-up for Comedy Club?
I think there is a giant cold cock going on here. Someday I’d like to get Russ Feingold drunk and beat the game outta him. But, I, for one, am not going to go mewling and puking off into the sunset right now … looking for job openings for “failed John Edwards.” Don’t buy that meme, thanks.
[RBG Note; metaphorically speaking, no doubt?]
Hey Jane, kiddo, cinnamonape, dakine. We have a tornado warning here in Central Florida. We have no basements. No sireeens or warning system of any kind. We just sit and wait an’ hope we don’t get creamed. I may end my sabbatical from the campaign a week early.
Unfair to pygmies!
Tonight I might just be the luckiest Demo voter on the face of the Earth. Because if comes down to Senator Obama or Senator Clinton in the primaries, I can say at this point, I don’t care which of these two wins.
I think statistically insignificant 9iu11iani (LOL) ought to drop out too!
I’m also puzzled how Obama won one more delegate than Clinton in Nevada without winning the General vote? Does this have something to do with him winning more precincts or caucuses?
He didn’t concede. He’s still in.
Those low numbers you see are numbers of delegates to the county conventions that were elected today. The Nevada party will not be reporting actual breakouts of participants in their caucuses. But the total number of participants in the Democratic caucuses is estimated by the party to be 114,000.
There’s a new recommended diary at DKos titled “It’s official ! I’m not switching from Edwards to anyone.”
That’s how I feel.
those are the number of county delegates, i think…
Me too
ol’ fred seemed to be having some trouble breathing…
We live about thirty five miles south west of Lawton. We understand what you are facing all too well. But as my grandmother always used to tell me when the winds came, kiddo, this is Oklahoma. Lahoma and i lived for 11 years in Williston, Fla, between Gainesville and Ocala. If you know where that is. They can have some major weather where you are. Try to stay safe. ;0)
Some precincts and caucuses have more weight than others, depending on their “Democrat”-ness. Weighting the counties results correctly apparently results in a 13-12 split in the eventual delegates to the Democratic National Convention, although it’s unknown whether Clinton or Obama has the 13.
Also, these not-yet-elected national delegates are entirely unpledged; they are not committed to vote for any candidate.
Even though the MSM has been writing his obit since day one. They are supposed to REPORT the news, not SCULPT it!
Well, I haven’t seen too many people here so much as suggesting that the media is even usually right. Quite the contrary. But I have seen the talk about Edwards’s political future, is he in it to be a spoiler so can leverage that into a place on the ticket or a cabinet post. And some people who just honestly want to see the guy in government. I don’t think it’s gonna happen and that’s fine with me. John Edwards just doesn’t need it for a buncha reasons. As far as Gary hart goes….. What was he doin’ at that jag-off convention in Oklahoma City? Not helpin’ the dems, that’s for sure. Not really sure what ya mean by a giant cold-cock goin’ on here. Could ya ’splain that one , please?
LOL. Last time I checked the Bush administration was making a fool out of itself claiming they lost tape backups, and server data and about 5 million emails from the RNC and White house servers but had no clue as to why.
Obama was simply saying he needs organizers around him to track the paperwork. Anyone in the West Wing will have hundreds of them. Obama keeps track of paperwork well enough to navigate Harvard Law School, and the US Senate.
Obama would read the memos that brief him. He wouldn’t have some meglomaniac VP shaping the CIA intelligence to start a war that has killed 4000 soldiers and rendered 50,000 others orthopedically and/or neurologically severe criples.
When told someone had burned 3000 people to death in a strike on New York, he wouldn’t sit down and read “The Pet Goat” to 3rd graders for several minutes.
I’m also puzzled how Obama won one more delegate than Clinton in Nevada without winning the General vote? Does this have something to do with him winning more precincts or caucuses?
if NV is like IA, then the delegates that were elected today are actually going to county conventions, which will elect delegates to the state convention, which will elect the delegates from the state to the national convention — and the apportionment of delegates to each county, which is based on things like voting history, percentage of registered democrats, etc.
So, if the vote was 50-50, but Hillary won in caucuses/counties that were less “Democratic” than Obama, Obama would have an edge.
(please keep in mind that this is based on IA procedure, and I don’t have a freaking clue what they do in Nevada!)
Yeah. I know where that is. They sayin’ anything about te Repub primary? We’re right here in the big O just bein’ sittin’ ducks.
Good luck BF hope any thing passes harmlessly!
Boy, can I relate to that…living in TX. If you live in a house, you need to go to the innermost small room/closet in the center of your house…open some windows, because the house, if hit, is less likely to react to the pressure…and cover yourselves with cushions…if the smallest room is a bathroom, get in the tub and cover with cushions…
If you live in a trailer…get out and go to the lowest place you can find and lie flat…
That is my advice FWIW…stay safe and listen for the “train” sound, if you don’t hear it, it isn’t close.
Geez, that sounds terrible! Good luck to you. I think you’re supposed to get into a tub with a mattress over the top with your loved ones. Stay away from glass. Again, good luck to you!
Well if Obama or Clinton wins the presidency it will be a move up. From below acceptable (Bush) to mediocre. Right?
We like Edwards.
Regarding the tornado…they are usually not very big in Florida, so your chances of getting hit are very narrow.
Congressman James Clyburn (D-SC) calls Nevada “a split decision” due to the delegate count.
We like Edwards.
me too. But right now, the smartest thing that Edwards could do would be to start a rumor that a vote for Edwards was a vote for a brokered convention that Gore could be nominated at! ;-)
Some comfort for Edwards supporters
http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....742/439621
Maybe they wont like Hil in the South
You know DaVinci…from my perspective neither Hillary, Obama or Edwards represented a progressive message.
You mention the Clinton/Obama warchests. But just look at Edwards Federal Campaign Statements for both his Senatorial and Presidential Campaigns. Look at how much he has received from a major Hedge Fund group called Fortress Investment Group…which trades in the sub-prime sector (picking up mortgages and foreclosures after the folks hit rock-bottom. i.e. distressed loans) and shelters investments in the Grand Cayman Islands. He received a half million and multi-million stock options in Fortress in their subsidiaries (Eurocastle, Newcastle, and a variety of newspaper publishing and real estate groups).
And Edwards’ Congressional votes and Bills were hardly paragons of what a progressive would support. He championed the Bankruptcy Bill, and (unlike half the Senate Democrats), supported the IAUF. As a VP candidate he actually told Kerry not to retreat from their (mutual) vote on the Iraq Authorization. Kerry wanted to challenge Bush on his authority and “lies” about WMD’s, but Edwards told him to attack the “manner” the war is being fought, but be proud of takin’ out Saddam. Thus Kerry backed away from challenging the legitimacy of the war.
It appeard to be Axelrod spin..From My DD:
link
It will be at least until mid-April that the delegates will be selected.
LOL. Last time I checked the Bush administration was making a fool out of itself claiming they lost tape backups, server data and about 5 million emails from the RNC and White house servers but had no clue as to why.
Obama was simply saying he needs organizers around him to track the paperwork. Anyone in the West Wing will have hundreds of them. Obama keeps track of paperwork well enough to navigate Harvard Law School, and the US Senate.
Obama would read the memos that brief him. He wouldn’t have some meglomaniac VP shaping the CIA intelligence to start a war that has killed 4000 soldiers and rendered 50,000 others orthopedically and/or neurologically severe criples.
When told someone had burned 3000 people to death in a strike on New York, he wouldn’t sit down and read “The Pet Goat” to 3rd graders for several minutes.
Thanks Teddy…the reported numbers seemed VERY, VERY LOW. I imagine the same is true on the Republican side….and thus the figures are not comparable in terms of relative turn-out.
Take care!!!
Actually, the GOP numbers (total about 40,000) are the actual numbers of participants. There were 114,000 Democratic participants and about 40,000 GOPs.
Oh, jeebus, how did Peggy Noonan get on my teevee?
wrt to the “delegates” issue, here’s a similar take from dday, over at digby’s:
[And I see Steve-AR already linked to this.]
It was difficult for me to tell what he was doing. I wonder if he knows?
Piggy Noonan is trying to get rid of Huckster, by saying that if he doesn’t win SC his candidacy is toast…not so….all across America, there are evangelicals that will vote for him. The fact that he is so close to McCain is good for him, not bad. I bet he wins FL.
http://greenvilleonline.com/ap.....ory=NEWS03
Good results page
Maybe when he wakes up, he’ll tell us. ZZZZZZZZ…I think he will hang in there and then ramp up his energy as time goes on, but I’m wrong on everything I think about how this whole deal is going…Cheney’s daughter is on his campaign staff, and that is what makes me think he’ll hang in there, at least for awhile and go for VP perhaps.
for those of you who care about this kind of thing…
CNN just “adjusted” its exit poll results. It started out 52% male, 48% Female, with Huckabee getting 26% of the male vote, and 30% of the female vote, and McCain getting 30% of the male vote, and 33% of the female vote.
Now its 51% male, 49% Female, with Huckabee getting 26% of the male vote, and 30% of the female vote, and McCain getting 31% of the male vote, and 33% of the female vote.
Ooooh, McMaverick is a bridesmaid again?
COOL!
I can’t wait for another picture of that swollen pustule Lieberman looking like he just swallowed a whole lemon.
I just “read” through the NV Dem Party Caucus doc..The process today is just the first step and the results are non-binding. No National delegates were selected. The final delegate selection will occur on April 19..So any campaign talking about 12 or 13 delegates is just BS.
But if Nevada’s just a beauty contest, then the state party should report actual numbers of participants for each candidate, not county convention delegates elected. This would be an acknowledgment that, as the state party chair has said, none of these delegates or any delegates at any level, are pledged.
kiddo and Lahoma,
I’m the reverse of you guys. I grew up in Claremore and now live in Gainesville. The storms finished here a few hours ago.
I like Edwards, too.
Pete Pierce at 21:
And Kiddo at 27:
You’ll get no argument from me on either of those comments. But they both fall into the water barrel of: ANY DEMOCRAT IS BETTER THAN ANY REPUBLICAN.
And that is not the nut of the matter. Cuz “any” Democrat can not win against “any” Republican. (Except for Edwards, according to the head-to-head surveys of Rasmussen and CNN.)
Puts us right back at minus-square one. Why are so many “luminaries” of the Democratic party (Kerry to Leahy to Feingold) tripping over themselves to endorse Barack Obama?? Me thinks there’s some master chess game cold cock going on here. But a “good” and “just” cold cock.
I think that Howard Feinman on MSNBC nailed it–he’s trying to figure out how to stay in to help McCain who has to be his choice.
Two areas hard to master: The manuevering to stay in a campaign to help a frontrunner, and the backroom deals for delegates and super delegates that inevitably take place when the primaries/caucuses are tight.
That is a good results page. Before looking at that page, returns I viewed on other sites indicated that Greenville County’s precincts have not yet reported their results.
If Greenville/Spartanburg are the outstanding votes in SCarolina, as Keith just said, then this could be a long night, and a tighter race than it appears. That’s where the fundies are, but that’s where the snow was predicted.
Then why are all these people declaring victory and playing “who’s on first?” Sounds like a big waste of time to me.
The Huckster is now within 3%. Might be a long night.
It’s not “BS” though the eventual votes might change, as of today, this is how the delegates line up … and every campaign spins towards good news - that’s part of the game.
Look, HRC won the popular vote but had a harder time than expected not that long ago … Obama did not win but did well in some key areas that are weighted towards delegates (which may be a sign of a smart field operation)
Bob Jones U in Greenville. Except for the city proper it is way fundie.
The evangelicals are gonna vote for Huck, because for one thing, they got called wackos by the Neocons, and Huck is not a Neocon.
Hey you know, I think old Bill does need a Chill Pill for Hill.
Seriously, when I watched the heated exchange with the Calif. reporter in Napa, I thought Bill needed to stand down. It also reminded me of what I didn’t like about him: his ability to deny things by making an ultra specific statement: I have nothing to do with that lawsuit.
There has been no snow today to speak of in Greenville/Spartanburg.
The issue is momentum versus delegates. If a candidate can build momentum, as the incredibly plodding and earnest John Kerry did in 2004, that’s what matters. If no candidate can build momentum this time, then delegates matter because we may have a contested convention.
In other words, when the state convention in Nevada occurs on April 19th, if the nominee is still unknown, then the delegates will probably reflect the 13-12 split in Obama’s favor. But if the nominee is known by that time, they will probably all be for that nominee.
I really respectfully beg to differ with that assessment, and I can find scores of polls that show Obama and Clinton beating any pathetic Republican candidate that they have to dance with now that they done brung ‘em.
I think that in demographics that matter/make a difference in the general, you’re going to see a record turnout for Democrats–among African Americans, Hispanics, women and white voters all across the board.
We don’t actually know whether HRC won the popular vote, as the Nevada Democratic party will not be releasing participant counts. What she did win was the election of delegates to the county conventions next month.
Whether she won the popular turnout is unknown.
I agree. S. Carolina keeps McCain in the race if he wins. And Huckabee is going to keep winning delegates…playing for the convention. And Freddy win likely stay in until the Super-Tuesday next month, he beat Mitty.
It’s Mitty who has to be mildly disappointed.
So they are all still innit…nothing is any more clear than it was when they day dawned. That’s not true on the Democratic side…where it’s become a two person race (my guy did horribly, but I blame it all on the media…and the Courts).
And Giuliani and Duncan Hunter…they are the ones who better call it quits. I’m a bit sad that Rudy doesn’t continue to throw away more $$$, but maybe there’s some Florida road-side Alligator Park he can toss bags of green cash down their maws.
Ding. He is the bigger egoist. I think on some level he is so competitive with her that he doesn’t want her to be successful. His Monica situation is reflective of his behavior and disrespect towards her…by her tolerance of his behavior, he further disrespects her.
She probably should have dumped him then. She doesn’t need him for this campaign, but I’m not sure she believes that. Ahhh…to be free of that kind of relationship….been there.
JMHO
Within the margin of error of course.
McCain 33% to Huckabee 29% with 43% reporting on MSNBC.
I can’t think Huckabee without hearing the RedState Update Huckabee campaign slogan: “Huckabee? Fu** Me!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2F96rCnHg
With 47% of Greenville County’s precincts reporting, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are for all practical purposes tied for first place; with 12,106 votes cast so far for them, John McCain leads by 22 votes.
WaPo0’s Chris Cillizza on the Nevada delegate math
Within the margin of error of course.
well, yeah, of course. Plus, you have to remember that these are whole number percentages…and if you maximize all the ’rounding’ to Huckabee’s advantage, he’s around 1% behind McCain.
Wow…sounds like Huckabee is going to get it. Crazy dude, but I’d rather see him win than the Neocons, because that is going to splinter the Pukes completely in the end.
Shuster: Scarolina GOP officials confirm Huck’s campaign’s assertion that not-yet-reported areas are those in the Northwest part of the state.
Down with the Neocons.
I’ll have whatever you’re having…
This ain’t the best recording I’ve ever heard, but the sentiment is right.
How is it in G’Ville these days? I really like north central Fl. ;0)
Sounds like Noron’s numbers show that Fred helped McCain by cutting into Huck’s totals among the talibangelical.
Buchanan…”If Huckabee is moving down”…Huh?
Yeah, this is great. Instead of having someone who will attack Muslim countries for hegemony, we’ll have someone who will attack them to bring about Armageddon. :)
You could be right..but the talk about 13 or 12 or whatever seems like bs. The rules are arcane..The link to the rules can be found here
Actually, although Bill has been criticized for his confrontations with reporters lately, I think she very much needs him in the primary contests, and in the general. I think he opens doors for her among heavy voting blocks.
Rumor had it the Dunkin Hunter election night victory party was scheduled to be held in the back room of a Waffle House.
-G
Hmmm…Thompson is making a fairly good showing…
AP - Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama split the spoils Saturday in Nevada presidential caucuses marred by late charges of dirty politics. John McCain and Mike Huckabee dueled for victory in a hard-fought Republican primary in South Carolina.
Huckabinejad.
-G
Yay, Rachel!!
She ascribes Mitt’s newfound success with the immigant-bashers to Bay Buchanan’s leaving Tancredo’s campaign for the Romney campaign. Pat looked like he was laying a square egg; he’s been calling the GOP race for Romney all night.
Good for her for pointing out the Buchanans’ conflict.
Freddy’s pulling away from Mittster in the current results and the Huckster is going down to the wire with “Son of Cain”. All-in-all good for the Democrats! Anarchy in the GOP!
These jackasses just report spin from the spinners..Why doesn’t he read the damn rules and report on the “facts”.
Yeah, Maddow is smacking Buchanan around good. He can’t keep up.
Buchanan touting the “attrition” plan to rid us of “illegals”: make life so miserable for them here that they’ll eventually go home. “Attrition” is the new torture, and the cons love it.
The GOP-er knife fight will be upgraded to maces and razor blades.
-G
We’re happy here. It’s been a good place to raise the kids. You might not recognize it these days with all the new apartment developments. Several new ones are underway downtown, too. About two blocks of buildings were taken down right at 13h & University for a project that I suspect now will fail. That could be a blight for quite a while.
It’s really sad that our primary means nothing, but I will vote anyway.
One good reason to hope that Huckabee wins this….
There will suddenly be millions of McCain supporters demanding that touch screen voting machines be outlawed.
Pete Pierce at 60:
And that means what, exactly? These record turnout new Democrat voters will vote by gender, race and all the other divisive slice-n-dice factors we hear about daily?? (There was a record turnout by youth and single women in 2004 … which still did NOT overcome Kerry’s wimp factor in places like Ohio; putting Ohio “in play” for GOP vote fraud.) At the end of the day, we still lost.
My point is that we’re hearing about all this gender card, race card divisiveness NOT just from the Rove Republicans and NOT just from backward racist/sexist/non-progressive types. We’re being fanned to gender, race, identity politics from within our own ranks and from the left-of-center Democratic stalwarts (endorsements of Obama; disses of Edwards)
There’s another game going on here, folks. And I’m sorry to go all Richard Dreyfuss in “Close Encounters of 3rd Kind” on you. But I can see the shape in the mashed potatoes; I just don’t know the geo-coordinates (who, why) yet. Still, that Devil’s Tower is there. I know it is. Too much doesn’t compute lately.
George Galloway takes on the crazed neo-con, David Frum. Galloway: “You have killed a million people in Iraq.”
Frum: “There has been great progress there.”
I’m not for Huckabee…I’m against the Neocons, and if it is between Huckabee and a Dem…well I’m thinking the Dem will win. That’s where I’m coming from.
Also, one thing. I do not buy the idea at all that, just because he is an evangelical that he wants to “create” Armageddon. That is completely contrary to even their teachings. Neocons are much more likely to bring on a WWIII scenario that could be “defined” as an Armageddon scenario than an evangelical (unless you elect Pat Robertson himself, because he is plainly batshit crazy, but Huckabee is not)….
Honestly, that is just not realistic. Evangelicals don’t “want” Armageddon, they “believe” that it is “written”…and that it will occur sometime, even if they think that sometime is now, now, now.
If they believed they would be the instigators of Armageddon, they would be in favor of suicide, which they are not.
Keith sez SCarolina is too close to call, but the Democratic Nevada caucuses are impossible to call due to the system’s craziness. “Confusion”
I think enough focus groups have shown Patti Doyle and the rest she very much does need him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d0DKbbv0Lg
“This man is a bag man for the zionists.” Galloway on Frum.
Wow, just think if he told bushco to stfu.
Hill has bill, the last Democratic President of the United States. She’s got the loser guy McCauliff the past head of the DNC and she’s on the board of the DLC. Soooooo I’d say the fix is in, has been in and they’ve embarked on a mission to make it so. All of this is out of bounds in my book. But then I’ve been saying its not about gender or race from the git go. That went on long enough that the voters are now actually living to their labels and have no interest in getting our country back from bushco for ALL Americans. Too late now, that a slippery slope we’re already on….. wheeeeeeee.
Hill will be the nom. The coronation will continue :-)
I’m still squarely behind Edwards, btw. Super Tuesday I vote for John Edwards. See you there! :-)
It means more Democrats vote for their candidate than Republicans in 2008.
I’m not framing anything in the context of gender, race or identity politics. I already voted for Obama and I endorse him, and I’ve found a lot to admire in Edwards and nothing really to diss in the least.
I hope to hell I’m far to the left of center. I see what the center is–it’s the drooling members of the House and Senate who are voting with Bush on every important vote–and could care less about the Constitution being shredded or DOJ running interference for the West Wing.
Bill is ”standing by” his wife, who stood by him during a certain time. As a Man he could do no less.
I dont think we decide…they do
Here is a link for a Salon article on Huckabee’s religious mentors:
Salon
And Huck’s best friend..John Hagee
The most dangerous man in the world is GWB43, who appears to be psychologically messianic, backed up by Cheney, who is a meglomaniac. Cheney will assure that his needs are met. None of these candidates, other than Romney, Ghouliani, and McCain who follow the Neocon globalization theories, are as dangerous as those that are in power right now.
Yeah, but IMO, it doesn’t do much good when there’s so much back-biting in the Democratic Party! We don’t have enough problems with Rethugs, we now have to make the primary a slugfest with accusations of personal slurs, dirty politics or voter suppression on both sides. Heckofa job, Clinton and Obama.