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	<title>Comments on: Health Insurance:  It&#8217;s Always Something, Isn&#8217;t It?</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1205144</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A single-payer system appeals to lots of people. There are several problems: one is the political opposition, another is difficulty and cost of changing ways, another is effects to the economy because of the effects on the insurance and health care companies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not clear to me that preferring a government-run system over a private system makes any sense whatsoever. After all, isn’t the basis of our Constitutional Republic that we are free and that government is NOT to run our lives? The Edwards plan leaves private insurance in place. He says, they’re free to do this as this is America, not the Soviet Union. Second, he says, we’re going to create competition in the insurance industry by offering alternatives through a government program. That is a typical way to use government to patch over problems which the free market system don’t handle well. Third, he says, we’re going to assist those who can’t help themselves. That’s the Democratic way to ensure everyone is lifted up in America — not just the wealthy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know a lot of the details, but I sure do like the basis for this plan (and Clinton’s).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A law requiring doctors decide what is in the best interest of their patients and not insurance companies just has to be a winner. Edwards wants that too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A single-payer system appeals to lots of people. There are several problems: one is the political opposition, another is difficulty and cost of changing ways, another is effects to the economy because of the effects on the insurance and health care companies.</p>
<p>It’s not clear to me that preferring a government-run system over a private system makes any sense whatsoever. After all, isn’t the basis of our Constitutional Republic that we are free and that government is NOT to run our lives? The Edwards plan leaves private insurance in place. He says, they’re free to do this as this is America, not the Soviet Union. Second, he says, we’re going to create competition in the insurance industry by offering alternatives through a government program. That is a typical way to use government to patch over problems which the free market system don’t handle well. Third, he says, we’re going to assist those who can’t help themselves. That’s the Democratic way to ensure everyone is lifted up in America — not just the wealthy.</p>
<p>I don’t know a lot of the details, but I sure do like the basis for this plan (and Clinton’s).</p>
<p>A law requiring doctors decide what is in the best interest of their patients and not insurance companies just has to be a winner. Edwards wants that too.</p>
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		<title>By: sagewater2</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagewater2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And yet another reason to support Edwards — we need serious campaign finance and lobbying reform for things to change. As long as our representatives are taking their money, the rest of our votes are greatly diluted, when they count at all. Where’s the democracy in this scenario? Edwards is the only top tier presidential candidate who refuses to get in bed with  corporate interests because he recognizes as the others seem not to, or don’t care, that once you take their money, they own you. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not usually an “us vs. them” kind of thinker, but enough is enough. “They’ve” had every opportunity to reform the system to make it work for everyone and this is where we’ve ended up. I’m paying almost $10,000/year in health insurance premiums as a self-employed individual who got kicked over to my state’s risk pool mostly because I have asthma and polycystic ovarian syndrome, both of which are under control. Granted, this is a huge financial burden that I can ill afford but I find a way to pony up because I can’t justify the risk that I’d end up burdening my family. But my situation is not anywhere close to deserving of sympathy (at least not yet) as the millions who either can’t get insurance or can’t pay for it or who do pay for it and end up fighting for every nickel of coverage every step of the way. I know several people in each of these categories. This situation is beyond reprehensible and those who are to blame for it, including those who have the power to fix it and do nothing while paying only a couple of hundred a month for their own first-rate coverage, deserve a front-row seat on the karma train.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet another reason to support Edwards — we need serious campaign finance and lobbying reform for things to change. As long as our representatives are taking their money, the rest of our votes are greatly diluted, when they count at all. Where’s the democracy in this scenario? Edwards is the only top tier presidential candidate who refuses to get in bed with  corporate interests because he recognizes as the others seem not to, or don’t care, that once you take their money, they own you. </p>
<p>I am not usually an “us vs. them” kind of thinker, but enough is enough. “They’ve” had every opportunity to reform the system to make it work for everyone and this is where we’ve ended up. I’m paying almost $10,000/year in health insurance premiums as a self-employed individual who got kicked over to my state’s risk pool mostly because I have asthma and polycystic ovarian syndrome, both of which are under control. Granted, this is a huge financial burden that I can ill afford but I find a way to pony up because I can’t justify the risk that I’d end up burdening my family. But my situation is not anywhere close to deserving of sympathy (at least not yet) as the millions who either can’t get insurance or can’t pay for it or who do pay for it and end up fighting for every nickel of coverage every step of the way. I know several people in each of these categories. This situation is beyond reprehensible and those who are to blame for it, including those who have the power to fix it and do nothing while paying only a couple of hundred a month for their own first-rate coverage, deserve a front-row seat on the karma train.</p>
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		<title>By: amghru</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204884</link>
		<dc:creator>amghru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You mention the one big forgotten aspect of fighting the insurance companies just to get them to pay legitimate claims. They give you a two year run around and in the mean time turn you into collections for nonpayment. It happened to me this year. The never mentioned fact in all of this, health care bills are now the number one cause of bankruptcy in America. No one in any of the other 20 top industrial countries goes bankrupt due to medical bills because they all have universal health care.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention the one big forgotten aspect of fighting the insurance companies just to get them to pay legitimate claims. They give you a two year run around and in the mean time turn you into collections for nonpayment. It happened to me this year. The never mentioned fact in all of this, health care bills are now the number one cause of bankruptcy in America. No one in any of the other 20 top industrial countries goes bankrupt due to medical bills because they all have universal health care.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204875</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our Board of Supervisors closed our General Hospital that served those unable to pay. That is another way to deprive us of care…close the facilities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Board of Supervisors closed our General Hospital that served those unable to pay. That is another way to deprive us of care…close the facilities.</p>
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		<title>By: whitebeard</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204873</link>
		<dc:creator>whitebeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“So long as insurance companies are for profit enterprises, their goal will not be the best health care possible.  It will be this — not paying claims.  That is the truth of it, because that is how they profit.  For real change, we need better, smarter folks elected to represent OUR interests, not just the biggest contingent of lobbyists and campaign cash.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There seems to be a giant leap of faith here or the usual indirection of the American corporate system. “Better, smarter folks elected”? We need a single payor system where that single payor does not profit from denying healthcare to those in need. We need Medicare for all; Medicare that is carefully supervised to protect against waste, fraud and abuse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sometimes, you just want to throw up your hands and laugh at the absurdity…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except for most people this isn’t funny…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“So long as insurance companies are for profit enterprises, their goal will not be the best health care possible.  It will be this — not paying claims.  That is the truth of it, because that is how they profit.  For real change, we need better, smarter folks elected to represent OUR interests, not just the biggest contingent of lobbyists and campaign cash.”</p>
<p>There seems to be a giant leap of faith here or the usual indirection of the American corporate system. “Better, smarter folks elected”? We need a single payor system where that single payor does not profit from denying healthcare to those in need. We need Medicare for all; Medicare that is carefully supervised to protect against waste, fraud and abuse.</p>
<p>“Sometimes, you just want to throw up your hands and laugh at the absurdity…”</p>
<p>Except for most people this isn’t funny…</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204866</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a marvelous idea NP insurance companies still gives the medical work force their career benefits and job security and makes it an attractive career choice.&lt;br /&gt;
I learned how little I know about the medical industry, even thoughI studied medicine for a year. I believe in prevention first especialy to all the young. Everyone must have medical care. Thank you for a very informative thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a marvelous idea NP insurance companies still gives the medical work force their career benefits and job security and makes it an attractive career choice.<br />
I learned how little I know about the medical industry, even thoughI studied medicine for a year. I believe in prevention first especialy to all the young. Everyone must have medical care. Thank you for a very informative thread.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204852</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Prairie;&lt;br /&gt;
Now that you mention it. I monthly pledge is a good idea. It worked when I was funding a public lawsuit for $100,000.00. The lawyer got every dime and we did owe nothing (proud of that).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prairie;<br />
Now that you mention it. I monthly pledge is a good idea. It worked when I was funding a public lawsuit for $100,000.00. The lawyer got every dime and we did owe nothing (proud of that).</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204851</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can download a form and address on his website and mail in a check or do credit card. Hve my checkbook on it. Thanks for the reminder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can download a form and address on his website and mail in a check or do credit card. Hve my checkbook on it. Thanks for the reminder.</p>
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		<title>By: bigbrother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204846</link>
		<dc:creator>bigbrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stae allows uninsured they shpild pay the dif?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stae allows uninsured they shpild pay the dif?</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/15/health-insurance-its-always-something-isnt-it/#comment-1204838</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and it should!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it should!!!!</p>
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