We’re at the mercy of a narcissistic and irresponsible press. Matt Bai’s blog post in the New York Times being "Exhibit A":
No one expects Mrs. Clinton to stand down and let Mr. Obama make his case unchallenged. She could, however, send a clear message to the cogs in the machinery she’s built that there is a line she will not cross. She could tell her Nevada allies that the job of the Democratic Party she grew up in is to make it easier for people to caucus, not harder. She could tell Robert Johnson that he needs to apologize, the same way she forced Bill Shaheen, her New Hampshire co-chairman, to resign last month. She can make it plain to all those people trying to get jobs in the next Clinton Administration that there is way to win—a rough and combative way, even—that nonetheless won’t destroy all the good that the Clintons, at least for a lot of Democrats, have come to represent.
By loading all the responsibility onto one candidate, as if the other had no place in it, it just heightens the antagonistic environment and makes the problem worse. Does Bai call for Jesse Jackson Jr. to step down, or even mention that this isn’t a one-way battle? No. He’s smugly content to pour gasoline over an already volatile situation then stand back and watch it burn.
Journalists like Bai inflame these things to the detriment of the political environment and the Democratic party without any consideration of the cost involved. I realize destroying any kind of coalition that could win against the Republicans next November is an acceptable price for some people, but some of us actually do care what happens to the country going forward.
Both Clinton and Obama have issued statements calling for an end to the pie fight, which is a good thing. The responsible thing to do is to refuse to let people like Bai egg them on. We’ll see if it’s all rhetoric or if their actions back it up. But barring an Edwards resurgence, I frankly don’t see how we win the next election without both Clinton and Obama on the ticket in some order. If the antagonism we see online is any evidence, coming together again as a party without it is going to be awfully difficult.
If no decisive victor emerges before the convention, the superdelegates could force both Clinton and Obama onto a ticket. While I’m sure neither would be happy with that situation, it may be the best thing for the party as a whole. It certainly would be an unbeatable and historic combination, ushering in an era where we can hopefully begin to talk about these things. And after the damage that their mutual mud slinging contest has done to any kind of future coalition, the onus may be on them to suck it up for the good of the country.
Because it doesn’t look like our high-minded press will content itself with anything less than scorched earth.
Update: Pam Spaulding, who has been writing about this situation better than almost anyone, nails it (via email):
I am sorry to say that I’ve seen this coming for months now, and none of it is surprising, other than it completely follows the race-baiting playbook I imagined of lobbing the bomb out there, running for cover, and coming up with painfully bad denials, being "misunderstood", poor choice of phrases, etc. It’s the by-product of not speaking frankly about race and some deluding themselves that if they say that this is the "post-racial" era often enough, the problems beneath the surface go away and it renders any deeper discussion of it untouchable or viewed as stoking the fire. The consultant class in both parties are so hooked on these base tactics that they simply can’t give them up.



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Bonsoir Jane.
Did anyone ever call this idiot on it at Kos Nation(I know it’s called Netroots Nation going forward)?
Jane!!!
I liked it better when we dems were the grownups at the party with the repubs squabbling in the romper room while we discussed grownup things like the issues. By issues I mean not race and gender but war, economy, health care, you know, stuff that matters.
oh, please god… isn’t one of them bad enough? i have to hope for both?
Is The Press Out to Destroy the Democrats?
…………..
sadly yes!
But Matt Bai is so cute! (And if you don’t believe me, I know someone you can ask)
I am dislike to admit it. But the smartest thing my party could do (if it wants to win back the WH), is to run a ticket containing the names Clinton and Obama. Or the other way around. Gawd. Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama. A real stomach churner in this house. But any Demo ticket is better than the GOP weirdos. I hope.
Afraid I’m with you on this.
can’t we do better?
The consultant class in both parties are so hooked on these base tactics that they simply can’t give them up.
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it is SO much easier than disscussing isues VOTERS need info on
Thanks for asking the necessary question. Everytime he is mentioned, I can’t help asking myself why was he invited in the first place. He wrote a book, but so what? I was not Kossackal at the time, so I am in the dark.
I don’t want just any dem. ticket. I want a quality one with the right values—upholding the constitution and rule of law, looking out for the little guy, getting us the hell out of Iraq.
Not too much to ask. Sadly, I don’t believe that either of the front runners have these things on the top of their agendas.
I don’t exactly blame the MSM. I do exactly blame my party for the mess they find themselves in. I mean really. Harry, Nancy, Obama and Hillary? The best and the brightest? Oh, come now.
Yes! ;0)
Good question.
The candidate forum at YKos was dreadfully disappointing. It was just like all the others thanks to Bai. McJoan, unfortunately didn’t spice it up either.
I’m hearing you. ;0)
If everyone accepts the lie then the lie passes into history as the truth.
I think that the Press…i.e. the corporate owners and these pseudo-journalists like Russert have decided that if they can’t destroy individual candidates they will try and become the gatekeepers of which party wins next November.
It’s no longer about serving the public interest, informing the public of realpolicy differences and issues of history and experience. It’s about tearing people apart. It’s the same bulldada that led to the suicide of Bill Clinton’s Chief of Staff….”the politics of personal destruction”.
We, here at the netroots, have to be careful not to let these maroons lead us down that very irrational pathway. We have to come out of this in November with a President and an Administration that is enabled to tackle some of the greatest issues of our generation. It’s clear that we have to constantly focus ourselves on REAL issues…and keep the candidates moving toward solutions on those issues where they are lacking.
IMO all three of the major Democratic candidates carry “associative baggage” with corporations or contributors or advisors. They all have real flaws in their current foreign policy positions (esp. with the three “I’s” ~Iraq, Iran, and Israel). All three have made strategic errors in their campaigns or careers that allow the Republicans traction in a future General campaign. But at the same time these three are what we have and are far more capable and perhaps, just perhaps, more willing to solve the multitude of problems this country faces. The ostriches on the right are simply incapable of seeing the problems, much less suggesting even tepid solutions.
Never in my political life time has so much mediocrity been invested in so few. George W. Bush, Mittie, Rudy, Huckabee, McCain, Nancy, Harry, Obama and Hillary.
hey Rev!
i’m afraid i’m primaried out. i don’t know how people do it – keeping up the excitement when our choices are between stupid greedy batshit crazy warmongering supremacists and not stupid greedy batshit crazy warmongering supremacists.
blech!
… because it really does matter if one of them will kill even 1% more people than the other one – when presidents now-a-days don’t seem to be able to do the job without causing the deaths of at least hundreds of thousands of people
Glad to see that Clinton and Obama want it to end. That is a start.
Obama Clinton.. double the triangulation and Rahm Emmanuel and the like will rule the congressional elections with an iron DLC fist never before imagined.
1,726 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Isn’t it clear by now that neither Mrs. Clinton or Barak O’Lieberman want a battle over issues, policies or substance and, in fact, the atomization of the Democratic Party base and the fragile threads that hold coalition groups together is in the interest of the corporate oligarchy that owns both candidates. I am waiting for Edwards to jump up and declare that neither of the bastards is fit to serve the people of this country or manage a rock garden.
We progressives simply MUST pour all the resources we can(’t) afford into expandin’ the progressive presense in Congress and the Senate. The next president is gunna be too weak ta lead a one car funeral parade…so a solid Democratic majority with new leadership is our only hope.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…DON’T WORRY ABOUT WHAT’S BEHIND YOU ‘CUZ WE’RE SURROUNDED!!
OT – drive by: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01…..ref=slogin
The short version is that the Republican candidates – yecch!
Edwards is driving the democrats with good policies then the others clamor on. Clinton – good. Obama – leaning right.
Read it for yourself.
And on a positive note: I will vote for the nominee of my party for president. Even though I can’t stand Obama and Hillary.
Well, the link stuff didn’t work as planned: my 25 is Krugman on the candidates’ economic policies.
If it’s HRC and Obama at the next election, Lahoma will be dragging me kicking and screaming to the voting booth.
If you want to ask Barack Obama to rein in his own surrogates, that’s perfectly fair. But I think that Bai is correct that there’s something fishy going on in the Clinton camp with so many of them putting out the same essential line. It starts to look like a strategy: paint Obama blacker, tie him to threatening images too many whites who don’t think of themselves as racists have about blacks, force him to respond aggressively, and sound more like a Sharpton than the inclusive, almost post-racial candidate he’s been running as.
I was also pissed off at Michael Eric Dyson for saying in effect that there’s no way to oppose Obama without being racist, or Gloria Steinem for doing much the same with Hillary and sexism. I guess the reason I don’t hold Obama or Clinton responsible for the Dyson/Steinem comments is that it strikes me as very bad politics to say this kind of thing; it just pisses people off. I’m more likely to blame the candidate when the attacks from surrogates seem to be both consistent and potentially effective.
At this point I’m back and forth on whether to vote for Edwards or Obama, but I’m not in the tank for anyone.
huh? “keep” ?????
i’d be ecstatic if they would start.
Issues? What issues? Everything’s fine. Oue economy is roaring and we are about to start another war. Does it get any better?
crystal clear.
1,726 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen kiddo and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Ya don’t hafta vote for ANY of ‘em…pour yer efforts into gettin’ real progressives elected and let whatever Quisling who occupies the White House light the national Xmas tree and cut the Thanksgiving turkeys.
KEEP THE FAITH…ALL THEY GOT IS THE MONEY!!
Here’s to the dreamers
And the children all alone
Imaginations
Evoke a world of a happy home
A wild cherry tree
To bed down late late night
Horse-drawn pavillion
Will carry you to the growing light
Can she drag me too? I don’t have anyone here to do the honors.
does krugman think the bankers will let any of them implement the economic policies of their choice?
yeah, i guess i should go read for myself.
Obama says this via TPM:
“I don’t think it was in any way a racial comment,” Obama told ABC News. “That’s something that has played out in the press. That’s not my view.”
But, he said, the comment was revealing about her political character. “I do think it was indicative of the perspective that she brings, which is that what happens in Washington is more important than what happens outside of Washington,” he said.
He said he believes the quote betrays a belief on her part, “that the intricacies of the legislative process were somehow more significant than when ordinary people rise up and march and go to jail and fight for justice.”
He called that a “fundamental difference” between them.
on PBS here tonight they are showing a program on the march of the bonus army,and Oswalds Ghost also
FYI SoCal firepups — John Edwards will have an event in Los Angeles on Thursday 1/17. More info here when available.
Ah, Anacostia flats, Black Jack and the great Dugout Doug.
I think a Clinton/Obama ticket would be a disaster — there are too many people who will never vote for Hillary; combined with the cracker vote, it would be the worst of all possible tickets. And Hillary as VP? The Clintons taking a backseat to anyone? Dream on . . .
KO calling it “Demo-lition”
apt.
I’m way beyond not calm as a result of the excitement over the prospect of Obama and/or Hillary next November. My lady has issued a willingness to best me at chess again while we look at Olbermann. This will stablize me.
Is there any way that Edwards can stand at the sidelines of this and then rise from the ashes of the flame wars between them?
just asking.
Hillary evoking LBJ, whatcha think Norske. Hey hey LBJ how many kids did ya kill today?
Of course you can join us. But be forewarned however, Lahoma can be brutal. When she deems the situation requires it. ;0)
That’s actually a very good answer.
On Real Time last Friday Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone made a very valid and (I’m sure with his journalistic bretren) telling point: that the journalist/pundit class are a bunch of spoiled whiners who want to “fix” the election to suit their narrative. I think it’s time not only to take the campaign back from the consultant class who seem to have the misguided notion that they are somehow infalliable (really, Bob Shrum?) and the Pumpkinhead-led media and return it to the voters. Will it happen in this campaign or election cycle? No, probably not, but with places like FDL and other alternative sources of media and support it might happen eventually.
I am sick of the “attack of the surrogates” and all the manufactured outrage of the pundits. Enough is Enough. If HRC wants to defame Obama, then she ought to just do it and let the nation see what she’s all about, and the same goes for any other candidate. This Dog-Whistle Defamation has got to stop, and we have to either get candidates who will address the issues or be faced with another four to eight years of GoOper incompetance.
AP – The Democratic-led Congress is unlikely to block U.S. plans to sell $123 million worth of sophisticated precision-guided bomb technology to Saudi Arabia, despite concerns from some members that the systems could be used against Israel.
Jane, I can agree with you in theory — but then I look at the mid-term election and remember how important it seemed then to have the Dems get in, but I’m not seeing that as having resulted in much of what I’d hoped for. That keeps me from having faith that simply getting behind Hil/Obama, or vice versa will mean much when, to my ear, what Edwards is saying is what warms my liberal heart. Rather than go for unity just yet, I’d far rather make a lot of noise in support of my real choice for the Presidency. I’m behind Edwards till there’s not a shred of hope left that he can get in, and I don’t think we’re there yet. But to sell others on Edwards, I’ve had to show he differs from Hil and Obama, and that — unfortunately — means telling some not-so-attracitive truths about them.
OT — Ultimate Shut Yer Pie Hole
Just heard this viewer letter feedback on the teevee …
On endorsements for Barack Obama:
”Well, being endorsed by John Kerry (snort) and Gary Hart (snicker) is like being given two free tickets … on the Titanic.”
SNAP.
Gene Robinson on Olbermann now. I respect Robinson a great deal.
Over at Dkos, someone has diarized to the effect that Obama has declared a truce and so should we.
In all sincerity, and meant in the most positive way, I would not mind if we declared a truce with certain subjects, and precisely primaries and the MSM intentionally pissing off antics.
There are some subject that I would really like to read you guys on.
Just today.
–the Kabul hotel designed to keep foreigners safe has been attached by the Taliban by suicide bomber and gun and grenade. 6 dead.
–Bush has made Olmert happy by telling the NIE on Iram is an offer he can refuse ’cause it’s only opinion.
–Waxman has been told by the EPA that he can’t have 10 k documents on time.
–and, to offer some good news, Giuliani is tanking in Florida and the Golden Globes apparently stank I am told. (Confession: I opted for Jane Austin on PBS, so this is hearsay or seesay or whatever).
Respectfully submitted, BSRH
Thanks. The situation, as sketched out, is brutal.
Jane,
How do you really feel about Matt Bai?
Clinton surrogates make a series of personal attacks on Barack Obama. And then Bill and Hillary Clinton demand that Obama apologize for injecting race into the campaign. I guess I’m not too bright…I don’t understand the logic.
HRC says she likes JFK. My family voted solidly for Kennedy. Excuse me Senator. While my family voted for JFK, weren’t you a Goldwater person?
this became apparent to me when I saw that no matter how good edwards might do they refuse to tell us
I guarantee if he does really bad in a primary they will be all over it
Personally, I’d much rather hear what everyone thinks of what appears to be an attempt to suppress voters by the Teachers Union. Whazzup with that!
Jane;
Such ‘pragmatism’ as this is hardly a prescription for ‘progress’ or whatever you may mean by ‘the country going forward.’ It looks more like stalling on the tracks to me.
Not simply the ‘least-worst’ but a ‘double’.
Oh, Jane; your heart ’tis sorely troubled that you must needs see salvation in a ‘couple’ who’ve neither soulful accord nor much beyond narcissism to share between themselves. Will you broker their daily spats or must the ‘furniture’ bear the brunt of the White Household rages?
What pray tell dost thou see as positive in their war-mongering, less-than- we-desperately-need health care plans and the paucity of actual vision of either merit or well-founded hope? What substance be there?
How much better, really, and not just for appearances’ sake will these two, together, be than those vile beings who now strut sullenly around?
Pragmatism? Or something else? Magical thinking.
Is there a link for this? ;0)
This from Barbara Boxer:
Last Thursday, I chaired a Senate Environment and Public Works
Committee field briefing in Los Angeles to investigate why the
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rejected California’s plan
to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from automobiles.
California Attorney General Jerry Brown, California Air
Resources Board Chair Mary Nichols, the Sierra Club’s Carl Pope,
the NRDC’s Fran Pavley, and Congresswoman Hilda Solis all
appeared as witnesses. Unfortunately, one chair at the briefing
was noticeably empty: the seat we reserved for EPA Administrator
Stephen Johnson.
Clearly, EPA Administrator Johnson does not want California and
18 other states to implement California’s higher emission
standard for automobiles — a key part of our fight against
global warming — but the public deserves to know why. We can’t
let Administrator Johnson hide the truth from the American
people.
The Democrats have been their own worst enemy.
So it is written
so it shall be
Hubba Hubba “LiberalHeart” at 50:
I’m getting mighty tired myself of the Edwards-Is-Dead meme coming relentlessly from the Fire Dog House. Kinda like listening to GOP drones. Or MSM Control Freaks. Ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecies???? And this blah-blah-blah with less than one percent of the rural, irrelevant white state voters opinions in. Jesus Cristo.
That’s right Mittie. Put me down for a brand spanking new Rambler.
Mittie/Johnny in ‘08!
AP – Republican rivals Mitt Romney and John McCain both promised to revive recession-ravaged Michigan and the auto industry Monday as they campaigned in a presidential primary neither can afford to lose. “I will not rest until Michigan is back,” said Romney, a native son who jabbed at his rival for saying many jobs among the thousands lost will never return.
FWIW, when HRC was a “Goldwater Girl,” JFK had been dead for not quite a year and the other choice was LBJ. Given history, not sure which one of the two that ran in ‘64 would have been the better choice.
What, you think you’re gonna get Vice President Feingold or something? Dream on.
The fact is that women and African Americans are two huge voting blocks within the Democratic party, and if either decides to stay home because their candidate was snubbed you may be looking at President McCain.
That may be somebody’s idea of progress, but not mine.
Try this one!
Obama and Hillary have been very naughty children for the last few days. The are in extreme need of some time-outs.
oh teddy.
Thanks, both for the information and what it suggests. We have Waxman and Boxer, two houses of Congress, two different committee mandates, anyone know if this is at all promising for, oh oh, the word is inescapable, change.
Back to Jane’s original question: I don’t think that the majority of the press is out to destroy the Democrats, even though their bosses (even in the “objective” press) tend to be Republicans. Rather, they like conflict.
So maybe the thing to do is give them some meat by serving up inter-party, rather than intra-party, conflict. Let our candidates compete with each other to do serious damage to Republicans. Who can get off the best shots?
Have at it, ladies and gentlemen.
I haven’t read other remarks but I assume others here have said it…neither of these two seems to be willing to take the second spot on the ticket of the other…I hope I’m wrong, cause I think it would be a fabulous ticket either way…
Dream On!!!
I seriously beg to differ with that premise, the Lake, by and large, does not espouse that meme! When it is utilized, it is usually in disdain for the MSM’s continued usage of it… 8-(
My idea of the ideal situation is if the voters punished both Hillary and Obama and the winner of the South Carolina race ends up the favorite son, Edwards. This would be my idea of the perfect solution, a fresh start all the way around. Well, maybe not perfect; perfect would be if Edwards were to win in Nevada as well.
Indeed.
Not only that, but I am so sick of their inability to do anymore than speak in soundbites and run focus groups… perhaps we should refer to them as “FuckUs Groups” for all the good they do.
and let’s not ferget the endorsement of that GIANT in the Senate: Ben Nelson!!
I really, really don’t see Clinton accepting a VP slot on Obama’s ticket. Maybe the other way around, Obama’s not a young guy, but not Clinton playing second fiddle.
KO just said that MSNBC is appealing a judge’s ruling that Kucinich must be allowed in tomorrow’s debate…
(did I hear that right?)
I realized that at the time I wrote that. Call it poetic license if you will. The point was that the Rodham family were solid Goldwater type Republicans. Hillary’s record on Iraq, the Israeli-Palestinian situation and the Senator’s pronouncements on Iran, leads me to firmly still believe Clinton remains a Goldwater girl. But nonetheless, thanks for the lecture. ;0)
Welcome. And you’re right, things are going to be rough come January ‘09 for “our friends on the other side of the aisle”
Soooooooo good to hear for once that he does not come from Massachusetts. Not that Bloomfield Hills is like any other part of MI, except perhaps Grosse Point (though I am sure there are enormous differences for those who live there.)
I take the other point of view, though I rarely disagree with Jane in this regard I do
I think both oboma and hillary represent the antithesis for the republican base, the two together will galvanize the anti vote
I personally am hoping whoever is our candidate, the other refuses the vice president slot
Sounds like internal NV politics. The solution is to have a primary on a Saturday and allow mail in ballots…no advantage to anyone.
There is some good press out there. Starting Wednesday, The Young Turks leaves Air America for an all web-based radio show (3 – 5 PM EST). These are the kinds of efforts we should support. We can build our own media!
If you were a young Chaldean Christian from Iraq, sitting in a tent in Syria, knowing you’ll never be able to go home, which Democrat would you urge us to vote for?
If you were a Jewish Iranian college student in Tehran (there are about 6,000 Iranina Jewish college students in Tehran), which Democrat would you urge us to vote for?
If you were a Lebanese kid whose legs had been blown off by the cluster bombs the Democrats in the senate, including Obama and Clinton, voted to replenish in August, 2006, which Dem would you advise to vote for?
If you were a Hatian kid, watching the continued disintegration of your country, which Democrat would you advise us to vote for?
If you were a Palestinian kid, evicted – along with thousands of other Palestinians – from her home in East Jerusalem over the past month – from the home your family has owned for 500 years, which Democrat would you advise us to vote for?
Good question..with no answer..Johnson was stuck with the “best and the brightest” and no way to get rid of them.
And talk to ourselves!
Ring of Fire this weekend had a piece with Pappatonio and David Bender where they discussed Edwards and his goals and chances. I was pleased and delighted at Benders observations.
Listen here at GoleftTV
http://goleft.tv/view.asp?v=905
Made me feel much better.
People from Texas, even those just pretending to be from Texas, make poor Presidents, especially when war is involved. We need an amendment to the constitution.
I don’t know who I would vote for. Edwards, maybe.
I think I’m gonna go in the other room and cry.
I found this interesting from the NY Times:
The lawsuit argues that the Nevada Democratic Party’s decision, decided late last year, to create at-large precincts inside nine Las Vegas resorts on caucus day violates the state’s election laws and creates a system in which voters at the at-large precincts can elect more delegates than voters at other precincts. The lawsuit employs a complex mathematical formula to show that voters at the other 1,754 precincts would have less influence with their votes.
The at-large precincts are being established because thousands of hotel workers cannot leave work to participate in the midday caucuses in their home precincts. The Nevada State Education Association has said it would not endorse any Democrat, but some of its top officials have endorsed Mrs. Clinton. The association’s deputy executive director, Debbie Cahill, for instance, was a founding member of Senator Clinton’s Nevada Women’s Leadership Council.
“This could shut down those precincts in the casinos and keep culinary members from voting,” said Jon Ralston, a political pundit with The Las Vegas Sun, who broke the story on his blog. Mr. Ralston said it is unclear whether there are ties between the lawsuit and the Clinton campaign but, he predicted, “Even if they’re Hillary supporters, the campaign’s going to say they had nothing to do with it.It is unclear when the court will hear the matter.
I’m not certain Jane, as which of us is the dreamer.
‘Tis ‘faith’ alone which says that this will be ‘better’, but the nightmarish truth is that neither of these two have demonstrated much upon which we may truly count.
Neither have spoken against the ‘all-powerful’ executive and neither have stood against the tide of madness. Instead they’ve dodged and weaved; were they with Dodd? Have either spoken to the assault on the Constitution? Have either done anything in the Senate that required courage or commitment or have they self-servingly stayed out of sight that they might commit no errors serious enough to threaten their power lust.
If they are good enough for you Jane, then that is fine, but are they, either alone, or together, what the times demand? Are they good enough for what we need or are they the ‘best’ that we may hope for? Or are they just what we deserve.
Sorry Jane, I am convinced we need and deserve better.
The press is doing its darndest to confound the democratic party. They create issues where there are none. Or they take an afterthought or an aside and blow it up into a war. They also try to steer the public into voting for a candidate. Nothing ever happens to the press. In some sad, sick way they’re always rewarded for their efforts. I FEAR that because of the press, Hillary will become the nominee. She’ll get it out of pity, but she’ll get it.
I believe their caucus is on Saturday (night, I think) which is why it seemed so odd that the Teachers Union would object to the point where they are suing to prevent what they negotiated just last year. Also, looks bad that the Teacher’s Union has ties to Hillary, and two of the people who filed the suit were in on the negotiations to make it possible to have these caucus’ where people work so that they can go. Since they are a caucus state, I’m not sure they can ever do mail in ballots.
Am I the only one who thinks caucusing at work in front of your boss and supervisors is eight kinds of a bad idea?
Unless we could magically transport someone into the parallel dimension where Goldwater was elected President and have them get some history books and bring ‘em back for us to study.
Although I think it would be a safe bet that in that parallel dimension, St Ronnie of Ray-gunz would NOT have been elected President.
I know the feeling. I’ve been backing Edwards for months. Then I read this, this morning, and started to cry…
And George W. Bush is not really from Texas. But the faker wants us to think he is.
Re:
They say that in America money isn’t everything… it’s the only thing.
My understanding is that the suit is for those non union casino workers who are unable to make it to the big casin “at large” sites while on “breaks” – even though it is the Teacher’s Union maybe as the lead plaintiff.
Does anyone remember how bad it was for low-wage earners during two terms of Reagan, and Bush 1, and we don’t have to remember Bush 2, we’re living it.
I remember when Clinton won in ‘92. A lot of Republicans said at the time that Poppy Bush “wasn’t conservative enough” for them, and they didn’t vote.
So I think pragmatism wins.
I want an unbeatable Democratic ticket…please.
E.T. please don’t cry. The lower 48 need you taking care of the upper one. you need to survive to see the fall of the house of Stevens.
I saw that, too.
what are we going to do, Edward?
1,726 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen kiddo and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Lecture…lecture??!!! You don’t need no fuckin’ lecture!!
Your point was well made and stands the test of reason and history…Mrs. Clinton is an upper middleclass opportunist who has visions of gettin’ her little family admitted to the “best” parties by the “best” people. She’s a wholly owned subsidiary of the Murdock faction of the oligarchy and she has no politics only an instinct for political tactics.
And Barak O’Lieberman…JEEzus, don get me started!!
There is a huge space openin’ up right in the middle of this campaign for someone like John Edwards ta call BOTH of the bastards out and pull women and blacks into coalition with the progressive Democrats.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION…AND DON’T WORRY I GOTCHER BACK AND I KEN SHOOT!!
Members of the press are always auditioning for Fox, hence the coverage of the Democrats.
Maybe I’m not so Liberal after all. I’ve watched Clinton’s apparent Emotional Moment (TM) several times now and am convinced it was fake. It just looks fake, and what she’s saying at that moment, and what she says after that moment, have nothing to do with the reason she claims to have teared up for. Plus, since I trust her opinion over all others, my wife who at first told me it was real, came to me the next day saying she watched it again and now thinks it “could very well be” fake.
Given that opinion, I think Jesse Jr. was quite judicious in his description. Either way, I don’t expect candidates to apologize for comments made by various supporters of theirs. Direct full-time employees and themselves yes, but not the hundreds if not thousands of public people that support the various candidates.
Got an extra hanky?
Oh Goddess.
Now what do we do?
“The Nevada Women’s Leadership Council”. What does this group do? I don’t have a clue. I don’t even know what the Democratic Leadership Council does.
The minnow and a heckler in the new Gulf of Tonkin. KO!
Yeah, that pretty much sums up what I know about the situation, except that they didn’t mention that there were no complaints of this kind until right after the culinary workers union endorsed Barack.
I just thought the same thing..I had more sympathy for the teacher’s union until I remember that the caucus was on a Saturday. That being said..I think the caucus system is bad.
I am not sure who will benefit with the casino workers..fromm my observations it is a very heterogeneous work force.
Kep on fighting for Edwards, until the Caucus here on the February 5. Then I’ll start fighting for Obama – his organization up here is very, very good – until the convention. Then I’ll fight for the nominee until she or he wins in November. Then I’ll feel real good, as I think about a better Supreme Court in five years, for a return of the rule of law (unless HRC wins), better funding for sound science, better energy legislation.
Then the next time the far-right nuts in that special country invade one of their neighbors on some bogus or inflated charge, and the Dem President goes along with it 100%, I’ll cry.
I’m beginning to believe the “David Icke New World Order, lizard theory”…
Mail in ballots concern me because I can see overbearing husbands making sure their wives vote “properly”. In a secret ballot, the wife can say she’s voting Republican, then go and actually vote for Clinton.
I’m a sleeve person myself.
By the way, KO posted a diary today at DKos which attracted an amazing 1437 comments so far.
That’s 1,433 more than my last diary there…so far.
I agree..Jesse, Jr is a national co-chair, IIRC, and I am not quite sure which category that job description fits into.
There are a lot of legitimate things to criticize Hillary Clinton about, but her support for Barry Goldwater in 1964, when she was 16, is not. She was from a Republican family; she moved way to the left in college.
Oh no, lol. You had to bring him up!
Maybe I’ll go over to Kos and write a diary about which candidate is really a lizard person and see who wants to fight. ;-0
And way right lately.
NorskeFlameThrower at 106 …
Oooooo. Now I know how you selected your screen name. Most apt, NFT!! Now, pass me them there nails, broken bottles and Mace atomizers. I’m throwing everything I got.
Bwahahahaha….Do it!!! Hee, hee!!!
I seem to have seen a few tongues rapidly flying out mouths as if trying to catch insects here and there!!! I won’t say who.
1,726 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ OMN AND ON AND…
Citizens Darkine and Steve-AR:
Goldwater??!! Goldwater??!! Goldwater as an alternative to our current history??!! Are you fuckin’ NUTS??!! If this guy had been elected, not only would we have been ass-deep in Vietnam but Peking woulda been a nuclear waste dump!! I was an 19 year old college kid drafted outta school who woulda gone ta Canada BEFORE I was drafted if Goldwater had been elected.
That SOB had the mental dexterity of a sleepin’ tree toad and the intellectual flexibility of an anesthetized rock…good God!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BRING ANY OF THOSE OLD NIGHTMARES BACK FER GOD’S SAKE!!!
My brother, you changed your mind cuz that shit eatin dog fucker from Texas won?
This is nothing new.
Dennis Kucinich.
So do I, especially in Nevada. I remember when the bars were closed until after the polls closed. So what the hell are they doing in Vegas and all the other places that have gambling going on 24/7. The least they could do if they’re not going to stop gambling and drinking, is let them vote in a regular primary where it doesn’t take a few hours to get it done, and you could use the mail-in voting.
Re:
From the website:
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I’ve read that the Mary Ferrell Foundation is the key to independent research into the assassination of John Kennedy. From the FAQ there on the House Select Committee on Assassinations we have the following:
To read the letter in full, please go here.
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One of the most profoundly thoughtful researchers into the JFK assassination is Professor emeritus Peter Dale Scott (UC-Berkeley). His book “Deep Politics and the Death of JFK” explores the nexus of madness, institutional criminality and real power in America. Recommeded for any who desire more than a superficial understand of how America is run, and for whose benefit.
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For those with a penchant for internet radio, I recommend WBAI’s “Taking Aim” with Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone. They have a an excellent program on the JFK assassination in their archives.
Here’s the scoop:
Date = 051011
A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History
Three hour special program. See: Update Information
Where to buy the book: Joan Mellen’s website
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Assuredly PBS will be muddying the waters tonight. I don’t expect anything worthwhile from the program.
I don’t know if it makes any difference, but it appears Edwards made those remarks a year ago. It might be great to hear someone ask him if he still stands by them. Did Teddy say somewhere above that he’ll be in SoCal Thursday the 17th?
We’re for Edwards and not giving up.
If the MSM won’t tell the truth, then
we need to make signs for our cars,
or business cards to give to people:
Clinton and Obama
More of the same
Check out their votes
See what they claim
Yeah, those Edwards remarks are heartbreaking. I would like to know if he stands by them today.
What are you…some kind of wacky conspiracy theorist, just like two-time Medal of Honor winner, Major General Smedley Butler?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/051118.html
As if BigMoney interests would want a Liberal President gone! What a crazy concept.
Is the Pope Catholic?
Jane: it doesn’t matter if the press is “out to destroy the Democrats.” They can take care of themselves, if they have any gumption at all. If they don’t, fuck ‘em. We waste ENTIRELY too much time boo-hooing about the stupid press. In the end, it’s completely irrelevant.
As I’ve said before, Ray your prolific sourcing well-compliments your impeccable writing skills. Just amazin’!
Re:
I prefer the the moniker “coincidence theorist”. For example, some will see the association of Lee Harvey Oswald with the ONI and the CIA and his apparently fraudulent efforts with the Free Cuba movement run out of the same building as Guy Bannister’s covert FBI office on Camp Street in downtown New Orleans to be mere coincidence. I applaud those people. I have come to the conclusion that most people who “hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil” about the idea of a conspiracy theory surrounding the murder of JFK are either clueless or else propagandists for the secret government. Coincidence? I don’t think so. But it’s just my theory.
The answer is no. I’m not looking for an agent at the moment, but I’ll certainly keep you in mind.
Kind regards, Your Rebel With A Clue, Renegade Ray
Not sure, but he does wear a funny hat.
Thanks bonkers,
I hadn’t seen that Cecil Adams “Straight Dope” article before. I found it quite troubling in that it was more or less dismissive of the real conspiracy and the seriousness of the matter. If Smedley Butler had cooperated with the plot as conceived by the conspirators, it is very likely it would have succeeded in removing Roosevelt from office.
Among the co-conspirators that Adams neglects to mention were the man who developed the Empire State Building, Jacob Raskob, who happened to have been the Chairman of the Democratic Party at one time, and former Governor and Presidential hopeful Al Smith who was disgruntled that Roosevelt had beat him out for the nomination in 1932. The rest of the conspirators were essentially a who’s who of Republican Party Wall Streeters.
The bottom line is that the conspiracy was bipartisan, but was unilaterally the idea of Wall Streeters out to protect their own selfish interests. Quit the opposite of the sort of commie conspiracy that most of our fraudulent propaganda in this nation leads the ever-gullible public to consider to be the worst threat to their interests.
Roosevelt and allies in Congress did try to bring prosecutions against some of the conspirators, but they proved to be just too powerful and well-connected. As the saying goes, they were “above the law”, and while incapable of removing Roosevelt by subterfuge, they were able to protect their own reputations and suffer essentially no repercussions for what was in point of law an act of treason.
Re:
To ENTIRELY I might add irrelevantly, impotently, blindly, pointlessly, unnervingly, distractingly, foolishly, whiningly and uselessly.
But you knew that implicitly so my loquaciously long listing shall be no substitute for your speaking so succinctly. Thanks for representing those of us who want action instead of the Intertube’s Concatenated World Wide Whine.
I have seen elsewhere (no time to search now) that Prescott Bush was named as a Business Plotter. Funny how that names seems to go away.
Yes, but will it be the best of all possible wars?
So, you’re implying she is inclined to defame? Are you with the Obama campaign?
Is Obama willing to come out personally and accuse Hillary of race baiting?
But, wasn’t it Obama supporters who went onto blogs after his Iowa victory and accused anyone who opposed him of being racist? Were you outraged about that too?
Hillary is making a mistake by personally making statements about this, despite her fantastic ability to make non-statement statements. Obama is making a mistake egging her on because people aren’t dummies. They will suss him out and decide he’s NOT the one.
Neither looks very presidential, despite Obama’s effort to appear uninvolved.
I watched PBS newshour this evening and the Obama ‘defender’ Rev. Lowery (sp) essentially said they’d put an end to it when Hillary apologized.
What kind of truce is that?
Hey, it’s not really a fight until someone is on the floor with blood flowing. Obama said he was used to rough & tumble Chicago politics, so what I want to know is why is he running from this fight with Hillary. Is it because she’s a weak little girl and he’s afraid of her? Or, is it more likely he knows what he said to start all this and he’s afraid it will come out?
Yes.
I was reading headlines at abc, msnbc, cnn, and reuters talking about – oh yeah, and fucking Time magazine – are the democrats shooting themselves in the foot, self-destructing, etc.
It’s not the Democrats; it’s the fucking media.
Not this pope; not accordingly to my type of Catholicism. ;-)
It hit me tonight that the MCM* is doing its own Swift Boating of Hillary. They are not waiting for some nameless 527 groups to take cudgels in hand and are beating up on Hillary themselves. And, yes, indeed, it is trying to destroy all the Dems. No questions about it.
Creating a race-based wedge in the Democratic Party is a KKKarl Rove wet dream–think he had something to do with all this MCM shit?
Now, listening to Dan Abrams on his show tonight on MSNBC, it seems some of the MCMers are trying to take some corrective action. The Village subset seems to have gone way over the line, far beyond the pale in attacking Hillary. Dan showed what the Village MCMers put on the air, then aired the full context statement, at least for Bill’s fairy tale comment.
In going after Hillary by truncating her words about MLK, and then fanning the flames of negative reactions to the Swift Boated quote achieved with the use Magic Ellipses (free of contest, free of all the other parts of the statement, Magic Ellipses allow someone to make it seem another person has said whatever the quoter wants to target to have said), and stirring up a race based controversy, the MCM gets a two-fer. Destroy Hillary and sully Obama.
Rep. Clyburn is on Charlie Rose tonight–as mentioned, everyone on the Dem side seems to be walking this thing back from the brink. But some damage has been done, alas.
Give me a break! Charlie Rose now asking Clyburn whether any candidate who attacks on race or gender should be asked to drop out of the campaign! Rep. says get real.
*MCM–Mainstream Corporate Media; MCMers–members of the MCM
I’m not much for the dem candidates wasting time hurling mud, but on the other hand, that’s all they’ll face once they’re running against the republican cultist and their Big Media enablers. So a little jousting in the mud is not going to hurt as warm-up prelude to the real battle.
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Politico is the one quoting the Obama flak re:Clintons.
Take that for what it’s worth.
The argument’s essence is that Bill Clinton pointing out Barack Obama lives in a “fairy tale” for promising to end lobbyists(when his NH state campaign chair IS ONE) is equivolent to questioning the moral legacy of MLK and JFK.
Can I get a megaditto?
This is a very good point. If both groups do show up, and add to it the young people that Obama seems to be bringing into the fold and it’s a solid victory. That’s why it would be great to have a lot of Blue America candidates on ballots across the country. Ride the wave and keep building the progressive numbers in the house, then the senate.
How about instead having both Clinton and Obama on the ticket, we go for Edwards and anybody else?
Please?
Thank you. It’s insane that everyone pretends that the Clintons started this and continue to push it. Sadly the Obama campaign did, pushing racially charged distortions of both the Clintons’ statements (MLK, “fairy tale”).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..81205.html
The memo also includes an inflammatory distortion regarding Cuomo’s comments (He used that slang to refer to politics in genera–not Obama)
http://blogs.timesunion.com/ca…..#more-6141
Clinton supporter, Mr. Johnson, was a fool (I don’t buy his so-called clarification and I think Clinton should’ve distanced herself), but Obama is never held responsible by the press for not only the comments of his supporters (Michael Eric Dyson stating that Clinton commenting that she was ready and Obama was not was “racial in subtext”), but also that of his staff. I truly don’t want either candidate held to account for every supporter, but if you’re going to apply standards let them apply to all. At the very least, Obama should’ve been condemned for the actions of his staff (The South Carolina primary memo, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Axelrod).
I can’t imagine Clinton being the nominee after this: the vast majority of Democrats believe the distortions and outright lies. Even if she somehow manages to pull it off, it’ll cripple her candidacy. I hate to say it, but I think Obama is now our best shot because of the dirty tricks his campaign played and the anti-Clinton press.
Exactly, amberflow. Hillary and Obama are not good candidates.
Except for their money, they wouldn’t be ahead. Obama attacked Edwards in Iowa as being supported by “special interests” (read: unions) and being a “trial lawyer” (read: representing victims in civil suits).
To me, he crossed the line right there and I will never have any respect for him. He’s an opportunist, and I think, sadly, that Hillary is not the kind of woman to get elected President.
Edwards is OUR kind of candidate: passionate, brave, faced with horrible odds and yet perservering.
Huh?
Obama’s playing the dirty tricks?
I see this exactly the opposite. Since Iowa, Team Clinton has been on constant attack mode toward Obama. Is he supposed to just keep his mouth shut and not respond to these constant insults? He hasn’t been perfect, but for the most part Obama has not instigated a thing. I wish he’d play tougher, but I think he’s trying to win on ideas and show you can succeed in politics without playing the same old game, which the Clintons are doing.
For instance, Hillary’s claim that Obama’s “NH Chair is a lobbyist” is sort of true, since the dude is registered with the state of NH. But the guy is one of four NH Chairs (one of four in one small state), and this does not violate Obama’s pledge, which was about Federal lobbyists. Personally, I wish Obama would’ve pointed out the extremely odious people working on her behalf, like her CAMPAIGN MANAGER Mark Penn, who is a registered Federal lobbyist for Blackwater, among many other truly disgusting companies.
Is this Hillary’s idea of “keeping it about the issues?”
I read the supposed “Obama memo” on that HuffPo link, and what was the problem with that? They made no mention of race at all, and was just direct responses to Clinton insults, which were quoted with context, and the only mention of race was from quotes by Donna Brazile. a Clinton lackey. Who’s stoking racial flames? Not to mention it’s from a SC Press Sec. I’ve been a local “campaign manager,” and much of what’s done on a state and local level is done autonomously and not controlled by the National. Sure, they’ll send things for you and action plans from time to time, but in my experience, you’re able to do a lot on your own.
Anti-Clinton press? Please. All we’ve been hearing from approx 1999 is how Hillary is “unbeatable” and “inevitable.” The other Dem candidates have had to chip away at the name recognition and media manufactured persona, and as we’re seeing when it gets down to nitty gritty time, Hillary doesn’t pass the test and is more of politics as usual, which we’ve all been bitching about for years. I can’t understand why other Liberals are supporting these actions from Team Clinton. Plus, even around here, the overwhelming amount of the talk has been about race/gender spats (ALL created by Team Clinton), and very little about the candidate’s proposals. Do you know about Obama’s plan to utilize the Internet and new technologies to make government much more transparent than ever in history? Do you know about his plan for reducing lobbyist influence? Not everything is perfect from Obama, even Paul Krugman will say his plans are going in the right direction.
http://venturebeat.com/2007/11…..y-officer/
Instead, we know every little detail about every supporter of every campaign says at any moment of time, and we’re parsing she said/he said arguments. More politics as usual. It’s the only game the Clintons know.
Here’s a guy that gets himself into this position all on his own, overcoming huge societal barriers in the process, and if elected will be one of the great American success stories, and for the most part never compromising his integrity (This Rezko land deal is Whitewater all over again, only on a much, much smaller scale). I’d say he probably knows what he’s doing.
If Hillary’s on the ticket, I’m voting for the Green Party candidate.
Actually race does matter when it matters. What I mean by that, it matters when the issue directly involves race regarding discrimination and inequality. Using race-baiting as a proxy for disruption is the issue here. Campaigns fall for it every time. And the MSM knows it.
Our liberal media at work.
TrumanDem
Truman’s Conscience
“The Buck Stopped Here”
MSNBC and NBC also known as General Electric, gov’t contractor has Joe Scarboro this morning saying that there is a “racewar” going on in the Democratic party. Can we step away from this sh**?
I think it is obvious what is going on. Lets not repeat these lies.
So, I would have thought this impossible 3 months ago, but…is this the moment Al Gore has been waiting for?
Yes they are, kind of.
The press wants to see a repub. president because of all the corporate consolidation and hey repubs like big business.
To ensure that a repub is president, the media knows that the democrats have to have a weak candidate. That is why I believe Obama is getting very favorable and soft treatment from the media and Clinton is getting unfavorable and harsh treatment-strike that- Clinton is getting the kind of treatment every candidate shoud get by the media. Clinton treatment should be the gold standard in presidential vetting.
There are at least there Obama issues that the media should be asking and reporting on 1) his present votes, 2) his senate subcommittee chairmanship , and 3) whether his NH chairperson is a lobbyist (the whole state vs federal lobby is absurd). The reason why these issues need to be explored is 1) in the general the repubs will 2) they all speak to his whole campaign platform.
Now, I challenge anyone to name one Hillary issue that has not been fully vetted/explored the media.
cue crickets
Yeah, Clinton and Obama would be pissed because each just wants to be President. Since they both drink and pee the same Kool Aide there is no real reason not be on the same ticket (voting record when the show up & countries they want to bomb are 98% the same).
If it was about policy and moving forward they would do well to put at least nominal checks on their ego. If only they had this much zest for policy discussion or telling the country where (or even how) they planned to lead.
Fiengold / Edward Markey 2008!
Have some doers with a plan and work ethic. Not another George Bush like person trying to pad their resume.
Or more simply you could get Edwards onto the ticket (a doer with plans).
I’m going to stay on topic and focus on the “racial” charges (However, the lobbyist issue is one for Obama since he’s the one that made a big deal about not hiring lobbyists and then denying it on camera when Clinton correctly called him out). How can you honestly say that comments have not been purposely distorted?
Clearly you have not checked the memo. They specifically discuss how race has been politicized and include distortions, most blatantly the “fairy tale” comment being taken out of context (Yes, repeating Brazille’s assertions that the comment was directed at his candidacy does just that).
In the memo, the Obama campaign says Cuomo was referring to the Illinois senator. Again, my previous post provides a link that shows that’s not true.
On Shaheen: the memo includes Trippi’s remarks that Shaheen said “cocaine” (which is now racist, apparently) repeatedly, which just isn’t true. The man said it once (Check out Media Matters for a transcript).
And the press is anti-Clinton or, at the very least, pro-Obama, which has been proven time and time again with the double standard (Obama is God!) and most recently with regard to his own damn staff and supporter making baseless racially charged comments (Again, it has been stated in my previous comment and this original FDL post). This was not the first time (D-Punjab). If Clinton’s staff and a surrogate did what Clinton did you’d be up in arms about it, but when Obama does it people rationalize it.
I meant to say:
Trippi states that Shaheen said “cocaine” repeatedly, which is not true. He said it once.
And here’s the full “fairy tale” quote (in context, which shows it was directed at Obama’s Iraq record):
http://www.swamppolitics.com/n…..s_the.html
Cry at the keyboard, its more efficient.
You seemed to have missed my central point, or I didn’t make it clear enough if that makes you feel better. Many of us in the Netroots are falling into the trap of bickering about “surrogates” (the word of the week apparently) and what they did or did not say. Most surrogates of campaigns at that level are unpaid and likely to have talked to the candidate very briefly if at all. This is why I rarely criticize any candidate for what their supporters say, and will only criticize the candidate if the attack seems coordinated with the main campaign, or with what the candidate him or herself is saying.
This is precisely the type of “debate” that has been pissing me off for years now. Starting after Iowa, the Clintons THEMSELVES, not just surrogates, have been extremely condescending toward Obama as a person. This is Warshington politics as we know it, and it’s the only game the Clintons know. I feel it doesn’t have to be this way, and I’m happy Obama is at least talking about this and seems to be making an effort to do things differently.
I did reread the supposed Obama memo, which was never actually released and written by a self-proclaimed “South Carolina Press Secretary,” and stand by what I said earlier. After two minutes of searches, I could find several links to support what I was saying, and then realized I would much rather prefer to look for policy differences instead.
By the way, when you were looking to see how many times Shaheen said “cocaine,” and what exactly Edwards adviser Trippi said about that, did you happen to find time look at Obama’s Technology Plan to make government more transparent than ever before, and if Clinton has any similar proposals? If so, I’d like to know more about that.
Just did a search for “obama present votes” and the first page shows reports about this from MSNBC, Chi Sun Times, NY Times, ABC, and Chi Trib blog, in addition to other blogs. A few pages in shows this from Media Matters, which shows that a WaPoo article, which was similar to many of the above ones, was distorting some of Obama’s past record:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712140004
Not only that, the second page has a HuffPo story where the Illinois, not the national, Planned Parenthood folks came out to defend Obama’s present votes in Illinois as part of a strategy they came up with together, and the PP folks said it worked tremendously: (Clinton has been specifically bringing up this Illinois stuff)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..sent-votes
Now Hillary has missed 103 votes this year while Obama has missed 166, and this bothers me. I heard him talk about this recently but can’t remember exactly what he said.
Yea, that’s not cool. He can’t use the Prez Race excuse here, since Clinton has had meetings for her Subcommittee
http://www.salon.com/opinion/c…..ma_europe/
This guy is one of four in one small state. I wonder how many people have official titles within a campaign that large. Plus, Hillary was trying say he was violating his own rule, which he was not. Whatever the case, it’s certainly not a pattern for Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..53456.html
Of course Hillary is off the charts with lobbyists on staff, but claims that’s fine since she thinks lobbyists are cool. I don’t.
As far as the media being pro-Any Democrat, I think that’s silly. When searching for Present votes for Hillary, it took quite a while to weed through all the articles with Hillary’s attacks on Obama’s votes before I could find anything about Hillary’s present votes. How many people understand the difference between Kyl-LieberME! and the vote Obama supported along with Chris Dodd and Ed Kennedy about Iran?
How about Hillary’s views on torture?
http://www.alarmingnews.com/archives/005264.html
There was a big vote this last year where where Hillary voted with the Repubes when only a few Dems voted with them. Can’t remember off-hand what it was, but FDL did a story about about, and everyone was shocked. Didn’t hear that in the BigMedia at all.
This could go on and on, but since you asked for just one example, I’ll stop here since I gotta run.
Okay, let us see how much it is brought up at the debate tonight.