And here we go again. Tim Dickinson, editor of Rollingstone.com's National Affairs Daily:
There's only one thing that makes sense of the Clinton campaign's clumsy and classless injection of race into her primary battle with Barack Obama. And that is that her victory in New Hampshire -- impressive though it was -- threatened to transform her into a special-interest candidate.
Hillary would not have won that battle without exaggerated support from women. Despite having campaigned vigorously as a candidate who just-so-happened to be a woman, her lifeline came from affinity voters.
Hello, ladies! You may make up 57% of the Democratic voters in Iowa and New Hampshire, but you're "affinity voters." Congratulations.
And so, while Obama is being forced to clarify that he is not, indeed, a Nation-of-Islam sympathizing closet anti-Semite, no one is looking much at Clinton's very real troubles winning over the hearts and minds of male voters.
That's a good question. In yesterday's Michigan primary, Hillary Clinton did indeed lose the "single men" vote to "uncommitted" but won every other group (single and married women, married men). Does that mean single men have some special insight into the political debate that women just don't have? That they are able to look past their own narrow view and be wise, magnanimous and judicious in a way that female "affinity voters" just can't? Are women being short-sighted and selfish in deciding to cast a vote for Hillary Clinton? I suppose that means married men are just henpecked. Well, that's just certain to get everyone's blood boiling on all sides of the debate, isn't it?
Woo hoo! Let's have a bonfire.
In the midst of all of it, Dickinson has a valid gripe -- Richard Cohen's specious and irresponsible concern-trolling from the pages of the Washington Post, where he attempts to mainstream right-wing hate mail claims tying Obama to Louis Farrakhan. It's right up there with Joe Lieberman meeting with Jewish groups to tell them they should worry because Ned Lamont was tight with the African-American community -- absolutely reprehensible. There are also legitimate concerns about race baiting invading the campaign dialog.
That tends to get buried the minute you dismiss the majority of people within the Democratic party for voting with their vaginas.
Both of the candidates have indicated they want this spat to stop. In last night's debate they refused to play the moderators' race and gender baiting and "gotcha" games. If journalists like Brian Williams, Tim Russert and Tim Dickinson continue to inflame situation, it's a good indication that they're the ones who find it advantageous to egg it on -- not the campaigns or the public. Both Clinton and Obama looked exhausted last night. But the "affinity voters" aren't the ones perpetuating this narrow and divisive frame.
There are legitimate reasons to oppose Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as candidates. But there are a lot of people just use these issues to cover up their own misogyny and/or racism, and polarizing articles like these that attempt to reduce the dynamic to a "chicks and blacks" debate, while media-friendly and aimed at the lowest common denominator (the ideal Chris Matthews frame), give them plenty of opportunity for refuge.
It may get you on Hardball, but it's not "journalism" and it's not helpful.
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Wake me on November 3rd, please.
Goodbye Rolling Stone, generation Y jackoff rag.
What % of single men are gay?
Hello, Jane!
Told you I’ll see you at the Lake…*g*
Sometimes being in the southern hemisphere seems just barely far enough away. The Cohen article was absolutely reprehensible, WTF was he thinking?
Thank you, Jane.
OK Jane you jest right?
I have only watched the first series of questions from last nights debate so far but I was shocked at how hard the moderators wanted to steer away from issues to towards a self-destructive spiral of nonsense between the candidates. And I was really delighted about how none of the candidates would bite.
t’s right up there with Joe Lieberman meeting with Jewish groups to tell them they should worry because Ned Lamont was tight with the African-American community — absolutely reprehensible
Well - he may be reprehensible, but at least he’s consistent about it…
Tim Dickinson (no comment on that last name) launches a pro-affinity laced tirade…
Re-Post..but an interesting opinion by Susan Faludi on why “older” women support Sen Clinton. My thought was that older women had more personal experience with gender discrimination; Ms Faludi has another “take”
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Just got an email from Senator Dodd. He needs help retiring his campaign debt. If you like the job he’s doing in the Senate, you might throw a few bucks his way.
http://www.chrisdodd.com/contribute
Ah Jane, aren’t you being the gracious one today.
My bold. Journalists indeed. Oh how I long for those days when Hunter S. Thompson was the National Affairs editor at Rolling Stone. and there actually WERE journalists covering the politicians.
I was shocked at how hard the moderators wanted to steer away from issues to towards a self-destructive spiral of nonsense between the candidates.
Actually, I was impressed by the candidates’ responses, which boiled down to: “No. Race isn’t an issue. Fuck you. Next question.”
And J-Lie’s good buddy McCain talking about “Judeo-Christian” values in Michigan.
Wake me when these guys–and isn’t it interesting that they all seem to be middle-aged-plus white males of comfortable means–are actually called out as race-baiters. Next thing you know they’ll be penning articles in Ron Paul’s newsletter.
Helpful. Not. Tim Russert tried really hard last night with the gasoline but came up short. All three candidates comported themselves with dignity. I’m really proud of all three Dems, I tell you. And afterward, Chris Matthews just won’t quit his fuckery. If all this baiting in the media continues, I predict MSM (especially the teevee folks) will fall flat on its face. Americans are getting sick of it. At least the ones I know.
Hey ((((Jane))))!
Who u callin’ a lady?!
We’re ” ” ” and we ‘re not gonna take it any more! ;->
Thanks for the link.
For sure, Hillary’s strong suit is competence. And that alone would be quite an improvement over the last 7 years.
But the MSM denigrates competence with words like overscripted.
what this gender-voting discussion is missing is a mention of, well, hung chad.
I’m still laughing at “voting with their vaginas”. Oh Jane.
Every single one of the repubble candidates is the scariest one I’ve ever seen, until I look at another of them.
As Tweety apparently let slip last night, “WE [!] HAVE NO CANDIDATE!”
How does he even shave in the morning. Oh, wait…
The media has wanted this to be the “black guy vs the woman” from the very start. They couldn’t care less about “Obama vs Clinton”. They couldn’t care less about Edwards. They couldn’t care less about issues.
It was very encouraging to see the candidates NOT take the bait. If anything it made Russert and the boys look even more foolish.
Biodun! Your post yesterday was amazing.
Thank you.
Gov Devol Patrick was on television this morning saying anything the Clinton campaign does is on purpose.
aw c’mon. she’s just a grrrl. heh /s
Hello, I’m mainly a lurker but I badly need some advice on a wildly off-topic situation, except in that it involves an anti-Iraq war activist. I wouldn’t go this far OT but I’m at a loss.
A friend of mine needs to move very quickly. Unfortunately, the option she likes best so far is with this woman. (I’ve edited the name out so that it’s not googleable.)
(Wikipedia article.)
My friend’s two previous experiences have involved sharing a house with the owner as well, and both situations ended pretty badly on account of First Owner’s secret plans to sell the house from under my friend’s lease, and Second Owner being an evil psycho, so her future housemates’ sanity is pretty much her #1 priority now.
It sounds a little like this woman got on the wrong side of the run-up to the Iraq war. There’s contradictory information on her mental competence as well. The Wikipedia article certainly gives the impression that she was treated very poorly when she was in custody. And the articles about the case stop around mid-2006; the case seems to have died down. Still, is it a good idea to rent from her? Can anyone weigh in on this matter? Maybe some of you are familiar with the facts of the situation?
OMG! I’m 60-something yrs YOUNG!?!
And I’ll vote for Edwards in spite of his good hair.
I found the name in less than 10 seconds. And I’m not even very good at searching.
So what exactly is your purpose in posting this?
Dickinson is ridiculous. This is a man who cited the “anonymous” Clinton advisor mentioned in The Guardian as proof of how vile Hillary Clinton was without any scrutiny or basic critical thinking skills. He also refuses to ever hold Obama to the same standards.
Besides, everyone should know that Cohen applies the “Farrakhan Test” to everyone, including Toni Morrisson for speaking at the Million Man March. The man is notorious.
Is it more important to find a place to live quickly or to understand the potential problems with a person you will be living with? My gut feeling is find another room mate even if it might be unfair. Taking care of one’s self
at this point is important.
I hope I understood the question.
Sorry that was supposed to be a response to #25. Not sure how that happened.
The Vagina Monologues, by Eve Ensler, a friend on Facebook.
And Andy Borowitz thinks Timmeh’s head should hold its own primary.
Somehow I think it already does.
As I said, thanks so much for inviting me. FDL is amazing. You and Christy are a phenomenon!
“If journalists like Brian Williams, Tim Russert and Tim Dickinson continue to pour gasoline on the situation, it’s a good indication that they’re the ones who find it advantageous to egg it on — not the campaigns or the public.||”
Additionally, if they choose to exacerbate this potential division, and ignore the matter of potential disagreement between religious fundamentalists and admirers of the Gilded Age, it says something about their partisanship. They can’t claim that they are just after interesting news (yellow journalism) but are non-partisan.
Good grief.
My sentiment exactly.
If Edwards were to out himself as gay that would fire up the punditocracy’s interests. They could then create the woman vs the black guy vs the gay guy! Cage match!
OK…I’m sorry but while I can imagine (sadly, and thanks a lot!) voting with one’s penis, I just don’t see how the mechanics would work for vaginas.
Great post Jane. I really like your focus on the misdirection of the punditry and unbiased view of the candidates.
What if he just starting shouting I AM NOT GAY!?
So that’s where we are, huh?
8 yrs of chimpy has yielded a media that trashes any candidate who can remember more than one sentence at a time.
Reporterating is hard work.
Jane Hamsher:
You say, “Richard Cohen’s specious and irresponsible concern-trolling from the pages of the Washington Post, where he attempts to mainstream right-wing hate mail claims tying Obama to Louis Farrakhan. It’s right up there with Joe Lieberman meeting with Jewish groups to tell them they should worry because Ned Lamont was tight with the African-American community — absolutely reprehensible.”
This column wasn’t a “right-wing hate mail attack” — it was, as you yourself say here, an attack comparable to Lieberman’s attacks on Lamon, i.e., an attack from the Lieberman-Clinton wing of the party. The last paragraph of Clinton’s, er, Cohen’s column makes this pretty clear, as he echoes the attack on Obama’s “voting present” in his legislative career.
Ding ding ding.
The MSM is Stockholm Syndromed. They can’t bear having their master of the last seven years made to look bad.
But the “competence” issue is also gender related. Men may or may not be good at their jobs, but women must always be competent, otherwise they are a disgrace.
Excellent point for an excellent post.
I did not watch the debates but I did go back and read comments from last night here at FDL. It’s clear the press are no longer referees or guardians of the public interest.
You would think that if those whole affair–that the press started by willful misinterpretation and sadistic glee–was truly disadvantageous to Obama, that his supporters wouldn’t dare risk inflaming it, especially a high-ranking one that wouldn’t speak out without Obama’s approval (Patrick and Obama are very close). The moment I saw Jesse Jackson, Jr. spewing nonsense on TV–the day after NH–is the moment I knew this would be ugly (Axelrod will take advantage of anything the press will allow him to and Obama himself said to get ready for “rough and tumble” politics just days ago).
Note: I’m not saying Clinton’s supporters hands are clean (Johnson, Mark Penn), but to hold her personally responsible for even supporters and not Obama for even his staff makes it all the worse. Just before this, she seemed to have been riding post-NH momentum to closing the gap in South Carolina, too. My political heart still beats for Edwards, but this whole thing has been a damn shame.
I edited out the name because I didn’t want my post to be found in case she googled her own name. I wanted to see if other people could interpret the situation better, since it’s not your usual renting-from-a-person-standing-trial case. I don’t think it really warranted such a snippy response.
marymccurnin @ 30 - Thanks. Finding someone reliable is the highest priority, I think.
Well Jane, I am Jewish, but no way would I vote for Joe Lieberman for any office. Female too, but not voting for Hillary in the primary.
Yep. And as we all know, only the poor folks making less than $100k per have to work hard at hard work. Reporterating that pays millions and millions of dollars means “I don’t has to go hard anymore, I can just take strnography and be done with it.”
- and others…
do i gather mods removed a post? & i got stuck with the offending ##?
weird. *sigh*
Totally! And with stereotypical costumes to make it easier for the crowd to identify who’s who.
No its still there - so who knows.
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In response to Praedor @ 38
What if he just starting shouting I AM NOT GAY!?
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if he does it with a rather wide stance the Republicans will believe him …..
I agree with everything you said
On Cohen and Clinton: The elephant in the room is the Iraq (and Iran?) war and AIP*C’s concern that the anti-war movement in the U.S. will have success in countering current US M.E. war commitment, hence the support for Hillary among core supporters of this group because she has been very supportive of the Iraq and other war iniiatives here.
While this was framed in terms of Farrakhan, the wide spread dissemination of the nasty email about Obama clearly was only part of the story. It was terrific that Je*ish leaders came out condemning this email attack (and Cohen’s related Wash Post piece) and hopefully that will be the end of it.
Maybe this will signal the turning of a new page for faltering black and Je*ish relations here which have changed dramatically from the close ties in the 1960s civil rights movement (when leaders of both groups pressed together to bring about core changes in discrimination impacting both. Alas, tensions built in years following with the movement against the apartheid South African government (and Isr*el ongoing support) seen as an anathema to many African Americans, followed by the growing Palestinian crisis and black support for that community. It would be great to put this behind us too (and hopefully the new US President can negotiate a real peace in Isr*el/Palestine) allowing black and Je*ish communities to work toward positive interactions here. This will be critical not only for the Democratic party but also for the country as a whole.
Well, then they’d brand him a Republican…
So, in your opinion, would it be best for people who want to defeat the Republican candidate for President in 2008 to try to put aside this divisive issue, or insist on sticking with it until we can reach a consensus on establishing blame?
Hello M,
Since it was your first post and touched on a delicate matter, I think some readers may feel self protective. There’s been a lot of trolling during the primaries.
I too was a little puzzled by the editing and inclusion of a wiki link. But now I understand. Unfortunately, I have no advice, but good luck to you.
Hi, Jane!
Calling these people journalists is like calling Taco Bell Mexican cuisine.
This column wasn’t a “right-wing hate mail attack” — it was, as you yourself say here, an attack comparable to Lieberman’s attacks on Lamon, i.e., an attack from the Lieberman-Clinton wing of the party. The last paragraph of Clinton’s, er, Cohen’s column makes this pretty clear, as he echoes the attack on Obama’s “voting present” in his legislative career.
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Cohen gives nerds a bad name ………
Why a * in the middle of Jewish?
Edwards as the last-minute savior for the R prez race! Love it.
Jane - great post: I didn’t hear it but the call out from the audience that the questions were race bating was interesting. Hopefully that will send a signal too, that enough is enough.
Maybe we no longer need the * - for a while in the past, I was told things would get stuck in the back room without it. Great not to have to do it anymore!
Evidently it is a filter catcher. I’ve not quite figured it out.
OOOOHH — I hadn’t thought of that aspect of it!! Quick, does anyone know somebody on his campaign staff? I think we have a winning strategy here for him. Who said strategerizing was hard?
pretty sure that was for the organization a i p a c, not the words Israel or Jewish.
LOL, true!
While I’m thinking about it, I’m a big ACLU fan, but WTH are they saying about people ########## in a public stall expect some privacy???? And how about (no surprise here) Britney coming out of a store changing room completely naked and she and her BF getting it on right there?
Excuse me, but I have an expectation of being public while walking in public places. Get a room!!!
As I said, Timmeh tried hard last night:
See how netroots working together can be brilliant! *g*
Well obviously you are correct :-) - and thanks!
Here’s the real dilemma. Women ran to Hillary’s defense? They felt sorry for her? Since when have women voted (or done anyhting else for that matter) as a block? I’m not buying it. Something’s fishy here and I can’t put my finger on it. Leave it to the rags to blame Hillary’s coronation on women. She stinks. So be it.
Thanks Fern.
It wasn’t on my machine, but all the responses were.
It’s now showing, since I just refreshed the page.
Very weird indeed.
For awhile, probably still(?) there were at least 3 responses to ## that, on my machine, held my comments, but none of the responses referred to anything i was saying. help! the toobz have fried. nooooooooooooooo….
Cohen is also an errand boy for Hiatt in a way that the rest of the neocon stable there — Krauthammer, Will, multiple Kagans — aren’t, as he has no viable journalistic existence outside his op-ed perch there. Hiatt tasks him with particularly noisome, unscrupulous work, such as his Libby columns.
I want to go back and read that link to Susan Faludi, but I first wanted to comment on the interesting phrase that we “vote with our vaginas”. I view that as a sexually ojectifying phrase. Used to, it was our uteruses (uteri?) that “caused” us to vote the way we do. A sexual partner has access to the vagina, but not the uterus. I think there is a graduate paper in there somewhere.
Combine that with the FU Frank moment from the Paulinistas and we at least have a revolution against the MSM on our hands. Not a bad thing, imo.
Maybe that’s a strategy: demonstrate against the networks and the competing networks will report it…
Absolutely!
Taco Bell is Mexican cuisine, US version. So then they are journalists, US version…*g*
Try quiting the web browser and starting fresh.
Yup!
The graduate paper is where?
Ditto. My take as well.
Anywhere you can find a “gap” in the research.
I took the v with v remark as a nice alliterative revision of the vote with your wallet phrase. My grad paper will come from the English Dept. *g*
I finally got a chance to read the intruding comment.
Frankly, I’m suspicious. Sounds like an attempt to drag FDL folk into linking wildly to stuff that will light up switchboards somewhere.
But then I’m just an overly cautious old lady….
I’m just not going there, myself.
There’s probably good reason why single males skewed against Hillary. Some of them (at least the older ones) are probably single for a very good reason.
RollingStone’s readership is largely white male. That’s who their advertisers target. So, think about it.
So, under that theory, a teenage boy would be what, a prostate with ears?
Single white males?
That image works for me.
So, under that theory, a teenage boy would be what, a prostate with ears?
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Aha! A backdoor slap at the University of West Virginia “eers”!
awright… hysterectomy
see you & raise 5000
Should I be speaking for the prostates with ears, for they have no voice?
Single white males?
Was at one time. My guess is that their readers are aging and marrying.
They’re also like a bunch of yapping chihuahuas.
It is kinda a strange frame. On one hand it hardens those who are actually skewed and on the other, in a liberal baiting sorta way, challenges those single males like myself that dislike Hillary for her policy.
I’m not touching this with a ten foot GOPness.
If distant memory serves me, they don’t need no stinkin’ voice.
ohgawd it’s tempting, but no…. and yet i just had to click & type, didn’t i? you trolled & you can just call me a marlin who rose up & tapped the bait just once, lightly. bye.
this conversation is cracking me up…
carry on.
OK, I am back. You kids need to settle down. And yes, for us “older” women, I highly recommend the Faludi article. She hits the nail on the head.
RollingStone demos:
http://www.srds.com/mediakits/.....phics.html
you folding?
no more chips in the pot?
geewhizzyizzy, my braaiiiinnnn issssssmeltinggggggggrrrgggg…….
Please read the The Vagina Monologues, by Eve Ensler. See link in my 31 above. That’ll help you a little bit.
Oh, then it’s time for the Frito Bandito!
I’ve seen it on stage.
OK so why are we talking about teenage boys? Is it my fault for the larry craig reference? are they even old enough to vote? what are we worried about again?
LOL!
I read it yesterday, and really enjoyed it.
ouch!
ick!