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		<title>By: joze46</title>
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		<dc:creator>joze46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, I have really become interested in the politics, our government, industry, and mostly the Mainstream Media that influences America. If there is anything it is how so many America minds can be influenced and directed by cleaver Mainstream Media News telecasting. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In observations there are Americans that understand how debate and analysis can be convoluted, twisted, tricked, and changed for deception, or avoiding blunder, fraud bias abuse while bending ideals to opponent’s disadvantage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simply put Mainstream Media Journalist have mastered how to shape your decisions with likable, caring, compassionate, human kindness, layered with what can start as light rascal gaming, completely deceitful doubt, cleaver deception that is wrong but made to look right, and vagarious ambitious levels of out right bias that stems from personal to deep seated corporate roots that have long existed held power, and profits over the electorate. Again, simply Journalist are the word masters of actually lying and taking context deliberately to make a wrong seem right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is the real and only reason America is screwed up. It’s the Media stupid. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at the Internet and the blogs they hold the real truth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I have really become interested in the politics, our government, industry, and mostly the Mainstream Media that influences America. If there is anything it is how so many America minds can be influenced and directed by cleaver Mainstream Media News telecasting. </p>
<p>In observations there are Americans that understand how debate and analysis can be convoluted, twisted, tricked, and changed for deception, or avoiding blunder, fraud bias abuse while bending ideals to opponent’s disadvantage.</p>
<p>Simply put Mainstream Media Journalist have mastered how to shape your decisions with likable, caring, compassionate, human kindness, layered with what can start as light rascal gaming, completely deceitful doubt, cleaver deception that is wrong but made to look right, and vagarious ambitious levels of out right bias that stems from personal to deep seated corporate roots that have long existed held power, and profits over the electorate. Again, simply Journalist are the word masters of actually lying and taking context deliberately to make a wrong seem right.</p>
<p>That is the real and only reason America is screwed up. It’s the Media stupid. </p>
<p>Look at the Internet and the blogs they hold the real truth.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is unfair to lump Obama’s actions so far into the same class as that childish rant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it also unfair to associate Hillary Clinton with the “fantasy” statement Bill Clinton made?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many associates have to say something before you accept that it is coming from the candidate?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What if things are said via recorded phone messages or direct mail or on blogs favored by one candidate’s followers, but not in the mass media or on blogs where lots of candidates are supported? Did the candidate say it ‘out loud’ or was it merely a dog whistle?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are serious issues for how a campaign should be run.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is unfair to lump Obama’s actions so far into the same class as that childish rant.</p>
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<p>Is it also unfair to associate Hillary Clinton with the “fantasy” statement Bill Clinton made?</p>
<p>How many associates have to say something before you accept that it is coming from the candidate?</p>
<p>What if things are said via recorded phone messages or direct mail or on blogs favored by one candidate’s followers, but not in the mass media or on blogs where lots of candidates are supported? Did the candidate say it ‘out loud’ or was it merely a dog whistle?</p>
<p>These are serious issues for how a campaign should be run.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;every Blue America donation will lead us to “Pera” Firma.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perafect!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>every Blue America donation will lead us to “Pera” Firma.</p>
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<p>Perafect!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Brother, can you paradigm?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just thinkin’ outside of the balloon!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Brother, can you paradigm?</p>
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<p>Just thinkin’ outside of the balloon!</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Donnie McClurkin?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a little problematic to use “guilt by association” with candidates since they appear, and are supported by so many different people.  I would imagine you could find unsavory people backing any campaign if you look enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, I wish Obama would’ve told Donnie Come Lately to take a hike, but again, what did Obama himself say that was so negative or unseemly?  I know he’s not for gay marriage, but John Edwards is “uncomfortable” with homosexuals, so are both of them not worth support because of this?  For some it might be, which is understandable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel Obama himself or Michelle Obama have been quite good and mature in their public appearances, unlike this embarrassing diatribe:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/08/bill-clinton-on-obama-big-fairy-tale/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....airy-tale/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is unfair to lump Obama’s actions so far into the same class as that childish rant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Donnie McClurkin?</p>
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<p>It’s a little problematic to use “guilt by association” with candidates since they appear, and are supported by so many different people.  I would imagine you could find unsavory people backing any campaign if you look enough.</p>
<p>Yes, I wish Obama would’ve told Donnie Come Lately to take a hike, but again, what did Obama himself say that was so negative or unseemly?  I know he’s not for gay marriage, but John Edwards is “uncomfortable” with homosexuals, so are both of them not worth support because of this?  For some it might be, which is understandable.</p>
<p>I feel Obama himself or Michelle Obama have been quite good and mature in their public appearances, unlike this embarrassing diatribe:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/08/bill-clinton-on-obama-big-fairy-tale/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/&#8230;..airy-tale/</a></p>
<p>It is unfair to lump Obama’s actions so far into the same class as that childish rant.</p>
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		<title>By: RayDuray</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayDuray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This reminds me of the story, probably apocryphal, about Russians coming to America. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A handful of years back a couple of Russian retirees came to visit their cousins in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, NYC, NY, USA, NAU. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These two had become best friends when they worked on the Editorial Board of Pravda and Tass in the good old days of Leonid Breznev and Yuri Andropov. Let’s call them Vlad and Ivan. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vlad: “You know Ivan, after our two weeks here in America we’ve sampled nearly every media there is. It’s a marvel. TV, radio, newspapers, periodicals and the uniformity of viewpoints expressed is breathtaking.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ivan: “Why yes, Vlad, I see that the dialectic of capitalism is nearly universal in all media here. But what’s funny is that no one here seems to know what a dialectic is. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vlad: “Yes, it’s somewhat sad to think that in the nation that won the Cold War, that they just as obsessed with religion, UFOs, hypnosis, the occult and the cult of personality as we were, and are, back home.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ivan: “But what is truly most remarkable is the lack of dissent among the media here. Even at the heights of Breshnev’s repression, there was far more expression of dissenting opinions among our intelligentsia. Granted, a lot of that was in the form of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;samizdat&lt;/a&gt;, but nonetheless, the people were smart enough to know that they had to ridicule and discount everything we said at Pravda and Tass.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vlad: “And what is so striking here is that it appears that the American public is a great herd that actually believes the word of their government. How extraordinary.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ivan: “Yes Vlad, it’s both surprising and disappointing in equal measures. Frankly, I’m looking forward to our little vacation ending so I can get back a place where we have a free press, or at least one not bought and paid for by only one wing of the criminal elite who run this planet. In Russia, at least we have some competing oligarchs, though come to think of it, the People don’t have a voice at home either. Oh well, I’m so happy that my samizdat, surreptitious as they were, had more effect on the people’s education than my decades of propagandizing for a pay check.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the story, probably apocryphal, about Russians coming to America. </p>
<p>A handful of years back a couple of Russian retirees came to visit their cousins in Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, NYC, NY, USA, NAU. </p>
<p>These two had become best friends when they worked on the Editorial Board of Pravda and Tass in the good old days of Leonid Breznev and Yuri Andropov. Let’s call them Vlad and Ivan. </p>
<p>Vlad: “You know Ivan, after our two weeks here in America we’ve sampled nearly every media there is. It’s a marvel. TV, radio, newspapers, periodicals and the uniformity of viewpoints expressed is breathtaking.” </p>
<p>Ivan: “Why yes, Vlad, I see that the dialectic of capitalism is nearly universal in all media here. But what’s funny is that no one here seems to know what a dialectic is. </p>
<p>Vlad: “Yes, it’s somewhat sad to think that in the nation that won the Cold War, that they just as obsessed with religion, UFOs, hypnosis, the occult and the cult of personality as we were, and are, back home.” </p>
<p>Ivan: “But what is truly most remarkable is the lack of dissent among the media here. Even at the heights of Breshnev’s repression, there was far more expression of dissenting opinions among our intelligentsia. Granted, a lot of that was in the form of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat" rel="nofollow">samizdat</a>, but nonetheless, the people were smart enough to know that they had to ridicule and discount everything we said at Pravda and Tass.” </p>
<p>Vlad: “And what is so striking here is that it appears that the American public is a great herd that actually believes the word of their government. How extraordinary.” </p>
<p>Ivan: “Yes Vlad, it’s both surprising and disappointing in equal measures. Frankly, I’m looking forward to our little vacation ending so I can get back a place where we have a free press, or at least one not bought and paid for by only one wing of the criminal elite who run this planet. In Russia, at least we have some competing oligarchs, though come to think of it, the People don’t have a voice at home either. Oh well, I’m so happy that my samizdat, surreptitious as they were, had more effect on the people’s education than my decades of propagandizing for a pay check.”</p>
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		<title>By: RayDuray</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/14/raise-your-hand-if-youre-sick-of-the-presidentials/#comment-1203477</link>
		<dc:creator>RayDuray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m using Firefox/Vista. I’m not suffering the problem you discuss. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;
For those who are ready, I suggest that instead of passively watching TV and getting addled by the obvious propaganda that you consider “&lt;a href=&quot;http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Watching America&lt;/a&gt;” as an intelligent alternative. These fine editors are scouring the world’s media to find out what smart people outside the Empire are writing about us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BillyRay Sez Check It Out!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>I’m using Firefox/Vista. I’m not suffering the problem you discuss. </p>
<p>***<br />
For those who are ready, I suggest that instead of passively watching TV and getting addled by the obvious propaganda that you consider “<a href="http://watchingamerica.com/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">Watching America</a>” as an intelligent alternative. These fine editors are scouring the world’s media to find out what smart people outside the Empire are writing about us.</p>
<p>BillyRay Sez Check It Out!</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent Ray!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More of this please.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;About ten years ago, I attended a Chomsky lecture where a young man from Russia was also in attendance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’d both spoken with Chomsky and were walking out together when he said,&lt;br /&gt;
‘It must be wonderful to have more than one party to vote for.’ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I looked at him and said, ‘Believe it or not, Americans only have one party as well, but it has two wings.  This suggests, to many people, including Americans  that there really is some possibility for choice, but, in point of fact, both factions represent the interests of the wealthy and well-connected.  It is a sham, a lie, a joke, and most often the joke is on the people.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘But how can this be so?’ he asked.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘If it is possible for you to stay here for a long enough time, then you will understand,’ was my response.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m afraid I left him sore perplexed, just as many will be regarding what you have said here.  They will deny it and counter that it is not so.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But it is more true than not.  Were this not the case, what we have seen  with respect (or lack thereof) to the impeachment process would not be occurring. An impeachment would end up being too embarrassing all-around. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is easier for people to believe that the d’s are being blackmailed than to grasp the quite evident truth that all is done willingly and only theatric effects, a thin veneer, describe our ‘democracy’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent Ray!!!</p>
<p>More of this please.</p>
<p>About ten years ago, I attended a Chomsky lecture where a young man from Russia was also in attendance.</p>
<p>We’d both spoken with Chomsky and were walking out together when he said,<br />
‘It must be wonderful to have more than one party to vote for.’ </p>
<p>I looked at him and said, ‘Believe it or not, Americans only have one party as well, but it has two wings.  This suggests, to many people, including Americans  that there really is some possibility for choice, but, in point of fact, both factions represent the interests of the wealthy and well-connected.  It is a sham, a lie, a joke, and most often the joke is on the people.’</p>
<p>‘But how can this be so?’ he asked.</p>
<p>‘If it is possible for you to stay here for a long enough time, then you will understand,’ was my response.</p>
<p>I’m afraid I left him sore perplexed, just as many will be regarding what you have said here.  They will deny it and counter that it is not so.  </p>
<p>But it is more true than not.  Were this not the case, what we have seen  with respect (or lack thereof) to the impeachment process would not be occurring. An impeachment would end up being too embarrassing all-around. </p>
<p>It is easier for people to believe that the d’s are being blackmailed than to grasp the quite evident truth that all is done willingly and only theatric effects, a thin veneer, describe our ‘democracy’.</p>
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		<title>By: RayDuray</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayDuray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;He hasn’t learned much after being totally discredited last week.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you may misunderstand the essential role of Chris Matthews on the Idiot Box. His job is to create memes that are favorable to the elites. It’s not likely that he’s unaware that he is a fraud. It’s less likely that he’s going to come out and tell us that he’s a fraud, or a shill or a propagandist. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have false hope and perhaps a touch of naivete to think that Matthews will be chastised and embarrassed by the current animosity he faces on the Internet. The best we can hope for is that those who control Matthews marionette strings decide that he is no longer effective and replace him with another as yet underexposed propaganda tool. Matthews act is totally ersatz. I’m quite taken aback by the visceral and emotional response he’s able to exicit from many people. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t like Matthews? Turn your TV off. If enough of us do so, Nielsen will eventually point out to the elites that their ruse isn’t working. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;***&lt;br /&gt;
Many here will find the Truth Emergency Conference to be held in Santa Cruz in late January to be a terrific antidote to corporate-TV poisoning. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthemergency.us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.truthemergency.us/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>He hasn’t learned much after being totally discredited last week.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you may misunderstand the essential role of Chris Matthews on the Idiot Box. His job is to create memes that are favorable to the elites. It’s not likely that he’s unaware that he is a fraud. It’s less likely that he’s going to come out and tell us that he’s a fraud, or a shill or a propagandist. </p>
<p>You have false hope and perhaps a touch of naivete to think that Matthews will be chastised and embarrassed by the current animosity he faces on the Internet. The best we can hope for is that those who control Matthews marionette strings decide that he is no longer effective and replace him with another as yet underexposed propaganda tool. Matthews act is totally ersatz. I’m quite taken aback by the visceral and emotional response he’s able to exicit from many people. </p>
<p>Don’t like Matthews? Turn your TV off. If enough of us do so, Nielsen will eventually point out to the elites that their ruse isn’t working. </p>
<p>***<br />
Many here will find the Truth Emergency Conference to be held in Santa Cruz in late January to be a terrific antidote to corporate-TV poisoning. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthemergency.us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthemergency.us/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ticktock</title>
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		<dc:creator>ticktock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi!—Our Best and Brightest (Jane)has posted another (twofer see new post) read for all at the lake “Meddle for Mitt In Michigan!”—-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy—-&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!—Our Best and Brightest (Jane)has posted another (twofer see new post) read for all at the lake “Meddle for Mitt In Michigan!”—-</p>
<p>Enjoy—-</p>
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