All last year, Republicans obstructed and defeated virtually every progressive initiative the Democrats proposed, even going so far as to uphold Bush’s veto of health insurance for 4 million uninsured children. But yesterday, the Republicans began to line up behind a progressive economic stimulus approach, and the only way to explain it is near panic.
To be sure, it helped greatly that the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, Ben Bernanke, appears to be an intelligent, non-ideological adult — in stark contrast to the disingenuous ideologue he replaced. Bernanke, appearing before a House Budget Committee that has been considering possible elements of an economic stimulus plan, essentially endorsed the key components of the Democratic view:
(1) An economic stimulus plan was needed/worthwhile, and somewhere in the neighborhood of $100-150 billion is okay;
(2) It should be designed to get cash quickly into the hands of those most likely to spend it immediately to boost the economy; and
(3) It should be temporary and not have some permanent ("structural") adverse impact on the national debt.
The last two points appeared to deflate the hopes of Bush Republicans who had hoped to make a permanent extension of the Bush era tax cuts the center piece of the stimulus plan. Democrats would have strongly opposed that condition, and had they tried to get a stimulus plan through without them, we’d have been back to the obstruction and stalemate of last year.
Bernanke claimed he was taking no position on whether any of the Republicans’ dream proposals should be pursued in the long run, but his insistence that the stimulus be immediate and focused on those who need cash now pretty much doomed the Republican hopes. Extending the Bush tax cuts would have no effect until 2010, when they are set to expire.
Our President, fresh from his visit to the Middle East’s wealthiest dictators who feted him in the most sumptuous splendor (e.g., read MoDo’s description of the opulence for the contrast with what ordinary Americans are experiencing these days) will condescend to speak to us later today to announce his own stimulus package. I could be proved wrong in about two hours, but with Bernanke hemming in the White House and Republicans, it now seems less likely the President will again poke the country in the eye, and his Republican allies are not likely to follow Bush even if he does.
With the stock market reeling, new home construction facing it’s worst slump in 27 years, major investment firms showing record losses, and virtually every economic indicator that matters to voters looking awful — check out Blue Texan’s post for the Bush straight-Fs economic report card — the Republicans who were quite willing to obstruct children’s health care can’t afford to be seen obstructing an economic stimulus plan designed to head off recession in an election year — especially a year in which they are already expecting to get battered.
Economic stimulus when a recession approaches has a history of bipartisan support, but the Republicans put bipartisanship in the deep freeze during the Bush years. Their sudden abandonment of obstruction politics is a clear sign of fear, near panic. Or to give them credit, it’s a sign they realize that if you have to go to the polls after the worst economic performance in decades, it’s better to have embraced bipartisanship so that if the stimulus plan doesn’t work, you can at least share the blame with the Democrats.
We appear to be headed towards a set of proposals that include tax rebates — they’re talking somewhere between $300 and $800 — for low and middle income tax payers, extensions of unemployment insurance, and possibly additional support for food stamps, low-income energy bills and other programs that deal directly with people most in need. The Republicans will get a few breaks for businesses to help them expense near-term costs and investments that could also provide some stimulus. But thanks to Ben, I hope, we won’t have to fight the Bush tax cut extension battle just yet.
Update: Paul Krugman has more on how we got to this point. And Brad DeLong (via Atrios/Yglesias) asks whether we’re already in recession.
Related posts:
- NYT Can’t Recall that Republicans Who Demand “Where Are the Jobs?” All Voted Against the Stimulus
- WTF Does Bipartisan Mean, Anyway?
- Alan Grayson Speaks the Language of Morality, Causes Mass Panic
- Jobless Rate Hits 26-Year High: Does Obama Have an Economic Team? Where’s Their Jobs Program?
- Peggy Noonan: Obama’s Health Care Proposals Must Be Terrible, Because No Republicans Support Them





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yo crow
Caw Caw scarecrow. Good morning.
Caw Caw! Morning scarecrow. I watched Bernake last pm on c-span. He’s no Greenspan, or is it that the Rethugs are running scared from George’s economic mess?
Good morning, Scarecrow!
I think even people in Washington are beginning to get the picture, the economy is tanking. So it’s not just some problem out there in flyover country anymore.
Whatever the stimulus package consists of, it will not work because the
problem is structural, they sold off the production side to liquify the
Ponzi scheme, game is ending now… won’t be pretty.
caw-CAW Scarecrow!
I can’t wait to get my rebate check so I can shop harder.
good news, good morning.
OT, an interesting and disheartening development in progressosphere. A Nevada blogger/writer goes Limbaugh-esque/Malkin
shitish vs. Obama and get called on her pro-Hillary lies, for mis-stating of sources, by the local newspaper.questions: is a progressive blogger (who was at Dkos this year) doing campaign talking points and actual thuggery an aberration on our side? is this case something for community reflection/media matter action? Matthews oversteps and we complain, why not here? (Not an isolated incident, apparently) Is this where our candidate fervor is taking us?
Sorry, but I truly need to go till tonight, and did want to report this while it was fresh.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..708/438638
Yo, Raven. Good morning everyone.
My plan is to spend part of my tax rebate helping to elect more/better Democrats. That’s what’s called the “multiplier effect.”
(a) printing worthless paper
The last private equity guy getting on his executive jet to abandon America for his Carribean tax haven will have this to say…
“Good bye America… it’s been nice fleecing you.”
Patriot sonsabitch, every one of them, guess it is their version of
tough love, or tough shit love. Nasty.
So I guess you disagree with Jimmy Rogers assessment of Bernanke. I’ll go with Jimmy Rogers. The US has never been more vulnerable, under the Clintons and Bushes, our growing dependence on foreign oil threatens our basic stability. You take a business as usual aproach to our current situation.
Re:
Good Lord, these Teapot Tempests are getting seriously boring. Ugh. That diary is in need of an editor.
Isn’t there some deal about tax refunds being delayed this year because of some cluster fuck?
Re:
Let’s keep a little perspective, shall we? From 1860 to 1864 there was a little thing called the Civil War that threatened to blow the country apart. Later, from 1932 to 1940 there was a little episode that threatened to end the laisee faire capitalist system completely. That was a period of vulnerability.
What we’ve got going on now with the economy is worth paying attention, but not worth getting hysterical about.
Because the R’s obstructed the D’s plan to fix the AMT permanently, instead of for just this year.
The shear, nekkid truth, Ray
And the fleeced will then sheepishly
say, to them on the lam(b);
‘You – baaaaaaahd!
You – baaaaahd!’
‘You gamboled our
hopes away…’
Good morning, Scarecrow!!!
Re:
It has to do with the sausage being made regarding the Alternative Minimum Tax. Congress is in a “damed if you do, damned if you don’t” episode right now.
I haven’t done the math yet, but what would a healthy, yet realistic, reduction in gas-at-the-pump prices total compared to that $100b temp fix?
When will we learn? Zeitgeist: The Federal Reserve
I’ll use my rebate to pay off part of my vet bill. Do these fools really think giving everybody a few hundred bucks is going to lower the great sucking sound from the corporate greed sector? The economy has been rigged to operate on credit so if we give a pittance to people they’ll run right out and borrow a couple grand for toys so the equity holdings of the rich white men won’t self-destruct? Yeah, right. Assholes.
EPU’d from prev thread.
Here is an interesting bit.
The dolphins and whales are either with us.. ..or with the terrists.
D-Dub,
Re:
As I see it, there are three kinds of people in the world.
Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen (that’s this crew) and those who ask, “what happened?” And we all know who they are…
They are the sort of people who when confronted with a clerk in New Hampshire asking them if they wanted a Democratic or Republican ballot simply standing there dumbfoundedly and failing to decide.
God Bless America… and please save us from the Americans.
“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” –Winston Churchill
Assume 2 fill ups a month, at $45 each.
Assume gas prices fall by 1/3
That’s $90/mo times 1/3 times 12 months = $360 per year.
Or to put it another way, we have to have the stimulus to counteract the excess flow of dollars to producers. But the surge is a success.
I’m glad to know that Bernanke is an adult.
How long will he serve as head of the Federal Reserve? Can he be fired by petulant Presidents?
I have faith that our fearless representative will find some way to make this crisis into a money give-away. Shower the corporations with money. Then the people that matter can get more wealthy while the rest of us drown.
I predict it will be the finger in the eye from Bush today.
Fortunately, Bush needs a Bernanke — or someone perceived as credible — to provide cover.
A $100B is subsidized price reductions on gasoline would be equivalent to $100B in handouts/rebates paid in coupons that could only be spent on gasoline. But note that much of the money spent on gasoline leaves the country. So a stimulus that is earmarked for gasoline purchases does less to boost the U.S. economy than stimulus that is not so restricted.
Morn ing Crow & Crew
You can make my refund check out to the oil guy.
If the Republicans were smart, the Recession( Depression) wouldn’t have started until Hoover Jr was in Parquay
What we need in 2008 is Unity, not finger pointing.
Which is why some of us dream of McCain/Lieberman.
Looks like Huckabee not only thinks he’s running for President of the Evangelical, he’s running for President of South Carolina.
What does it profit a man if he wins SC, but loses his own soul?
That really needs a spew warning!
‘morning all – coffee is ready…
this tax rebate seems like it might help things out for a month, but then what happens?
Yep, and if the “stimulus” were issued as gasoline coupons, it would simply increase demand for gasoline, making matters worse.
Your dream is my nightmare
Anyone see this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22722218/ Waxman said POTUS has conflict on E-Mails
When it comes to economic stimulus, Republicans believe in trickledown (what GHWB called “voodoo economics”) while Democrats believe in giving the money to the little guy and letting Republican entrepreuners compete for it in the marketplace. Democrats are the ones who truly believe in the free market and understand how it does and doesn’t work.
Whose fingers would they amputate?
The situation won’t be addressed by a stimulus package. The failure was largely regulatory, and will take a long time to recover from, as the depth of the shitpile is revealed. See krugman today.
nightmare , nightmare nightmare , nightmare nightmare , nightmare nightmare , nightmare
a repeating nightmare
Gut check time in Kabul. Our Oregon progressive blog, Blue Oregon reporting on a former Rep. Wu staffer dying in a Kabul, Afghanistan attack on a “safe hotel”.
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008…..david.html
And here I thought Bush said we won that one, too.
Thanks for the Krugman link. I’ll add that to the post.
Elliott January 18th, 2008 at 5:35 am 25
I’m glad to know that Bernanke is an adult.
How long will he serve as head of the Federal Reserve? Can he be fired by petulant Presidents?
_________________
i call your Federal Reserve Chairman and raise you nine US Attourneys.
The Bushspeech should be about 11:50 est
Ah, the tripartite ‘view’ -
What’re your thoughs on metamorphic
‘tippin’ pernts’?
(impelling the mid-way, lurkers
to reaction/response
action/proaction?
Fair to middlin’ or;
are you pulling my
leg -go?
This question might have even greater ‘moment’ when people realize that they are gonna witness rapid environmental ‘change’ of unprecedented nature, resulting in dire consequence (sooner rather that posterity’s
‘later’) perhaps even affecting their personal ‘comfort’. Assuming, as I do that Lovelock may not be far wrong.
Tell me true, are we up to the challenge, Ray, or do we await some savior on a white steed to shew us ‘da way’?
Raven, TRex was wondering last night where you were these days. Just FYI (www.iamtrex.com).
I think it’s finally sunk in that Jim Cramer for all his sweaty ranting theatrics is absolutely right. We’re already in the recession.
Now let’s fix it…and it will be a tough job. Far beyond the ability of a Gentlemanly C prancing in his fur-lined robe. Let ‘em eat gateau indeed.
You know, I think “straight F’s” on the economy for Bush should be an object lesson for other MBA’s with delusions of leadership.
Bragging rights for Oregon’s Congresscritters:
Congressional Quarterly just reported on who most agressively opposed the Bush Agenda in the House. And the winners are Peter De Fazio and Darlene Hooley, tied at 99.1% opposition to tyranny!
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008…..s-pre.html
Rudy Guili – such a treasure:
The best in America’s can-do spirit.
OT
Next NYC area FDL meetup:
Friday, January 25, 6pm at Parnells Pub, 53rd Street & First Avenue.
Come one, come all.
It’s not personal. Just business.
Scarecrow – wigwam
I’m not suggesting a gasoline subsidy because that just makes matters worse without addressing one of the problem’s sources. I understand increased global demand, to a certain point, but I’m a believer that prices are inflated primarily due to speculation (designed for excessive profit)
OT
Rep Reyes is up on CSPAN talking about the destruction of the torture tapes
O/t -
Via Josh:
#3 US Diplomat Nicholas Burns Steps Down (personal reasons)
http://in.reuters.com/article/…..2220080118
Anyone know what this bodes?
Re:
I’m definitely backing the horse. Heck, Mr. Ed made more sense than most people in Congress today…
But I digress.
As far as tipping points… omigod. Many of you all will have by now read or seen Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth”. Turns out, ol’ Al left a lot of really inconvenient possibilities out of his essentially sugar-coated version of global warming. For a really much more adult version of Gore’s “aim at the lowest common denominator, George” version of impending global catastrophes, I highly recommend Joe Romm’s “Hell and High Water: Global Warming–the Solution and the Politics–and What We Should Do” [Folks may wish to note this a blue ocean plate special today.] Joe also sallies forth onto the swells of sophistication w/r/t the lastest on the real climate on the eponymously named RealClimate.org
I’ve one more reco, but I’ll let you chew on that much for now.
A few hundred bucks in rebate checks ain’t gonna solve our problems. The best and biggest thing we can do to ensure our economic well-being going forward is to GET OUT OF IRAQ! Because even when the housing bubble evens out and the credit crunch is past, we’ll still have a trillion dollar black hole where our national budget should be. It’s amazing to me that nobody’s talking about this.
the only time the goopers are bipartisan is when they are trying to share blame.
Good snackies, indeed!
Re:
Do you think he’ll handle this any better than his blunderous naivete regarding a softball question from a reporter about Sunni v. Shi’a?
To paraphrase Mike Milken, I’m highly confident that Reyes will find a way to screw the pooch on this investigation.
Republican economics = laissez unfair capitalism
I’ll say this much, Reyes does not shine
The other really bright climate change book I’ve read recently is Fred Pearce’s “With Speed and Violence: Why Scientists Fear Tipping Points in Climate Change“
This one makes Malcolm Gladwell kinda look like a putz. (Gladwell’s book is a huge success, mostly because it is so innocuous and non-threatening, just like Freakonomics’ baby-talk version of real economist talk.)
Nick is an acquaintance. I imagine he is sick of carrying water for these incompetents.
Driving all the good people out of government: heckova job
On the other paw,
We’re in Good Hands
with all-state(spersons)
conscientiously foregoing
self-interest -to rally
(in the Mur-kan tradition)
’round reason, rational
response and righteous
responsibility.
There is no need of
A Larm! A Lert!
A Dults A Head!
(Well, I can hope, can’t I?….)
gimme break. Nothing you have referred to is as threatening to our fundamental existence as our dependence on what comes out of the ground in Saudi Arabia and others united in interest with that corupt regime. Skip the hyperbole about hysterics.
Thanks, eg….unfortunate if he’s one of the good guys. :-(
Egregious, my impression is that he was one of the non-Kool Aid sotted adults in the diplomatic corps.
He was in charge of the Iran matter, that may be a real bad sign that he’s getting out of Dodge.
-G
That’s what I’m gonna do, too. Or, I will buy from a local, small business. I refuse to spend my rebate on products or services that will further multi-national companies (Wal-Mart, Target, GE, etc.) I despise Bush, Greenspan, Friedman, etc. Fucking greedy sons-of-bitches.
War.
My Fair Lady,
I’m curious about your use of the seemingly obscurantist “electic” as opposed to the everyday “eclectic”. Is there a story behind this eytmological egress?
Higgins
Massachusetts has its own torture tapes scandal.
A facility for disturbed kids routinely used electric shock to subdue the kids, even for minor infractions. Now it turns out they had video tapes of it and destroyed them after being told not to.
It can’t happen here.
Yep.
DING! DING! DING!
I thought maybe he wanted to spend more time with Andy Card’s family. *g*
Lou Dobbs was ranting last night about how it would be best if we spend the rebates on US-produced products, but we can’t find any.
$300 Tax Rebate for a single person (me) and up to $800 for a family…
Ya think that is going to pay someone’s back mortgage payments so they can keep their house?
Ya think it will pay for those medical bills?
$300 is groceries and gas for a month for me (work from home). In a family of 4 it would be gone in a week. Some stimulus. Homeowners are still going to loose their homes. Cars will still be sitting on the side of the road out of gas before payday. Food banks are empty with double and triple of their normal requests.
Economic stimulus = jobs and raises. Tax rebates don’t pay the bills.
I heard him say that. For once, I couldn’t fault him…until his next sentence.
You might try getting up on the other side of the bed. ;0)
LOL: True is true …
Oil Right!
Petroleum Petulancy
or
Gravitas Gas
we kneed
Proper Perspective or
we’re flat on our
as you were saying:
It is a ‘holey’ war
we be in,
to fail to get ‘that’
would be quite a sin (grin)
Every time I flip to a news blog, there’re more stories of companies laying off employees…..at this rate, we’ll be lucky if 50% of the country is employed in another friedman.
Hmmmmmmmm….will RayD..ay buy that I’m playin’ with words? elect, electric, eclectic, why not electic???????
Or maybe my IBEW-daddy was poltergeisting thru the cyber-ether….
Or should I ‘fess up and say I immediately checked my blog and went uh-oh, ooops. typo. sometimes the biggest ones get away….
Or maybe I’ll leave it and a new word is born…will an angel get her wings?
Re:
Holey Cow! Ya think? Could America’s entire Middle East policy be based on protecting the bagel shops of Beersheba?
The Dems should attach every measure vetoed by Bush to this legislation.
That’s what the Repugs would do.
I love that idea! Pelosi and Reid don’t have the balls to do it though. *sigh* It would be really great if that was their 1st offer though. Bipartisanship be damned!
$300-$800 dollars is going to help who get their payments on home loans caught up? A one time spurt won’t juice the economy. Another rate cut by helicopter Ben will not have a lasting effect on the Stock Market, but it might give people enough of a boost to sell at a profit.
GE is doing just dandy…
Re:
Nope, it’s not a new word. You’ve just won the William Safire prize for Etymological Excellence!
Yet the CEO ’stimulus packages’ remain… Priorities, people!
The ‘Bay State’ shocks. Our barbarism is becoming us, don’t you think, Scarecrow?
CNN personal financial expert, sorry didn’t catch her name, saying no it isn’t patriotic to expect you to carry the weight of the world economy on your shoulders by shopping.
Pay down debt. Know what your finances are…don’t hide from it. Watch your spending.
Congress, you listenin’?
I donut know, my friend it is wholly rolling along a road paved with
baaaaahd intentions, ‘twould seem.
when tapes like this -torture tapes- are destroyed how does that affect the court case, this has to count against them somehow, right?
A tax rebate would help if the problem were one of liquidity. The problem is actually SOLVENCY. eCAHN where are you? help.
Hear! Hear!
If we ended the war and stopped spending so much money that would help the dollar get stronger. If we stopped military spending on starwars, closed a few hundred military bases and stopped spending on new weapons that would help more. Down size the army and put the troops to work fixing roads and bridges pouring concrete pays well.
People with money buy new homes. I wonder how many National Guard and Reserve Troops have had their income drop because they had to leave their jobs to go to Iraq. I wonder how many have put off buying homes until their financial situation was more stable?
The sooner we pull out of Iraq the sooner they can home earn some cash and buy homes. If we frame the argument this way then we get the Realtors voting for us.
1,730 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
We are well and truly fucked…the fascists have had the objective of destroyin’ our “free” productive economy since the 1930’s. Their strategy is “crisis capitalism” that backfired on ‘em in the 1930’s but the political apparatus has been in place now since the “Reagan Revolution” and the tax cuts and a phony war have completely bankrupted the system so that even a new “New Deal” structure and reforms can’t put it back tagether ‘cuz there’s no equity left in the economy and no resources left to rebuild .
We have reached the end of capitalism…whatever evolves ta replace it ain’t gunna include the United States as a main player. And politically, two of the three Democratic candidates for president are wholly owned shills for the corporate oligarchy that not only has all the cash but has control of the nuclear technology to extend it’s ersatz war for empire to the rest a the globe. I predict that Europe, the Arabs and China are gunna disenfranchise the dollar as the linchpin of world currency markets and the corporate fascists who are left sittin’ on top of a rusting industrial waste dump will threaten the rest a the world with what’s left of our war-makin’ machine.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR HAS COME HOME AND THE ENEMY IS US!!
Ding, Ding, Ding! Has anyone wondered where this ‘rebate’ money is coming from? With this ’stimulus package’ the end result is increasing our debt and selling more of the US to China and Japan. And the Saudi’s are buying our banks. Helicopter Ben is creating more inflation everytime he lowers the interest rates for the banks which devalues the dollar. The hard work is to get people to save by increasing savings rates, living wages, and stop pumping 100’s of billions of dollars into Iraq. The rebate money is already spent by the poor and middle-class as their bills pile-up and collection agencies hound them. And the rest of us will not pump it back into the economy but will save it due to the economic turndown.
But, but, but, they’re going to give them more food stamps…..
What we’ve done to our National Guard/Reserves is 1. unconscionable, 2. stoopit planning.
A 6 month freeze on home foreclosures would help steady home prices. Every foreclosure helps drop the price of the next foreclosed house. In return give the banks tax credits they can use when they get profitable again.
Considering the dropping value of the Dollar it would be a bargain if they got those tax credits now.
Fuck the banks!
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Citizen RockPaperSissors:
Yep…it’s the end a the game allright…the only question is how much of the rest a the world are our home gown fascist masters gunna be able ta take with ‘em. And are we gunna let ‘em?
KEEP THE FAITH, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!
First thing is to NOT allow ANY GOPer to “co-sponsor” any stimulus bill. They must be left out in the cold and merely allowed to vote yay or nay on the bill when it comes to the floor.
Second thing is the bill needs to contain a few riders. One good rider could be “no permanent bases or long-term presence in Iraq because it is too costly and the economy is in tatters”.
One would think so. Also legislature. State legislature had balked at prohibiting shock “therapy” but is now moving to restrict it in such facilities as a means of discipline. It all sounds medieval.
As the econmy begins to implode it’s time to go for the Achilles heel of the Republican Party. The legacy of Herbert Hoover. Republican economic policies will always result in an unequal distribution of wealth and the eventual suffering of the middle and forgotten classes. Hang the current economic woes around the Republican necks like a stone.
Sorry. Got lots of stuff to do today, so can’t participate. Just reading comments between making bed, watering plants, showering, other chores.
There will be plenty of other opportunities to discuss economic stimulus over the next month or so.
Great post, ‘crow. This gathering economic storm is why Iraq is off the front page.
I don’t know about you, but I’m moving to Minnesota, getting a second job and working longer hours. Also, I figure if I put my 9 and 11 year olds to work, we can probably make ends meet. I’ll tell Michelle Bachman that we’re the workingest family in the state.
Meanwhile the years of Bush diplomacy are bearing fruit. The entire world is on a tripwire these days.
Shia on Shia violence erupts in southern Iraq.
Pakistan appears to be entering an actual civil war.
Israel has locked down Gaza and Olmert states Israel is at war in Gaza.
Tourists killed in Yemen.
The first attack on US interests in Lebanon on almost two decades.
The maelstrom is spinning faster and faster.
-G
I’m sure Bachman appreciates your sacrifice. The woman is clueless.
diary at kos on stagflation:
Our Sins Remembered
Reagan anyone?
You can’t stimulate this economy because all we do is buy junk from china or fuel from abroad. Money is being sucked out of the country, the dollar is in the tank and the managers are skimming theirs as the cash flees.
The you have all the suckers like the insurance industry and the financial sector who add nothing to the economy although they would never fess up to it. All they do is extract wealth from working people.
You are right but I bet the GOP never counted on their “Shock Doctrine ” to explode their beloved banks, financial companies and hedge funds. If a normal person looses a home well he lost the most he could afford with his credit.
The banks however made 10 to 1 loans to the hedges for home loan paper that is sinking in value. You and I never got those sweet deals and now we are not facing those kinds of losses.
Somehow I doubt even Bush could devalue the Dollar enough to make a 10 to 1 loan Ok Heck even a 50% devaluation would cause riots. Plus everybody would drop their T-Bills.
Sure we will suffer but Bush’s plan is not enough to stop Bush’s base the economic elites from suffering even more.
Although I’m sure Nancy and Harry would try and get regular Americans to bailout the rich if we had the money.
Blue Texan has a nice new post about Clinton and Nevada upstairs.
I like the republican clown candidates explaining their views of the economy. Romney: I got rich outsourcing and firing people, so I know how hard it is for workers. Thompson: a good case can be made for doing nothing. Huckabee: replace the income tax with a sales tax, and hope for your reward in heaven. Giuliani and Paul: nobody in the media cares enough to tell us. McCain: untranslatable.
72% of the GDP is based on consumerism and Helicopter Ben is desperate to maintain the status quo. Personally, I believe the end result is the US will become a ‘post consumerist’ society, similar to Denmark’s education, health, and public policies. Until then it’s gonna be a painful process of weaning us off of the spend spend spend teat.
“This recession will not be sector by sector. It will be all encompassing simultaneously. Consumer spending and borrowing will not hold up this time, everything is going into the tank. Twenty-five years of ‘shop until you drop’ is over.”
http://theinternationalforecas…..icleid=214
THE WELFARE STATE AS A POLITICAL COMPROMISE
The Scandinavian welfare model acts within a controlled capitalist market economy in which inequalities in income distribution and the concentration of wealth and power are allowed less free play.
http://www.denmark.dk/en
They already are, there in not a bank, hedgefund or financial company that I would trust to make a profit for the next two years.
But Kudlow on MSNBC should be Hilarious to watch as his head explodes.
My heart bleeds purple piss for the financial institutions (read: life-sucking vampires) that have bent over and rammed the average US citizen at every possible opportunity. Socialism bears down and is smiling.
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Citizen ThingsComeUndone:
Of course ‘…Bush’s plan is not enough to keep the economic elites from suffering even more” but that’s the point, ain’t it, we are ALL fucked and thanks to Ronald Reagan and the success of the DLC and the corporate fascists of the 1980’s, we don’t have the political muscle left ta get out of the mess. Capitalism AND democracy are dead in our country.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER…THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!
At least it won’t be as bad as in Argentina. Krugman points out this morning that our foreign debt is denominated in dollars, which is a big help for us. Next two years very bad. Makes a point I made 30 years ago in my first refereed economics article. How time flies.
” insurance industry and the financial sector who add nothing to the economy although they would never fess up to it. All they do is extract wealth from working people.”
I think dying animals shed parasites as the parasites look for a new host.
A collapse could leave us reduced or dying. But once free of parasites who use lobbyists to buy Congressmen we could decide to limit insurance profits, regulate financial companies, produce hybrid cars and clean energy. Plus save money with national healthcare then we would be better off.
Are we better off than we were 7 yrs ago? Under Bush the GOP had every chance to try their ideas they failed. So lets go LEFT on the economy.
So we rebuild on their graves Dancing. I am so looking forward to it. But yeah we are all fucked. But they are fucked even more!
Give me a pair of those rose-colored glasses, would ya?
…and jest where is the leader comin’ from that will lead the dance…no dear friend we are ALL well and truly fucked and there is no “Kansas” ta go home to.
Also it seems Bush knows he is fucked especially if he is not asking to make his tax cuts permanent. I smell weakness, blood in the water now would be the time to attack if only we had leaders.
If only Pelosi and Reid were just average chess players. Alas, they are not. RIP Bobby Fisher.
Huckabee is qualified to be President of Dumbfuckistan.
“…if we only had the leaders” but we don’t, Mrs. Clinton is gunna lead us into a replay of the end of Wiemar and 2010 is gunna make 1933 Germany look like the fuckin Renaissance!
Thank you Norske. Gender is not the real issue with her. The real issue is the clan to which she belongs.
and of course fascism is a liberal conspiracy…that’s it, my last brain cellz jest popped.
The
pirateselites have screwed themselves since there’s nowhere to hide the devalued dollars.I caught all kinds of hell in grad school for my Weimar analogies, but
I have never given them up, we are well and truly fucked, there is no
family farm to go home to and do Walton’s mountain, cities full of maxed
out credit carders with no place to go, no working jobs to survive on.
Thanks citizen Norske.
Part of the plan of the far right to muddy the waters and place the blame anywhere but with those responsible.
-G
If it says master bullshit artist on the bottom of your diploma can we just shorten it to MBA? It’s hard work putting all those letters down on paper in the proper ,damn hard I tell ya.
Re:
The really serious swindlers among them have simply abandoned the dollar. Even back in 2003 when Barack Obama’s predecessor was hurling flings and arrows at Enron’s Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling, Senator Peter Fitzgerald (R. IL) had about all of his $30 Million net worth in Canadian Loonies and the Euro.
The smart guys know the dollar is doomed. They are already out of it.
1,730 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen RayDuray:
You are right fuckin’ on…both capitalism and democracy are dead in this country but the crooks won’t survive ‘cuz neither Europe er China will have the bastards and the dollar is done as a currency of wealth.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE’RE GUNNA HAFTA SHOOT OUR WAY OUTTA THIS ONE!!
Ah, you’d be disillusioned. What you’d get with this couple is endless war. Unity in the afterlife, there’s the ticket!
Bernanke’s a conservative inflationist and something of a hack. He is not, however, a complete fool and the Fed is in a policy bind which it needs help from the legislative side to fix.
Bush and Bernanke push corporate socialism
The financial types made, packaged and sold huge numbers of poor mortgages. As they traded these shoddy assets back and forth amongst themselves they, (Wall Street) paid themselves $25 billion in bonuses for 2006 and $32 billion for 2007.
Now Bernacke and Bush recommend a stimulus to replace the missing equity capital in the financial system. How can this not be called socialism? Or is socialistic tinkering with the system to protect the rich called a stimulus package while providing health care is oh so unAmerican.
The nation’s debt has skyrocketed from six to nine trillion dollars under Bushco and as a legacy for his last year he will oversee spending a couple hundred billion dollars we don’t have to bail out his cronies.
Meanwhile a useful scorecard to watch is that the Pound and the Euro continue to soar against the dollar even while Europe manages to out “fiscal” the USA and, I repeat, and provide a comprehensive social net for the health and retirement of their workers.
We get to inject billions into the economy in an act of corporate socialism; Wall Street takes out $57billion and yet helping the poor with medical bills and heating costs remains a danger to the American psyche.
As the accountants say: “Go figure.”
“Nice to snow you.”
It’s there. Everybody knows it. Bush stands in the way. Nobody will oppose him…yet.
Nancy Nancy, is the table set for din din yet?
= suicide pact economics
What’s going wrong?
Oil prices are up.
Iraq is costing us a lot of money and preventing businesses from borrowing money.
Food prices are up, due in large part to oil prices.
Housing prices spiked when ARMs kicked in.
Incomes aren’t rising fast enough to keep pace.
Jobs are still being outsourced.
America still moves away from manufacturing.
How are exports? They should be going up as the dollar weakens.
Overview:
Essentially we’ve been going in the wrong direction too fast for quite some time and the chickens are just now coming home to roost.
Prescription:
We need to increase incomes with more jobs and better paying jobs.
We need to end the war in Iraq.
We need to ease pressures on businesses with tax cuts.
We need to take the pressure off everybody and off the ability to borrow money.
We need to fix the home mortgage crisis.
We need to stop the growing shift of wealth away from almost everybody to give to a few people because it’s screwing up the economy.
We need to fix international business, so we stop exporting jobs so fast, at least so we can grow replacement jobs fast enough.
We need to find new ways to create jobs (green-collar jobs for instance).
Comment:
This has been a big part of the Democratic Party platform for some time and the Republicans have been trying to stop it.