The media is now blaming voters — particularly women – for the fact that the pundits got it wrong. Yep, the media wants to tell you it is your fault that their analysis was off. Just when you thought political coverage could not get more asinine…it does.
The psychobabble on the "crying that wasn’t" continues unabated. Columns from Judith Warner and from Eli Saslow are somewhat insulting, since their constructed narrative – that women primarily vote with their emotions or their gender – echos the "too emotional" prejudices that womens’ suffrage advocates already fought. Elizabeth Cady Stanton would be having a field day.
Here’s some truth: there are people who will or will not vote for Hillary Clinton because she’s a woman. (Or just because she’s a Clinton, but that’s a whole other level of analysis.) Just are there are people who will or will not vote for Barack Obama because he’s black. Or John Edwards because he was a successful plantiff’s attorney. Or Mike Huckabee because he’s a self-styled outspoken evangelical. Or…you get the picture.
But do not present a wholesale template of any one gender, philosophical or ethnic group as voting in a bloc. Why? Because this year, a LOT of voters don’t want spoon-fed stereotypes and pre-fab narratives from a media more interested in handicapping personalities than talking issues and substance.
If the media is scratching their heads and wondering why, I give them exhibit A: "Would you rather have a beer with George Bush or Al Gore?" Look where that got us.
Obviously, racial and gender bias and superficial media reportage are problems. Just see this from Pam Spaulding on Obama and race for starters. Or this from Media Matters on the Edwards’ haircut press idiocy. Or this more recent example from Dan Balz on Edwards, wherein he calls Edwards a "forgotten man" in the campaign without ever acknowledging the media’s role in not giving him coverage. (Hello, chicken? I have an egg for you.) Or pretty much anything out of Chris Matthews’ mouth on Hillary Clinton, a passle of idiocy from a single source. (If you are so inclined, Media Matters needs your help in demanding better from MSNBC.)
Or this, from the Warner column:
But if victory came for the reasons we’ve been led to believe – because women voters ultimately saw in her, exhausted and near defeat, a countenance that mirrored their own – then I hate what that victory says about the state of their lives and the nature of the emotions they carry forward into this race. I hate the thought that women feel beaten down, backed into a corner, overwhelmed and near to breaking point, as Hillary appeared to be in the debate Saturday night. And I hate even more that they’ve got to see a strong, smart and savvy woman cut down to size before they can embrace her as one of their own.
I call bullshit. Sure, some women may have been drawn to the melting of the "ice queen" narrative that the media has been peddling so assiduously for years. But not all: the woman who asked Sen. Clinton "the question" at the coffee shop voted for Sen. Obama. And, in what may be considered a miracle by pundits, female voters in New Hampshire interviewed by the Boston Globe spent time considering…issues. *GASP!* To wit:
McAllister also "really wanted to hear from his lips what he was going to do about the war, education, and healthcare, and he didn’t do that." Instead of offering specifics, Obama kept his inspirational oratory at the level of Democratic generalities. And he didn’t entertain questions. And so, in important ways, he took New Hampshire’s political traditions for granted.
McAllister ultimately chose Clinton’s conversational, specifics-filled approach.
"The final struggle was between heart and head," she told me. "I chose head because I think Hillary has the best chance to bring change."
Donna d’Hemecourt, a Concord Democrat and interior designer, left a Friday Obama rally in Concord planning to vote for him. But over the next two days, Clinton "made a good strong case," says d’Hemecourt, who was particularly impressed after reading a friend’s e-mail containing some of the answers Clinton gave at a Portsmouth event. "I ended up voting for Hillary Clinton," she said. "She was very specific…."
Here’s a clue: Don’t pigeonhole voters, we have our own opinions as individuals, thank you. And we don’t need your endless loop of Pat Schroederism redux as a means to validate your inaccurate reportage so that you can save face. (In today’s episode, L’il Debbie executes a triple Luntz of CYA proportions.)
Don’t patronize voters — we aren’t in the mood. This election is too important to our nation’s future — we have a lot of difficult issues to tackle for all of our sakes. No continued trivializing with petty personality tabloid idocy without a fight. It isn’t our fault that you historically have trouble responding to substance, but don’t paint us with your short attention spans.
But hey, according to too many media folks, we girlies only think about who we most feel sorry for when we vote. Especially if there are non -existant tears in the event in question. But I have to stop typing now. All this thinking makes my pretty little head hurt. I’m going to go and eat some bon-bons and get back to "As The Tweety Churns." Great soap opera…




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ZED!
And yes, those minature almost flourless chocolate fudge cupcake bonbons with whipped cream and raspberry topping do look delish…
Hello, Christy…
Ah yes, the third rail of identity politics once again rears its head and comes to the center of US politics…
Insulting voters is yet another strategy for MSM to keep itself in business. Not.
PhysioProf-answered your Q at the bottom of last thread.
Off now. See ya later.
The media loves to patronize voters. It’s all about them. Remember Kyra Phillips and her bathroom tirade? Look at Joke Line over at Swampland today. Look at the fact that a lot of media parroted the Boosh talking points on that Straight of Hormuz incident this week. They didn’t do any investigation before they ran with it. It’s sick and sad. They all ought to be fired(except for KO).
Yes, you’d think since they rely on those readers and/or viewers for all that copious advertising revenue, ratings, and circulation numbers, they wouldn’t be so damned dense about insulting us. Apparently, not so much…
SIGH
Hi, Christy!
These mainstream media ratfuckers really piss me off. Why oh why does the entire nation have to suffer because Tweety couldn’t get a date for the senior prom? They know deep down inside that they are shallow unlikable assholes, and so they do everything in their power to reduce the rest of humanity to their pitiful level.
You know the really annoying part of it? I’ve spoken with a number of them who are very, very knowledgeable about the subjects on which they report. But their reports get dumbed down and watered down at the editorial level far too often. Beyond frustrating…
But, but, I thought you voted for a protective father figure! *g
Well, it appears Lil Debbie is reflective of those editors who do the dumbing down.
Right….thousands and thousands of women voters lied to the pollsters. Dream on.
Now, let me see who or what would be most likely to lie…
Not the voters.
*snerk* You made me spew my tea…
Hi Christy. I am so tired of the corporate media telling us who we should like or not like in politics, and even more sick of how they completely ignore the “2nd tier” candidates such that most people have never heard of any of them.
The voting block that is most worrisome is the South. They vote for the Republics, time after time, no matter who the Republics run. They even voted for Bush who obviously pretends to be one of them as much as he pretends to be Christian. Self interest is never a factor for voters in the South.
There, there, Christy.
*g*
or the Michael Abramowits kuwait story in the WAPO today quoting Bush on the success of teh surge.
never mentions how many have died and how much was spent in the past 12 months to secure what? NEVER mentions it.
too hard to do?
or you dont get the connection….
I cant even imagine what went through his head of the three editors who read that story to not have a graf saying that since the surge began 2/1/07 836 US servicemen have died and the US has spent 85-100 billion in Iraq on military operations.
that was easy to do.
Why don’t they just close up shop and declare McCain or Thompson the next preszndent. That is where this is all leading.
Yes, Teddy, I know. I just need to take a Midol and lay on the couch for a while…
Where do we move now?
Apathetic Americans continue to puzzle about NH vote ignoring the two major reasons that their elections are quintissential Banana Republic and rob them of their vote. The Apathetic American public yawns while a system is in place that insures you may not have a say on your candidate, and you don’t know if your candidate is still in the race if your vote will count because your state has touch screen voting.
Map of US and Lack of Control of Voting Machines
1) The voting machine situation is egretiously reprehensible and no one is doing a thing about it. There is a bill in the House to mandate funding to force a paper trail. Currently, many super Tuesday states, that’d be 23 states voting, are using touch screen Deibold type votes. The analogy of a touch screen machine, with proprietary software that only a company like Deibold has programmed, allows hacking within five minutes. There is no way to verify what the voter’s intention was.
So despite all this energy in the blogosphere, and all the work to become informed, and keep up to the nanosecond with the election–you–that’s the one reading this–have no clue as to if your vote is being deleted or tampered.
Fate of Edwards’ Supporters Could Be Key
Outlook Grim for Edwards NYT
Edwards Will Face a Moment of Truth After South Carolina Primary WaPo
2) Many people here have worked very hard for John Edwards–have researched positions and selected Edwards as their candidate, and have given hard earned dollars to Edwards. Yet after only one caucus and one primary in two very small states with 92-95% homogenous white voters who do not represent a cross-section of the U.S., Edwards is fighting for his life in the Presidential election. This is egregious and reprehensible.
Many fine candidates have dropped out of the race. This is unthinkable. This happened between January 3, and January 8, and there is no initiative that I know to change this situation. Two large states, Michigan and Florida have their electoral vote situation in flux. That is unthinkable, yet it’s reality.
Diebold is still a possibility that could explain the punditry shock, spin, and shake-up…just sayin’…it’s not like it couldn’t or wouldn’t happen.
The MSM tells us that we are too dumb or lazy to think beyond the adolescent stereotypes they serve to us when in reality it is the MSM who have a problem with the average opinion because they are too dumb and lazy to speak up to their audience.
Vapid is a lovely word. So is Venality.
There are a lot of examples of bad punditry out there. However Chris Matthews stands apart. His whole show is based on psychobabble. Like Rachael Maddow said recently on MSNBC, psychobabble should be used like a spice, occasionally providing a little flavor. It shouldn’t be the main course of a meal. I am sure she had Tweety in mind when she made that comment.
Seriously.
I had already visited Media Matters and fired off my email to MSNBC. I also mentioned Rachel Maddow as a great replacement. In the last two years, I have probably sent 20 emails asking them to fire Matthews. Maybe it doesn’t do any good, but it makes me feel better. :)
This should have read:
The voting situation is egregiously reprehensible with no “t” in egregious as well.
The Apathetic American public yawns while a system is in place that insures you may not have a say on your candidate. You don’t know if your candidate is still in the race, or if your vote will count because your state has touch screen voting.
I’m thinking Midol chased with a couple shots of Scotch
This is as good a place to nitpick as any. “Media” is the plural of “medium”. Television, radio, any newspaper are each a medium (hence McLuhan’s famous claim that “The medium is the message”). Collectively, they are media. Starting your article with sloppy usage undermines it’s effectiveness. Sorry to point that tired nit out, but it’s tired for a reason and writers should know better.
Dave
Saying that voters don’t want to be spoonfed whatever this year begs the question. Would the reaction be ok if they did? Along with race, a central dynamic of American politics is woman hating. If the polls turn out wrong vis a vis a woman candidate, or not enough in-time to pick up changes, then given the opportunity it’s women’s fault. No need to look at the other data, to see that the polls weren’t wrong for the other candidates, or that a number of shifts took place among voters that led to the outcome. Only women count. Then the stereotypical explanations of why start. Even Emily Bazelon over at Slate fell for it. The power of women hating is strong. Welcome to America.
Rachel Maddow would be a good choice. As would David Shuster, who does some good research for his pieces — a refreshing change from the usual dreck, I have to say. They could dump Tucker, too — his four viewers would have to find something else to do with their time, but I’m sure they’d survive…
“its effectiveness”, not “it’s”
Dave
Glad to see your emphasis of the Dan Balz article that Christy also linked to in her post.
I also love how the pundits have painted Democratic women voters as lying racists too. That’s rich.
agreed.
the msm counting out edwards after one primary in a tiny state are the same folks who didnt cover him adequately to begin with; can anyone say self-fulfilling prophecy?
Moyers had this interesting but slightly off guest Shelby Steele on Obama’s candidacy. I suspect Shelby is Republican because he supported the Reagans. But it’s worth reading the transcript I think. Bang your head or revelation? I didn’t like the way that Shelby said in:
Regardless of race or gender we need a “challenger” leader in office, because things don’t look to pretty in New Orleans
I hope he stays in and socks it to ‘em over and over and over at every chance he gets.
you mean we’re not?
We have to be very careful over the next few weeks not to allow the media to adopt an identity politics narrative in reporting the Democratic nomination process.
This Bradley Effect nonsense has allowed them an opportunity to iniate this nasty-malignant narrative and I fear it may be used to ruin our chances in the fall.
LOL
I got the impression, having seen Morning Joe a couple times over the last few weeks, that Joe Scarborough’s sidekick Mika Brzezinski is very intelligent and really hates engaging in the gigglefest. Does this sound right?
If I recall what happened to Mayor Bradley when he ran for governor of CA–I covered it at the time–he was ahead after election day voting and lost in the absentee ballots. at that time, the AB were very heavily Gooper leaning. Not so much now. so the idea that pollsters would have miscalculated depending on when and who they polled, is another factor in this.
She gets her zingers in there sometimes, but they are usually followed up by Joe S. calling her an elitist, etc., he never misses a chance to put her down and paint her as not worthy of credibility or intelligence because of her background. He tries to say it with humor, but it isn’t funny.
FWIW, I believe Christy is covering both Print and TV in her post, which means plural which means the usage of “media” is probably the correct usage.
I wish the abusive pudits would STFU and let us talk about the issues. Or more importantly let the candidates speak for themselves with equal coverage. I think Edwards has been shafted as far as the media coverage goes.
Abuse is telling someone else what they are or how they think.
I don’t need the media to tell me who I am or how I think so STFU Tweety and gang.
It’s very much like it could happen. We have no idea whether the vote is hacked and tampered with and gamed in most states.
Your two posts the other night pushed buttons for me to never forget something I have always known and now see as a major issue confronting this country.
We have to have a sensible system of primary voting. We have to figure out a regional system. You very eloquently spoke to me about one of the two major problems–simply that the majority of people in 48 states do not get a say in who the candidates will be, particularly when their candidate is forced out of the race early.
Brokering votes in the back-room and making deals for delegates and super delegates is another aspect.
We do not have a clue whether the votes are tampered with. Sure people (as LHP has pointed out) can say that you have to have substantive evidence before you can use litigation to examine the votes, but the fact remains as long as the touch screen voting is so prevelant with no paper verfication of every single voter’s intention, we don’t know what could have gone on in the vast majority of states.
No Verified Vote in US Map of Lack of Verification
Congressman Rush Holt, Democrat, New Jersey has proposed a bill to fix voting machines prior to the November 2008 election.
HR 811 Holt Bill To Fix Voting Machines Out of Committee Already
Tell Congress: Fix the Machines!
Further, in some states, the machines have been damaged because they were stored in damp warehouses for years.
We in this house, very much like Mr. Edwards and his lady. If John Edwards does not become president, we will forever wonder… ‘what could have been?’
The 800 pound Gorilla in the room is getting very lonely,you pundits.
I don’t see any of them expounding on the fact that lots of people are extremely pissed off at the Republicans for the melt down in our Democracy over the last seven years and have decided to get off their lazy asses and vote for a change.
look at the turnout for Obama in Iowa and for Hillary in New Hampshire.
The talking heads got rocked back on their heels in Iowa and then got a nice uppercut in New Hampshire after sticking their necks out too far the other way.
Surprise is the word of the day for these people telling us what is and what should be.
New Hampshire should be all the Paul Revere we need!
via The Liberation of Realism by W. Christopher Epler on 1/11/08
(1.) The Republicans are already criminally trashing elections.
(2.) The pugs want the DLC Hillary Clinton robot to be the dem presidential candidate (why not, since she’s a biological clone of George W. Bush!). Plus both the Clinton’s are wanabee elites. Once upon a time Bill was not so bad, but of late he sure spent a lot of time sucking up to Daddy Bush.
In any case, it’s already here: wall to wall election fraud, and New Hampshire is a seabird of the coming tsunami of neocon/Republican 2008 stolen elections — state, congressional, and presidential.
If there was ever a time to mount the barricades, this is it. WE CANNOT LET THE ELITE/FASCISTS STEAL ANOTHER ELECTION.
So, how to we stop it?
We stop it by making it the number one people power policy of the American people.
OT
Don’t know if anyone’s seen this yet, but this is just so Phuqn cool! Play the game Feed the poor.
H/T HEP
I’d like to see one primary day for all the states with all of the candidates who are on the ballots included no matter who they are. I would also like to abolish the electoral voting system. I would also like a mandatory paper trail tracking system if machines are used. That’s for starters.
Her first line is “The media is…”. That’s the basis for the nit. It should be “The media are…”
Dave
Yep. She’s Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter and also an accomplish journalist. She’s bounced around CBS, MSNBC, dropped out for a while, then came back to MSNBC last year.
Yes!
Obama and Hillary. Way too much excitement! For we two Demos.
If “the media” is plural, then the sentences should read “the media are” and “the media want”. However, I think the case can be made that “the media” can be used as a collective noun, and thus take the singular.
(Sorry. I’m a professor; I can’t resist this shit.)
Our house is much like your house in this regard.
You do realize that the end result of a single national primary day is that the leading vote getter would be the one with the most money to pay for ads AND that the result would be no candidate getting the required number of delegates, putting the final decision back into the hands of the folks in the back rooms. Like Steny and Rahm and all the other inside the beltway VSP.
The Notorious Z.B.I.G.
-G
Shows how much they are indeed tyrying to manipulate…oh boo hoo reality did not pan out the way we called it. boo hoo the future occured on its own.
What I hate about all this (rather overt) “If you vote for Clinton, it must be b/c she’s a woman” nonsense is that it will likely psych people out of voting for her just to prove to themselves they’re not biased. When deciding b/w Obama and Clinton, my friends in NH (all young women in their late ’20s) honestly believed HRC was the best candidate, but they had to absolutely convince themselves they weren’t voting for her b/c she was a woman.
All right, I can’t contain this anymore. I’m really sick and tired of people who claim with 100% certainty that the NH primary was hacked. Just absolutely sick of it. It’s disgusting. I’m not talking TO those people, because that is a complete waste of my time. Nothing will ever convince them.
I have personally written to my county officials in PA about our lack of voter verified paper trails. It’s a very important topic to me. But I’m really tired of people who make absolute claims with no evidence. I’m a member of the reality based community. I want evidence, logic, reason and rationality. Not ridiculous woo woo theories.
I had to say that.
The DLC? This little “Democratic” group pisses us off. In a mega way! And Hillary is a major member of the Leadership Team of the DLC. HRC, you’re our girl.
The real narrative is that people do not vote for their own benefit – why…because there is not sufficient truthful and deep information. There is so much scambled info and such loud megaphones to idiots that people rightfully do not trust the information (of through ignorance get messed up Ex. Its between Obama and Huckabee for me know).
I really think the people that are pushing the idea that the NH elections were a fraud are doing far more damage than they realize.
-G
Lahoma says to say hello.
“Media” can be used as plural or singular, depending on the context, as in “maintream media does this all the time….” And: “The media are now blaming…” sounds awkward.
We like Zbig! We like President Carter.
I fear you are right. I really am concerned about the way this narrative is shaping up. It is quite inflammatory and has the potential to get out of hand very quickly, the flames of division are being fanned by “activists” who could very easily be agents provocateur.
The hand of Mr. Rove, perhaps? I hate to give him to much credit, but this is exactly the type of thing he would try to exploit…
I think the point is that ALL our elections should be able to be audited and reviewed and recounted by watchdog groups
To be fair in the discussion both sides should be stated though:
Here’s some truth: there are people who will or will not vote for Hillary Clinton because she’s a woman. (Or just because she’s a Clinton, but that’s a whole other level of analysis.) Just are there are people who will or will not vote for Barack Obama because he’s black. Or John Edwards because he was a successful plantiff’s attorney. Or Mike Huckabee because he’s a self-styled outspoken evangelical. Or…you get the picture.
There are people who will vote for Clinton because she is a woman, Obama because he is black, Edwards because he was a trial lawyer, and Huckabee because he was/is a preacher. What many people know but do not care to dig into is that Hitler could have been a preacher/arian/woman/lawyer and “voted” in anway – and ruled like the devil he was.
I see the grander point, but think balancing the argument with both the sweet and the tart is important.
I think what the press forgets about the primaries is that we are electing delegates to a convention and it is in keeping with history that we could go into a convention with no one having a majority. Why should Edwards get out, except if he runs out of bucks?
Why shouldnt he take his delegates to the convention and work a deal–push the idea of getting out of Iraq asap and push his healthcare proposal, and the undo the Bush tax cuts?
why fold?
Did we read somewhere not too awfully long ago that Jimmy Carter likes John Edwards?
Same here. I am concerned about the hackability of the voting process. But establishing that the process can be hacked is not the same as establishing that it has.
Yep. And I have to ask who benefits if this continues?
Dems cheat – Rs benefit by painting Ds so that they can say “Dems do it too.”
Dems screw Obama – Rs benefit as it says Dems are racist too.
Bottomline, it appears that the Rs are the ones who benefit by all this.
Say hello to Lahoma for me.
True dat!
Oh, and the point being that voting against someone due to skin color or for someone based on skin color could result in the same thing. No doubt that it is more repulsive to vote against someone for that, but just as ignorant to vote for them for that.
You could argue that if you think the entire thing is a waste of time and the most important thing is to send a message or break a ceiling – that you are not voting with ignorance in that case.
Also being trampled on for 100’s of years I am sure can be devestating.
NH has 100% verifiability for cast votes.
-G
Our little boy speaks:
AP – President Bush said Saturday he is open to the possibility of slowing or stopping plans to bring home more U.S. troops from Iraq, defying domestic demands to speed the withdrawals. Updated on war developments, Bush said the U.S. presence in Iraq will outlast his presidency.
Great idea, I like it!
You are so right Christy! Elizabeth Cady Stanton would be having a field day. As soon as she got over the shock that it has taken this long after we won the vote to even have a viable female condidate, she would get to work in her little room in Seneca Falls doing the same kind of writing that allowed Susan B. Anthony to go out there and get some things done.
May they never be forgotten. And I do hope the Clinton campaign has a plan for women’s history month. It’s in March!
Just as planned. Leave that flaming sack of shit for someone else to stomp out.
Vile.
-G
http://www.mockpaperscissors.com/?p=6403
I can press when there needs to be pressed. I can hold hands when there needs to be — hold hands.
— Chimpy McStagger, White House, Jan. 6, 2008
Bush says he would’ve bombed Auschwitz,
Condi comes out later and says, he meant to say he wudda bombed the tracks TO Auschwitz.
Condi–cleaning up after her little pet goat.
From a story by Lindorff about Diebold.
“If all the votes cast had split the way the hand counts split, Obama would have won New Hampshire by over 10,000 votes, instead of losing to Clinton by about 5500 votes.”
Ding, ding, ding!
-G
I see…you’re right, but how is our system now any different then? I just want everyone in the country who votes to have all of the choices remain “on the table” in all states…even if not all on one day, at least all the way until the conventions.
It still pains me to remember how easily the Shadow Government sabotaged the paper ballot in Florida. In theory, every Florida voter got a paper ballot, punched in their favorite candidates, and deposited same in a ballot box. A perfect chain of custody from beginning to end. How more democratic can a voting process be? OK, so there was a hanging chad or two. Out of how many million ballots?
Then up jumped the devil MSM. A couple thousand Jewish voters in Palm Beach County claimed they were misled by the listing of candidates on the ballot. They may have voted for Buck Buchanan. Holy shit! Then the MSM undertook to ridicule this paper ballot 24/7. Hours were spent on TV breathlessly watching a duly appointed commission examine a relatively few ballots. For what? Only the MSM knew, for sure, that something was amiss.
I often wondered how many voters may have soft punched their ballots, or forgot to examine them for hanging chads. Anyway, a wonderfully democratic paper ballot system went up in smoke, all thanks to you know who.
I wish his term would outlast his “prezdinecy” via impeachment. That’s what I wish.
But they didn’t split that way because in general the rural areas have all paper, hand counted ballots and the larger urban areas have all paper machine counted ballots.
Obama carried more of the rural areas, al la Howard Dean. It is about the difference of demographics.
In other words, the rural votes were different than the urban and suburban votes.
-G
You do know that a lot of places use actual paper ballots, marked in ink?
And that it’s the counting software that’s the problem, more than the actual voting machine?
Hey Big Guy (Bush). You are so awsome. And McCain, Romney and Huckebee are awsome too. You guys are real bad asses.
Oh good. They’re paying attention.
Howie has a link the New York Times: DLC Leaders cut Edwards out.
I wish I could give you a perfect system but it is the system we have.
The primaries and caucuses, although folks are apparently voting for an individual, are actually selecting delegates to the state and national party conventions. These delegates are pledged to vote for a specific candidate through (I believe) the first canvass of votes at the National convention. If there is no candidate selected after the first vote, I believe they are then free to vote for anyone which is when all the trading starts. Which is when the average party member is no longer being represented because the back room deals take over.
Yes. But Pelosi and Reid do not inspire confidence, or more importantly, ‘respect’, in this house. Have a good Saturday, LS.
lahoma and me. ;0)
By what mechanism?
Friendly fire, to be sure.
Wishful thinking sigh.
You two have a great Saturday too!!
Bless MSM’s little hearts.
Nor in this one.
DLC leaders cut Edwards out along Howie Klein’s unforgettable comments.
I’m going to go and eat some bon-bons…
I could go for some bon-bons…but, I already had two.
My musical reaction to your post is Greg Alman’s (I’m pretty sure)
I’m Not A Number.
Also, I heard something interesting…that people are going for O and Ms. C’because They want to be part of something Historic.
I thought if that was true, it might answer my question why there aren’t more Edward supporters out there.
Here is one of the universal truths, the more a person talks the more they self-reveal. This is not just for the candidates but applies to media pundits, pollsters, journalists, bloggers, your next door neighbor and your spouse, nevermind oneself. Yep, we talk. We self-reveal.
I find what people are revealing about themselves as they speak about the candidates tells me a lot more. The obession with Hillary’s near-tears. Hummm! What does that tell me about the person obsessed with the subject?
My lady is fixing a late lunch for us. She wants to eat on the back porch ’cause it’s warm here today. She tells me we are having something I really like. Well, that’s great, because I like most everything. You go girl!
Re: the antagonism between race and gender in US politics:
BTW, in the context of social movements mobilized for political (and legal) action in the US, the history of the antagonism between race and gender can traced back to Frederick Douglass and Susan B. Anthony in the 19th century. Anthony initially attempted to unify the African-American and women’s rights movements.
But in 1869, long-time friends Frederick Douglass and Susan B. Anthony split up because of the 15th Amendment to the Constitution granting suffrage to black men in 1870, but not women. Anthony questioned why women should support this amendment when black men were not continuing to show support for women’s voting rights. After that Amendment, Anthony focused almost exclusively on women’s rights and suffrage. In 1920, the 19th Amendment finally granted women the right to vote.
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Columns from Judith Warner and from Eli Saslow are somewhat insulting, since their constructed narrative — that women primarily vote with their emotions or their gender — echos the “too emotional” prejudices that womens’ suffrage advocates already fought.
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To help break down this stereotype further, it turns out that, according to Dr. George Lakoff, human beings cannot reason without the use of emotion, even if/when they’re not aware of it. This isn’t to say that logic and intellect can’t/don’t also play a role, but the constructed narrative that emotions prejudice how people think may as well be applied to everyone on the planet. How do you think Americans of both genders got emotionally manipulated into voting for that failure residing in the White House?
- Tom
Or not so friendly fire at progressives. I wonder if Harold Ford is going to try to take Cohen seat again. Then we have Donna Edwards being attacked. Oh who else? yes John Edwards. People please write tell Lamont to stop the nonsense. My heart will be completely broken if he doesn’t withdraw this incredibly errant endorsement. The DLC did nothing but screw with his campaign. Why help them out?!?
The paper ballots.
Cast a ballot on paper and the ballot is saved.
100% re-countable.
-G
Pass me a bon-bon. Deep chocolate so I get the full impact.
Maybe I am paranoid, but at the root level for me, this primary is not about race or gender for me. It’s about the DLC trying to trump progressives.
That’s good, but it certainly doesn’t mean the system is unhackable.
D – I – N – G!!
Well, both of the top two seem to be acceptable to the DLC.
I fully agree.
Oh Okay here’s the list of endangered blue america via Down with Tyranny:
Blue America is helping to fight to elect progressives like John Laesch (IL-14),Howard Shanker (AZ-01), Victoria Wulsin (OH-02), Congressman Steve Cohen (TN-09), Dennis Shulman (NJ-05), Gretchen Clearwater (IN-09), Sam Bennett (PA-15) in tough primaries against reactionaries and opportunists.
bon bons
Ha! So I can take off my tinfoil hat?
Bee-O!
Thanks for that perspective.
I don’t think I knew that Black Men got the vote before Women did.
Made me think of that John Lennon song…Woman is the N…..
Race and gender sometimes feel like another item on the list of what we use as an excuse to get along.
Not while the repubs are in office!
Misogyny runs deep and wide in the spineless MSM and seems to be getting worse, if that is possible.
Yes, but an unfavorable election result is not evidence of an election theft.
-G
That’s too bad. I love Frederick Douglass’ writing.
We need to come together and support Dr. Bill Durston who is running against Dan Lungren. Lungren is as dangerous as any winger and stupid to boot. Durston is honest and will not change his stripes once elected.
http://www.durstonforcongress.org/
Still waiting for my Soros paycheck. You’re right. I’ll keep it on.
Ladies, please have a little lie-down. This will pass. Perhaps some housework would do you good?
/s
I am taking my girl dancing in OK. City tonight. We love to dance.
For you sweetheart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFYmpEpsk8
kiddo
one word-vapors.
Hey demi–
Check your inbox at that place…
Yep. One is status quo and says kinda something and the other is status quo and says nothing. You can freely move around who says which what because there isn’t much difference. Throw in race and gender all you want because in the end it will be business as usual with either. Those that openly articulated what change had to take place have been quietly assassinated with irrelevance status and removed with the hook.
QG & TB…dare I share that I ate them in the tub, whilst reading?
I must be in a nurturing myself phase.
Howie’s the man.
Yes dear.
heh!
If I don’t vote for Obama I guess that means I’m a racist. If I don’t vote for Mrs. Clinton I suppose it means I’m sexist. If I vote for John Edwards it means I’m a a sexist/racist? The whole business makes my head spin. MSM pundit heads just need to just chill and report instead of opine. I’ll vote for whomever the Democrats nominate.
Oh, Canada.
Waving my lavender scented hankie already.
recount in nh happening on wed. we’ll see exactly what the hell happened. i dont believe clinton won nh.
Interesting that the pinhead pundits haven’t connected Democrats’ illegal-immigration-loving to Latino Bill Richardson’s lack of success in the primary. You’d think there was an entire column or two to muck around in that wrongheadedness. Seeing that they hardly miss an opportunity….
What does it matter. The DLC is happy with both.
I’m going to get out of my robe, get dressed, put a sweater on six pounder, Molly, jump in my car and burn fuel and head up the road to get my own box of bon bons.
TSF,
I would, but it might muss up my newly manicured nails.
(truth.)
Absolutely. I didn’t mean to imply that it does. I am not aware of any evidence that there was anything amiss in the NH voting.
election fraud?
That would be giving Richardson valuable press time that is allotted to the two “chosen” frontrunners. A positively heretical thought. Surprised at you TSF.
get some rum while you are at it.
What kind of dancing?
Lungren gives me the willies when I see him on C-Span.
-G
Yeah, that’s what I was sayin’.
Just got here, and as usual, at the end of a thread. But the DLC and Edwards thing infuriates me. Truly. Which would no doubt strike fear in their collective, shriveled little hearts. I think Edwards and Gore should run as Independents. (Yeah, I know, just blowing off steam here.)
You should see him at his “town meetings”. What a dick.
I’ll forward this idea to Lou Dobbs. Bound to beat it into the ground for says.
-G
It is just me and my bad memory or is this the most manipulative, hollow election we have ever had?
mui1 January 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
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Maybe I am paranoid, but at the root level for me, this primary is not about race or gender for me. It’s about the DLC trying to trump progressives.
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Honey*, even if you are paranoid it don’t mean you can’t tell the Pope is Bavarian. the DLC IS the enemy. we of the progressive persuasion have a long and difficult war ahead of us. we need to support John Edwards so he can keep going all the way to the convention in Denver. this IS the message. if he gets enough delegates to keep Hillary or Obama from getting the magic number we will at least have a voice in determining what happens in Denver. That is why we must keep supporting Edwards. Even if Obama or Hillary eventually triumph they will have had to make concessions to Edwards. If no one gets the nomination on the first ballot, all bets are off and it is at least possible that people could swing to Edwards on the second or third ballot.
Wait till the venom and bile get directed at one of two candidates.
Hello Kenya.
-G
Hate to say it, but it may just be your memory. 2000 and 2004 were both quite superficial as were ‘92 and ‘88 as well.
And while I’m on my Edwards bandstand, apparently Minnesotans didn’t get the “Edwards is toast” memo, because most of the people I know here are Edwards supporters. A few Obamaites and no Hillarytonians.
*just meant that in the southern sense
Shaking off the stupor of the Bush era is no easy task.
Dark chocolate rum ball bon bons. 90 proof. Got it.
Edwardians Rule !!
Strange, in each of those years, a Bush was the Republic candidate. This year must be tailor made for Jeb!
Oh you called me honey, now I can’t read the rest of it. I hope you are over 80. /snark
What kind of dancing? This kind: ;0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtDn5ChHI28
barbara January 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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And while I’m on my Edwards bandstand, apparently Minnesotans didn’t get the “Edwards is toast” memo, because most of the people I know here are Edwards supporters. A few Obamaites and no Hillarytonians.
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we need to show John some love, the green benjamin variety. if he gets enough delegates to keep Hillary or Obama from getting the magic number on the first ballot the convention in Denver could get very interesting …..
I think all these reasons are bullshit. Before Iowa, Hillary was up by, as much as, 20 pts in the Granite state. After Iowa, some polls had Obama up by, as much as, 14 pts. A 34 pt. shift!? Now, I’m not what you would refer to as a “super-genuis”, but that is a sick swing of the pendulum. I can’t understand why pollsters and pundits didn’t look at that and think it a bit queer. In all honesty, I’m a huge Obama guy, so these numbers should have given me a great deal of enthusiasm and calm. They didn’t. That is a galactic shift of numbers and I figured it was going to be pretty tight.
Here’s what I think happened and I come from a long line of silly, slow-witted, bumpkins so ya’ just know my shit don’t stink. Voters simply voted for who they were already going to vote for before Iowa. Obama got some serious juice coming out of Iowa and the people of NH decided to take a look. In the end, five days wasn’t enough time to close the deal. I’m really excited that he was able to make up 18pts in that time. In my terribly biased opinion, that was huge. It just wasn’t enough.
I’m not trying to take anything away from Senator Clinton, she did an incredible job. She didn’t win because she showed emotion and she didn’t win because she was attacked by Chris Mathews. She won because she’s been set up in that state for quite a while and has a sick ground game. SHE”S A PIIIMP!!
The thing that really mystifies me is that the newspapers and TV news channels haven’t figured out that their space on the web is effectively unlimited, and used that to give free rein for these knowledgeable people to tell everything there isn’t “room” for on the air or in print. The WaPo online has some stuff that isn’t in the print edition, but no one seems to have a clue about the real potential synergy between the two. They could still have the edited short version for the casual reader, attract a lot more news junkies with the “director’s cut,” and never again have to say “yeah, we knew that, but we couldn’t fit it in.”
Flag burning! My what an important issue to spend more than 30 seconds on.
-G
P.S. Ayatollah Khameini says the US won’t bring Iran to its knees.
Al Jaz*era link.
mui1 January 12th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
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In response to fahrender @ 155
Oh you called me honey, now I can’t read the rest of it. I hope you are over 80. /snark
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well, maybe you’re closer than you think ………
Mojo for John Edwards! Right on!
Way to go fahrender! Am off to Edwards site to make another modest donation with a mash note that we progressives have his back even if MSM continues their shutout of his noble campaign.
Jonah Goldberg take note.
Trivializing the Holocaust is not a good thing.
-G
Some people will not vote for Hillary Clinton for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with her XX Chromosomes. Most of us who can muster an IQ at least 1/10 the temperature, don’t care whether Hillary is a girl or a boy. And we think it’s way overdue that apathetic America elect a woman President, and have equal gender representation on the federal bench and in Congress, and why aren’t we alternating a woman and a man for President each electino cycle?
Hillary is not soldier not for you the individual. She’s a soldier for Hillary. That no individual neglected mantra is just post-New Hampshire babble, more of telling people whatever she has carefully calculated along with Patti Doyle, Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson, and her new advisors (the multimillion dollar fee roundtable that is Hillary’s Inner Voices Plural depending on the moment–after all–she is the candidate of change.
Hillary is the soldier of Citicorp, Goldman Sachs, Time Warner, Disney, Viacom, Credit Suisse First Boston, E Trae, Bear Stearns, good ole Patton Boggs, LLP of course.
Hillary Does the Bidding of Her Corporate Masters Contributors to Clinton
And how much difference does a few weeks make?
A New Clinton, Going Door to Door in Nevada, Asks for Help
Let’s see:
Departed Majestically–now that’s the true Hillary we have come to know and love. Majesty. A person of extreme importance. Her Hillariness, if you will.
The New Hillary, minted in the 5 days when one caucus and one primary in two small states with a small percentage of their homogeneously white population voting using voting machines that are Diebold and hackable, is now knocking on doors in Hispanic neighborhoods, where the TV trucks outnumber the people struggling to keep their homes.
A thirty-point swing in the NH polls in the direction of the Iowa results actually isn’t uncommon. It seems bizarre, but it’s happened several times before, so I can’t really fault the media for not questioning it.
I mean Mojo for John Edwards.
fahrender (somehow your tag sounds Max Frisch-ish), that’s okay then. Honey is fine.
Beautiful. I had forgotten the electoral voting system as the third leg of my reform stool. Thanks for reminding me.
Well said.
newspaperbrat January 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
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In response to fahrender @ 155
Way to go fahrender! Am off to Edwards site to make another modest donation with a mash note that we progressives have his back even if MSM continues their shutout of his noble campaign.
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we bloodied the DLC’s nose (along with the GOP’s) in ‘06. time to do it again. the battle for a progressive American politics will not be won quickly or easily, but if we choose our battles and pool our resources……..
heh heh heh ………….. GET EDWARDS TO DENVER (pass it on ……….)
Oooh Rahm Emanuel would be so mad. I like it.
Which brings to mind Howard Dean. Where is he? What’s he doing? And why or why not?
The WAPO stands for “We’re a Political Organization”.
The WaPo web site has a lot of content that is never found by their readers because of its (IMHO) ridiculously non-intuitive website with the tiny mouseovers at the top that also don’t really ID the content. A much better web design would keep people from having to drill it so hard to find many sections that most people never discover.
Moron in Chief makes a joke at the expense of the Palestinian people:
“You’ll be happy to hear that my motorcade of a mere 45 cars was able to make it through without being stopped, but I’m not so exactly sure that’s what happens to the average person.”
Har-frigging-har…..
Please make him go away.
-G
I believe Howard Dean is still the chair of the Democratic National Committee. As such, he is officially neutral during the primaries. It’s my understanding, he’s still working on the 50 state projects, getting more and better Dems and assuring candidates in all areas and districts.
mui1 January 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
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I mean Mojo for John Edwards.
fahrender (somehow your tag sounds Max Frisch-ish), that’s okay then. Honey is fine.
__________________________
but what if i’m 28? (i confess, i had to google Max Frisch……)
Forgot about the neutrality thingie. Is he living in Switzerland?
And while we’re at it, we should ask Ned Lamont why he’s joined the DLC bandwagon, because my heart is broken.
Girls. Just. Want. To. Have. Fu-un.
Homo Faber. Character who always travels because, because because, well youwould have to read the rest to find out.
Meanwhile in Iran:
Iran’s Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi said a total of 7,200 people, including 590 women, registered for the March 14 elections.
-G
Howard’s DNC is still hard at work on the party-building that enables a lot of these other things to happen. We have a strong local Democratic Party, but it’s still great to have our regional DNC guy helping to coordinate stuff with the state and national party. It must be a godsend in places that don’t have a strong local party.
But yeah, that means he can’t advocate for anyone in the primaries, though he’s been on TV a few times talking about how great all of our candidates are compared to the other side.
well, as Teddy said yesterday, there are a number of people who’ve gotten on Obama’s bandwagon. we denizens are not representative (numerically) of the country, not even of the Democrats. if we were Edwards would’ve taken at least one of the first two primaries …….
Yes but DLC did him no favors. and well progressive values are undermined by the DLC candidates. Ned Lamont is/and ran on a progressive platform.
John Edwards campaign rally on CNN!
Well that’s true. The Republikan candidates are all freaks. Withthem we get eternal war, no rule of law and a creationist science education, that makes even the Iranians laugh at us.
but maybe Lamont’s support isn’t connected to DLC influence ……
Have fun and
crymoist-up.I saw the clip and thought she was genuine.
And, I’ve heard she’s much better with small groups than Big Speeches, in terms of being human.
gettin’ late over here in Dresden. ‘nite mui (sweet thang….)
Great post, Christy
Just spotlighted it to a bunch of (print) political editors/correspondents.
Off to Media
>>Jane is upstairs!
Funnydiva
This has been going on for years. There was a jaw-dropping article in the Washington Post during the impeachment quoting various insiders explaining why the voters signally declined to be outraged and demand Clinton’s head. Cokie “as a mother” Roberts, I remember, was of the opinion that it was because DC insiders are more moral than voters and care more about honest government.
Big supporter of our current administration, Ms. Roberts is.
Of course it’s our fault. They’re wise, and we should vote the way they tell us to (and the way their wise consultant friends push us to). It’s absolutely our fault they don’t give us information about issues and cover inconvenient candidates (and thanks so much to Little Debbie for admitting it) if we’re not going to use the information to arrive at an acceptable conclusion.
nighty nite.
Watch out! Dave will get you. It’s “for us two Demos”…object of the preposition, ya know.
Christy,
I’m wondering what you think of the recount? I’m glad to see it happening now in this early primary stage. It certainly can’t hurt. Or can it?
I fully agree with Brokaw that they should be covering, not predicting. That’s quite a large amount to be off really. While I disapprove of Hillary’s ploy, I don’t believe it could have made an overnight switch that big. Some reports I’d read the day after had women slapping back at the media more than sympathy for Hillary. Either way, I found it unacceptable in this election.
It could be a combination of the the media waking up to the fact they aren’t driving this bus…. as they did before the voting began, faulty or tampered with voting machine memory cards, and slight percentage of people, men and women, who were hoodwinked by the tearful tireness ploy. Perhaps, a hand count could put the actual vote totals closer to their polling data?
There’s no law that says one has to be truthful to polling entities and I find no value in what the polls say anyway. They’re a tool the media uses to drive their agenda and campaigns use to tinker with their manipulations of the voters. I also think there should be a voluntary hand count in every state to verify these machines and not wait until the general comes off close.
Interesting to see which the recount supports the polls or the actual votes as reported. Regardless, I’d be happy if they’d return to covering, not predicting. That would be helpful.