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	<title>Comments on: Timmeh Smackdown?  Sweeeeet!</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1202261</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf, told Bush that he took it “deadly seriously” when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spock eyebrow raise — Fascinating!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>U.S. Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, commander of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf, told Bush that he took it “deadly seriously” when an Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged at and threatened to blow up a three-ship U.S. Navy convoy passing near Iranian waters. The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire.</p>
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<p>Spock eyebrow raise — Fascinating!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1202237</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am a one issue voter–Iraq–and I cannot forgive her (or Edwards, or Kerry) for the AUMF vote. I am shocked at how willingly liberals have forgotten Iraq and the votes of those who authorized it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dunno about Liberals&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m a Progressive Dem and my view is that it was a political vote KKKarl Rove put before them to discredit anyone who voted ‘weak’ and to trap anyone who voted for it. Of course it worked, as these petty things always do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Further, I accept Hillary’s position that she voted for it based on the details and that Bush violated it. That’s fine by me. I don’t accept her continued support of the war until the campaign made it impossible for her politically.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I accept Edwards ‘apology’. He said Elizabeth warned him to vote against it and he was uncertain. It was an unpleasant situation I’m sure. KKKarl meant for it to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am a one issue voter–Iraq–and I cannot forgive her (or Edwards, or Kerry) for the AUMF vote. I am shocked at how willingly liberals have forgotten Iraq and the votes of those who authorized it.</p>
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<p>dunno about Liberals</p>
<p>I’m a Progressive Dem and my view is that it was a political vote KKKarl Rove put before them to discredit anyone who voted ‘weak’ and to trap anyone who voted for it. Of course it worked, as these petty things always do.</p>
<p>Further, I accept Hillary’s position that she voted for it based on the details and that Bush violated it. That’s fine by me. I don’t accept her continued support of the war until the campaign made it impossible for her politically.</p>
<p>I accept Edwards ‘apology’. He said Elizabeth warned him to vote against it and he was uncertain. It was an unpleasant situation I’m sure. KKKarl meant for it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1202184</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If she was against the war, why did she support it for 3 years? What does this say about her, her judgment, her leadership?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That it’s as nonexistent as the man in Obama’s beautifully tailored suit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If she was against the war, why did she support it for 3 years? What does this say about her, her judgment, her leadership?</p>
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<p>That it’s as nonexistent as the man in Obama’s beautifully tailored suit.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1202167</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;we had eight years of the Clintons- and I would expect the second eight years to be about like the first.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we had four years of George H W Bush and I expected another term by Dubya would be about like the first.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>we had eight years of the Clintons- and I would expect the second eight years to be about like the first.</p>
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<p>we had four years of George H W Bush and I expected another term by Dubya would be about like the first.</p>
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		<title>By: factotum</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1201746</link>
		<dc:creator>factotum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forget that I’m a one issue voter. Let’s pretend that I’m a nine issue voter. (This strikes me as a sufficient number for a properly nuanced point of view). As a nine issue voter, I promise you I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary because of her AUMF vote. That’s why I voted for Nader instead of Kerry in 2004. I have very few iron clad principles generally, but voting to start a war that everyone with half a brain knew was based on sexed up intelligence is for me, unforgiveable. I have no choice but to vote for Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget that I’m a one issue voter. Let’s pretend that I’m a nine issue voter. (This strikes me as a sufficient number for a properly nuanced point of view). As a nine issue voter, I promise you I still wouldn’t vote for Hillary because of her AUMF vote. That’s why I voted for Nader instead of Kerry in 2004. I have very few iron clad principles generally, but voting to start a war that everyone with half a brain knew was based on sexed up intelligence is for me, unforgiveable. I have no choice but to vote for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Dick shot him and then I had him stuffed as a surprise.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;caption contest late&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Dick shot him and then I had him stuffed as a surprise.”</p>
<p>caption contest late</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding your second point. The Shiites are a substantial majority in the Southern Gulf States despite the leadership being Sunni. From the eastern borders of Saudi Arabia and the emirates - 75% is  Shi’ite. The oil-rich Hasa region in Saudi Arabia, that stretches from the Kuwaiti border to the Qatar border, has been occupied by Shi’ites since the 10th century. The workforce of the Saudi oilfields is 70% Shi’ite.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kuwait is just north of Hasa. 25%-30% of Kuwaitis are Shi’ite In Qatar 25% of the population is Shi’ite. 65%t of Bahrain is a Shi’ite rural proletariat. Sunnis are urban and in power, Shi’ites are poor and marginalized. Even before the Islamic revolution in 1979, Iran insisted that Shi’ites in Bahrain were Iranian as was Bahrain, since the Safavid dynasty used to occupy both coasts of the Persian Gulf. Tehran considers Bahrain an Iranian province. The Shi’ite majority in Bahrain has frequently rebelled from Sunni oppression- and Bahrain has been assisted by, who else, Saudi Arabia. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The wealthy United Arab Emirates has only 6% Shiite populace. But they are surrounded by a sea of Shiite discontent with Sunni overseers. The situation is not a whole lot different than how Saddam managed his Shiite population.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your second point. The Shiites are a substantial majority in the Southern Gulf States despite the leadership being Sunni. From the eastern borders of Saudi Arabia and the emirates &#8211; 75% is  Shi’ite. The oil-rich Hasa region in Saudi Arabia, that stretches from the Kuwaiti border to the Qatar border, has been occupied by Shi’ites since the 10th century. The workforce of the Saudi oilfields is 70% Shi’ite.  </p>
<p>Kuwait is just north of Hasa. 25%-30% of Kuwaitis are Shi’ite In Qatar 25% of the population is Shi’ite. 65%t of Bahrain is a Shi’ite rural proletariat. Sunnis are urban and in power, Shi’ites are poor and marginalized. Even before the Islamic revolution in 1979, Iran insisted that Shi’ites in Bahrain were Iranian as was Bahrain, since the Safavid dynasty used to occupy both coasts of the Persian Gulf. Tehran considers Bahrain an Iranian province. The Shi’ite majority in Bahrain has frequently rebelled from Sunni oppression- and Bahrain has been assisted by, who else, Saudi Arabia. </p>
<p>The wealthy United Arab Emirates has only 6% Shiite populace. But they are surrounded by a sea of Shiite discontent with Sunni overseers. The situation is not a whole lot different than how Saddam managed his Shiite population.</p>
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		<title>By: glennmcgahee</title>
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		<dc:creator>glennmcgahee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am so happy to read Christy’s take on Sen. Clinton’s appearance on Meet the Press. She handled it brilliantly and I was relieved. My concern and hope has always been that she can take on the Republicans in the general election. We know and after what they put the Clinton’s through during the 8 years that President Clinton was in office, she sure is vetted. Could they come up with anything new that hasn’t already been used? When Sen. Obama talks in generalities and acts as though the one America stuff is just gonna happen ia a “fairy tale”. The right wing is a machine AND A DANGEROUS ONE that isn’t gonna let Obama get away with just inspirational messages. They don’t play in public, it will be a whisperin campaign against him, whether they use racial or religious rumors. Thats their specialty. He is a great orator but I can’t bring myself to vote for a man emulating a southern baptist preacher, even with gospel singing (Donnie McClurkin is still in tow). Not now. We can’t go down a secular  road of old time religion when we have these global issues confronting us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so happy to read Christy’s take on Sen. Clinton’s appearance on Meet the Press. She handled it brilliantly and I was relieved. My concern and hope has always been that she can take on the Republicans in the general election. We know and after what they put the Clinton’s through during the 8 years that President Clinton was in office, she sure is vetted. Could they come up with anything new that hasn’t already been used? When Sen. Obama talks in generalities and acts as though the one America stuff is just gonna happen ia a “fairy tale”. The right wing is a machine AND A DANGEROUS ONE that isn’t gonna let Obama get away with just inspirational messages. They don’t play in public, it will be a whisperin campaign against him, whether they use racial or religious rumors. Thats their specialty. He is a great orator but I can’t bring myself to vote for a man emulating a southern baptist preacher, even with gospel singing (Donnie McClurkin is still in tow). Not now. We can’t go down a secular  road of old time religion when we have these global issues confronting us.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The one issue voter points to a serious flaw with the democratic system of government.  And, you’re absolutely right in the point you’re making.  But, the challenge for me is how to offer such a voter a different perspective, without being condescending or insulting them.  I don’t think people generally are open to hearing a perspective they disagree with if I’m thinking or expressing my judgments about them.  The common reaction is to get defensive and attack or tune out and shut down.  And that defeats the desired end of having a more informed and discerning electorate.  What do you think?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one issue voter points to a serious flaw with the democratic system of government.  And, you’re absolutely right in the point you’re making.  But, the challenge for me is how to offer such a voter a different perspective, without being condescending or insulting them.  I don’t think people generally are open to hearing a perspective they disagree with if I’m thinking or expressing my judgments about them.  The common reaction is to get defensive and attack or tune out and shut down.  And that defeats the desired end of having a more informed and discerning electorate.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/13/timmeh-smackdown-sweeeeet/#comment-1201447</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“The Iranian naval forces vanished as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire. (Iran has vanishing stealth Boston Whaler boats)”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or, a Romulan cloaking device.  lol&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>or, a Romulan cloaking device.  lol</p>
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