I'm hopelessly confused now. Do homeless troops exist or not?
Recently, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly attacked former senator John Edwards for noting the 200,000 homeless veterans who “go to sleep under bridges and on grates” every night. “The only thing sleeping under a bridge is that guy’s brain,” quipped O’Reilly. [Har har! Good one, Bill!] O’Reilly continued his attack earlier this week, claiming “They may be out there, but there’s not many of them out there.”
Last night, however, O’Reilly pulled an about-face, acknowledging to National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse President Joseph Califano that there are upwards of 200,000 homeless vets in America:
CALIFANO: We have 200,000 veterans who are homeless.
O’REILLY: Right.
O’Reilly admitted Edwards’ claim was right, but still refused to admit his own inaccuracies. He also continued to attack the former senator, calling him “a liar” and “a charlatan.” O’Reilly insisted that homelessness “has nothing to do with the economy” and is “mostly because of addiction and mental illness.”
This is really not the class warfare issue that O'Reilly is making it out to be. There are 200,000 homeless veterans, and whether it's because they're poor, or because they're so psychologically damaged by war that they can no longer function, the bottom line is that no-one's taking care of them. They risked body and soul for this country, and now they're sleeping under bridges? How does that square with "supporting our troops"?
This is one of the most infuriating things about Republicans: They make a great big frothing-at-the-mouth show of how much they care about X and Democrats don't, yet their actions show that they don't really care about X at all. Troops are a great example of this: Republicans love to rage about how we progressives don't support the troops, yet the Bush administration sends troops to Iraq with inadequate armor or leave time, covers it up when they get raped and/or killed under suspicious circumstances, subjects wounded troops to Civil War conditions, and screws veterans again and again.
Troops are by no means the only example, however. Republicans claim to be "pro-life," yet they support the death penalty and unrestricted gun ownership. They launched an invasion which killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And as passionate as they are about protecting fetuses, they have little concern for their well-being after they become babies. Where are their calls for more maternity leave, better postnatal care, or financial aid for indigent mothers? Where, for that matter, is their support for sex-ed and contraception to prevent the unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortions?
Republicans speak of Democracy, but coddle tyrants abroad and suppress votes at home... in the guise of preventing voter fraud.
Republicans speak of Freedom, but reserve the right to detain, torture and spy on anyone they please.
Republicans speak of Civility, but spray smears, insults, and threats like angry firehoses. (But, it should be noted, with a minimum of swearing)
Republicans speak of Accountability, but will not yield to law nor oversight.
Republicans speak of Christianity, but oppose peace, compassion and tolerance.
Republicans speak of Security, but inflame the Muslim world against us and resist efforts to secure ports, plants, and loose Russian nukes. (See also: Tora Bora, Al Qaqaa, Operation Ignore)
Republicans speak of America, and they are burying it.
(h/t Blue Texan)
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cominghere!EPU’d…As shown on KO just now, this is the video, Change for the Better…O.M.G.:
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have you seen Billos mansion? hundreds of vets could live there
Great post, Eli.
I howled. I was uncomfortable, because it feels so creepily true, but I howled…
I knew a Republican, and these Republicans are not Republicans - they are Conservativefascists.
We did too!! It is pretty brilliant!!
Thanks! I’ve been sitting on a *very* rough outline of this post for about as long as I’ve been posting at FDL. Like, since last March.
O’Reilly insisted that homelessness “has nothing to do with the economy” and is “mostly because of addiction and mental illness.”
Everybody knows that “real soldiers” don’t get addicted or give in to such pussified things as mental illness…
Yep, I’m sure they all would have ended up exactly the same way if they had never served.
I have read in the SF Chronicle that there are homeless vets from the Iraq war on the streets in SF. It makes me so angry and sad.
Gawd, I wonder what made them mentally ill??? War has a way of doing that.
Congrats Gnome !
((( Eli )))
‘Support the troops’ = BushCo mean the exact opposite of what they say.
It just infuriates me that Republicans can pontificate about how we libruls hate the troops, but they can’t be bothered to do a damn thing to actually help them.
And if they’re *ex*-troops, they might as well not exist.
I think the one’s that want to kill and maim and revenge in honor of W’s
war on terraGlobal War for Oil and Dominance, are the one’s that are addicted and mentally ill.not to mention the absolute crime of sending them into theatre inumerable times,so they would succumb to PTS syndrome
Well, also, since they’ve been having so much trouble meeting recruitment numbers, they’re actually enlisting people who are mentally ill to begin with…
and their pay cuts,and benefit cuts
But, but, they don’t matter cause they didn’t make the “ultimate sacrifice”…
Yep, I’m sure they all would have ended up exactly the same way if they had never served.
And besides that - they *volunteered*, fer chrissakes. Screw ‘em.
Cue Super Chicken - “You knew the job was dangerous when you took it - Bwakaaah!!.
Consider snark tag to have been applied generously.
True, but those enlisting mentally ill people are mentally ill and addicted to war to begin with.
And stop-loss. I could have easily listed twice as many examples as I actually did - I just didn’t want the paragraph to get too huge.
“This is one of the most infuriating things about Republicans: They make a great big frothing-at-the-mouth show of how much they care about X and Democrats don’t, yet their actions show that they don’t really care about X at all.” In psychology, this is called crazy-making.
Great but sad post, Eli.
Billo’s remarks were beyond outrageous. As KO pointed out this week, there are many homeless vets between KO and Billo’s studios which are only a couple of blocks apart in NYC. He needs to cough up some jack and help a few brothers out.. even if it’s due to guilt and lies.
in Ken Burns the WAR…a study was done over 250 straight days of combat was the max
Really ?!! When’s Boehner headin’ off to Eye- Raq ? *g*
But, but, but….they are pro-life!!!
I’d say losing your mind is a pretty big sacrifice, but for Republicans it’s more of a vestigial organ, like an appendix.
And when they do make that sacrifice they won’t let anyone honor them or see the coffins as if the soldiers are shameful in some way.
Thanks, Gnome!
And hiya, Petro!
Ding!
Oh, there you go, reminding me of Laura Nyro… Great music she made.
Is it still illegal to take photographs of bombing sites in Iraq?
let me just *say* happy birthday - you really don’t wanna hear me sing it…
How’s it goin’, Eli ?
I wonder when karma will catch up with W …
I wish I did believe in karma (or saw any reason to) - I would probably be a lot happier.
if i start to think of the kids,old people,and non combatants again i shall get terribly sad,and depressed again
Thanks! In my mind I’m still about 20, but my knees will tell you a VERY different story!
Sometimes you have to take care of yourself in order to live and fight another day.
So Hillary hearts LIEberman, who wudda thunk it?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....162/439176
Didn’t a Congress Puke say he was a grown-up embryo?? Well, why do the Pukes want to send everybody else’s grown-up embryos off to fight their war for oil??? Just doesn’t make sense.
Heh. The Pukes have an army of voluntary, great big, grown-up embryos that they are putting in harms way and are constantly at risk of being aborted by IEDs and such.
See, they are anti-choice and pro-abortion.
we must demand impeachment ,and an immediate END to the war…demand it
yea…how the hell did we get here? (media) imo
SHE TEH SUKKETH and Bill too! that is all
Republicans don’t care about ex-troops *or* ex-fetuses.
There is “instant” karma…like when my Ex drove over a snake and then a minute later a bee flew in the window and stung him next to his eye…
Then there is the kind of karma where you come back as a descendant of your own oppression…like a slave in future Iraq working for Halliburton, hauling metal in 120 degree heat after your family has been imprisoned and tortured….
IED, IUD whats the dif
One of the ways I take care of myself is by not watching television. Especially those shows that pretend to be news. The other stuff I can’t stand to watch because of all the commercials.
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ewwwwwwwww you have good credit in heaven methinks
Yeah! That really is the charade in a nutshell.
i watch no TeeBee ,just movies
Now that’s just infuriating.. no surprise but infuriating.
Oh, [MULTIPLE expletives deleted]. I’ve always said that I would hold my nose, bring a barf bag, and vote for whoever was the Democratic nominee is if it’s not John Edwards. I’m now rethinking that. Why the fuck should I go to the polls and vote for her if she’s all snuggly with that little turd? Anyone? Can anyone help me out here with some cozy rationalization? Anyone???
Good god, man. Where have you been? Do you know the hours I have wondered about where you are spending your time? Love ya!!!
ya know…that is a real FU to all of us progressives
Pretty much all of a piece with the inappropriate actions of every Republican administration since (and including) Nixon.
How did you like Paulson’s stint presenting the ’stimulus package’? $10 to some outrageous power of ‘tax relief’, if they can find any more taxes to be relieved. The country’s economy is like a racehorse lying on its side, exhausted and malnourished, and the ‘remedy’ proposed is to turn up the joules and blast the heart with an electric shock. It will be wasted energy, and it may kill the animal.
These people should not be allowed to run a diner, never mind a first-world country.
Heh. That’s where we differ. Usually the commercials are more creative and funny than the shows… Sad, really.
And sending people back into war who have suffered major injuries.
Marion, my sentiments exactly. My partner worked in the Clinton WH for 8 years on a committee, and we have been fighting over Hillary for months, after seeing that post on Kos, he just said, He will NOT vote for her.
Romney, McCain, Ghouliani.
boy really arogant too…..just wipe out all of our sentiments…bankruptcy bill much
I need to do a post at my place about Dubya’s comments on that - the bullshit level was remarkable, even for Dubya.
She’s better looking than Fred?*g*
Yep and she will tell all of us progressives to STFU whennever it is convenient for her.
it will come out of SS
That’s the only thing that will drive me to it. And it’ll take 2 barf bags.
As I suspect Obama will, too - just more gracefully.
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
*sniff* … you didn’t call or write … I thought you stopped caring about me … *sniff* … wow, feels nice talking like my mom … *g*
i shall not either ….she is now throwing poop(JoShmo) in my face
I sooooo agree!!! I’ve never seen him quite so transparent and he’s really nervous…probly packin’ for Paraguay as we speak. Paulson seems nuts in a handbag if you ask me…and Bernanke…he’s at the “sigh, we are so f’d” stage…
All BS.
Most excellent, Eli.
GOPs lie, cheat, steal, rape, thieve, pillage and plunder. And let a city drown.
And then ask if you’d like some more.
damn her ,cant she just fake her Liebergasm,like when Harry met SAlly
Terrific post Eli, worth the wait.
Here’s something…if Bill O says that there are SO FEW Homeless Vets thaen why doesn’t HE put out about $1000 of his salary to support them. Let them get a hot shower, cleaned up, and a few meals for a month in a hotel.
Might be too many? How about $100 per Veteran then? At least that’s a weekend in a cheap hotel…and maybe a couple of cheapo hot meals?
Oh, still too many? But Bill O’…I thought there was just a teeny handful!
There is nothing in SS. It is just an “idea” that is written on paper somewhere with the lost emails…kinda like the Constitution. There is no money…lather, rinse, repeat. The Feds have to print it like crazy to survive. There is nothing but a false economy right now. There is no money, and what imaginary money there is, is yet to be printed and worthless anyway. The dollar is a worthless piece of paper right now, and they know it.
hy the fuck should I go to the polls and vote for her if she’s all snuggly with that little turd? Anyone? Can anyone help me out here with some cozy rationalization? Anyone???
Maybe she’s buttering him up for that sweet ambassadorship to Uzbekistan??
im begining to think she is undiplomatic,and lacks common sense,not saying she isnt booksmart
Where’s your place? I’d like to come over and look around.
Thanks, Teddy, thanks, eg.
Just click on my name.
Jeez, just $10 each for a sandwich and a cup of coffee. He shouldn’t even use up all his petty cash fund for that, right?
(Not a whole lot of political content today - most of my time and energy went here…)
USA Today says home invasions are increasing in this country.
Britain has very strict gun control laws — and 4 x the number of home invasions as in the U.S..
Home invasion: when criminals force their way into a home, usually at night, and have plenty of time and privacy to commit crimes.
Did you see W run away from the podium?? He’s callin’ all the friends he screwed all over the world asking for a bailout.
Talk about junk bonds. Runs in the family.
he is a cheap mofo methinks!goes with his odious blowhard personality
Oh, God, haven’t those poor people suffered enough?
Eli Thank you for breaching the subject of the plight our Veterans whom we owe so much. Disclosure I am a vet but I am covered by the Vietnam Nam era bill (very lucky indeed).
I have been sickened and disgusted by what I have seen done to our vets… cut benefits, denied medical care, PTS Syndrome and lack of proper financing for the Veterans Affairs Department. All Perpetrated by the Republican party to cut costs in the name of fiscal responsibility! What fucking bullshit, just eliminating the welfare to the oil companies would go a long way towards fixing the problem. Our vets deserve all the respect and gratitude we can give them. That even one vet on the streets is a national shame!
The care I get at the VA is exceptional and because of the right wing, this current crop of veterans get only a limited amount of services and very little in the way of other benefits.
This country needs to revert to the benefits that were/are (if you don’t make too much money $26K) given to the vets of WWII Korea and the Vietnam Nam era.
In fact I think a way to fix a lot of problems of this country could be alleviated if we adopted from Star Ship Troopers that the only people who can vote or serve in the government are veterans. It sure would make those wing nuts and corporatist shake in their boots if they thought they would lose all their power…..
thank you!
Ah, but he said this isn’t about poverty, but about stuff that no-one can do anything about. Giving them money wouldn’t make them any less addled or addicted.
But the thing is, *either* explanation for 200,000 homeless vets is equally damning.
My good boy. You’ve always been my favorite. **sniff**
But not the mute button. We want to hear you.
No, no, no, no, NO.
That might lead to a whole new set of problems - on the other hand, I’d rather have Al Gore, John Kerry, or Wes Clark as president right now than Dubya.
bullkaka
the Britts threw plenty of money at what they then called
COMBAT FATIGUE,and it worked!!!(WW2)
Hah … wait ’til CT hears … he’ll turn green with envy …*g*
vetenarians
Marion at least the vets would be taken care of! Then what do you think should be done for our vets…???
You are both getting my keyboard wet.
Just quoting BillO’s rant. If no-one can do anything about it, then I guess it’s no-one’s fault, right?
Oh, God, haven’t those poor people suffered enough?
IIRC, Uzbekistan has the reputation for boiling people they don’t like…
But hey, JoeLie’s a sweet guy, right? Should be no problem…
Here Here… that war dodging whimp!
he needs to be called on it everyday…these guys are not throw aways!
Ah. She’s just being a politician. She hates the jerk.
You guys, this is the reason we have to elect Hillary. She knows WTF is going on, all of the agencies, all of the allstars, etc. Barack is well intentioned and a hell of a guy, but we need FORCE. And Hillary has the FORCE with her.
***I know this is not a popular thought here, but it’s my best offer. Hillary owns the FORCE to get these %$#@)).
i want him MR. Dual Citizen gone
You forgot. He’s going to take care of them. Said so on national television. Is he going back on his word? We cannot allow that to happen. He claims it on TV, he owes it. Period.
I totally agree with you on this … Hillary as President would certainly get back at a lot of Repugs.
Having said that, I still believe that Edwards would be the best President; maybe not for Corporate America though.
im getting angry,and that neb Shields tonite declared…THE SURGE a smashing success
Any decent human being would take care of the vets. It occurs to me that the folks who are running the show now are not decent human beings. Hence, they must go. Then the vets can and will be taken care of. The Iraq mess hits rather close to home here in Savannah — we’ve got Fort Stewart and Hunter Army Air Field right handy by. I drive past Hunter every time I get animal food.
I found myself wondering what exactly he meant by “take care of”…
simple,non flashy word….just be decent
cyanide?
Not thuggish enough.
Nancy needs a heap of angry post cards
ice pick?
Sad that it seems to have gone so out of favor in Washington the last 7 years.