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	<title>Comments on: The First Monday Series:  A Chat With Nan Aron of AFJ</title>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1203203</link>
		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I appreciate that Nan Aron spent time here, and the great work she and her organization do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reviews of judge candidates by ALJ are helpful, but it’s difficult to put those reviews into any venue &lt;em&gt;where we can apply &lt;/em&gt;them after we read them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the problems is that despite efforts of many worthwhile groups like ALJ, letters to the editor, etc. judges are confirmed because of horse trading deals by members of SJC or Harry Reid and SJC, with the White House and Mitch McConnell, so that these efforts are for nought.  That’s how many of the currently approved far right wing extreme judicial candidates (240 to date that Bush has nominated for the trial and appellate bench were approved). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It leaves little that we are able to do. And of course many of these judges have been reported out of SJC, not by a 10-9 Republican Majority but by a 10-9 Democratic majority in the 110th Congress.  I don’t see this changing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another typical problem is that currently many Immigration judges were veted by one Monica Goodling, and the requirements for the job were to “be a good Bushie.”  Prior experience litigating in Immigration court was not one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of the federal judges that are not nominated from the US attorneys office, with prior litigation expereience as AUSAs, including many on Circuit Courts of Appeals, many of them have never litigated a civil or criminal case in a federal court room.  This is obviously a disadvantage as to their competency level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brett Cavanaugh and Janice Rodgers Brown, currently judges on the D.C. Circuit, are two shining examples and they received very poor reviews from Ms. Aron’s organization.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that Nan Aron spent time here, and the great work she and her organization do.</p>
<p>The reviews of judge candidates by ALJ are helpful, but it’s difficult to put those reviews into any venue <em>where we can apply </em>them after we read them.</p>
<p>One of the problems is that despite efforts of many worthwhile groups like ALJ, letters to the editor, etc. judges are confirmed because of horse trading deals by members of SJC or Harry Reid and SJC, with the White House and Mitch McConnell, so that these efforts are for nought.  That’s how many of the currently approved far right wing extreme judicial candidates (240 to date that Bush has nominated for the trial and appellate bench were approved). </p>
<p>It leaves little that we are able to do. And of course many of these judges have been reported out of SJC, not by a 10-9 Republican Majority but by a 10-9 Democratic majority in the 110th Congress.  I don’t see this changing.</p>
<p>Another typical problem is that currently many Immigration judges were veted by one Monica Goodling, and the requirements for the job were to “be a good Bushie.”  Prior experience litigating in Immigration court was not one.</p>
<p>Of the federal judges that are not nominated from the US attorneys office, with prior litigation expereience as AUSAs, including many on Circuit Courts of Appeals, many of them have never litigated a civil or criminal case in a federal court room.  This is obviously a disadvantage as to their competency level.</p>
<p>Brett Cavanaugh and Janice Rodgers Brown, currently judges on the D.C. Circuit, are two shining examples and they received very poor reviews from Ms. Aron’s organization.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am curious if you, Nan, have any sense of the conservative judges giving deference to strong executive if that executive is not a conservative.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My sense is that that deference would be toward the conservative and apparently the strong executive is precedent we now have.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious if you, Nan, have any sense of the conservative judges giving deference to strong executive if that executive is not a conservative.</p>
<p>My sense is that that deference would be toward the conservative and apparently the strong executive is precedent we now have.</p>
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		<title>By: musicsleuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>musicsleuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s what made me think of it. There is a highly organized, well funded opposition to reproductive rights and privacy that I don’t think is equaled on the other side. Given their end game, it easily could be — not that I’m convinced NARAL or even Planned Parenthood will pick up the slack. This war on ‘life’ is being waged largely at the state level and by forces that can pivot from contraception to frozen embryos to end of life decisions on a dime. It’s like we need a ‘butt out of my life’ group to counter it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s what made me think of it. There is a highly organized, well funded opposition to reproductive rights and privacy that I don’t think is equaled on the other side. Given their end game, it easily could be — not that I’m convinced NARAL or even Planned Parenthood will pick up the slack. This war on ‘life’ is being waged largely at the state level and by forces that can pivot from contraception to frozen embryos to end of life decisions on a dime. It’s like we need a ‘butt out of my life’ group to counter it.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1203026</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Nan and Christy, as well;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is my fear that the citizenry (at least here in Penn’s Woods) have but little concern about the ‘quality’ of their local judges (excepting minorities)and , for the most part, the public is blithely and quite happily ignorant concerning what is going on; and not much inclined to become interested.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whom do I fault? The various media, politicians in general ( as judges are elected here, they are also ‘politicians’) and our failing educational system (from Kindergarten to advanced degree).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish I could be more encouraging regarding this issue, it has been a concern of mine for years, but I suspect that ‘consequence’ has not,as yet, reached a magnitude sufficient to impact enough people.  At that critical juncture, we run the risk of it being ‘too late’ for many.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until Americans have understood, at the individual, personal level, the need for widespread, ongoing civic involvement (beyond the volunteer fire company and the PTO), we shall make little progress in this critical area of democracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nan and Christy, as well;</p>
<p>It is my fear that the citizenry (at least here in Penn’s Woods) have but little concern about the ‘quality’ of their local judges (excepting minorities)and , for the most part, the public is blithely and quite happily ignorant concerning what is going on; and not much inclined to become interested.</p>
<p>Whom do I fault? The various media, politicians in general ( as judges are elected here, they are also ‘politicians’) and our failing educational system (from Kindergarten to advanced degree).</p>
<p>I wish I could be more encouraging regarding this issue, it has been a concern of mine for years, but I suspect that ‘consequence’ has not,as yet, reached a magnitude sufficient to impact enough people.  At that critical juncture, we run the risk of it being ‘too late’ for many.</p>
<p>Until Americans have understood, at the individual, personal level, the need for widespread, ongoing civic involvement (beyond the volunteer fire company and the PTO), we shall make little progress in this critical area of democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1203006</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In the movie linked above, they talk about reproductive rights issues and privacy briefly.  (Lots of ground to cover, which is why this really is an introductory film on a lot of issues.)  The most telling point in it is the Santorum interview wherein he says he would overturn Griswold v. CT (the case which was pivitol in allowing contraception).  If anyone thinks this is not a wholesale assault on any number of fronts at once, they really are not paying attention.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a reason that pharmacists all over the country have started refusing to dispense contraception to customers on personal belief grounds, refusing to give them back their prescription forms and then refusing to tell them where they could go to receive contraception — even when it is medically necessary to prevent a pregnancy that could kill the person with the prescription.  This is not happenstance…not by a long shot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie linked above, they talk about reproductive rights issues and privacy briefly.  (Lots of ground to cover, which is why this really is an introductory film on a lot of issues.)  The most telling point in it is the Santorum interview wherein he says he would overturn Griswold v. CT (the case which was pivitol in allowing contraception).  If anyone thinks this is not a wholesale assault on any number of fronts at once, they really are not paying attention.  </p>
<p>There is a reason that pharmacists all over the country have started refusing to dispense contraception to customers on personal belief grounds, refusing to give them back their prescription forms and then refusing to tell them where they could go to receive contraception — even when it is medically necessary to prevent a pregnancy that could kill the person with the prescription.  This is not happenstance…not by a long shot.</p>
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		<title>By: musicsleuth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1203002</link>
		<dc:creator>musicsleuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about reproductive rights? I discovered recently that our state now defines a ‘fetus’ as ‘from the point of conception’ — making frozen embryos subject to ‘fetal experimentation’ laws. I’m less interested in the Roe v Wade stuff as the many ways laws are being chipped away by states and what we need to know to get some of these discussions out in the open before they become law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about reproductive rights? I discovered recently that our state now defines a ‘fetus’ as ‘from the point of conception’ — making frozen embryos subject to ‘fetal experimentation’ laws. I’m less interested in the Roe v Wade stuff as the many ways laws are being chipped away by states and what we need to know to get some of these discussions out in the open before they become law.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1202999</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nan — thank you so much for being here today and answering so many questions.  Looking forward to all the issues ahead of us in this series.  Folks, if there are particular issues that you are interested in discussing, let us know in this thread and we’ll see what we can do on them.  Can’t promise we’ll hit every legal issue — it’s a big, wide field — but we will try to highlight a number of them between now and November.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nan — thank you so much for being here today and answering so many questions.  Looking forward to all the issues ahead of us in this series.  Folks, if there are particular issues that you are interested in discussing, let us know in this thread and we’ll see what we can do on them.  Can’t promise we’ll hit every legal issue — it’s a big, wide field — but we will try to highlight a number of them between now and November.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1202995</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks nan and christy!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(and thanks dakine01)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks nan and christy!</p>
<p>(and thanks dakine01)</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1202994</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One thing that might help is to speak with any lawyers you might know about their experiences with a particular candidate.  I know my day-to-day experience with various candidates in court and in negotiations and such gave me a real feel for who would or would not be good on the bench or as a prosecutor, etc.  That can be useful to know, but isn’t likely to be something anyone will broadcast publicly in print, for obvious reasons:  what if a vindictive, odious person wins election and knows you publicly criticized them?  Your clients would suffer as a result.  (Just as a real world example, I’ve seen that happen a time or two…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But most lawyers will have a private conversation with you about various candidates if you ask them about it and have more than a passing acquaintence with them.  Thought it might be worth mentioning for folks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that might help is to speak with any lawyers you might know about their experiences with a particular candidate.  I know my day-to-day experience with various candidates in court and in negotiations and such gave me a real feel for who would or would not be good on the bench or as a prosecutor, etc.  That can be useful to know, but isn’t likely to be something anyone will broadcast publicly in print, for obvious reasons:  what if a vindictive, odious person wins election and knows you publicly criticized them?  Your clients would suffer as a result.  (Just as a real world example, I’ve seen that happen a time or two…)</p>
<p>But most lawyers will have a private conversation with you about various candidates if you ask them about it and have more than a passing acquaintence with them.  Thought it might be worth mentioning for folks.</p>
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		<title>By: musicsleuth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/the-first-monday-series-a-chat-with-nan-aron-of-afj/#comment-1202993</link>
		<dc:creator>musicsleuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Nan — you and your group are doing an excellent job. As a layperson, I particularly appreciate how well you lay out this issue for people like me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nan — you and your group are doing an excellent job. As a layperson, I particularly appreciate how well you lay out this issue for people like me.</p>
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