Comments on: Morality and Health Care in the US: Let the Lazy Buggers Die http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:56:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Erik http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1201319 Erik Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:27:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1201319 <p>Hello, Links you want, here are some I have found:</p> <p> In this link Ezra Klein analyzes how our own VA, CAnada and other nations handle health care (hint it’s not socialized medicine versus private health care):<br /> <a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_health_of_nations" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospect.org/cs/art.....of_nations</a> </p> <p>Chart of health care spending versus longevity:<br /> <a href="http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/modules/teach_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/modules/teach_1.html</a> </p> <p> Business week article on the French health care system (and it is a no brainer, the French do it better for much less money):<br /> <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/ma.....042070.htm</a></p> <p>US health care worst of 19 developed nations<br /> <a href="http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/73333/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/73333/</a></p> <p> United Health Care CEO pay<br /> <a href="http://www.alternet.org/workplace/71240/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/workplace/71240/</a></p> <p>Please share these.</p> <p>Erik</p> Hello, Links you want, here are some I have found:

In this link Ezra Klein analyzes how our own VA, CAnada and other nations handle health care (hint it’s not socialized medicine versus private health care):
http://www.prospect.org/cs/art…..of_nations

Chart of health care spending versus longevity:
http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/modules/teach_1.html

Business week article on the French health care system (and it is a no brainer, the French do it better for much less money):
http://www.businessweek.com/ma…..042070.htm

US health care worst of 19 developed nations
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/73333/

United Health Care CEO pay
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/71240/

Please share these.

Erik

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1201178 Ian Welsh Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:18:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1201178 <p>Most of the basic research is indeed done in universities, at more cost than the “clinical trials”. It would be cheaper for everyone involved to just hire governemnt scientists to turn them into medicine and run them through the FDA - after all, there wouldn’t be the 2X marketing costs, plus the duplication in “me too” drugs.</p> <p>Doctors are well paid, but a lot depends on specialty and your location. GPs, for example, are not that well paid comparatively and there is shaping up to be a real shortage of them, especially in rural areas and smaller cities. And there’s more to happiness than money, a lot of doctors are very unhappy with how much control they have lost over thier own practices to the insurance companies.</p> <p>I believe law is the other place they stick the best and brightest.</p> <p>I notice they don’t send them into science or engineering. Says a lot.</p> Most of the basic research is indeed done in universities, at more cost than the “clinical trials”. It would be cheaper for everyone involved to just hire governemnt scientists to turn them into medicine and run them through the FDA – after all, there wouldn’t be the 2X marketing costs, plus the duplication in “me too” drugs.

Doctors are well paid, but a lot depends on specialty and your location. GPs, for example, are not that well paid comparatively and there is shaping up to be a real shortage of them, especially in rural areas and smaller cities. And there’s more to happiness than money, a lot of doctors are very unhappy with how much control they have lost over thier own practices to the insurance companies.

I believe law is the other place they stick the best and brightest.

I notice they don’t send them into science or engineering. Says a lot.

]]> By: JamesJoyce http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200921 JamesJoyce Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:49:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200921 <p>Great article and posts in response. Keep it up…</p> Great article and posts in response. Keep it up…

]]> By: Synoia http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200906 Synoia Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:06:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200906 <p>As I understand it most research is done in Universities, paid for by the NIH. Drug companies take the publically paid for research items and take them through the expensive clinical trials….</p> <p>Please correct me if I’m wrong…</p> <p>The “health care/medical care” issue is (greed) money.</p> <p>1. Doctors are the highest net wealth group in the US, and don’t want to loose money. I know of no other profession where a doctor can graduate with $200,000 in debt at 28, and then earn enough to retire at 40.</p> <p>I have a high schooler, and I’m surprised by the slant in the schools here to steer the “best and the brightest” into medicine.</p> <p>2. Insurance is probably the second most profitable industry sector, after banking.</p> <p>The US has a very sick social system, and conservatism is used to manipulate the system to preserve wealth.</p> <p>A interesting solution would be for the winning democratic presidential candidate to reach out and ask Huckabee to become th vice president on the election ticket. Huckabee becuse he represents the socially conservative poor.</p> As I understand it most research is done in Universities, paid for by the NIH. Drug companies take the publically paid for research items and take them through the expensive clinical trials….

Please correct me if I’m wrong…

The “health care/medical care” issue is (greed) money.

1. Doctors are the highest net wealth group in the US, and don’t want to loose money. I know of no other profession where a doctor can graduate with $200,000 in debt at 28, and then earn enough to retire at 40.

I have a high schooler, and I’m surprised by the slant in the schools here to steer the “best and the brightest” into medicine.

2. Insurance is probably the second most profitable industry sector, after banking.

The US has a very sick social system, and conservatism is used to manipulate the system to preserve wealth.

A interesting solution would be for the winning democratic presidential candidate to reach out and ask Huckabee to become th vice president on the election ticket. Huckabee becuse he represents the socially conservative poor.

]]> By: ralphbon http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200398 ralphbon Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:23:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200398 <blockquote><p>It’s health insurance on the car insurance model.<br /> Anyone here happy with their car insurance?</p></blockquote> <p>I’ve got a pretty good idea how Geico will respond if my mechanic says my Honda needs a liver.</p>

It’s health insurance on the car insurance model.
Anyone here happy with their car insurance?

I’ve got a pretty good idea how Geico will respond if my mechanic says my Honda needs a liver.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200358 Ian Welsh Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:52:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200358 <p>It’s health insurance on the car insurance model.</p> <p>Anyone here happy with their car insurance?</p> It’s health insurance on the car insurance model.

Anyone here happy with their car insurance?

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200353 Ian Welsh Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:49:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200353 <p>Not just that, but pharma spend twice as much money on marketing as research. And most of their research is on palliatives rather than cures, since curing someone means you no longer have a customer. The incentives are completely perverse. Most drug research should be done by universities and should not be patentable (use some rewards to direct research if you wish, but no patents.)</p> Not just that, but pharma spend twice as much money on marketing as research. And most of their research is on palliatives rather than cures, since curing someone means you no longer have a customer. The incentives are completely perverse. Most drug research should be done by universities and should not be patentable (use some rewards to direct research if you wish, but no patents.)

]]> By: newtonusr http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200342 newtonusr Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:40:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200342 <p>Ian!<br /> Great post.</p> Ian!
Great post.

]]> By: Phoenix Woman http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200339 Phoenix Woman Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:39:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200339 <p>Hi, Ian!</p> Hi, Ian!

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200338 Ian Welsh Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:39:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/morality-and-health-care-in-the-us-let-the-lazy-buggers-die/#comment-1200338 <p>My apologies for missing most of the comments. I see you guys had a good conversation without me. I’ll write more on health care in the future and make sure to be around for the conversation.</p> My apologies for missing most of the comments. I see you guys had a good conversation without me. I’ll write more on health care in the future and make sure to be around for the conversation.

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