Identity politics is now back with a vengeance at the center of US politics. In the New Hampshire Democratic primary, belying all the polls and media accounts that had Obama ahead by as much as 13 points, Hillary Clinton’s unexpected victory opened up the historical antagonism between race and gender that has always haunted US politics.
Speculations in the media among politicians and pundits in the wake of that primary have been discussed here, here, and here.
Identity politics involves the privileging, in political practice, of one of the categories of difference (race, class, gender, and sexual orientation), hierarchy, and discrimination that exists in US culture and society.
However, in this election cycle, Progressives have to be vigilant not to let race and gender short-circuit each other the way that happened in the 1960s. In that decade, the civil rights movement elided gender, while second-wave feminism elided race. In the latter, in the name of universal sisterhood, white feminists elided women of color (in the US and in the third-world), who stood at the nexus of gender and race. In a New York Times article on Sunday, Mark Leibovich implied that the race between Clinton and Obama is zero-sum: one side wins, the other loses. On the contrary, we say it should be nonzero-sum: both sides win. The discourse and debates in this primary and general presidential run should of course engage the issues of gender and race, among other issues, but absolutely should not be defined by them. Progressives need to form tactical and strategic alliances across these categories of difference in order to achieve desired political goals.
In the context of political (and social) movements mobilized for political(and legal) goals in the US, the historical antagonism between race and gender can be traced back to the abolitionist Frederick Douglass and Susan B. Anthony in the 19th century, and not to Douglass and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, as Leibovich claimed in his NY Times article. (Douglass and Stanton knew each other but weren’t friends).
In 1869, the long-time friendship between Douglass and Anthony dissolved over the debate preceding the 15th Amendment to the Constitution that gave the vote to black men, but not to women. A highly devoted abolitionist, Anthony questioned why women should support this Amendment when black men did not support women’s voting rights. After the passage of the 15th Amendment in 1870, Anthony devoted her work exclusively to the agitation for women’s suffrage. The 19th Amendment in 1920 eventually granted women the right to vote.
In the 1960s, second-wave feminism picked up the relay of the race-gender divide. Betty Friedan’s Feminine Mystique; Shulamith Firestone’s The Dialectic of Sex; Kate Millett’s Sexual Politics; and Gloria Steinem’s Ms Magazine: in the name of white middle- and upper-middle-class women, all these seminal texts of second-wave feminism and publication theorized a first-world feminist politics that posited a global sisterhood in the primary struggle against patriarchal oppression, thereby eliding the specific historical, economic, and social conditions of the woman of color in the US and third world who stood at the axis of race and gender. (Third-wave feminism later came to question this global feminist theory.)
(Simone de Beauvoir is often mistakenly credited for launching second-wave feminism. But even in 1949 when she wrote her book, The Second Sex she seemed to have anticipated its limitations. She wrote in the Intro:
But there are deep similarities between the situation of woman and that of the Negro. Both are being emancipated today from a like paternalism, and the former master class wishes to ‘keep them in their place’ – that is, the place chosen for them. In both cases the former masters lavish more or less sincere eulogies, either on the virtues of ‘the good Negro’ with his dormant, childish, merry soul – the submissive Negro – or on the merits of the woman who is ‘truly feminine’ – that is, frivolous, infantile, irresponsible the submissive woman.)
Women (white and black) were mostly absent or marginalized in the civil rights, Black Power, and Black Panther movements. Ironically, in 1955 Rosa Parks came to embody, as it were, the race-gender commonality in the struggle against white patriarchal oppression when she refused to give up her bus seat for a white man, a highly significant event that mobilized and animated the civil rights movement in the 1960s. At that moment in US history, as a woman of color, Rosa Parks occupied that liminal space straddling the sutures of class, race, and gender, a dispersion of subject-positions at conflict with legal institutions, social and state policies, and cultural norms and authority.
And the case of Anita Hill in 1991 exposed the bankruptcy of the race-gender divide in US politics. When Anita Hill accused Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment in the workplace and testified at his Senate confirmation hearing, white and black women mostly rallied around her in the nimbus of a common awareness of gender discrimination and patriarchal hierarchization. And indeed some African-Americans accused her of betraying her race.
Which brings us to the present moment. Again: Progressives need to work across categories of difference to form strategic and tactical alliances to contest and win hegemony by consensus.
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BIODUN!!
go raven.
hi biodun.
Hi folks. Thanks.
Jane:
Thanks so much for inviting me to do this.
Biodun on the front page!!
Congrats!
It’s either MSNBC or AOL that has a poll going on which is the greater taboo: sexism or racism. nice huh?
Hey dems, not gonna do it, wouldn’t be prudent…
Hey Biodun! Congratulations
Huh. Oprah’s black and female, and she chose Obama. Interesting.
Busted and egregious:
Thanks!
Biodun, is this your first headline? you write like a veteran! :)
Hey Biodun- Congrats on the front page! Mucho ase!
I guess this is one of my problems in this whole deal. It would be such a breakthrough for a woman or an African American (or and African American woman)but guess what, it ain’t gonna be Cytnthia McKinney. My point is that almost by definition the person will have to be “middle of the road” to get elected. So, we know that no one really does what they say they are going to do do. We know neither of these candidates are “progressive” enough for most of our tastes but maybe it would be more important to break down one of these barriers.
Well now, lookie who’s on the front page. GO BIODUN!!!
Not my first. But my first at FDL, yes…*g*
Most excellent Biodun!!!
Great to see your name up top!
Great primer Biodun, thanks!
Best strategy for keeping race and gender out of politics would be to support John Edwards, the only real progressive with a chance to win the nomination.
As I told Jane yesterday, this whole thing is in the air. From Gary Kamiya in Salon today:
OK, here’s my two cents just on my own personal biases etc. I’m white and female and I’m backing Edwards.
I want to really really believe it’s because of his stand on the issues. frankly, I didn’t gravitate to his personality right away but the Clinton Machine pushed me over there. I want to like Obama (love love love listening to him) and vote for him, but I do not like his Senate votes. So I am trying to convince myself that I am not ########### “identity politics”. I truly do not know for sure.
I like Dodd too. I will admit to liking a “strong daddy” persona (please don’t flame me), but Dodd deserves my respect and admiration for better reasons than that like his stand against telecom immunity and more.
Just trying to be honest with the Lake and with myself here. since we’re talking about it.
sacre bleu! Biodun “a la une”!
Great piece Biodun – both provocative and thoughtful.
And today of course we have another form of religious/ethnicity identity politics being played out in the Washinton Post and around the blogs, fanned by the column by Cohen claiming anti-Semit*sm. I find it all disgusting, and in the latter case a backlash (or rather foregrounding) of the issue of I* and the US war policy in the M.E. This 3rd rail of identity politics may prove to be the more painful and deeply damaging than the others.
Thanks Richmond, Loo Hoo, DWBartoo, and tw3k…
Merci bien, punaise mon vieux…
Biodun!! Great writing. Thanks for front-paging*g*
And in her NYTimes OP-Ed piece on January 8, Gloria Steinem is still fighting her battle in the 1960s:
MSNBC is trying to inflame this subject even more, in a quite stupid way at that,
Divide and conquer baby.
Hi Laura…
Yay B!
wow!
I can digg it!
*g*
You are right on, Biodun. Excellent food for thought.
like all the barriers Margaret Thatcher broke down for women in the UK.
H. Clinton would be a Thatcherite, DLC, corporate candidate, none too different than a normal country-club republican, before the GOP went batshit insane.
blood she splills in attacks against countries that pose no threat to the USA will be on the consciences of whoever votes for her – a dire risk for those who like to profess that their politics are tinged with morality.
It’s a great article but I dare say I do love your avatar,
frivolously yours,
Elliott
identity politics do not take us to the elision fields.
Nice piece Biodun, thanks and congrat’s.
Thanks…
Elliott – previous thread: sorry, it was a 737
Biodun Thanks for the great post! So much needs to be said about this subject and the campaigns seem to be getting it all wrong. Makes us all (US citizens) look bad. I support Edwards and have for a long time but I felt that Obama would be a great VP and work his way up to prez. I am very disappointed in him so far – he is too vague for me. Hope it will get better as we go along.
I dugg it too!
will be on the consciences of whoever votes for her
I assume that goes for anyone who pays taxes as well?
the theme for tonight’s debate is black and brown issues
giving Williams and Russert an invitation to cause trouble on the race issue. msgop has been stirring up troubble.
http://www.reuters.com/article…..BW20071217
*g*
Biodun,
I have seen several people suggest that because he is a white male, Edwards is more “free” to express the anger that many people have in response to the many atrocities of the Bush years, while Clinton and Obama, because of their “identity issues”, are at much greater risk of backlash from any comments that stray from expected levels of decorum. Do you see a role for thinking along these lines in the negative reactions this week to the dialogue occurring between the Clinton and Obama camps?
Yep. We’ll see how things shake out in the debate tonight. See whether they’ve actually declared that truce…
Biodun! So exciting to see you on the front page.
Hi Busted, did you or anyone catch the Newshour last night? They had on Congressman John Lewis of Georgia who backs HRC and the Reverend Joseph Lowery, co-founder, along with Dr. King, and president emeritus of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Lowery backs Obama.
Lowery did an excellent job, imo, of refusing to take the bait although invited to many times by Lewis. Lewis was not going to put the sword down, but finally did at the end of the interview. Lowery was very kind and generous when saying he would take Hilary’s word when she says she is not race-baiting. He said over and over again that the Democrats need to stick to the issues.
Anyone else have a take on that?
OMG, get a load of this from Huffpo:
Biodun, one more really not so small thing, can you remind us please how to properly pronounce your name. I know I had it wrong originally…
thanks!
Hillary steers clear of explicit gender issues; Obama also avoids taking on race up front. I’m sure they’ve both given some thought to not conforming to stereotypes…
Two experts on Saudi Arabia were basically in agreement that SA is “confused” to put it mildly as to where the US stands vis a vis the ME. Does Bush sound insane in that interview or what? The whole world is eager to be rid of Bush.
And Edwards? Received a half-million salary from the Sub-Prime Lender, Off-Shore shelter corporation called Fortress Investment Group? They are the same corporation which has contributed the most to his Presidential Campaign.
Edwards says he wasn’t aware that Fortress was involved in the Sub-Prime loans made to borrowers who were most vulnerable to interest rate increases, and also opposed off-shore investment tax shelters by voting for legislation opposed to them when he was a Senator. Nevertheless, it seems odd that he would not know precisely what Fortress did? Edwards says that he didn’t actually deal with these aspects of Fortresses portfolio and primarily was involved in helping Fortress “understand the legislative environment”. Hmmm!
Edwards Making His Millions Grow
Good to see you too. There are a few Minnesotans on the thread, to give me some moral support. Some are regular commenters. But they’re lurking on this one…*g*
LOL! Delusion of grandeur or what?
Bee-OH-done…
H. Clinton would be a Thatcherite, DLC, corporate candidate, none too different than a normal country-club republican, before the GOP went batshit insane.
And Edwards? Received a half-million salary from the Sub-Prime Lender, Off-Shore shelter corporation called Fortress Investment Group? They are the same corporation which has contributed the most to his Presidential Campaign.
Edwards says he wasn’t aware that Fortress was involved in the Sub-Prime loans made to borrowers who were most vulnerable to interest rate increases, and also opposed off-shore investment tax shelters by voting for legislation opposed to them when he was a Senator. Nevertheless, it seems odd that he would not know precisely what Fortress did? Edwards says that he didn’t actually deal with these aspects of Fortresses portfolio and primarily was involved in helping Fortress “understand the legislative environment”. Hmmm!
Edwards Making His Millions Grow
Well, this solves the whole thing.
Ich Bein Ein Minnesoter
exactly.
though since it is all debt financed current taxes may pay relatively little directly – but there has been enough killing to make a stain even on the avg taxpayer.
Richmond has always known how to pronounce that name…*g*
Every time I start to feel “ok” about Edwards you speak up. *g
Biodun, thanks for this impressive piece and the reseach reflected init – thans for your work.
Congrats on a great FDL front page debut – you rawk.
And thanks for teaching me a new word: elided
pardon moi, monsieur, mais, mais, I don’t speak German…
We’re talking about moral complicity and I guess we just need to all mosey down to jonestown becuase we are ALL guilty of some shit or another.
Same here, good word.
A totally apt, timely and intelligent posting, thank you.
kirk: You’re most welcome. I enjoyed your book salon. I always lurk at those when I haven’t read the book…
i tend to lurk during the day … so many articulate commenters speak for me that this mere graphic artist doesn’t have much to add. But i’ll certainly stand beside you for moral support *g*
Biodun,
I started writing an essay yesterday about Diane Benson, the Tlingit civil rights activist who ran against Don Young for Congress in Alaska in 2006, and is doing it again. I wanted to concentrate on her civil rights and women’s rights work, but couldn’t quite wrap my mind around it.
Reading your essay helped me re-focus. Thanks!
There has never been a Native American woman in the US Congress.
Very interesting piece, Biodun. I look forward to reading if more carefully when I have time.
Thanks, globalcitizen.
again, I agree – there were some heated threads awhile back after posts by Siun featuring and Iraqui MD who made the claim that all Americans are complicit in the slaughter of her people – and there was some handwringing anout degrees of complcity, etc.
I was on the side of face it, we are all stained. (D) politics not a panacea, far from it.
Yup *g* – from Abiodun “one born in war times” (a name appropriate for our era, and our circumstances too! Biodun, our front pager, is a descendant of famous Yoruba kings.
Biodun, just had a chance to read this. Great post, which should be required reading for everyone in both the Clinton and Obama campaigns. Congrats on being front page, and also for such a well-reasoned, well-written post.
me neither, and I don’t particularly care for jelly donuts
Yea, it’s a bitch ain’t it? I am totally convinced that any of the dems, but Hil in particular, will be forced to attack the first “target of opportunity” if they get elected.
You’re welcome. Glad to have been of help…You do compose on many platforms.
Biodun on the front page!!
Congrats!
ditto!!
Now to read…
Totally OT–
Actually, Abiodun means born into the New Year, or born on Christmas Day or Ramadan. It’s a unisexual name given to anyone born on those days. (I was born on New Year’s Day.)
My hope is for someone who can extract us from Iraq. So far of the two, the Senator seems the least likely to do so, and may perhaps not even want to.
Thanks, Fern.
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Citizen Biodun and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post as far as it goes, but I think you miss something very basic in the analysis as it relates to the current campaign and that is playing off of race and gender against each other to structurally weaken the Democratic Party base by splintering two of the 3 largest groups in the Democratic coalition. Mrs. Clinton and Barak O’Lieberman are both owned by the same economic interests and no matter the extent that they have any control over the actions over their own campaigns, they certainly are aware of the effects of those tactics on politics at large.
That said, I firmly believe that at this moment the playing of gender against race has opened space for Edwards and the only way he can take advantage of it is to use the next debate to elevate himself above the tactics and declare that this conflict makes both Clinton and O’Lieberman unfit to govern. The great majority of folks out here including women and blacks are more interested in issues of the war, health care and the economy than race horse demographic battles…if Edwards can’t take advantage of this opportunity and either Mrs. Clinton or O’Lieberman is nominated, the Democratic Party is dead.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR HAS COME HOME TO US NOW!!
B,
I like what you said at the end
“Progressives need to work across categories of difference to form strategic and tactical alliances to contest and win hegemony by consensus.”
can you elaborate a little more perhaps?
I missed it, but John Lewis is a true hero. It would be hard for me to believe that he b adobpted in position based on shallow self interest or political maneuvering.
I’m here, Biodun – just arrived! Congrats on the front-pager and the excellent thought-provoking post!
Kathie in MN
Sending support from North Dakota. Just a few blocks to the Minnesota border. I consider it my political home because of its blue hue.
Correction: …that he adopted any position based on shallow…
Gee, Thanks!
Yes, congratulations, Biodun. I had noticed that your comments were always well informed and thoughtful.
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Didn’t know you are a Gopher…I’m born and bred but now live in cheesland on the edge of the St. Criox Valley. Minnesota politics is gettin’ interestin again ain’t it…ya think that the tactics of the 3rd party splinter has finally caught up with the fascists in Minnesota?
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS INTO YER YARD!!
Disclosure: I’m an Edwards supporter…I agree with most of what you said.
Raven and sporkovat, great in-thread conversation. Needs broader consideration amongst denizens of the lake.
Biden’s wife involved in an accident on I-95…doesn’t sound good…
OMG! that can’t be, not twice for the Bidens…
I don’t think Angela Davis would appreciate what Biodun said about black women being absent or marginalized in the Black Power and Black Panther movements.
According to Antonio Gramsci, hegemony has to be won from the bottom up by consensus: everything has to be constantly contested and negotiated, and the outcome of any political action is never taken for granted or guaranteed. People have to mobilize across differences to achieve common political (and sometimes legal) goals.
Minor injuries, reportedly.
Hi Kathie…
“According to police Senator Joe Biden’s wife was involved in a car accident on I-95 Tuesday morning.
Biden’s wife was treated for minor injuries and released. She is now recovering at home.
The accident caused a major delay on 95 just before 10 a.m.
Stay tuned to CBS3.com for updates on this developing story.”
Way to go, Biodun! from this weekend Minnesotan.
And cinnamonape, sometimes you have to go into the belly of the beast to understand it…and tame it.
Interesting to hear today McCain in Michigan with its Moslem demographic talkin’ “Judeo-Christian values….”
Go, Edwards! And go to his website, pups, and help the 1/18 fundraising campaign.
Biodun!!!! Congrats!! Bravo!!!
I know. It was so odd. one wanted to keep fighting and defending their candidate and the other was so over it and said “let’s move on, together” in so many words. I even had trouble keeping track of which candidate Lowery was for because he was being such a peacemaker. here’s a link to the transcript. Lewis had a tone of controlled anger and Lowery was conciliatory and open. it was interesting to observe. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..01-14.html
I support neither Clinton nor Obama, but I recognize that either would be infinitely preferable to any of the current crop of Republican troglodytes. I am not interested in their race or gender and I wish they and the press would back off of it. I am more interested in what they are going to do about the Iraq war, the economy, upholding the rights and protections guaranteed in the Constitution, and healthcare.
Thanks for the link. MSNBC made it sound ominous.
apt
OK, she was the exception. This fact of marginalization has been widely discussed and written about. For starters, read Michelle Wallace’s Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman
I think this is sort of on topic for this post:
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node
apologies if this is a repeat…
Two things:
1) Very informative post Biodun ;-) I’ve gotta go back and read this thoroughly
2) I listened to the interview, dosido (listened to KQED’s simulcast – was out running errands) John Lewis sounded like he wanted to get in the gutter and that he wanted to drag Rev Lowery in with him, but the Rev. wouldn’t get down with him, and instead took the high road
Hi. Thanks.
FWIW, Shirley Chisolm (though I can’t find a source) once remarked that she felt more hampered by her sex than by her race. Ok, found this:
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Citizens Raven and Sporkovat:
Yes indeed, we are all complicit in our own unresolved history, aren’t we? The blood of generations stains our hands and the terribly dark shadow of the political economy of slavery and an unresolved civil war hangs over us and will not let us see the light of our humanity until we resolve it…the war is home now and it ain’t goin’ away.
KEEP THE FAITH, IF WE DON’T WIN THIS ONE NOTHIN’ ELSE WILL MEAN ANYTHIN’!!!
If Hillary Clinton is nominated, I’ll damned sure vote for her. I’ll accept full responsibility for that. Everyone here is old enough and concerned enough to consider the issues. Enough with the silly hexes and curses.
YES!
Biodun!!!!!
Refreshing!!!! Thank you :-)
Biodun!!!!
Geat to see you posting (now I’ll go back and read it)>
Wow, weird doin’s. I was going to submit this comment and got kicked into a wordpress install window?
Shortened version: Identity politics…we were having a Sunshine family conversation and the thought was offered that Hispanics would not vote for an African-American candidate. What think you pups?
I would propose that one framework is discussion of specific issues and policies of the candidates. Take their positions and proposals and strip away the names and replace with A, B, and C.
Then for each issue rank A, B, and C…. then decide who to vote for, then put the names back on.
Of course this sort of blind study and unbiased info is impossible to obtain. Also side-stepping what should not matter is perhaps not a good idea. I think that general sort of framework would be nice to have. Lastly I have pointed out that perhaps all other things being equal (or close to it) perhaps taking one issue such as race and/or gender and trying to break a glass ceiling is important – I do not think this is correct though (for example the white Hitler was not so good for anyone in Germany in the end as you were dead in a trench or being hanged or closing your eyes every night to nightmares for the rest of your life, even some of the rich folk were pinched).
What’s a person to do when issues are not discussed in the media leaving only personality and looks (including groupings like gender and race). The media is going to win this one bigtime since 2000 and 2004 was mostly about lies and 2008 is going to be mostly about nothing.
“The political system is being eroded of content” – NC
Terrific post, thank you.
History is liberating and including a graph about the tensions between Douglass and Anthony is really, really helpful.
OT, my perception is that women of color perceive sexism as the primary hurdle they face. They perceive racism, while still very lethal, as secondary.
OfT, but afaik, Douglass’ point was that if the freed male slaves did not receive the vote, they would face the full economic and social onslaught of legalized white supremacy. IMHO, Douglass’ concerns were confirmed by the state enacted Jim Crow laws which effectively prevented the freed male slaves from exercising their right to vote. IIRC, Douglass’ point was that European American women, who were victims of long entrenched male supremacy laws, were not subject to lynching, and that they tended to enjoy a similar standard of living as their husbands. The recently freed slaves had no such insulation. After Douglass’ death, this tension over “agitating” for the vote was carried on between, W.E.B. Dubois on one side, and Booker T. Washington, on the other.
OK today’s language lesson:
Ich bin “minnesoter”
Pardonne-moi mais je ne parle pas allemand.
I believe that is how the German goes. I know that is how it would be said in French.
Here is what the level of discourse from GE, I mean NBC, I mean MSNBC wants to “discuss” (from crooks and liars, this is not a joke):
3. John Edwards
Former North Carolina senator Last Ranking: 3
Does he really want to be the white guy, playing the white candidate?
Thanks…We seem to always be in sync in comments…
Yayyy Biodun!
Yes, Lowery did a great job of getting out the word to Dems that Hey! Remember we’re on the same side! He said what FDL pups were saying all day yesterday. Basically, let’s knock this off, we’ve got great candidates.
I was very gratified to witness someone delivering this message on air. I like to think Lewis heard him too.
I think you’re right.
OT Digby nails why I am a Democrat..
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com
Thanks…
Hi Prairie Sunshine!
MyrtleJune and Woodhall Hollow:
Hi there you both…
Seen Lewis and his HRC support on two shows thus far including that one and he is off the wall in attack mode. Seems like he is waiting for his plumb if HRC gets in. Then with so many having been on the hill so long it seems like lots of insiders are waiting for their plumbs.
Biodun – what do you think of the talk of “cease-fire” between Obama and Clinton – I’m thinking that both candidates have come to the hard realization that they’re both getting hurt by this, and are truly desirous of leaving all of this in the dust and move on. (at least in the sense of sniping at each other).
It also seems to me that both would benefit from honest and open discussions, if and when they arise, and be able to do so in a productive manner. I think (or maybe just hope) that this has set in, and that the diversity of the candidates from this point forward may be celebrated, rather than bickered about.
What say you?
mea culpe! A close friend gave me that definition. And, kings, well everyone is in one way or another (*g*).
He qualified it sufficiently. He also mentioned Rosa Parks. I think his point was that Black Power and Black Panther movements tended to be pretty heavily influenced by sexism.
A friend/colleague -black gay female – says at our institution that the hardest factor is that of descrimination against women.
Here, a feminist academic and activist says why she’s supporting Edwards and not Hillary:
Should not feel good about any in the lot at any time, but sadly we are reduced to what they are saying now (as they are all flip-floppers or whatever you want to label it) – sadly Edwards is the only one saying any of the things close to what need to be done (and sure as hell nobody is going to do it if they can’t even talk about it, there is no secret plan to be for the little guy). In addition Edwards is leading the policy topics on everything that the other candidates finally come to if at all. For example his Econ stimulus package from 1 – 2 months ago that Clinton and Obama just got around to.
I think given our deplorable media, and the fact that both Hillary and Obama both seem to want to have it both ways–they use their race and gender as weapons, and as pluses when convenient and helpful, but otherwise protest when the other does so, and also protest when the media takes them at their words about being “the first ____” and being “trailblazers” etc, we’re sunk. There’s nothing elevated about either how those 2 use their own and the others’ identities, nor how their indentities are presented to the rest of us.
We’ll seewhat happens tonight. Yes they’ve declared a truce but their surrogates are still sniping. I really suspect this race-gender thing will be an undercurrent for the rest of the campaign, even into general. I hope I’m wrong. Unless both Obama and Hillary are absent at that point. Unlikely.
Thanks. Quite informative indeed.
Pardonnez-moi. OK, the tu form.. Never mind *G*
I only tend towards Edwards because, as you say, “Edwards is the only one saying any of the things close to what need to be done.”
John Lewis went for the most part pretty much off, not bombastic – but clearly political fight mode (I was there, I have been around and knew MLK, I know what Clinton will bring, Obama should not do this, etc) – in any case was a stark contrast to the quite spoken logic from (I believe) the Reverand on the opposite side.
What a great post. I am so glad that you touched on the heartbreaking break between Susan B and Douglass…as it exemplifies a critical danger facing the Democatic Party this election season.
I too am an Edwards supporter (which is painful because I would so like to see either an African-American or a woman in the WH), but that said, it is critically important that a Dem moves into the WH in 2009. Any of them will be light-years ahead of any of the Republicans. And it would be tragic, if race-gender war blocked what should be an easy Dem victory.
On another note: I watched the Bill Moyers/Shelby Steele interview and also heard Steele interviewed in WNYC, and am curious about your thoughts about his perspective (perhaps worth another post, hint, hint)!
Here’s a great short essay by LindaR that I put up on my blog
I hear you, its pretty tenous when all we can do is put stock in some big time politicians words…but the media has forsaken us and there is so much crap coming out of the megaphone its impossible to even know where the truth might be.
Hi Biodun. Great post. What you said about the feminist movement eliding the civil rights movement and vise versa during the 60’s? It also happened a lot during the 1840’s -50’s during the Abolotionist Movement.
Yes, controlled anger and letting a bit out (directed) as politicians will do. Much better way you pinned it down than how I tried to describe it. (on Lewis)
Great post, Biodun. Very well presented, and it’s exceedingly necessary to make these points at this time.
cancercures and Pach:
Thanks. Ah yes, the Abolitionist Movement…
Biodun! I just got here from work, so late, and I haven’t had time to read the comments.
But, it is great to see this thoughtful and well-crafted front page post from you. Thank you!
Hey John!
Yes, I thought that you and punaise were sufficiently friends for tutoiement.
And, John Lewis is my congressman. Really among the best. Tho I was not happy with his support of Lieberman in the CT primary. (just had time to skim the comments)
So, Biodun, I’d be very interested to hear your comments about the interview people above are linking.
ohhhh myyy – nice post and thought-provoking…. delurking just to give congrats to biodun….. just think a commenter can grow up to become a front-pager! who knew lol
Amen. (Though I would have preferred to have been able to vote for Chris Dodd.)
And thanks, Biodun! Great post.
Og Brandhundsoeender, Jeg er ogsaa fra Minnesota. (Brandhunds
/oender would be Firedoglakers’ in Danish)I think we are missing very important points here. First off, I don’t think Edwards is a viable candidate — no matter how many bloggers here love him. For all practical purposes, he is out of money just at the point the campaign goes to TV in big states such as NY and CA, and depends on ability to hit three states per day, Airport to Airport. Just reality and some Ice Water. Second, Thus this to do between Obama and Clinton camps needs resolution without screwing up Democrats chances in the General. Our overriding interest is not to fracture the Democratic Base before we even begin to get close to next November.
A critique of our society and culture that operates on principles of inclusion and exclusion based on race, gender and class would help.
So late to this party- just came home to change for an early dinner meeting. Wonderful post up top, Biodun, on this very important topic, & to drag out some of my always rusty Quebec patois (sans accents): Felicitations a votre debut comme ecrivain de premiere page d’FDL. Vraiment, que c’est merveilleux…
Digby updated that to link back to this post saying Biodun’s is the smartest she’s read about this topic. Kudos Biodun!
Biodun!
Good to see you up top. Congratulations! Regarding Steinem’s Op Ed, did you see Democracy Now last night? Amy had on Gloria, and a very articulate Black woman (university professor) was deconstructing Gloria’s Op Ed.It was interesting for me, because I am not well educated on identity politics.
Where do you think this is headed in Obama vs. Clinton? It seems like the dynamics of electioneering in recent years will favor wedge politics against consensus-building.
Bob in HI
Biodun!
Sorry to be late, I was in DC and discovered too late I didn’t have my wireless chip with me.
Amazing post. Thank you so much for being an intelligent and mature voice in this discussion, and bringing much-needed historical perspective to it.
You rock.
Thanks for the h/t about Benson. My sister is married to a Tlingit man, so I’ll have to ask him about her.
Are you sure about there never being a NA woman in Congress? I admit that I can’t quickly think of an example, although I’m thinking of a number who *could* be.
Bob in HI
“Biodun, our front pager, is a descendant of famous Yoruba kings.”
I was having a discussion with a Tongan woman of some status, and finally she turned to me and said, “You must have some royal blood, because you ask such interesting questions!” She was teasing me, but I think it fits Biodun (dang, I’m going to have to erase “Buy-oh-done” from my mind, and learn the correct pronunciation!). And by the same token, I count Christy, emptywheel, Jane and other FDL top-posters as truly royal, for asking all the right questions!
Bob in HI
Identity politics should not be discarded.
They should be examined and the things which connect across identity should be welded to policy and become platforms of progressive advance.
The best example to think of was from the CSpan 2 replay of the Carter foundation’s discussion with a former soviet dissident, Amnesty International, President Jimmy Carter and Amb.Andrew Young.
“Human rights are civil rights.”
That is but one example. Within the movement to bring down the Iron Curtain came workers rights and labor as a major mover, plus traditional religion and even its plurality, nationalism along with ethnic and gender identity also found louder voices, plus demands from leadership that other sides of the table meet the standards their counterparts emerged. Each we must try and advance before real change can occur.
The obligation to protect civil rights is a fundamental tenet of government charter, and the premise of all civil rights are based upon the foundation of human rights. That is the first pillar of any just government.
Advance the most broad proposals first, as precedence.
In today’s identity politics there are many items that must be addressed, find the most agreed on items as a starting point, expand these liberties and help establish precedence so other key points can be protected by law in their statement of record.
At this time the rollback of human rights is the first stepping point abroad. At home, the “pursuit of happiness” should again contain opportunity and incentive for individuals. Unless we recognize human rights(an end to gitmo) we cannot begin to be considered leaders on civil rights. Without this expressed liberty, no true realization of rights can occur in other fields of identity.
Individuals can have their identity politics actualized only when we respect fully the measure of human rights. It is a tenet, the starting point.
“I even had trouble keeping track of which candidate Lowery was for because he was being such a peacemaker. here’s a link to the transcript. Lewis had a tone of controlled anger and Lowery was conciliatory and open. it was interesting to observe.”
Someone recently was assessing Obama vs. other Black leaders (wish I could remember who), and he said there were essentially two types: Conciliators, and confronters (don’t know if I got the labels right.) He noted that previous Black leaders tend to be confronters (MLK, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton), while Obama comes as a conciliator.
Anyone remember who I’m trying to summarize? Please improve on my memory.
Bob in HI
Great post, Biodun!
Margaret Fuller was the first American Feminist, but her untimely death in 1850 and sanitized biography by Emerson diminished her influence.
Margaret Fuller bio
Margaret Fuller wiki
This post rocks. Very nice work, Biodun.
And just for the record
what digby said:
If you poke an animal with a stick and it begins growling and looking fierce you might make points by pointing it out to other people, saying “See the animal isn’t docile at all, it’s wild and dangerous.” But, if anyone saw you poking the animal in the first place it shouldn’t surprise you if everybody thinks you’re the idiot.
Amen!
After this, can’t you just imagine either of them leading the world discussion on climate warming or nuclear non-proliferation or international economic system changes?
Leadership isn’t image or oratory.
Maybe for you, but for me the overriding interest is in getting the best nominee to become president.
Besides, Edwards has the best haircut, and on t.v. that’s what’s really really important! /snark
Douglass was still heartbreakingly wrong, however. Giving women the right to vote would have eventually meant black women voting, and this would have hurt the position of black men as heads of households. Because Douglass and his compatriots couldn’t relinquish their own privilege, they put the interests of black men over the interests of women and therefore, over black people collectively — a pattern repeated by the civil rights movement in the 60s. Getting black men the right to vote was moral, serious. Getting women the right to vote, now, that was dangerous to the social order.
At that time, absent extraordinary circumstances women were legally barred from owning property. Everything belonged to their husbands or fathers, and if they had neither, they were poor. They were barred from higher education and professions. Husbands could legally beat and rape their wives, and they owned their labor. Husbands even owned their children — upon divorce, if the husband didn’t want the wife to ever see her children again, there was no such thing as visitation. White women as a group had a higher standard of living because whites as a group had a higher standard of living, but none of it belonged to them and all of it could be taken away by divorce or untimely death. This is why writers of the time considered the position of white women to be little better than that of slaves.