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	<title>Comments on: Media Pundits:  Insulting Voters Now, Because Being Wrong Wasn&#8217;t Enough</title>
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		<title>By: MyrtleJune</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/12/media-pundits-insulting-voters-now-because-being-wrong-wasnt-enough/#comment-1200443</link>
		<dc:creator>MyrtleJune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m wondering what you think of the recount? I’m glad to see it happening now in this early primary stage. It certainly can’t hurt. Or can it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I fully agree with Brokaw that they should be covering, not predicting. That’s quite a large amount to be off really. While I disapprove of Hillary’s ploy, I don’t believe it could have made an overnight switch that big. Some reports I’d read the day after had women slapping back at the media more than sympathy for Hillary. Either way, I found it unacceptable in this election. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It could be a combination of the the media waking up to the fact they aren’t driving this bus…. as they did before the voting began, faulty or tampered with voting machine memory cards, and slight percentage of people, men and women, who were hoodwinked by the tearful tireness ploy. Perhaps, a hand count could put the actual vote totals closer to their polling data? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s no law that says one has to be truthful to polling entities and I find no value in what the polls say anyway. They’re a tool the media uses to drive their agenda and campaigns use to tinker with their manipulations of the voters. I also think there should be a voluntary hand count in every state to verify these machines and not wait until the general comes off close. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting to see which the recount supports the polls or the actual votes as reported. Regardless, I’d be happy if they’d return to covering, not predicting. That would be helpful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, </p>
<p>I’m wondering what you think of the recount? I’m glad to see it happening now in this early primary stage. It certainly can’t hurt. Or can it?</p>
<p>I fully agree with Brokaw that they should be covering, not predicting. That’s quite a large amount to be off really. While I disapprove of Hillary’s ploy, I don’t believe it could have made an overnight switch that big. Some reports I’d read the day after had women slapping back at the media more than sympathy for Hillary. Either way, I found it unacceptable in this election. </p>
<p>It could be a combination of the the media waking up to the fact they aren’t driving this bus…. as they did before the voting began, faulty or tampered with voting machine memory cards, and slight percentage of people, men and women, who were hoodwinked by the tearful tireness ploy. Perhaps, a hand count could put the actual vote totals closer to their polling data? </p>
<p>There’s no law that says one has to be truthful to polling entities and I find no value in what the polls say anyway. They’re a tool the media uses to drive their agenda and campaigns use to tinker with their manipulations of the voters. I also think there should be a voluntary hand count in every state to verify these machines and not wait until the general comes off close. </p>
<p>Interesting to see which the recount supports the polls or the actual votes as reported. Regardless, I’d be happy if they’d return to covering, not predicting. That would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynSanAntone</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarilynSanAntone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Watch out!  Dave will get you.  It’s “for us two Demos”…object of the preposition, ya know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch out!  Dave will get you.  It’s “for us two Demos”…object of the preposition, ya know.</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nighty nite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nighty nite.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This has been going on for years. There was a jaw-dropping article in the Washington Post during the impeachment quoting various insiders explaining why the voters signally declined to be outraged and demand Clinton’s head. Cokie “as a mother” Roberts, I remember, was of the opinion that it was because DC insiders are more moral than voters and care more about honest government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Big supporter of our current administration, Ms. Roberts is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course it’s our fault. They’re wise, and we should vote the way they tell us to (and the way their wise consultant friends push us to). It’s absolutely our fault they don’t give us information about issues and cover inconvenient candidates (and thanks so much to Little Debbie for admitting it) if we’re not going to use the information to arrive at an acceptable conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been going on for years. There was a jaw-dropping article in the Washington Post during the impeachment quoting various insiders explaining why the voters signally declined to be outraged and demand Clinton’s head. Cokie “as a mother” Roberts, I remember, was of the opinion that it was because DC insiders are more moral than voters and care more about honest government.</p>
<p>Big supporter of our current administration, Ms. Roberts is.</p>
<p>Of course it’s our fault. They’re wise, and we should vote the way they tell us to (and the way their wise consultant friends push us to). It’s absolutely our fault they don’t give us information about issues and cover inconvenient candidates (and thanks so much to Little Debbie for admitting it) if we’re not going to use the information to arrive at an acceptable conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post, Christy&lt;br /&gt;
Just spotlighted it to a bunch of (print) political editors/correspondents.&lt;br /&gt;
Off to Media&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;Jane is upstairs!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Funnydiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Christy<br />
Just spotlighted it to a bunch of (print) political editors/correspondents.<br />
Off to Media</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Jane is upstairs!</p>
<p>Funnydiva</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;gettin’ late over here in Dresden. ‘nite mui (sweet thang….)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gettin’ late over here in Dresden. ‘nite mui (sweet thang….)</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have fun and &lt;strike&gt;cry&lt;/strike&gt; moist-up.&lt;br /&gt;
I saw the clip and thought she was genuine.&lt;br /&gt;
And, I’ve heard she’s much better with small groups than Big Speeches, in terms of being human.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun and <strike>cry</strike> moist-up.<br />
I saw the clip and thought she was genuine.<br />
And, I’ve heard she’s much better with small groups than Big Speeches, in terms of being human.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;but maybe Lamont’s support isn’t connected to DLC influence ……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but maybe Lamont’s support isn’t connected to DLC influence ……</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But yeah, that means he can’t advocate for anyone in the primaries, though he’s been on TV a few times talking about how great all of our candidates are compared to the other side.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well that’s true. The Republikan candidates are all freaks. Withthem we get eternal war, no rule of law and a creationist science education, that makes even the Iranians laugh at us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But yeah, that means he can’t advocate for anyone in the primaries, though he’s been on TV a few times talking about how great all of our candidates are compared to the other side.</p>
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<p>Well that’s true. The Republikan candidates are all freaks. Withthem we get eternal war, no rule of law and a creationist science education, that makes even the Iranians laugh at us.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John Edwards campaign rally on CNN!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Edwards campaign rally on CNN!</p>
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