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Clinton taking 60% of Michigan vote.
Bowers: "Liberals and Latinos are now the swing voters that will determine the Democratic nominee."
If that’s true, as a liberal, I think a little ass-kissing is in order. I’d like to see the candidate who is brave enough to go against Rush Limbaugh’s decades of denigrating me and tell me they think being a liberal is a good thing.
Also, both Clinton and Obama are good pals with Rahm Emanuel. A hundred bucks to the first person who asks either of them, on video, what they think of Rahm’s enforcement-only immigration bill which has no path to citizenship.
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Obama!
Mine! All mine!
Edwards!
Both of them. Obama Hilary Obama Hilary
Is the Talent section of the competition after this break?
Did everyone go to the bathroom?
Edwards indeed!
Edwards……
Betcha Hill’s folks didn’t like that Obama/Edwards split-screen thing at the end of that segment.
Mittmentum!
-G
What’s the big story so far? I missed the first part.
Edwards….I still like him.
I can’t wait for the swimsuit competition.
What’s the ‘uncommitted’ #’s for the Dem tallies?
I think they all do a good job explaining an issue. Compare it to Bush.
Gaaah, my cable tee vee just went on the fritz…
35 minutes of drivel from the moderators.
Jane, I’d like to see that too. What are the chances that someone will stick their head out from under Raygun’s shadow and say that liberalism is a good thing?
Keith Olbermann, if you’re checking out the liveblog, you could probably get Brian to split the $100 with you if you slip him a note . . .
You get round the occupying troop question by having a carrier group nearby. Speak softly & carry a big stick.
They are hindered only by the moderators,
Edwards!!!! ‘Nother $100 from me on Friday!!! :D
the big story is that all 3 candidates refused to fall for the moderators’ efforts to get them to form a circular firing squad. They all said race and gender were not a part of the campaign. Made the mods look pretty ridiculous. The mods really wanted a fight. Some of the stupidest questions ever.
No, that was a close-up of Russert.
What’s the ‘uncommitted’ #’s for the Dem tallies?
Go here. But you have to refresh it yourself.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…../state/#MI
Does Hillary have two sets of eyebrows?
Clinton: GI Bill = good politics.
I wish Hillary would stop saying “Ya know.”
Ooh, that shall be interesting when Denver rolls around…
Thank goodness for small mercies…that circle firing squad would go along way to getting some one besides the Dem candidate elected.
Russert was trying so hard, too.
What kind of swimsuit?? Thongs??
somebody said it
obama is cool …he is inexperienced…Hill has not done much in her tenor
Edwards sounds like JFK to me,and looks like him too
Maybe for the next debate, FDL could loan them some of ours: “The first question is from the Lurking Mod . . . and Suzanne has a followup . . .”
;-) twolf
I thought Paula Abdul and Simon Cowell were going to be panelists too.
-G
Here, here.
-G
Thanks.
Like
Mahalo, Solai!
Don’t disrespect ROTC? Allow recruiters on campus? Is this a real issue? Come on…
This military recruiters question wouldn’t be an issue for most colleges if DADT was repealed, which I think all these candidates are in favor of. Has any made that connection yet?
No, two sides of the mouth is enough I think ;-)
Jane, I’m with you.
Should we call Hillary Hillary, or Mrs. Big Dog?
i think we should have robots
Yeah, like ya know …
I vote for that!!
No.
Another edition of simple answers . . .
Did they ask the rethugs to fire at each other? NO. First time here tonite. Might be a bad idea, said Williams. It will be a bad idea for rethugs and it won’t happen.
I’m not familiar with DADT. What is that?
Russert and WIlliams are absolutely appalling
It is quite irritating.
YEs…yes…Yes… one can hope…real questions…
Although when I had the chance all I could stammer out to John Edwards was “How do you feel about the constitution?” to which he replied “I like it!”
I was just so excited to hear/see the guy. Very inspiring…
Good for you Myrtle – I’ll match you on Friday for Edwards.
edwards, great performance, dawg!
We’ve already had recruiter in our office!! Not new. She’s behind.
Ugh.
That would be sweet… They couldn’t handle Jane or Christy’s questions…! *g*
‘course not – that would be too obvious…
“I thought Paula Abdul and Simon Cowell were going to be panelists too.”
What! You would exclude Randy?”
[just my attempt to inject race into the debate)
Oh, my god!
Sorry, not seeing the connection here myself.
edwards turned the rotc question into his take on how veterans are treated in the US
John trying too hard to fit his stump speech into the ROTC question. And, frankly, we’ve heard it already. Over and over.
I am glad they did the ROTC and VA questions. shows that the dems are not anti-soldier
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Don’t ask, don’t tell… so we don’t have any scary known gay people in the military…
ya know, I just think…….
Yeah. They are biased…I know. it is true.
Edwards is great
me too
Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
Very well put, John
but many,many,many HAVE NOT
Glad to hear that!! Good for you too :-)
Answer to question from previous thread..
TPM
Edwards has struck me as being a little repetitive.
Don’t ask — Don’t tell.
That’s the reason WHY the colleges are ticked off at ROTC, because it goes against their own anti-discrimination policies.
Sadly, as soon as ROTC was mentioned, all three seemed to have flipped to the “Guard and Reserve” page in their mental briefing book, instead of listening to the damn question and turning to the glbt/civil rights page.
GOP talking points. *sigh*
Pivot and attack, people. Pivot and attack!
Yucca Mountain. Store it at Russert’s house.
yes, after the break. Hill is doing flaming batons, John his Bogey impression, not sure about Barak.
Yeah!!! Edwards!
the reason ROTC is prevented from participating on many campuses is because they discriminate against gay people and that is against college policy… if they would drop the stupid DADT, ROTC would be perfectly welcome on campus…
About DADT, nevermind….must be drinking too much wine.
Like, ya know, I think we’ve beaten this dead horse enuf for now. *g*
They have an echo mic for Hillary that the others don’t have. Sounds like the Orwell YouTube.
C’mon it’s called “Shell Shocked”
Obama would end Yucca Mountain
Repetition never did the Rs any harm in their campaigns.
Most colleges have policies that don’t allow organization that discriminate on sexual orientation to recruit on campus. Thus no military recruiters. Once DADT is repealed and LGBT can serve in the US military, ROTC and recruiting can resume.
sue him
Obama on Yucca Mountain “misconceived project” storage of nuclear waste. Good answer!
punkin’s last question…
would the three of you now compare the size of your thighs?
HAHA!
Well, ya know….. let’s kick at it awhile then ;-)
Watching and listening to Hillary and Obama tonight has firmed up my conviction that they are for me, not presidential timber.
Got it.
I’d like to see Kitty Carlyle on the panel for the next debate:
“Do you do something with your hands?”
Clinton: I have consistently voted against Yucca Mountain. “John” supported it twice.
Edwards: I would end it. But let me change the subject…
Edwards: “I am against building more nuclear power plant”. Woo Hoo!
Repetition is not bad. Keep in mind most people do not follow these things as closely as we do. There are probably a lot of local voters watching them for the first time.
I like Edwards best in this campaign, and have since the beginning, but I think that any one of these three would make a GREAT president.
Now, that said, what happened to Dennis Kucinich?
Edwards is down with Nukes. I’m with Edwards.
Don’t know why but I flashed on the Jabberwocky just now>
“Beware the Lurking Mod and shun
The serious side of Suzanne”
64% in from MI (h/t MSNBC)
Mitt Romney 233,802 39%
John McCain 180,051 30%
Mike Huckabee 96,841 16%
Ron Paul 38,294 6%
Fred Thompson 22,241 4%
Rudy Giuliani 16,727 3%
Uncommitted 11,768 2%
Duncan Hunter 1,985 0%
Edwards gets little National time for his message. The others get much time.
Obama and Edwards don’t like the science Yucca Mountain has been based on.
Don’t they know that the Bush administration has outlawed science?
mwahaha
Is MSNBC screwing with Edwards Mic? Sounds like a variable loudness with echo..
His same talking point gets old after a year even Hillary jumped his gun on in the beginning by calling Edwards the son of a mill worker.
So, when are some of these pasty faced old farts going to bail?
Well, to give Rudy his due, he did defeat Duncan Hunter…
hahahahahahaahahaa
Well, ya know john….. you voted for it twice…..
John Edwards: Yes, and new information and lies and forged documents have come to light since then …… ya know! Keep up will ya…..
:D Great job!
Edwards is also against new coal plants. I saw him in New Orleans at an anti – new coal plant rally.
Yes they are trying to get a new coal plant built her in my back yard. Not enough toxic waste from Katrina…we got to put some coal crap in the air too.
Russert loves him some Nukes, cuz Cheney loves nukes. Russert is Cheney’s media gordo numero uno.
Yes.
Trying to Dean scream him?
Quit talkin about me like that. :(
Ho Ho. Where was Duncan Hunter on 9/11?
What is 9-11 plus 9-11 plus 9-11?
Hillary’s talking about special interests. Imagine that.
Yep. ;0)
I’m not understanding… Obama voted for Cheney’s energy bill and Hillary against? (I couldn’t tell from Obama’s answer)
why has Hill just started fighting Cheney TONIGHT??????
Dick Cheney controls Tim Russert.
Wonder where Jindal stands on that idea?
But only 1% above uncommitted !!!!
Good to hear. That’s why Edwards has been blacked out by the MSM.
Clinton wants windfall profits taxes for energy companies…
27-33? or was i supposed to carry something?
What a scream. ;0)
Someone needs to ask the sitting Senators on stage what steps they plan to take THIS YEAR to save our country, its constitution, and the planet.
yeah starting to fight now is completely lame. This safe strategy is basicly lame. Very very lame.
Clinton makes the 2005 energy bill Cheney’s bill. Good move for her since she voted against it and Obama for it.
27-33?
Hillary just said Cheney wrote the energy bill. I like that. She has no problem throwing rocks at the Administration.
She’s taken on the Fourth Branch in previous debates.
After a judge had ruled earlier that he could participate, NBC appealed and the Nevada Supreme Court ruled they (NBC) could keep him out.
that seems right…
Tim hearts Nukes
Reality check. Pompous git. Stop driving Hummers, you selfish upper-class prick.
zinger from Edwards on the energy industry’s contributions to Hillary
The candidates are beginning to attack each other, but in a very genteel, non-personal fashion. Questioning each other’s votes in the Senate.
Oooh. Edwards says Clinton raised the most money of any candidate from the oil and gas industry. Direct hit!
A: Rudy does not add up.
good – Edwards going after the coal fired plants…
Edwards: “We’re already the worst polluter on the planet. We need to lead by example.”
Oh Edwards just answered my question….why she just started fighting Cheney….Energy is her BIGGEST supporter
Clinton: I have a comprehensive energy plan.
every single debate I follow, I read progressives’ comment about how positive they feel about Edwards’ performances. I just can’t understand why there is so little support for Edwards on the net/progressive radio to the point that I heard arguments that he should pull out now!
first time on FDL debate thread and surprised to see such support for Edwards.
what’s the deal?
also why don’t they ever ask the fricking repub candidates these SAME EXACT QUESTIONS they are asking the dems
this is better… and as it should be…
Tim says more nukes are needed as the church continues to tell the poor to multiply (which is awesome!). No birth control for anybody!- ever. Russert is brilliant!
Edwards: “We need a moratorium of new coal fired plants.” Woo Hoo + Woo Hoo!
Bastards!
Oh yes. Senator Clinton is real green.
This is a pretty classy debate so far by the candidates. More and Better!
My guess is he would be for it. He is a Bush lackey. He is bought by special interests. His big campaign platform was ethics reform. The one thing he is not planning to reform is a loophole in LA campaign finance laws which allow people with multiple LLCs to donate for each and every LLC that they have.
The Jindal faction wants reform and I am sure much of it is a very good idea but the one thing they benefit from is that company loophole. As far as I am aware they are not addressing it.
My guess is it would not be a problem for Jindal, particularly if it “created jobs” in Louisiana.
Edwards on the environment…yeah…no more coal plants…
All the candidates are for a better energy policy.
Check.
Next topic?
And Hillary loves big pharma too.
Nobody ever asks Democrats how high the wall on the Mexican border should be or how many buses we’re gonna need to get rid of all those pesky brown people…. Democrats only get hard, grown-up questions.
Is this fair?
Against nuclear and against coal.
That leaves hydro, solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, biofuel, …
Does the US have the option to do without further nuclear and coal?
Ban gas powered leaf blowers, ATB’s, snowmobiles, & jet-ski’s.
Rudy might have done better if he’d run on courduroy day: 1/11, 1/11, 1/11 …
Next: English as official language. Sheesh.
Many of the folks in these parts do like our Edwards.
Immigration.
“This is where I want to summon the country”……. whaaaaaaat?
Here’s where you listen to the country who had been trying to get your attention for years! Summon this!
They act like they are at a dinner party somewhere and are finally getting a little tired of being polite to each other.
Probably not.
Russert back on race…
oh good grief. “support black candidates”
English Only? Is this the kind of bullshit they have been asking?
Jeez Mareze!
Aye, that’s the rub.
Oh, shut up, Timmeh.
I have some thoughts about why this is at my own blog. Click my username if you are interested.
Could Bush be impeached on the grounds he doesn’t speak the language?
Clinton: I likes me some blacks and browns!
DON’T FALL INTO THE IMIGRATION FRAME UP!
This is a republican base motivator
Timmeh – “Senator Clinton, I haven’t been able to get under your skin all night, and it’s *really pissing me off. Would you please fuck up an answer in which I conflate blacks and Hispanics? Please?”
Nah, but we can try….we don’t have to encourage the worst of the worst. I think if any Dem gets in we will be funding and encouraging all the engineers and inventors to get us off of all the bad stuff.
Russert brings back black vs. latino. Russert sucks.
It was becoming too informational for Tim. Back to bullshit questions.
isn’t there a war going on?
Obama: me too!
They don’t love her so much..she voted against part D twice…porr return on their $$$
Seriously, does anyone under 40 give a rats ass about race, gender, or sexuality?
I agree.
Yea, I agree. Listening to his ethics rant today just reminded me how much of his campaign money came from out of state. I think he’d plop a coal plant smack in the middle of the Garden District if he could.
MSM hasn’t talked about edwards much because
they (megacorps) will take a big hit if he wins.
Because the interrogators are GOPs
now, there a thought!
Welcome.
They can’t ask the repubs questions that would completely show their stupidity. Wouldn’t be “fair”.
Tim Russert is a racist! (pass it on)
We have lots of brown people in our family. And we all work hard and pay taxes.
Please, please ask about FISA or restoring integrity to DOJ!
HA! So true…
Could we pleeeeeeease have just one teeny question on the fucking Constitution and the rule of law, Tim?
Why such a high drop-out rate among blacks. Question to Sen Obama
No doubt my friend. Watch for the ethics reform to exclude the loophole I mentioned. If you are not already on the Google LA dems group let me know. They are getting fired up. It is kind of exciting as I commented to Christy this am.
Natalie Morales – “Senator Clinton – did you know that carbohydrates make you fat? And a follow-up: Do you know where I am? Is it anywhere near the little girls’ Dressy Clothes section”? I’m hungry – anybody got a tic-tac?”
I was about to ask if the constitution was mentioned.
You mean English? Bush speaks bumbling uneducated dumbass. Does that count? What about a beer?
cheney told them not to
I would like to see Obama disavow No Child Left Behind… promise to eliminate it…
No Obama and Hillary called a truce.
So.
Next question:
If you decide to support English only legislation what would you rename Michigan, Montana, Ohio, Iowa, the Dakotas, Massachusetts, Delaware, Utah, Nebraska and Hawaii?
-G
You’re soooo 18th Century.
Yes. Edwards is the candidate they fear the most. He is challenging the status quo in a way that the other two candidates are not.
Sheesh is an understatement. It’s like a deliberate plan to only allow the candidates to talk about the stupidest shit possible.
HAHAHA!
not one word about campaign finance reform
Hillary is annoying
Speaking of blacks and latinos . . . from the MSNBC exit poll in MI, here’s the breakdown of voters in the GOP primary there:
White 96
Black 2
Hispanic / Latino 1
Asian 0
Other 1
That’s a mighty white party there.
Why such a high number of questions about race?
That they won’t ask Republicans.
And let’s not forget Oklahoma!
-G
why is this a “black/brown debate”?
Because asking he same questions of the Rs as they ask of the Ds doesn’t fit the TraMed narratives about how the Dems are always in disarray, against the military, governed only by special interests, etc.
Even though it is provable that the Rs are against the military (magnetic decals on the car don’t count), in total disarray, and totally governed by the special interests, etc; it is the job of TradMed to set the picture such as the Dems get to look like idiots even while the TradMed is being the idiots.
Or how many Thugs will you send to prison for War Crimes?
You’ve been reading Firedoglake too long!
Hillary back to the village again on education.
Just for the record …. I hate the phrase “black and brown”.
We’re getting a lot of Kumbayah on education.
They’re handling this tripe from clowns very well.
perhaps, but she is good on education…
*s*
Edwards: Some high schools are dropout factories. Need “second chance” schools which have been very effective.
It is sponsored by a Latino and an African-American group.
-G
Clinton is against “illegal guns.”
Timmeh shills for Bloomberg now? Get him outta there!
me too its annoying
Gun control.
Who scripted this horseshit, Rove?
I work in one of those schools and I disagree. Change needs to happen 8+ years BEFORE HS, not after the kids drop out.
Mainstream journalists also deeply fear an Edwards administration. It would disrupt their cocktail party circuit much more than Clinton or Obama. I have blogged on this at my place.
Gun control. How do we keep guns out of the hands of terrorists?
Hillary is brilliant.
Sponsored by African American and Hispanic organizations, as well as the NV Dems.
Is that any different from R composition anywhere else? Pre-W it used to be somewhat more diverse, but now I doubt there are very many blacks of latinos left in the R party.
How about just red blooded Americans?
Clinton is writing off the NRA vote.
Repug talking points one through infinity.
Hillary is so independent of special interests. That’s the Senator’s trump card. Right?
HRC says she’s a “political realist”. On that I will agree with you, Senator.
i want concrete plans not rhetoric
On gun control, why doesn’t one of the remnd that the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
It’s just awful.
More Republican talking points…
you had better believe in all of the Constitution!
I don’t think we will see Clinton on a “hunting” photo op
Thanks. I am going to check you out.
I agree. It would disrupt their “historic” meme about woman vs. african-american.
As to the education angle, why not get away from the idea that everyone needs an MBA? There is a huge need for skilled tradespeople. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, mechanics cannot be outsourced overseas, and those are good paying jobs. Not everyone is cut out for college.
thanks :)
cut their hands off?
You got something against the blue bloods?
I suspect the numbers are close. I just wanted to be specific as to where these came from.
Of course, the GOP still has Clarence Thomas and Alan Keyes.
she’s got ‘em on education – this format doesn’t support a long explanation… I heard her do an extended talk on educational issues (my field) and I found her to be quite impressive.
Is the state that white?
Edwards: Enormously important to protect 2nd amendment rights
But then goes on to say hunting is the one reason to own guns.
So, why is that important?
A bunch of nutcases in Idaho is not a Well Regulated Militia.
Hillary is shrewd.
Edwards touts his rural South bona fides, and then sez “you don’t need an AK47 to hunt.” He’s the one with cred on the gun issue, I think.
Gee, Hillary is against illegal guns. Who’d have ever guessed that? I am wishing for questions that don’t let these folks talk about things like the need for good parenting and good teachers, etc. I want some meat in this debate.
In Louisiana they have one Asian in the stats.
-G
TGIBT*
*Thank God It’s Break Time.
Actually I think that Hillary out huntin’ would be a great spoof photo op.
i think that is what Edwards was talking about,second chance schools,trade schools perhaps?
Pigeon rebellions.
-G
She is very good tonight.
Let’s make the right’s head explode….
HRC-SCOTUS
Don’t ya know this is the ownership society even if that means that you can never…ever pay back your student loans. You own em. Oh and you can’t get rid of student loans or taxes in bankruptcy.
I think Hillary knows her stuff on education. But Obama’s got some good ideas too.
I admire Hillary Clinton tremendously, but I do not want her to be our nominee given the advantage the GOP has in the media. Tim and his buddy Brian are gunning for her tonight — can you imagine a debate with yet another GOP on the stage, their candidate?
not even close
Too freaking funny that Ghouliani is at 3% in Michigan.
good cause what we have now,is not filling the bill
Hadn’t thought of it that way… but mayebe I just might be if they don’t want to contribute their fair share for the betterment of society..
Bill too!
I’m getting the feeling that the post-debate, post-Michigan primary spin sessions tonight may be rather dull.
Some critique of the debate questions would be nice. But the mods are their buddies.
An acknowledgment that Rudy and Fred are out of the presidential race would be nice.
The confirmation hearings would be a hoot.
Second chance schools are like GED programs with classes for 17-22+ who have dropped out of “regular” HS programs.
It is important because he is threading the needle. Don’t want to take away your right to hunt but would control assault weapons. That is fine distinction. Not to the NRA dead enders but to every day joes yeah it is a distinction.
Not really….Michigan’s delegation has been decredentialed because the State Party decided to violate the genda for the Primaries. They won’t be seated (and with 60% of the delegates going to Hillary I don’t think that they SHOULD!)
I think ther delegate counts are fewer than Obama and Edwards have proportionately gotten in other races…that’d be like an 18% split between them. But that’s likely influenced by Hillary being the only one) other than Kucinich and Richardson…to be on the ballot. I don’t understand THAT, though? Why weren’t the other candidates even listed? But to be quite explicit. These are not credentialed delegates. They can’t come to the Convention unless there is an agreement by the other tickets to allow them in. If they make a difference in the campaign that WON’T HAPPEN.
I suspect that a lot of Democrats
“Solid” Republicans: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.c…..93-t2.html
He’s planning on peaking in FLorida.
OOoooh…that is good.
for a second there I thought you said HIllary was a shrew,
my eyelids are getting sleepy
No but the R party is.
When Huckabee talks about changing the constitution to reflect God’s laws, do you think he means taking away guns.
Russert is asking loaded questions and giving the answer he wants to hear at the same time.
Cue the important sounding music!
B/C the NRA has been tremendously successful in a massive campaign to get guns in the hands of every American. Its an American tradition – keeping a machine gun around in case a neighbor shows up uninvited.
Seriously, do you suppose he will be dumped from the next debate. That’s lower than Biden and Dodd had.
Are Brian Williams ear lobes rimmed with white on your TVs too?
Don’t see much policy difference between these three- differences in tone and approach.
Hillary is by far the most practical
Obama’s all about the merit pay and supports NCLB… teacher’s compensation typically relies on education and experience…. when you go to merit pay, you go to evaluating the teacher once again on test scores…
now, who will want to teach the kids who aren’t rocket scientists? the kids who are struggling are the kids who need the very best teachers, but these kids aren’t the ones who will get you a pay raise…
I don’t like it.
Duncan hunter gets a goose egg. Too bad he dropped out, that would have been hysterical.
Here’s my prediction. Timmy’s last round of questions are going to be designed to embarass the candidates.
Lots of great FDL comments tonight. Good job!
According to the Census bureau, it’s about 82% white.
I take it he’s not in Jusitice Scalia’s ‘originalist’ camp with those belief.
-G
Question on the “fear card”
The other candidates officially withdrew their names from the MI primary when the DNC announced the penalties. I don’t think they could withdraw from FL so they all decided to NOT do any campaigning down there.
ban the word “homeland”…… this is a country.
Did she just play the 9-11 NY card?
Hillary does a 9/11, without mentioning the date.
I am not watching, but the few times I have seen him on teevee, his faced looked a really unnatural orange and he had white circles around his eyeballs.
BriBri: “Charlie Pride or Charlie Daniels?”
Well, Dead Fred got 4% – that’s fairly high “g”
Timmeh – Senator Edwards – “Are you gonna whore yourself out like every other Democrat, and give up on gun control for the NRA votes and bucks?”
now we’re going to summon the world……..
Because for an awful lot of poor folks in rural America, hunting is one of the main ways they put food on their tables. But maybe I see much more fo that living in WV, having grown up here in a hunting and fishing family, and knowing that our well-stocked freezer got us through many a winter when I was a kid and our budget was tight. And several of our neighbors through the years when someone lost a job or hit a hard patch or other folks in our family…whomever needed something extra to feed the kids, we tried to help out and were always grateful to be able to do so. For starters…
Boy, you are bold!
“it is the fact , ya know, I am a republican”
God has never said he was in favor of guns.
Is it me or does Sen. Clinton have something in the corner of her mouth?
-G
Pandering to the fear mongers…thanks Hil.
Agreed. But education funding can go to trades also. The key word is opportunity.
I don’t want Hillary Clinton for our nominee based on her vote for the Iraq War, her propensity for warhawking and her very close association with the DLC. And there are issues in relation to being the nominee that I find bothersome as well.
why was everyone laughing after the commercial break?
raise teacher pay and the smart college kids might even choose to become teachers.
Timmeh: “Who’s your favorite NASCAR driver and what number does he or she drive?”
Me either.
Viewer’s left?
Unlike the first ones.
Without watching the debate but following the thread, it appears that all of Punkinhaid’s questions have been designed to embarass the candidates.
Ghouliani’s is having a stroke right now, they are talking about 911 and he can’t whore it.
Tim McGraw
my toobz are way clogged…
shut up Hill
I don’t think teacher pay rate is a federal issue… what the fed can do is progressively forgive loans for teachers in underserved areas….
Yes they would, that is why we must begin the task of generating
down ticket wins across the nation and move on with a new super majority!
Let’s get through this cycle on message, unified and move America forward!
Let’s do it!!
Girls at the Chicken Ranch snorting lines off his earlobes?
I dunno. ?
Getting sleepy. Gonna be over at 11 East time?
As a city-country person, I have nothing against hunting & my freezer demonstrates that. There’s got to be a way of distinguishing between those guns & guns used in crimes. But as usual, the Ds haven’t figured out how to frame it.
The two attempted attacks in the UK shows me how incompetent they really are.
Jeebus, Russert is ticking me off with his constant and deliberate mischaracterization of what they are saying to try and twist it into a fight somehow.
now she’s repeating the pubbie talking point that only “they” would know what to do…… she’s one of “they”…
STill pretty pale – but I work with immigrants a fair bit, so my colour sense may be off.
I see that too….but no white around Brian’s ears.
Pumpkinface just asked a really outrageous, loaded 9/11 question of Clinton.
“You’re not saying the terrists would be quicker to test a President Obama than a President Clinton?” [he would love to hear her say yes]
Clinton: “Of course not…”
huh????????????
Yes. That is another side of what I am saying. It is important that folks can hunt for so many reasons. I personally know lots of these gun toting folks. I am probably as liberal as they come but personal experience tells me that the guns are already out there. You can’t take them back, so we may as well be as well armed as the criminals, terrorists, etc.
If the bad guys can get the guns we should be able to as well if we want them.
I do believe in waiting periods and background checks.
You underestimate Rudy.
Yeah.
-G
There have been worse women nominees in recent memory. ;-)
Hillary: “Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan.” Hillary is being deceptive. Al Qaeda in Pakistan is the Dictator Musharaff’s not-so-secret army.
I got my degree and my certification on a Title VII fellowship. 88-91. Paid for almost everything and I had to give 3 yrs to high-need schools in an ESL or bilingual position in return. 16 yrs later, I am still here!
Timmeh – “What the fuck were you doing talking to Perv? Nobody likes Perv anymore. Are you daft, man”?
Is Russert an attorney?
Perfect!
Teachers don’t teach for the money, they teach because they care and feel a calling to it>>> but dam we should pay them a lot more.. thats why we lose so many good teachers because they can’t afford to live on their current pay
Tim Russsert baiting Edwards with Bhutto. Why are you being mean to Mushariff? He’s a very nice man.
Dick Cheney is giddy running the Russert toggle-switch tonight.
-G
There’s a new thread upstairs.
Edwards: Call to Pakistani Ambassador after Bhutto’s death to make tough points about the necessity to keep on path to democracy, have genuine investigation of her death, and hold real elections.
Nahant …. pay US! (I am in the field of education though no longer a classroom teacher.)
He went to law school, but never praticed that I know of — he went to work on the Hill after law school, and then into media.
not a bad swap, eh?
You’re seriously suggesting that “subsistence hunting” is an important campaign issue? For real. That’s what justifies gun ownership? Guns prevent hillbillies from starving?
Brian Williams: “When did each of you decide you want to be president? Because that’s dreadfully important and entirely relevant to – well, both myself and my wife, with whom I have a bet on this answer.”
Someone should point out that the individual that likely saved the most Allied lives in WW2 was a young intelligence officer by the name of Alan Turing, who, along with John von Neumann, could easily be considered the father of the modern computer. Turing and his military team constructed the computers that broke the Nazi’s ENIGMA codes and allowed the Allies great advantages during the invasion of Europe…probably preventing a complete fiasco on the beaches or Normandy as Ike and others knew where the Nazis were being deployed.
Turing was gay…and in the 1950’s was arrested for private homosexual acts in his own home. His choices were two years in prison (and the consequences of being an “outed” gay at that time were horrific) or chemical castration. Turing took Satre’s existential third option. He committed suicide.
Uncommitted 2%
Hunter 0%
[80% reporting]
Excuse me?!? Did you just use the word hillbillies to describe people in my state? Have you ever been here? Do you know anyone from WV other than your inaccurate, preconceived, insulting notion that people who hunt to feed their families are uneducated hicks? Jeebus, did I miss a trip in the wayback machine to the 1970s bad television stereotypes somewhere?
And did you miss the point of my comment where I said “for starters?” Reading comprehension, it’s not just for people who don’t throw insults around like candy at the Rose Parade.
Rudy says that the new aircraft carrier George HW Bush- should be homeported in Jacksonville, Florida to produce jobs for his beloved Floridians….
Wonder if the port can handle an aircraft carrier- would be great if it could not.
Arrrrrrrrgh …… mathews!!!! UGH UGH UGH What is he talking about ?!?!?!?!
I’m out…… can.not.take.him. He’s crazy? None of that Denver stuff he just said happened!!!
A lot of people believe that DNC will give Michigan back their delegates after a winner is selected, EW among them.
The reason the other candidates weren’t listed in Michigan is that they withdrew by their choice in deference to the DNC’s sanctions of Debbie Dingle, and Levin and the people in Michigan who puashed the primary date up. Obama and Edwards also thought it would help them in Iowa and New Hampshire if the complied with the DNC and didn’t allow Michigan to get such an early primary. There they seem to miscalculate because it probably didn’t help them against Hillary in NH anyway.
Hillary chose to stay on the ballot which won’t have any significant effect except to help her get tickets to Denver or falsely claimsome meaningless victory in Michigan to try to help her in future primaries, but Michigan probably won’t. NV and SC will of course be important.
Take your Hillbilly insults elsewhere!
I spend time on 50 beautiful acres in Gilmer Co.
Love it!
I’m sure CHS is suggesting that. I think she said that very clearly, and I for one agree with her.
BTW how many shots does it take to bring a freezer down nowadays?
I’ll say. It symbolizes how poorly Homeland Security and Chertoff have performed, and how their main priority has been on policies that take your liberty away and don’t protect you any better.
“Homeland” belongs where I first saw it, in Henrich Ibsen plays I had to read in grade school.
MrWhy — Having worked with a lot of impoverished folks in my legal practice, both doing criminal and abuse and neglect representation in private practice and then on the other side of things as a prosecutor, for some folks on the edge, it can be the difference between eating and going to bed starving. As can having a garden and canning the produce therefrom.
There are people who live hand to mouth far more than most folks in America realize. It is a quiet problem precisely because a whole host of people are too embarassed to admit how close to the edge they are really living. And, having worked so much with the children in these families, and seeing what malnutrition and other problems can do to those kids, yes, it can be very important for some folks. Very much so.
And it isn’t just in WV. It’s all over Appalachia, the Great Plains and the Rockies. Starvation in rural areas among the poor who have little to no job or education opportunities, and whose families are in a cycle of poverty is a huge problem…and one that gets far too little attention because they aren’t the folks who can afford to hire the likes of Jack Abramoff.
You go Christy, some people will never learn!
I lived Maine for five years and met quite a few who lived close to the edge and if they couldn’t hunt & fish they would go over the edge. By they were fine people and I made many friends with them.. Some just don’t understand being spoon fed all their lives!! You tell her Christy!
Oh, and put the nuclear waste where?
Is that a new position for him? Is he trying to be creative since the nuclear issue came up in NH and is apropo for NV?
Sounds good. How is she gonna prevent them from passing the added cost (of lost profits) on to their customers?
We have to try. And, we have to develop clean technologies, regardless of what energy source.
Hillary and Shooter take a trip?
I don’t think anybody here is dense. It’s just like the media blackout on Kucinich or Edwards. If you don’t see it you can’t believe it still exists in this modern world.
But, when someone like Christy tells you it’s true you should listen and believe it.