Comments on: Calling Out Jonah Goldberg http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:39:03 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: cognitorex http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1211100 cognitorex Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:23:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1211100 <p>“But it’s clear that for Goldberg, this is largely a semantical exercise, a chance to bend definitions, to play rhetorical tit-for-tat with liberals “</p> <p>This line in the above post says it all. It is exactly, practically word for word the conclusion I embraced watching this guy (Goldberg) on the Daily Show.</p> <p>There’s nothing behind the curtain, just a semantical flim flam show.</p> <p>What’s interesting is that liberalism carried to the nth degree begins to squeeze individual enterprise in both financial and social pursuits to the exact effect of black shirts and goose stepping. That Goldberg can’t flesh this out shows that he is just a shallow mind grubbing for bucks and prestige by repeating a set of propaganda lines.<br /> –cognitorex–</p> “But it’s clear that for Goldberg, this is largely a semantical exercise, a chance to bend definitions, to play rhetorical tit-for-tat with liberals “

This line in the above post says it all. It is exactly, practically word for word the conclusion I embraced watching this guy (Goldberg) on the Daily Show.

There’s nothing behind the curtain, just a semantical flim flam show.

What’s interesting is that liberalism carried to the nth degree begins to squeeze individual enterprise in both financial and social pursuits to the exact effect of black shirts and goose stepping. That Goldberg can’t flesh this out shows that he is just a shallow mind grubbing for bucks and prestige by repeating a set of propaganda lines.
–cognitorex–

]]> By: Clem http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210688 Clem Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:05:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210688 <p>Great stuff, Dave. I don’t agree that engaging Goldberg is futile. Unlike others of his ilk, he seems to be genuinely hurt and annoyed that his <strike>defecation on the coffee table during a cocktail party</strike> thesis isn’t recognized for the brilliant, original synthesis he thinks it is. I think he lacks the calculating cynicism of other right-wing “thinkers,” who understand that a short, provocatively titled book full of outrageous assertions is all that’s necessary. Goldberg wanted to produce a masterpiece, thinks he’s done so and can’t laugh away the criticism. Keep hitting that spot, I say.</p> <p>I do have a very minor disagreement with you:</p> <blockquote><p>After pointing this out, Jonah responded no further, except to quote e-mail from his fan club, as well as an e-mail from “a very sharp law professor friend” who basically suggested ways to politely blow me off (gee, that sounds familiar).</p></blockquote> <p>Yeah, that professor friend could be Reynolds, but it might be “Formidable Law Blogger” Ann Althouse. She links to Goldberg’s columns, appeared on Bloggingheads with him and made sure to let readers know when he was due to appear in Madison. Althouse blows people off constantly. Until the transformation takes place. </p> <p>Jonah: Didn’t work, Ann.<br /> Ann: It didn’t?<br /> Jonah: He’s still being mean to me.<br /> Ann: Then he should be forced to APOLOGIZE to you!! Abjectly!!! NOW!!!!</p> <p>Whoever gave Jonah that advice, it’s funny that they didn’t want to be named. As you say, chickenshit.</p> Great stuff, Dave. I don’t agree that engaging Goldberg is futile. Unlike others of his ilk, he seems to be genuinely hurt and annoyed that his defecation on the coffee table during a cocktail party thesis isn’t recognized for the brilliant, original synthesis he thinks it is. I think he lacks the calculating cynicism of other right-wing “thinkers,” who understand that a short, provocatively titled book full of outrageous assertions is all that’s necessary. Goldberg wanted to produce a masterpiece, thinks he’s done so and can’t laugh away the criticism. Keep hitting that spot, I say.

I do have a very minor disagreement with you:

After pointing this out, Jonah responded no further, except to quote e-mail from his fan club, as well as an e-mail from “a very sharp law professor friend” who basically suggested ways to politely blow me off (gee, that sounds familiar).

Yeah, that professor friend could be Reynolds, but it might be “Formidable Law Blogger” Ann Althouse. She links to Goldberg’s columns, appeared on Bloggingheads with him and made sure to let readers know when he was due to appear in Madison. Althouse blows people off constantly. Until the transformation takes place.

Jonah: Didn’t work, Ann.
Ann: It didn’t?
Jonah: He’s still being mean to me.
Ann: Then he should be forced to APOLOGIZE to you!! Abjectly!!! NOW!!!!

Whoever gave Jonah that advice, it’s funny that they didn’t want to be named. As you say, chickenshit.

]]> By: annamissed http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210264 annamissed Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:46:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210264 <p>Fascism is compulsory ethnic based nationalism, abhorrent to liberal ideals. But the right wingers insist otherwise and indulge in projection. A wingnut I know insists that taxation on the rich is a form of slavery.</p> Fascism is compulsory ethnic based nationalism, abhorrent to liberal ideals. But the right wingers insist otherwise and indulge in projection. A wingnut I know insists that taxation on the rich is a form of slavery.

]]> By: nikto http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210260 nikto Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:29:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210260 <p>People like Jonah Goldberg and Ann Coulter are just<br /> re-writing history in order to pave the way for<br /> mass-arrests and possible genocide.</p> <p>Things may not go that way in America, but<br /> there can be little doubt that prison camps<br /> and mass-executions for Liberals/”dissidents” are<br /> actual wet dreams for monsters like Goldberg,<br /> Coulter, Hannity, Beck, etc etc</p> <p>They are vile.</p> People like Jonah Goldberg and Ann Coulter are just
re-writing history in order to pave the way for
mass-arrests and possible genocide.

Things may not go that way in America, but
there can be little doubt that prison camps
and mass-executions for Liberals/”dissidents” are
actual wet dreams for monsters like Goldberg,
Coulter, Hannity, Beck, etc etc

They are vile.

]]> By: republicanSScareme http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210259 republicanSScareme Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:00:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210259 <p>America’s entire mass media in in trouble for hiring a pathetic crew of columnists, commentators and other pundits to push the Bush/Neocon/Zionist Mafia agenda. All of them, long ago, lost their credibility yet the mass media continues to push on us these discredited and often disgusting people. Jonah Goldberg is one of many creeps the media owners are going to have to replace if they ever hope to get back the trust of the public. Yet the New York Times just recently hired that known mental case, William Kristol, despite the fact that he may have the worst record of any commentator in American history. I have nothing against hiring conservative columnists, but they should show a level of competency and intelligence, and reasonable good taste, which Goldberg, Kristol and many others like them have not. The public knows that these people are not really conservative voices but rather Zionist or NeoCon or Bush-nut propagandists. We know they’re idiots because they have proven themselves to be idiots and continue to do so. Everyone knows it but the arrogant owners of the media. It is so bad that many of us are asking if the mass media owners are complicit in treason. They certainly are not serving the good of the public, so who’s good are they serving?</p> America’s entire mass media in in trouble for hiring a pathetic crew of columnists, commentators and other pundits to push the Bush/Neocon/Zionist Mafia agenda. All of them, long ago, lost their credibility yet the mass media continues to push on us these discredited and often disgusting people. Jonah Goldberg is one of many creeps the media owners are going to have to replace if they ever hope to get back the trust of the public. Yet the New York Times just recently hired that known mental case, William Kristol, despite the fact that he may have the worst record of any commentator in American history. I have nothing against hiring conservative columnists, but they should show a level of competency and intelligence, and reasonable good taste, which Goldberg, Kristol and many others like them have not. The public knows that these people are not really conservative voices but rather Zionist or NeoCon or Bush-nut propagandists. We know they’re idiots because they have proven themselves to be idiots and continue to do so. Everyone knows it but the arrogant owners of the media. It is so bad that many of us are asking if the mass media owners are complicit in treason. They certainly are not serving the good of the public, so who’s good are they serving?

]]> By: myiq2xu http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210223 myiq2xu Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:32:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210223 <p>Well, in a sense he is correct, Conservatives are a victim of their own success - success at achieving power.</p> <p>Once they achieved power and people got a good look at them in action, they looked to the left because they knew conservatives weren’t right.</p> Well, in a sense he is correct, Conservatives are a victim of their own success – success at achieving power.

Once they achieved power and people got a good look at them in action, they looked to the left because they knew conservatives weren’t right.

]]> By: republicanSScareme http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210211 republicanSScareme Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:19:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210211 <p>His parents named him Jonah because they suspected that one day he would turn into a big, fat, stupid whale.</p> His parents named him Jonah because they suspected that one day he would turn into a big, fat, stupid whale.

]]> By: ekwhite http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210120 ekwhite Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:14:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210120 <p>Unfortunately, us Angelenos have to ignore his column in the LA Times on a weekly basis. This book doesn’t surprise, me considering some of the tripe I have read in his columns.</p> Unfortunately, us Angelenos have to ignore his column in the LA Times on a weekly basis. This book doesn’t surprise, me considering some of the tripe I have read in his columns.

]]> By: Maddy http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210103 Maddy Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:58:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210103 <p>Tinky winky?</p> Tinky winky?

]]> By: skippy http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210045 skippy Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:19:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/calling-out-jonah-goldberg/#comment-1210045 <p>another great example of why dave neiwert is the best writer in blogtopia and yes, i coined that phrase.</p> another great example of why dave neiwert is the best writer in blogtopia and yes, i coined that phrase.

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