Anyone can get health care in the United States. Just ask George W. Bush. Last year in Cleveland, he had this to say to the 47 million Americans without health care coverage:
I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.
With emergency rooms serving as the Bush administration’s solution to the nation’s health care crisis, so many people are cramming into them, patient care now is at risk, according to a new study by researchers at Harvard Medical School.
But let’s be fair. Bush isn’t the only Republican leader who doesn’t get—or doesn’t care—that while the United States pays the most for per person health care coverage than any similar nation, we have lower life expectancy than most other rich countries.
Here’s what former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said in a recent debate:
The reason health care isn’t working like a market right now is you have 47 million people that are saying, “I’m not going to play. I’m just going to get free care paid for by everybody else.” That doesn’t work.
Bad-mouthing uninsured Americans as "slackers" is not what the union movement, the progressive community, or just about anybody with an ounce of compassion supports.
So, to help candidates running for office this year understand what’s at stake, we’ve just launched an online survey. The 2008 Health Care for America Survey, jointly sponsored by us at the AFL-CIO and our community partner, Working America, runs through February and we will give the results to candidates at the state, congressional and presidential levels to ensure they understand what working families are experiencing. (You can read the stories here and vote on those you think make the most impact.)
Along with specific questions on affordability and quality, experiences with insurance companies, hospitals and doctors and suggested remedies, the survey also gives you the chance to tell your own story.
People are hungry to tell their experiences. The survey has been public only a couple days, and already more than 4,600 people have filled it out, while another 1,400 have taken time to write often heart-felt descriptions of their own experiences or of those close to them. Richard, a Machinists union member in Kansas, writes:
I’m a volunteer delivering low-cost hot meals to senior citizens and the disabled. I have an elderly lady who had to stop the meal program because she had to pay for her medications and couldn’t afford both. She said her prescriptions costs are over $500 per month because she’s in the "donut hole" allowed by Medicare.
That donut hole—the amount not covered by Medicare prescription drug benefit—is compliments of the Republican-led Congress, who strong-armed lawmakers into passing the hugely flawed Medicare prescription drug bill in 2006.
In South Dakota, Kim’s writes that his brother, Kent, hadn’t seen a doctor in years because he couldn’t afford health insurance and certainly couldn’t pay the doctor’s bill out of his own pocket. By the time his bladder cancer was diagnosed in 2003, it was too late. Kent died less than two years later.
The stories are more than about individual pain. They say a lot about the values of those who run this nation. Kelly, in Rhode Island, says she has the following options to obtain health care coverage she and her family can’t afford:
A few months ago we were notified that we make "too much money" to continue to the state shared-cost health insurance. I discussed options with my employer. Finding out that my share of the cost would be $865/month, I re-contacted the carrier dropping us to see if there was anything that we could do. We were told the following options:
I could divorce my husband and he could apply for himself and the children; since he is disabled with very little income he would qualify. Next option was to work less. I was told straight out that if I were to work less—bring home less money—I would qualify for the health insurance and possibly welfare and food stamp. The last option given to me (just cruel!) was to transfer legal guardianship of my children to my parents who would then be able to place the children under their health care plan at a more reasonable cost.
I should give up my husband, give up my children, give up my home ( I won’t be able to afford it very soon) or take the state for all I can?…Someone needs to take a stand and something needs to be done! Please, for all Americans, not just my family, make sure that you vote!
I hope you get a chance to take the survey, vote on stories you think make the most impact and pass around the survey. Lawmakers need to know.



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ZEDD!
Yeh Tula!
I meant Yea Tula!
Tula!
Who’s really sick? Bill O’Reilly for one.
ZEDD!
Loud and proud, eh? (well – it *is* pretty hard to beat Biodun to the punch – *g*)
Hi Tula!
D – I – N – G!
Hiya Tula! Thanks for yet another great post.
This makes me sick. Good thing I’m insured.
I can tell you that rich people remain rich in part because they are exceptionally good at getting other people to pay for Fill in the Blank.
Just another symptom of why not to vote for the Empty Suit.
That link near the top under “Harvard Medical School” takes you to a WaPo search results page. The actual WaPo article on the study is here, the press release from the research crew is here, and the abstract to the study itself is here (with further links there to the full text of the study for the medical research-types).
Nice post, Tula!
Thanks, Tula. I went and filled out the survey. I hope other firepups will too.
This really reveals how truly heartless and cruel the “conservatives” are. It just makes my skin crawl.
It also makes me wonder how people who think like that can ever be allowed to participate in our polity, should we manage to wrest it back from the sick, sick bastards now in control.
How about health care horror story time?
Last April Fool’s Day I had the vast misfortune to suffer a compound fracture of my ankle. That hurt a little.
But what really hurt was that I was uninsured at the time. After a 36 hour stay at the hospital the ankle has healed well, but my pocketbook will never recover.
$14,000+
Comparable: In 1973 I suffered a broken wrist in a jobsite accident. I had excellent insurance that was perfectly affordable. Cost after insurance payments? Less than $50.
America, we need a new plan. And neither Hillary nor Obama are serious about real health care reform.
***
Comparison: If I were In Canada, I’d have been out of pocket less than $500, same in England, France, Germany, Scandanavia, Cuba and a few others.
Be sure to check out Michael Moore’s “Sicko” if you haven’t had a chance to do so yet.
Ain’t America great!
I had a TIA (stroke) about 2 years ago. The first thing my neurologist said to me was this is on your record now and all things in your life will change. When I asked what he meant, he said you are tagged as unwanted by all insurance, many employers and there is nothing you can do about it.
How right he was. Profit based healthcare is the same as wolfpacks as shepherds. My life is in jeopardy right now because I cant afford my medicine, cannot get insurance because of pre-existing conditions and have been remarkably unemployable I suspect because “they” have illegal access to my health records. Fuck you George Bush and fuck “free market” healthcare.
“I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room.”
What a fucking monster he is. Just a fucking monster.
Tula,
Another super post. Thanks for highlighting what is rapidly becoming a crippling issue for many people, my family included.
We need to get “Sicko ” on network TV especially in the red states.
As a pastor, I’ve dealt with families who were given the same kind of “options” as Kelly at the end of this post. To deal with that sort of pain, and then go home, turn on the news, and hear Bush’s idiocy . . .
The GOP plan for medical care is nothing but a dressed-up version of the same snakeoil sold by unscrupulous faith healers in the 19th century: “Just lay the invisible hand of the marketplace on it, and all will be healed.”
Give me a break.
Using emergency rooms as GP’s is whats breaking a lot of urban hospitals. Bush is recommending a destructive practice that is the jewel in the crown of compassionate conservatism.
You got that right. You remember Dubya saying that, don’t you? I do. If you haven’t filled out the survey, I can attest that it is pretty quick and painless. Single-payer like Canada or Europe is the only way to go. You can write that in the survey.
I guess Romney is suggesting we go back to when there was no publicly financed or subsidized Health Care? Like in the late 1800’s? Yeah, a whole lot of folks got decent healthcare THEN.
Romney’s comments could apply to just about anything.
Fill in the blank…”The reason…….. isn’t working like a market right now is you have 47 million people that are saying, “I’m not going to play. I’m just going to get free…….paid for by everybody else.” That doesn’t work.”
Public Education, Roads, Police, Fire Protection, Parks, Public Transportation…in fact just about any sector where government exists and has moved into a failing PRIVATE sector (as Private Mercenary Police and Fire Departments were once) or where Private groups have attempted to co-opt the Government arena (for example fundamentalist or charter schools). Romney’s vision of the future is, I suppose, privatizing Social Security, Medicare, the Veterans Administration (after all, why shouldn’t the military be required to have optional medical insurance for soldiers. If they want to pocket the difference it’s THEIR CHOICE!), a nation criss-crossed with toll-roads, National Parks sold off to the Disney Corporation, ad nauseum.
Jesus Christ healed the sick because it was a good thing to do maybe he got a meal or two out of it but he never got rich.
Should Police think about getting rich by denying Beverly Hills police protection and telling the gangs these guys are open unless they pay?
The Healthcare industry is doing the same thing when they say pay or don’t get treated the end result is that you die
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That should be “Fill in the blank”. My fingers slipped while I was vomiting about Romney’s brainless philosophy.
Oh yes, bon mots from the country club boy. Which is why he turned down “free care” that came with his government job? I doubt it.
And wait. And pay more. Actually I know of people who’ve been turned down not from lack of money, but from lack of health insurance (new to this country). You have to say it’s an emergency or something like that, so that they can’t refuse you.
Romney actually said that?
That’s the most revealing political remark I’ve ever heard. 47 million votes right there. We gotta get the Repugs to nominate this guy.
And of course we all know emergency care is way less expensive than preventative health care /snark.
Why are all the Rethugs still viable candidates while the Dem field has been narrowed to two candidates? I call Bullshit.
Heh heh…
I’m Digging it, Tula!
Exactly! He’s a frickin’ clod.
G.W will beg the Saudi’s for more oil, He will cry for more tax cuts for the rich. He has a heart of stone that Pharaoh would envy concerning healthcare especially children’s healthcare.
It seems that Bush shows weakness/submission/emotion to anything that he thinks is stronger than him. He in turn tries to bully anyone weaker than him.
So the only way to get him or the GOP for that matter to give us healthcare is to get tough. In other words Nancy and Harry have to go.
Give me your email & I’ll add you to the list for NYC area meetups.
Lots of rocks and hard places among the R candidates.
What a fucking monster he is. Just a fucking monster.
Who, one would assume, has never been forced to resort to using an emergency room for treatment in his entire pampered life.
After all, you just go to an emergency room.
Which, as all pampered and incurious presidents know, are absolutely free and provide full, complete, and a final cure for whatever ailment brought them in in the first place.
I wonder if the Church of Latter Day Saints is auditting Mitt to see whether he has actually tithed. After all, that money might go to support “freeloaders” that the Church supports in its charities. Y’know, Mitt…those “freeloaders” who need things like emergency rooms, food, shelter. If Mitt really doesn’t believe in people contributing to the common welfare then one should wonder if he is meeting his tithe obligation.
OH Wait a second…tithing is mandatory( although those who are unemployed or who are too poor don’t have to contribute beyond their means)…might be a good model. Something called taxes.
And Mitt, without knowing it, is actually making a good case for universal coverage and a system of collection that cannot be avoided by those capable of “cheating” through private systems.
Last thread *whisper*
I mean see last thread.
well don’t underestimate his power to tell people what he thinks they want to hear at the moment. autoworkers are still resisting the notion that their jobs are not coming back. Mitt’s going to revitalize Detroit! Maybe he should run for MI governor instead of President.
I agree he’s a twit, but if he’s saying what people want to hear…….
That’s EXACTLY what he did. Plus he comes off as the clueless, callous, pampered rich boy he obviously is. A smarter George Bush.
To which I say, “hey George, I gotta a problem with this finger, let me show which one.”
I wonder if they have his geneology so we can see if they’re are any creatures from outerspace or something.
Dubya’s not “begging”…he’s bartering. He’s just given the Saudi’s a several billion dollars worth of highly sophisticated military hardware. All subsidized by our tax-dollars, of course. So really that $100/bbl oil is actually costing a LOT MORE.
damn, that sounds familiar…..
“In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,”
Elitist assholes.
Did you see last thread? I thought this stuff was supposed to show up on profile, but I confess I don’t have the patience to fiddle around. At any rate, PP has earned himself a spelling bee.
I hope this backfires in a Big Way. I mean, how many Americans are worried about their health coverage and Mitt is calling them “freeloaders” as though he’s talking to someone else.
If we want to talk freeloaders how about those boys hanging tight to daddy’s coattails? I’m sorry, but that just ticks me off a tad. manicured jerk.
Mitt’s got his finger on the prostate gland of the American voter (with apologies to the the ladies out there…substitute “G-spot”).
To which I say, “hey George, I gotta a problem with this finger, let me show which one.”
LOL. Hey, just let me know when and where, and we’ll show him some fingers in two-part harmony…
Got it. You’ve got mail.
Here’s what former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said in a recent debate:
“The reason health care isn’t working like a market right now is you have 47 million people that are saying, “I’m not going to play. I’m just going to get free care paid for by everybody else.” That doesn’t work.“
Well, it’s time to change the price, isn’t it? Either that, or get the message to children as fast as possible, that they are going to have to start making an income in order to get healthcare.
Are you sure that the LDS would care? Do Animatronic robots have parents and geneologies? Can you baptise his great-grandfather, who may have been a toaster?
Who has the best health care plans/views, Obama, Edwards or Clinton?
eeeewww
Get outta there.
OK, I’m going to the Crude Place.
“Hey George. Diagnose this. Now I want to know if my hemmorhoid will disqualify me for any possible draft coming up after you dump your mess on the next admin. Here’s take a look, George. Whaddya think? “
Here’s the problem for the GOPs: Freeloaders Vote.
Oh Latter Day saints supposedly want to do everyone’s genealogy.
Edwards. The others are pretty much copies of his, which came out first and best.
That is what happens when someone looks at you and thinks consumer rather than human.
Perhaps Mitt the Mood Ring is a more palatable analogy? :)
Mitt’s great-great (or -great) grandfather fled to Mexico in the 1880s to escape the anti-polygamy restrictions in Utah.
Even my microwave’s?
Here is a tough (and honest) question: How strategically do we get the insurance companies out of health care. They are clearly not going to roll over and play dead because they are making too much in the current system. One possibility is for states (and perhaps professional groups) to begin to insist on a non-insurance based health care system. And/or, particular physician groups or businesses need to be encouraged to come foreward to offer direct care without insurance for a flat monthly fee(I get my medical care that way, furnished by my employer and it is very good).
So Mitt’s sayin “Close down the Emergency Rooms”????
Erm, in my #50 I was trying, obviously not very well, to get across the idea that Mittens is an Animatronic robot, not a human being…
I was wondering why you were personifying your microwave :)
It’s hard not to notice that about him
The Saudi oil minister said no publicly to Bush’s request for more oil. G.W went over his head to the King and was publicly rejected again.
Barter implies quid pro quo you give me what I want I give you what you want.
Bush sold the Saudis these weapons you are right to grease the wheels, but if the wheels don’t move and his requests falls on deaf ears, well I call that begging.
Actually, in Canada (at least in my province) it would not have cost you a penny.
I had a serious compound fracture of an ankle a few years ago. I had surgery, post op care, physio, a home visit from a public health nurse, and because I lived alone and my bathroom was upstairs and my kitchen was downstairs, I also got a few hours a week of home care to prep some meals for me.
Cost? Not one cent.
My doctor doesn’t even deal with insurance companies any more. We come to him, pay him, and then submit the crappy claims ourselves. He doesn’t over charge. He just can’t take the labyrinthian insurance landscape anymore.
He is not rich, just makes a fair living. We live in an incredibly expensive area and we are losing doctors due to cost of living as well as insurance rape and pillage. If we lived in a different age, my doctor would probably fit that well loved “country doctor” image. He’s great and I hope he never retires.
You know they’re all pining to return to the day when only property owners of a certain wealth are eligible to vote.
He may have been forced to use an emergency room at one point or another, for an actual emergency.
But it’s for damn sure that he never sat around the kitchen table after dinner looking at a sick kid and asking “OK, do we shell out big bucks for a doctor’s visit, or wait and hope it gets better with time and a little rest?” — and then asking the same question in the morning when nothing seems to have improved.
For too many people, emergency rooms doctors are their primary care physicians. Everyone knows this is the worst way to run things — even the bean counters agree — but no one thus far is willing to make the big push to make the changes needed.
There’s a job opening up next January (it comes with a cornerless office) that could easily go to the person who makes the best pitch toward dealing with this mess.
Not the insurance mess — that’s just a symptom. The medical CARE mess is the real disease.
OT Nevada judge allows caucuses on the strip. (Maybe someone mentioned this earlier). Per Kos.
oops, insurage = insurance. :|
Running up against two major impediments to get insurers out of the way. 1. Many people who are covered like their current coverage. 2. Lobbying by insurance cos.
Doesn’t Edwards’ plan have a fallback that those without other plans can join one that looks like that for members of Congress? Not sure, but isn’t that plan “self-insured,” meaning gov pays without going thru an insurance co.?
Well, I probably don’t have the details accurate, but if you had a fallback like that, then gradually everyone would gravitate toward it and insurance cos would go bye-bye.
But that doesn’t work either, because then you have to deal with the headache and the ludicrousness of it all. That is why docs and/or employers need to organize together to offer services for a monthly fee.
I imagine Mitt is one of those people whose doctor is always on call for him. Is received in the leather “library” with one of those old-fashioned doctor bags complete with syringes for every type of ailment, a la Sunny von Bulow. Maybe that’s just my imagination running wild. Can’t see him in Bellevue ca.1990 sitting alongside some Rikers island prisoners, handcuffed to their seats. Noooo.
1. the coverage is yearly, so if there were a better way, people could switch (i.e. unlike mortgages you are not hooked into it for the life of the loan). Yes there is the lobbying, but doctors AND businesses lose big time with the current system (as of course do patients). It is basicaly 1 (insurance) against 3 (doctors, businesses, clients/patients). There is no reason why all three of us has to take their bullying any more. And of course, you know who is being made out as the “criminal group” in all this by at least the doctors who are my relatives? It is not the insurance companies or big pharma, it is 1) lawyers (those who take on malpractice claims) and 2) unions (who they say are paying nurses too high salaries).
This is where the political comes into play, with the rethugs able to convince most doctors that stripes are polka dots.
Lets hit Mitt where it hurts LDS tithes and helps its own but I bet they also collect welfare, unemployment, etc. Suppose the Federal Government decides that we subtract 10% from LDS members for all government benefits because they don’t need it. Their Church is covering them.
And any real GOPer would say that higher welfare payments breeds dependency so cutting LDS payments would be for their own good.
I wonder if Utah pays more or less in taxes than it gets from the Federal Government.
Per GWB:
So, there you go. The free-market fails to provide for the nation’s health needs. So, the government has to mandate uncompensated care, but only when the situation becomes an “emergency” — a system that is both ineffective and inefficient.
Compared to other industrialized nations, the population of the United States of America gets substandard healthcare, and it costs twice as much per capita. Ronald Reagan’s “miracle of the marketplace” fails miserably compared to the much-more-public systems in the rest of the industrialized world.
Bush and all remaining presidential candidates seek to extend this broken system of private insurers competing to deny coverage to and rid their rolls of their sickest customers. Absolute insanity!
Richmond was wrong on this, misread the situation in the rush to move back here. It is more complex, but looks to favor Obama (and maybe Edwards) over Hillary.
Universal
Single Payer
Not for Profit
But wouldn’t a fallback option, such as the one I describe, be less confrontational & get rid of the insurance cos in due course?
Among the interest groups (hate desribing voters/patients as an interest group, but as a shorthand …), the insurers & pharma are the most organzied, so their power exceeds their numbers.
Hmm Mitt Romney’s great grandparents had five and 12 wives between them. He must have many cousins.
And I’ll bet all Mitt’s cousins vote.
I read Under the Banner of Heaven on my way to Utah. Besides the story of the fundamentalist Mormons (fundamentalism in Mormonism is completely centered on polygamy) who murdered their sister-in-law on a revelation from God, there is a history of the Mormon Church. Very interesting and highly recommended.
Mitt Romney is also an anchor baby. His dad was born in Mexico to Mexican-born parents whose parents had fled US laws regarding polygamy. George Romney’s citizenship was always an unanswered question when he sought the Presidency in the sixties.
So, when Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul talk about revoking Birthright Citizenship, they are talking about making Mitt a Mexican. Then he can do his own landscaping!
I’m sure he reckons ‘em up by dozens…
What did you say, Teddy?
Maybe – I agree with you. The French system is certainly the best one I have been in (the German one less so). But, if that is going to be hard to get in place, I wonder if there are not smaller politically viable and in some ways much better systems that can be put in place (without the insurance company input) by groups of people (doctors, employers, and others).
When we went to public insurance here for car/accident insurance about 20 years ago, insurance brokers were made the delivery agent for public insurance and they got a fee for providing the service and doing the paperwork. So you go to a private broker to buy insurance, but the insurer is actually the province.
Not that this is all that similar – because you are looking for a way to get rid of private insurance.
We went to a single-payer health system before the insurance industry is the power it is now.
There is still a place for private and employer provided health plans for things not covered under the public system – things like eye care, dental plans, physiotherapy, massage therapy, private hospital rooms etc. are still often provided by employer health plans through private insurers. So the insurance industry is not totally cut out.
I’m not sure everyone would gravitate toward gov subsidized care–there are people out there who would pay a shrink (for instance) privately rather than go through insurance–, but I could care less if insurance companies go by-by. Anyone who makes a profit by not providing health care is not a great thing in my book.
You’ve got a slight misunderstanding going here. The coverage Congress gets is the same option a Federal employee has — the Federal Employees Health Benefit program, more commonly known as FEHB.
It is comprised of insurance companies and HMOs — during Open Season you can change amongst the offered plans. The Feds pay a portion of the premium and the employee pays the rest.
OPM lays down what expenses the plans MUST cover, and the companies can offer more than that should they so choose.
Need I mention that some plans prices are out of reach for those of us in the lower paid Federal jobs, even with the government paying part of the premium?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254362,00.html
Mitt’s family on his Daddy’s side has deep Mexican roots. One great-grampa (Parley Pratt) established himself in Mexico in 1876. Another fled down there about ten years later to avoid the polygyny laws. These had been imposed by Abraham Lincoln as part of making Utah a territory, but the practice was systematically concealed and enforcement avoided for decades. Both of these ancestors had more than 10 wives. So really there were two generations with no direct US ties by the time they returned. But the distant US blood ties served them well. Mitt’s branch of this extended family (with his Dad, Mexican-born George Romney) fled back to the United States during the Mexican Revolution in 1912 after some 36 years in Mexico. Mitt’s grandpa sued the Mexican Government for the loss of his ranch and actually received compensation of about $10,000 ( sizeable sum during the depression), half of which was given to George and fueled his rise as a businessman and politician.
I wonder how many of Mitt’s cousins still have multiple wives? Somehow I don’t see the Fundies voting for Mitt if they find out that even one is still following the “principle”.
(I watched Big Love on DVD last week I hope the lingo is accurate)
LOL. Wait til that one gets out. I remember here on St. Pat’s day breakfast for politico’s one of the local radio (right wing) personalities (mike in hand, and on air) turned to Gov. Romney at breakfast and said “Mornin Governor, how’re the wives today?” Major chuckles at the time. ROmney went crimson.
Not for profit is actually a bit of a difficult concept in health care – for example, anyone in private practice (whether a doctor, a nutritionist, or a physiotherapist) is really a small-business person, and does indeed wish (and need) to make a profit. Any private clinic is also a business. What does non-profit mean in this context?
As an uninsured unemployed 42 year old person with an undiagnosed physical disability (acquired in a freak incident) who paid more in taxes five years ago than I could possibly hope to earn this year. Allow me to say a little public/universal help now (or years ago) without threat of loss of my home would definitely prove to be a good investment with great returns for our country if I could only return to being a productive healthy member of society in the future.
Thank you Tula..
I hope not. They might be the population of a small town for all we know. And then there goes the neighborhood, that is if, they are Mitt-Replicants.
Thanks for the explanation.
Utah does receive marginally more per dollar taxed ($1.07). Other “Red States” are far more egregious recipients of imbalanced Federal tax dollars.
States with Positive Federal Spending/Tax Revenues
You’re welcome — a common joke among the Federal employees I know is that you can pick out a Fed from a group of people being interviewed on TV — the Fed will be the one with the bad teeth…
(sorry, I stepped away for a minute)
Oh, I know it doesn’t “work” esp. on a global scale. I guess the point of my doctor endorsement is that they are hurting under the insurance cos too. I bet many of them (not all) would support a major overhauling of health insurance etc. Sorry if I missed it (quite possible), is there any info about their stand on all this?
Michael Moore had it right, let’s just go to single-payer, universal health care and call it “Christianized medicine.” The red state loons will love it and the country will get good health care.
As long as the debate is allowed to be framed as a “health insurance” crisis instead of a “healthcare crisis” you can expect little change. Making sure that everyone has insurance–whether through mandates or government assistance–only assures that the INSURANCE INDUSTRY stays highly profitable . . . not that healthcare will improve.
Several years ago, I contact my insurer with a proposal. With your (insurance company) advocacy, perhaps we could reintroduce natural animal insulin into the U.S. market. “The cost for the product is less than the cost for genetically-engineered insulin we are currently forced to use” was my initial argument, reinforced by the reduction in need for adjuvants like monitors, blood strips, etc. The response from the insurance company spokesman: We’re not interested in reducing costs. The benefits you reap from coverage allows us (ins. co) to substantiate our claim that “costs are rising and we need to raise premiums–not just for you, but across the board to ALL of our policy holders.” This is the paradigm from which they operate and explains, at least partially, why premiums continue to rise but improvement in healthcare does not.
How do we pay for it? Well as G.W has proved our army can’t win in Iraq so rather than spend more money lets drop the size. We need to win not occupy. We need to win one war not two wars at the same time which is what we currently plan and spend for.
Lets shut down military bases around the world. Lets shut down bases in GOP prowar districts. Lets cancel StarWars. Lets cancel all that next generation weaponry in development.
We just need to be first in military might. We don’t need to occupy or take over the world.
Just think of all that money going to healthcare!
Seconded!
Contrast that with Helen Hunt’s character in As Good As It Gets, trying to obtain and afford proper care for her severely asthmatic son.
Awesome quote! And it’s pretty consistent with what I see: Sneaky uninsured people soaking up all that free health care America is so famous for.
>/snark<
You got my email, yes?
True! I was just feeling VERY sorry for you for having to take on that burden.
Thanks, Marion!
I am going to imitate a cranky old electronic engineer I used to know and say: Star Wars was obsolete before it was put into the plan (or something like that.) So much for “advanced weaponry.”
Mitt Headroom
“What Me Worry?
Not yet :-). I go from editing to fun (here) to editing to fun(here)period (with runs for coffee refills). I will go check the email now, frightening, considering how much other stuff no doubt is there ;-/
I agree with you completely except for your wording IRT:
It is the situation the Bush created on the ground that is the failing in Iraq.
You’re quite right. I actually come from a “medical family.” I heard the complaints since I don’t know when.
I can’t get video at work, but as soon as I get home….
I just LUURVES me some Max Headroom!
I think one way to approach the transition might be providing public funding for a narrow range of services that affect a lot of people, have huge and undeniable pay-offs in terms of population health, or save a lot of lives – like maybe prenatal care/labour/delivery, and diabetes screening and care, and immunizations, or other similar things (health providers on this list will have better ideas, i’m sure) – and do those things really well and then wait until people start demanding additional services to be added.
Thanks, PW!
Great site! What if we tell the GOP that unless they vote to end the war now they will all have to go revenue neutral to help pay their fair share of the war.
And if the war keeps going on they will have to actually pay money.
The rest of the country on the other hand will get tax breaks as the GOP slacker/welfare moms pick up their share for once!
God I am so mean!
Oh, thanks! *g*
Yeah, it’s hassle, but a minor one because (knock wood) we’re fairly healthy (my kids see another doc who does the paperwork and he’s great too). But I am relieved that this doc was able to find a way to sorta make it work so he could stay in the area. Again, doctors are getting the short end of the stick too. Agree, doctors should organize but it isn’t always within the skill set per se. ;)
I’m little afraid to think that if insurance cos go away, the people running them will resurface in whatever morphs in its place. any thoughts on that?
My doctor’s wife says doc and friends are just “numb” to everchanging landscape and manhandling by insurance. And that was ten years ago.
The GOP has no intention of paying their fair share of anything. All attempts to pay their bills will be met with loud shrill screaming about raising taxes. It’s the Republic way.
That’s the thing. They complain. Things get worse. Things get better. But things could also get worse. They don’t do anything about it. And there is sooo much crap that they see. From insurance, from Big Pharma, from hospital administrators . . . Hopeless.
More Generals could have retired like Shinski did the generals who agreed with Bush’s plan despite their reservations deserve to get spanked.
But yeah our army could win if it was not lead by an idiot who was surrounded by Yesmen/Generals. Maybe we should give the joint chiefs the power to refuse to fight a war unless we have a 3/4 popular vote.
I believe the United States is headed toward a post-consumerist society. The corporations and
banksBernanke are desperate to maintain the status quo of US Consumerism. This may be the US’s future government model; Denmark’s “Post-consumerist” society. In a Cambridge Study was ranked #1 as the “happiest” people in Europe.http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2007041701
Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth
Despite High Taxes, Danes Rank Themselves as Happy and Content
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Sto…..038;page=2
THE WELFARE STATE AS A POLITICAL COMPROMISE
The Scandinavian welfare model acts within a controlled capitalist market economy in which inequalities in income distribution and the concentration of wealth and power are allowed less free play…Thus, the welfare state does not represent a common Social Democratic ideology, but a national political compromise on how to organise and finance the social, health and educational benefits on which a political decision has been taken to provide for the population.
http://www.denmark.dk/en/menu/…..tel.com%3f
Many thanks for pointing that out.
have you heard of any type of organizing on the doctors’ part or of any type of “statement” from the AMA on any of this? Or we talking entrenched establishment here?
I know I’m asking naive questions, but I just want to get it all out there. thanks.
has anyone heard from the docs? or are they holding down the fort, so to speak, waiting for the next onslaught of legislation?
You worded that much better than I did, thanks.
I saw an ad yesterday afternoon on Hallmark Channel that was co-sponsored by voiceoftheuninsured.org and the AMA about the forty-seven million uninsured in the US and how unacceptable that is. So seems that some doctors are actually trying to fight back.
Thank you for pointing that out. I’ll watch for that!
Fine then we let the Banks fail. They need us and our blue state cash a direct result of running our states well. (Texas like Russia and Saudia Arabia is an oil economy they don’t manage things they do boom and bust).
Bush is not really going to help homeowners so why should I support a bailout? My cash is FDIC insured. My stocks are my picks and I never invested in hedge funds or subprime loans looking to get rich.
If Bush pulls the retirement fund card and tries to pull my heartstrings with retirees who’s funds are loosing money, then fine Private insurance DOES NOT WORK and I will support higher Social Security payments.
Bush needs us to bail him out. We need to be strong and REAllY think about terms. We need Michael Moore, Kos and Jane to break out the Vise and turn the crank. Bush is a bully he only respects you if you rough him up.
I say lets let a few banks go under, lets let a few or a lot of hedge funds disappear, private retirement funds? Who cares if everyone gets more cash from government insured Social Security?
We need to stop corporate welfare the healthcare industry the military industrial complex from raking in huge profits when national healthcare and peace or so much cheaper.
We need to take those savings and invest them in things that will make a return on our dollar.
Things like Education the more smart people we have the more likely that we will educate the next Edison or Tesla. Things like Wind and Solar power whoose fuel is FREE!.
And how about fixing the roads and bridges faster safer travel is good for business, whats even better is monorails.
Fixing and building roads bridges and monoails is exactly the kind of Keynesian prime of the pump we need now.
Bush has given us Milton Friedman and the Shock Doctrine for 7? years now and are we better off today? If not then lets go Left! Lets go Keynes!
I’m insured too. But reading the fine print of my “traditional policy” I find that my policy only covers “life threatening illness”. It seems the only way I can claim a “life threatening” condition is if I die first.
Wow, “My cash is FDIC insured” is another mirage. “The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) preserves and promotes public confidence in the U.S. financial system by insuring deposits in banks and thrift institutions for at least $100,000…With an insurance fund totaling more than $49 billion, the FDIC insures more than $3 trillion of deposits in U.S. banks and thrifts – deposits in virtually every bank and thrift in the country.
http://www.fdic.gov/about/learn/symbol/index.html
So what happens when banks fail? “The FDIC has several options for resolving institution failures, but the one most used is to sell deposits and loans of the failed institution to another institution. Customers of the failed institution automatically become customers of the assuming institution”
The problem is all the banks are failing.
Remember the S&L crisis? Yeah they were insured too by the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC). Guess what happened to the FSLIC, the FSLIC became insolvent too.
Did the Republican fuckwads McCain, Giuliani, and Thompson cure their cancers by going to the ER?
my working class auto mechanic’s wife just got leukemia and is successfully undergoing chemo . They have NO insurance . the bill is 100K and counting . If they are not financially ruined by this , they will certainly be F#CKED .
“Land of the Free” , , , INDEED !
John Edwards refers to the difficulty of going to an emergency room for radiation treatment for a cancer. But, have you ever tried the ER for a toothache? It’s seriously not funny.
Yes.
I prefer Edwards/Clinton as they cover everybody with a mandate. Obama doesn’t. They’re all preferable to the pugs.
There are a lot of big changes we could and probably should make. Maybe Jane will create a thread where we can discuss some really monumental changes we’d like to see happen.
Think what would happen to the banking industry and to the financial markets if a person could use something like a bank card (check card) without having to have their money “stored” in a bank account. Are we far from that already? Are we prepared for the effects of such a thing?
What if somebody actually did come up with a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste, so we might be able to use nuclear power safely? Could we adapt psychologically to that possibility?
What if we actually did get the ultra-super-high-speed high bandwidth internet we’ve already paid for? What would we use it to do? Would the WGA strike end quickly as everybody would rush to get shows on the Net?
What if we invested a modicum of resources into developing a really really great battery system, so we could all use electric cars? How would “Detroit” adapt? How would the oil industry adapt?
Could the federal government really force the housing industry to build greener more energy-efficient houses? What resources would become more in demand and would this really create new green-collar jobs?
Will we ever really develop distance learning so people everywhere can get the best education via the Net?
Will the Net ever be made safe enough for financial transactions?
The possibilities are already around to be considered and the consequences of delaying the adaptation of some of these is stupendously expensive and stupid.
Mitt admits the free market system isn’t working!
But also, he really really hates a lot of Americans he claims are thieves.
How can he possibly be acceptable in any government position with that kind of hate for people?
We don’t need phreakin healthcare COVERAGE!!!
Many people can’t afford that.
We need health CARE!!! For everyone.
Care, not coverage, should be the issue.
Why won’t the blogs tackle this progressive issue like Edwards and Kuch have?
CARE! Not coverage. You say coverage, yer mouthin Pubbie talking points for big brother.
Harumph. CARE!
Go to the emergency room? They’ve got be kidding, who can afford that? Fortunately I have decent insurance, but I have recently been to the emergency room for a dislocated shoulder. It’s a recurring problem, one I can usually rectify myself, but with rare occassion it will require the help of a physician. The hospital will of course take X-rays, offer a pain killer, and perform the actual setting of the shoulder back in place. X-rays are not optional, I refused the pain killer, and the actual setting back into place took less than 10 minutes (and has never in my life taken longer). Of the 5 hours I was in the emergency room, I would estimate 30-45 minutes of work was done including paperwork. The grand total for this was a bit over $3,000. This for a very simple procedure. God have mercy on anyone in the middle class or lower down the rung who needs to visit the emergency room.
Speaking of which. Why not prostest Kucinich’s being banned from the debates. And the media blackout of Edwards and Kucinich? I blame the DLC, Rahm Emanuel and Harold Ford.