This new poll looks completely different from last week’s, which showed a virtual three-way tie between the Dems.
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Mitt Romney have comfortable leads in Nevada going into Saturday’s presidential campaign caucuses, according to a new Review-Journal poll.
Clinton’s 9-point lead over Barack Obama, 41 percent to 32 percent, maintains the lead she’s held in most state polls despite Obama’s intense efforts to compete here and his recent union endorsements. John Edwards trails with 14 percent of the vote.
From within the margin of error to this? Go figure.
Pollsters have come in for criticism since the majority got New Hampshire wildly wrong, predicting an Obama win by double digits when in the end Clinton came away with a narrow victory.
Concerns also have been raised about the difficulty of polling for Nevada’s first-time early caucus, since it is difficult to determine who will attend.
Who knows? I’m pretty sure whatever happens, however, will be good for Rudy and John McCain.
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BT!
Told them downstairs; now to read the post!
Good morning, Blue Texan!
Hooray for Rudy and John! Oops, sorry about that.
Guess those pollsters will never learn!
Good Morning BT!
I am watching Edwards allegedly sinking like a boulder. His name rarely appears in headlines any more. Reference to him comes way below the fold, if at all. He has been/is being totally marginalized and written off (by pollsters and MSM). And yet, IMO, he is the most viable and presidential candidate in the field. Que pasa???
Hoping for a Ron Paul win.
(I just love watching wingnut heads explode…)
The presidential race is just the surface. What is going in Nevada is a giant labor mudfight. The teachers are angry with the culinary workers for not supporting an increase in the casino tax for education.
I think there are more union organizers (from all the unions ) in the state then actual voters.
I liked Jon Stewart’s question the other night, along the lines of:
Why do the pollsters even bother? What does this add to the discourse?
I can see individual campaigns doing their own polling, as this would help them target their message, etc.
But what value do the national polls provide, other than grist to fill news shows? Are there not more important things to be reporting… more important questions to be asked?
most of the media personalities are too stupid to discuss issues
Why do the pollsters even bother?
Uh, maybe because they are pollsters?
I really have a hard time with this poll. If you look at the two previous ones on pollster, they’re pretty tight. This one looks like it’s from early December, unless there’s been some recent major movement.
Odd.
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
Let’s repeat this: Presidential Polling Has Been Proven Meaningless
What part of wasting time don’t we understand, people?
The media chooses our candidates. Big business is the new America, not free elections and there is nothing we can do!
That ol’ Doc Paul, he’s bona fide trouble.
The poll was conducted M-W this week
But the last line of article from the LV paper says it all about the poll
“Buyer beware”
When Tom Brokaw asked this same question of Chris Matthews on the night of the NH election fiasco, Chris got all flustered and excited and claimed that they follow the polls because the people of this country want to know what’s going to happen before it does. So he projected his personality flaw on all the rest of us. Brokaw said we should be content to report the news after it actually happens (as opposed to making the news when it doesn’t happen.) That would be a nice treat!
Check’s in the mail….
According to Gerry Willets, financial reporter on CNN, proposal will be $800 singles/$1600 couples rebate.
Re:
Perhaps, though I’d say the larger portion are smart, informed and utterly disingenuous.
Will this one be an advance on this year’s taxes, like the last $300-$600 rebate?
Ah, a prebate.
Ummm…..tax rebates? What about the poor who don’t PAY any taxes? (My economic understanding is woefully inadequate, so maybe it’s a dumb question.)
We need the Primaries to keep going longer. The longer it goes on the more talk there is about choices and issues. We have the money to burn to get our message out. Anger over the issues has already given us 70% of the vote.
Being nice and bipartisan risks diluting the anger and our turnout. Talking about the issues helps fan the anger since there is noway not to be angry if you think about the issues.
Want optimism in your political perspective? Think about what the States are doing to lead reform, says David Sirota today.
(Snip)
“In a move making health care lobbyists quiver, Washington state Sen. Karen Keiser (D), chairwoman of her legislature’s powerful health committee, this week introduced the nation’s most far-reaching universal health care proposal (Emph. mine). Her legislation is the American West’s version of a parallel Wisconsin initiative, and the replication suggests this model may begin building the universal health care system our country wants.”
A commenter left this message on my blog. I watched the first segment of the BBC series. It is MUST viewing, pups. Many of you are so smart, you already know much about how we became a nation of sheep, steered by what Edward Bernays’ daughter describes as “enlightened despotism.” The series meticulously outlines the emergence of PR (bidness and political), polling, et al. Please check this out! Here’s the comment:
For a real eye-opener on how long it’s been like that do a google on “The century of the self” and watch the BBC documentary by Adam Curtis. Corroborating evidence can be found in Alex Carey’s book “Taking the Risk out of Democracy.”
Re:
They’re not called invisible for nothing. They don’t pay, they don’t vote, and in Washington’s world, they don’t count.
Who cares about the horse racer. Shame on FDL to playing that game.
Great Catch I live in Seattle :)
Perhaps next week we’ll get to watch Pelosi smiling sweetly (in a bipartisan way) as she meets with the Decider about his new economic stimulus legislation.
Well, that is how they got universal healthcare in Canada, apparently — a visionary in one province enacted it, and it became so popular it couldn’t be stopped from going nationwide.
Food for thought.
I think the Dems are talking about more foodstamps. Hmm the Dems must be worried about riots and if Bush is agreeing to this rather than pushing for tax cuts…then things must be about to get real bad.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..IUC2V1.DTL
The City of San Francisco’s health care plan withstands initial court challenge and goes forward, It is officially opened for business
A big shout out to Supervisor Tom Ammiano for making it happen
Friday Chair-dancing Break!
Rolling Stones – Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker – live! from ‘73)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvRT_VCw1oo
What does Paul Krugman, the few liberal economists out there and the market bears think of this stimulus plan is what I want to know? Also just who advises Nancy on the economy? Lobbyists because it sure isn’t Economic Lefties, or any economist not to the right of Larry Kudlow.
Jon Stewart had on John Zogby recently and asked the “esteemed” pollster at the very end (referencing the supposed incorrect #’s in NH), “Do you think polls actually influence how people vote?”
Zogby’s answer? “I don’t know (laughs).”
The whole interview was quite disturbing in how unaware Zogby seemed about all the larger issues. It sure plays into the theory that polls exist specifically to influence voting behaviour.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi…..john-zogby
I can’t help but think Obama will win. First, the most critical factor being major union support. Second, the whole “Clinton is a racist” thing will hurt her across the board. And lastly, I can’t help but consider my female friends’ past experiences caucusing in which they believe it’s more difficult for women to withstand the peer pressure, especially if a candidate is widely considered, uh, unlikeable.
My prediction: Obama takes her out by 3. You heard it hear first, folks!
Hi Barbara,
I’ve watched UK documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis’s three series, “The Century of Self”, “The Power of Nightmares” and “The Trap”. Of the three, Nightmares is by far my favorite because I really think it distills the essence of what is wrong with Anglo-American politics today.
Here’s a little bit of trivia for you. Edward Bernays was frequently employed by the U.S. Government as a consultant on public propaganda and controlling the public’s mind. In 1954 he got an assignment to go to Guatemala where the CIA was helping to foment unrest and eventually remove President Arbenz from power. Arbenz was a moderately progressive leftist in the same mold as Chile’s Salvador Allende. What got our CIA involved was that Arbenz threatened to seize some of the surplus and undeveloped properties that had been acquired by the United Fruit Corporation under extremely dubious circumstances. It turns out that the C.I.A. head at the time, Allen Dulles also sat on the board of directors of United Fruit. What that bastard did was to use the muscle of the U.S. government for his own personal greed. And created 50 years of misery and terror for the poor of Guatemala. And Bernays…. what was he up to? In the days just prior to the coup he was intrumental in controlling the radio stations in Guatemala and spreading the sort of fake news that Orson Welles did in “War of the Worlds”. Bernay’s creativity included reports of mass unrest that the government couldn’t control, sound effects such that listeners thought bombs were going off all around the radio station and just about every other dirty trick he could think of. Of course this meant that Bernays has enjoyed a sterling reputation in the U.S. ever since.
“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” –H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
Oh, and that blasted lawsuit will hurt her too. I forgot that one.
Liberal Fascism on the march in San Francisco.
-G
I’m not sure it matters who the advisers are. The Democrats just go along with whatever Bush wants anyway. They should be called GoAlongocrats.
I wonder if Bush is not pushing to make his tax cuts permanent, then just how bad is the economy going to get? I assume that his change in position on this issue is the result of inside information on the economy forcing his hand and NOT that he has seen reason about the economy.
A big enough collapse would discredit the GOP completely and the Center Dem position on the issues.
Sheeeit. Well I may not be voting for any candidate come November then. I will NOT vote for Clinton. Period.
WTF with Nevadans?! AFTER Clinton tries to disenfranchise workers that happen to belong to a union that had the gall to NOT kiss Clinton’s corporate ass they all start lining up like sheep behind her anyway?
I may have to truly give up. Americans WILL only vote against their own best interests, FOR war without end, FOR corporations ruling our lives.
Fucktards.
At TPM Josh is reporting that Obama’s past anti-gambling positions are hurting him in Nevada.
Today was the first I had heard about that.
True it does seem they just take the GOP position on everything. Which means that between the GOP and Dems they only have one brain between them…KKKarl’s
“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” –H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
I am an Edwards supporter for that very reason. I would add that he speaks for the disenfranchised who have no voice. I love the hope of Obama but this reaching across the aisle to 1994 take no hold rethugs reeks of opportunism,triangulation, and rhetoric rather than reasoned wisdom.
I HATE tax rebate shit for “stimulus”. What a goddamned crock. People have to wait until AFTER they file their taxes before they will ever see ANYTHING when they need the money NOW.
A tax credit rather than a rebate would be nice but it is still too little too late by the time you get to see it.
And then there are all the people that don’t pay taxes…what to they get? When?
Bush doesn’t care about the economy beyond how it affects the family trust funds. If he’s changed his positions, it’s because of that.
Obama and gambling
when he was in the state senate he voted against gambling interests
I rather doubt it will hurt him since the Culinary Workers and the Casino owners serve the same interests.
I just wish Edwards would vary the “the every fiber of being” and “it’s in heart” thing.
The father of Medicare in North America was then Premier of Saskatechewan, Tommie Douglas.
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation produced a 3-hour mini-series on Douglas called “Prairie Giant”. It is without question one of the two or three best movies I’ve seen in the past decade. It’s the only movie I like to watch over and over again. Douglas was a socialist and a winner. It’s so heartwarming to see the People win a round in politics, and the Medicare plan for Saskatechewan was almost immediately picked up by the national government of Canada, at the same time that Lyndon Johnson brought a watered down version to the U.S.
Douglas was voted the most beloved Canadian in history recently.
And “Prairie Giant”? Powerful political forces censored it so that it is no longer available to influence the youth of Canada into understanding socialism and how much better it is than the ruthless dog-eat-dog predatory capitalism of Prime Minister Steven Harper and his pro-Washington pack of jackals.
If you can find a copy of “Prairie Giant” you’ll be glad you took the trouble to try to locate it.
[Mod Note; FDL does not promote or condone illegal downloading of copyrighted materials. Thank you.]
Its Friday
I just sent $$ to Edwards. Over on Kos people are donating. Hope it helps
Agree, also if this is getting “out there” now it is because Hillary’s friends are the owners, and they perhap are concerned.
On the polls more generally for Nevada, there was something in Bill Clinton’s response yesterday which was so out of control suggest that they feel there is real reason for concern. And, indeed, as I mentioned yesterday, they may be setting up a rationale if/when they lose. Also, around the country this could be bad for them because unions (including SEIU) will not forget their actions against them.
As a former Repub strategist who’s turned PURPLE, my hope it pinned on Obama but since this is the home of Vegas, unfortunately my money would be on Clinton.
Mr. Purple
Now wait just a galdarn minute there, Uncle Ray! As a disabled person on Social Security and Medicare, I am one of those in the “poor” category who don’t pay taxes, and although I don’t make ends meet, there is a reasonable gap monthly. I do, however, vote, and I expect my vote to count! If I have to make some noise to make that happen, so be it!
Sirota does a great job. I got introduced to him because he was a regular on Al Franken’s show I used to stream from the web. Thanks for reminding me of his site.
I am skeptical that we’ll get signficant health care reform that helps physician’s deliver health care, and patients who need it get it, out of any do nothing about it Congress, and I’ve watched enough Presidential candidates and Presidents come and go to know they didn’t provide it either. It’s probably going to have to happen at the state level, although if you look at a number of states, particularly in the South, and what they are doing as legislatures begin for the year, that’s going to be a good while off.
Too bad Russ Feingold won’t be sending money to Edwards:
http://www.postcrescent.com/ap…..70560/1036
Back atcha, RayDuray. Having watched only one segment of one Alan Curtis documentary, I got a strong sense of how pervasive and persuasive Bernays became, nephew of Freud notwithstanding (as Freud’s influence ebbed and flowed).
The thing that struck me hardest was the thread from Nazi Germany to current time United States of America. Wait, pups, wait! Don’t throw things at me. I have been steadfast in my unwillingness to accept the cries of fascism that I have always taken to be extreme and unwarranted.
As more time passes, I am less certain about my steadfast stance. We are being used, abused, manipulated and deceived. All day, every day. Everyone knows that, right? Oh.
Bernays insinuated himself in much the same way as Rove and Frank Luntz. Are we like sheep? Baaaaaaaa
The culinary workers traded time off and free caucus space for NOT supporting an increase in the gambling tax. The casino owners are with Obama not Clinton.
kinda makes the front runners look like the perfect DLC triangle, eh?
Of course the polls are to be taken with a big grain of salt, but Hillary was the only one to specifically target Nevada in the debate the other night. Maybe that had an effect.
Inherent limitation of polls
Predictive polling has a proven track record of being quite lousy in races involving more than two serious contenders, and in intraparty primaries, much less caucuses. The NH Dem primary was only the latest example.
Polling is an empirical endeavor, it’s not magic or clairvoyance. It’s effectiveness is limited the further it gets away from predicting the types of elections it has been empirically honed to produce accurate results for, Dem vs Rep general elections. And having 3+ serious contenders puts accurate prediction completely out of the question, because tactical voting and tactical poll answering means that poll respondents couldn’t give you a straight answer if they tried. Make it a caucus instead of a primary, and the pollster is left without any even half-way proven means of figuring out who is actually going to participate in the caucus.
Bottom line — predictive polls in party caucuses with more than two serious contenders have almost no predictive value. Their sole importance is as elements of the echo chamber that induce tactical voting in voters whose first pick’s chances don’t look good in the poll.
Oh, sorry for reprinting RayDuray’s whole post. I pasted it in for reference only and forgot to delete it. I. Miss. The. Edit. Function!!!
Speaking of campaigns. (Ok clumsy seg) From Chris Dodd:
I am inclined to give Dodd some lovin But why on earth is he prohibited from using the email list to talk about FISA and the war? And when are we going to start lobbying Reid again?
I still feel that John is not taking money from big business. Perhaps working with the poor for four years really made him a champion of the middle class.
Hillary will be Bush lite.
Oh sorry next part of Dodd’s message:
Go Edwards!
It’s actually why I keep going back to Obama. When I look at each person’s life history. Obama has shown he’s the most Liberal of the bunch, and IMHO the most “experienced,” at least the kind of experience that matters to me.
They can say whatever they want while campaigning. Obama’s reaching out to Repubes worries me, but again many of his actions demonstrate a Liberal inside. Seems obvious he has this communication strategy to overcome some of the societal hurdles he has to jump over. Hillary changes weekly. Still can’t believe she can say with a straight face that she’s a “change agent” now. This started after she came in 3rd in Iowa. And now she’s running as the Undergod?!? Please. More of the same old bullshit that’s been driving me batty my whole life. Feingold spoke to Edwards pretty well.
Yes, it’s a bit of a leap of faith I know, but I still think Obama would end up being the most Liberal of the bunch. Time tells all.
You may be right, but I had read elsewhere on the web (where?)that the owners are with Clinton. No reason, that I can see, why they would be with Obama. Also, considering this is Reid’s home, and Reid and the DCC are with Hillary, I bet they are closer to Hillary.
OT – chimpy live on CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN
Chimp up on Teevee with Cheeney – surely he will push the $800 rebate idea. Weeeee!
Obama goes all the way back to 1980 to portray Reagan as the vision of the sea change he intends to effect. I go along with Edwards: never to use Ronald Reagan as the ideal of change. Reagan was not the solution; he was the problem.
true and if he does have a liberal core the bipartisan veneer is good tactically.
A bigger problem for Obama might be Delores Huerta saying she doesn’t know any hispanics supporting him
Here’s the link to the Adam Curtis BBC series mentioned above. Must viewing, said the woman who does not watch television.
Chimpy – “No tax increases – incentives – to stimulate small business to make *huge* investments (ed. note – using the money they don’t have?)
Boosh giving congress its marching orders – just as would a president to whom anyone was paying attention…
Bush: “Growth” package MUST be big, and must directly effect economic growth, temporary, must not have tax relief, and must support business incentative to invest now. Also income tax relief for Americans, for necessities. (gee whiz) Hmmm: More money for black water to waste in Iraq. Make sure tax relief now in place must stay in place (keep top 2% on dole). Make sure we don’t have death tax (inheritance). Make tax relief permanent. More rethug nonsense.
Waiting for that snake oil sales pitch on economic stimulus with baited breath.
Check your inbox in a few minutes. I have a question for you…
Huerta said she’s been organizing Latinos for fifty years and has never met Senator Obama in person.
“Barack Obama has never had a relationship with the Latino community,” she said.
“In all of my works, I’ve been in Chicago and throughout the country, I’ve never met Senator Obama,” Huerta said. “People don’t know who he is. In fact they say ‘Como se llama?’ ‘What’s his name?’”
Huerta yesterday responding to what she said was a dishonest attack from Obama
Bush: blah, blah, blah, crony tax cuts, blah, blah, blah, permanent tax cuts, blah, blah, blah, blah….
He’s not gonna quit till we carry him kickin’ and screamin’ out the door. Where’s that jacket with the tie-back sleeves?
Then who are Hispanics supporting?
Stephanapolis says the Dems will have to go along with everything Bush asks for. What a tool.
Well, this was after his “Two America’s” campaign of 2004.
There are a lot of ways to make money, and this is how Edwards to chose to make his. I think Fortress folks are also his largest contributors right now. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been wavering between Edwards and Obama, but I have noticed a trend in the Netroots to overlook all these things about Edwards while at the same time being hyper-critical of Obama.
catapulting the propaganda….
I missed most of it – JoeScar says something about a $145 billion tax cut.
Is the Maroon-In-Chief proposing, once more, that bringing tax cuts will fix everything from the economy to the steroid problem in baseball?
:)
We need that strong progressive caucus ASAP!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..ment_Group
Is it possible to sue Blackwater, Halliburton et al for charging taxpayers $99 for every laundry bag, $5.00 for every coke imported from Saudi Arabia, X-grand for every truck they purposely destroyed and all the other schemes to defraud us. That prince guy deserves to be living out of a cardboard box.
Link to today’s Krugman column re recession.
Huerta is a Clinton supporter but looking at the other unions in NV I would say Edwards has a good shot
Change means LEFT, but she needs to do more than say she is a change agent she needs to show this with action loosing another state could push her Left especially if Edwards wins one.
More and better Democrats.
Remember today’s the big netroots fundraising day for John Edwards campaign.
We all need to support the change we want…whether with small change or large.
johnedwards.com
Just sayin’.
For you Edwards supporters remember today is the big fundraising day. Make sure that you make your campaign donations TODAY.
Here is a daily kos diary that is keeping track of some of the contributions. You can go here or to Edwards website to contribute.
kosdiary
Edwards campaign has a very funny video about how the media have covered this campaign. Check it out.
Good!
Thanks!
For some reason my links did not appear in my last post so I’ll try again.
http://www.johnedwards.com/whereisjohn/
http://www.johnedwards.com/whereisjohn/
I can hardly wait to see what he thinks of the stimulus package!
Ok, I’ll try this one more time and maybe I’ll get it right. LOL
For you Edwards supporters remember today is the big fundraising day. Make sure that you make your campaign donations TODAY.
Here is a daily kos diary that is keeping track of some of the contributions. You can go here or to Edwawrds website to contribute.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..839/438507
Edwards campaign has a very funny video about how the media have covered this campaign. Check it out.
http://www.johnedwards.com/whereisjohn/
In Edwards favor…although the Culinary workers have a huge membership when you compare eligible voters among union members –Edwards has equal support
Approximately 40% of the Culinary Workers are not eligible to vote (not here illegally lou dobbs) but not citizens.
Delores Huerta is co-chair of the Hillary campaign’s Hispanic outreach efforts.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/…..w/?id=1707
You think she might be trying to confuse the issue?
She took Obama to task for using “Si Se Puede” even though that was his campaign slogan in his 2004 Senate race “Yes We Can.” Doesn’t seem to be a fair critique.
Is it possible to sue Blackwater, Halliburton et al …
The government could (hint – don’t hold your breath or make any large bets on it).
Could you or I? Nope. No standing in that individual taxpayers cannot show any particularized damage. iow, by screwing the entire tax-paying populace, these companies have immunized themselves from suits by individuals, since no one individual can show damage which is any way different from that suffered from that suffered by every one else.
In theory, this is why there is a Department of Justice, whose duty it *should* be to go after this.
I should re-emphasize – *should*.
This was a question I posed a few days back–will Hispanic voters vote for an African American candidate? That’s been a discussion topic in a generic sense in the Sunshine household.
That’s the trouble with two ol’ poli sci grads…we analyze everything to pieces….
I think Delores Huerta has done enough throughout her life so her credibility remains high within the hispanic community
and maybe her life with the farmworkers makes her leery of people who she feels are trading on the slogan of her life’s work.
Huckaberry’s selective state’s rights:
Dow was down about 30 points when Georgie started his speech – should be interesting to watch it over the next hour or two…
Mods rock!!
You need to highlight a word or manually enter a word to be linked when using the link button.
Not so. Don’t forget there’s a donation bomb going on for Edwards today. Pushback for the media controlling the process of choosing our candidates. Sorry I don’t have a link but there’s a couple posts over at Kos about this.
God the Rethugs must be freaked by their candidates. All that work attempting to show themselves as the “we care” party out window. Though Rush is pushing Romney, I doubt the evangels will climb on board, and heaven forbid Hucky or Ron Paul gets undressed for who they are by MSM.
Biodun: whom. Knowing your editing skills, is going to make me nervous about writing here (but probably not enough to make me more careful, or willing to proof read :-).
Re:
Why do they even bother with the term “bipartisanship” any longer. Any intelligent observer can see that there is but one party in America, and it is The Corporate Party.
Greg Palast has a great article up about Bush’s pandering to the Saudi royals.
Palast writes:
As the great economist Paddy Chayefsky wrote in the film The Network:
“The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. … It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity…. There are no nations, there are no peoples. There is only one vast and immense, interwoven, multi-national dominion of petro-dollars. … There is no America. There is no ‘democracy.’ The world is a business, one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work.”
Re:
Thanks, Ann! We can sure use your help. I’ve been organizing street protests, seminars, film exhibitions, visits to our representatives, resolutions to the Democratic Party and city government and other stuff for many years now. What strikes me as being so odd is that so many Americans are so complacent while I think that we all need to be running around saying the sky is falling, on us, while the dirty bastard who run Washington and Wall Street are simply running roughshod over the rest of us.
You go, gurrl! Get out there and agitate. It’s our duty as citizens!
I just ran across this video of an Edwards speech out in California. WOW!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5574
Yas suh missuh Huck we sho like that flag, you been good to us yes suh, whut with the cornpone you gave us for christmas we maht a starved.
Fuck that flag, that symbol of all that is wrong.
Wow. Is right. Thank you pmorlan for that link. Best. Edwards. Speech. Ever. He is on fire.
Maybe, just MAYBE obamalamadingdongs brownshirt Union overlord thugs trying to intimidate union rank and file is coming back to bite him inna ass? Maybe the good folks are waking up to what a lying, empty shirt the obamster really IS? Yatink?
As fer Huckwannabee, ANY state that uses the insignia of a group of RACIST,TERRORISTS who MURDERED AMERICAN civilians and military personel should be reoccupied and every white male born there be denied the right to vote for 10 generations. THAT’S where the Union fu*ked up after the war of treason. Should have just passed a Constitutional ammendment denying the vote to white males born below the mason Dixion line for at LEAST 10 generations, to be reconcidered by national reforendum at that time. I mean really, is there a small minded, stupid, racist politicion in the last hundred years who DIDN’T get there start in ol Dixie? SCREW EM! P.S. the spellcheck ain’t workin.
Please don’t give up. We don’t know exactly why the Teachers Union filed that suit…anyway, they didn’t prevail. Was it Hillary’s campaign? Or just the Teachers? Someone upstream commented on the teachers’ pique with the Culinary Union on funds they wanted dedicated to education…could it be they had their own agenda? Someone knowledgeable about Nevada or teachers, please comment.
The Edwards campaign needs it to go longer, so he can knock out the other Dem candidates one by one. It’s not easy since they have already gravitated to his positions and issues, so that it’s hard to show the differences between himself and the others. He’s talking to as many people as a person can and that’s very helpful. But, it takes a lot of time and money.
He really had Clinton on the ropes just before NH (by clarifying that Obama and he were ‘agents of change’ and Clinton represents the status quo), but something happened there. The recount might help clarify it. If she had not won that primary it would’ve been a tremendous blow and the focus would have had to been Obama-Edwards.
As it stands now she has revived and it’s Obama who is showing some cracks. He’s been using race in Nevada and may have started the ‘race argument’ after Iowa. People are also re-evaluating him and seeing a lot less Progressivity and a lot more Liebermanesque DLC Conservative Democrat Establishment. His remarks about Reagan might discourage a lot of Dems. That alone might make people rethink supporting him, though such re-evaluations usually take a while to see.
If she doesn’t win and the NH recount shows she shouldn’t have won there either, then what can the media do? Well, we know ‘inevitability’ is already out. What’s after that?
Recently Obama has been trying to be Lincoln, Kennedy, MLK and Reagan.
Who is going to represent Democrats in this group?
I want to know who is the most likely of these three to be the natural follow-up to Bobby Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton? Is it Reagan-Lite, Bush-Lite or that other guy?
This, to my mind, is the most powerful argument (or set of arguments) to date which divides Obama & Edwards. Both have their more DLC-ish aspects and Obama’s ‘present’ votes and Edwards’ hawkish votes aren’t strong indicators they can be Progressive.
You say you’re taking a ‘leap of faith’ and curiously that’s exactly the phrase I have used to explain why I support Edwards. I wish we had someone about whom there was no doubt. Even with Bobby Kennedy there were terrific doubts about his ‘conversion’.
Yes, they can say whatever they want in a campaign. There’s no doubt in that. They can even change their positions over time, as political exigencies require or as external circumstances require. That happens.
How can you or I really know how they’ll behave?
I decided to look at their personal backgrounds and personal histories for an idea of what they are, rather than what they say they stand for.
I see Hillary as Republican-Lite from childhood. Her stint as a Goldwater-Girl is clear enough evidence of that.
I see Edwards as being true to his Southern working poor, first in college in his family, roots. He saw how his family had to survive and learned to favor unions and a more anti-company-town attitude. That seems more in line with his current statements than his senatorial voting record.
I see Obama as the hardest to understand. His background wasn’t very political in a traditional American sense. His fathers were not American and he was educated for a few years abroad. His youth wasn’t as promising as the other two and he admits to wasting years in high school and even early college. What I’m curious about is how he went from that to entry to Columbia Univ. and successes there and at Harvard Law. It’s really a story with two distinct parts. Is he still ‘relentlessly pessimistic’? What led him to study Political Science at Columbia? What ignited his interest in politics and activism? At what point did ’sloppy thinking’ become anathema to him and forced him to put his past to rest? Does he really believe “the South is irrelevant”? Just who is Obama? I don’t know and that worries me.
My leap of faith is an educated guess that Edwards is closer to representing middle-American values and the American experience that is going to be a natural continuation, rather than an experiment or ‘roll of the dice’ as Bill Clinton put it.
John Edwards for President — Leadership we can recognize!