Orca-straight it!

And have a whale of a good time.

I was thinking about you a couple of days ago..happy to see you back with you threads.

Well, we remain in an incredible drought but the greywater system I built to use tub and washing machine water is illegal here in Georgia. That’s great huh? Something about public health.

The Farley Mowat is no more, the Robert Hunter was renamed the Steve Irwin in honor of the late croc hunter. It is the Sea Shepherd ship in question.

Ecological good news? Well maybe..Dr. James Lovelock predicts that the World population of Humans will be 500 million by 2100.

Woo, woo!!! Popcorn everyone!!! Nevermind *g*

whales !!

That’s a lot of dying in 92 years.

thanks folks - and thanks nonplussed

i’ve non-Farley’d

tee-hee

yes - all of us

collective progressive action is no fluke

Man the barricades and breach the gaps!

Yea but we’ll flounder without unity.

thanks Steve-AR

and Raven - congrats on the greywater system - and a big fat blowhole spout to the regulators who haven’t figured out the point of regulations is to keep us alive.

And a shared porpoise.

Hey Kirk, a double dose! And this post is good medicine :)

Nothing fishy about that.

~6.5 billion reduction in population. Dr. Lovelock is the originator of the “Gaia” concept of global ecology. He has a different perspective but is not a wacko.

I’m not certain if ramming whalers is non-violent[.]

I’m not taking any position with regard to whaling, or whether violent action is justified, but there is absolutely no question that ramming whaling vessels is violent.

That’s some scarey stuff, Steve.

James Lovelock

I love the folks at Grenpeace how many decades..50 years. What great people fighting for something worthwhile… our planet. Kudos to my heroes.
To the war mongers and profiteers a hearty fuck you. I cuss when I am really really pissed. Compare our coast lines with the 1930s.

Crap, is my popcorn Mansanto?

Way OT but an FYI to piss you off:

With the original First Amendment “Freedom of Speech” looking on, admirers of the U.S. Constitution in the Washington D.C. National Archives Building today were ordered to leave for wearing tee-shirts reading “Impeach Bush and Cheney.” Many of the tourist-activists were in town to hail the arrival of impeachment marcher John Nirenberg, the 61 year-old college professor who has just walked from Boston to D.C. to call attention to the need for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

kos

Monsanto?

Well Captain Ahad: I’ll take a position…whaling is unecessary and sucks. It is cruelty. We don’t need all those perfumes or blubber. Get over it and let the Oceans heal. They give us oxygen and rain water. And thousands of other things. It is an eco system that cannot be devided. Let us revere it not some imaginery up god person who lets us phantacise. Thes awesome bodies of water are a source of life. Not some imaginary god. I’ll take on the theocrats any day and they will not prevail.

Developed by researchers at Whattsammatta U.

Did one of the whales swallow Jonah??

In the past, I did Acoustic Intelligence Collection. IN that capacity I recorded many hours of whale sounds and there was enough repetition of the same sounds in the same order to convince me that it was more than mere happenstance. Call me a fool, but I equate the killing of these creatures with murder, for I have no doubt that they are sentient beings.

Defending the life of another by whatever means required would seem to be justified. No one has been harmed by Watson’s methods thus far. The Japanese persist in hunting the whales only out of nationalistic pride.

Crap, is my popcorn Monsanto?

prolly

Obviously at the extreme of predictions for global warming, but the reality is out running the climate prediction models. Two years, two scientists were ridiculed for saying that the arctic Ocean would be ice free during the Summer in 40 years. After the Arctic ice melt this summer, the prediction is now 5 years. The “tipping” point for significant climate change was probably 25 years ago.

I heard one of those whales…it said “I am coming tew yew…you will…”

Nevermind.

Land of the Free, don’t ya know? This gets more surreal daily…

Beautiful comment.

By the way our planet and the oceans, rivers and mountains are the love of my life. Sunrise sunset and stars in the sky.

Not to mention a another great post by Kirk and Ian. Always a pleasure. Thankyou both. Health of the planet and ALL it creatures.
I’ll fight for my mother any day she is so awesome. That’s a fight worth having.

Greenpeace isn’t all confrontation, they just announced they captured recordings of rare humpback whale songs.
You can even listen :)

Earlier this week, our crew on the Esperanza awoke to find themselves surrounded by at least 50 humpback whales feeding in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. Leandra, our on-board scientist, captured some rare and unique underwater sounds as part of our ongoing research programme…

Nah man, I wasn’t even stoned!

OK, popcorn’s in the trash. Should have been buying organic anyway.

Hi folks - just knocked off-line…nothing like cats and dial-up…and cords in the dark

Before the flying feline squad, I wanted to make clear:

FDL doesn’t advocate breaking the law.
I’m not advocating breaking the law.

I also want to help define legal “direct action” as I understand it.

From Teh Wiki (hey, if this survived anarchists’ endless rewrites, its de facto consensus..if anarchists are allowed to have consensus.) - focusing on legal direct action.

Direct action is a form of political activism which seeks immediate remedy for perceived ills, as opposed to indirect actions such as electing representatives who promise to provide remedy at some later date. Direct action can include such activities as strikes,…, sit-ins, … demonstrations […]. Direct actions are often (but not always) a form of civil disobedience…

…demonstrations are usually not illegal in most constitutional democracies. Less confrontational forms of this definition of direct action include establishing radical social centers, and performing street theatre.

Utilizing resources within their power, direct action participants aim to either:

* obstruct another political agent or political organization from performing some practice to which the activists object; or,
* solve problems major societal institutions (businesses, governments, powerful churches or establishment unions) are not addressing.

Some direct action participants engage in “indirect actions” (voting in elections, targeted boycotts) as part of larger campaigns.

So posting freeway signs, wearing organge for Gitmo, providing free food to the homeless - these can all be direct actions.

We all can’t go with Greenpeace or the Sea Shepherd folk - even if we all wanted to.

But I bring up the powerful results from non-violent action for change because most all of us can take direct action to protect our living world. What solutions do pups have to share?

Whales are smarter than that. Would you swallow a loaded diaper?

Orville= Monsanto????

Damn liberal-fascist whales…!!

Funny.

Orville= Monsanto????

may Orville RIP

Orville does indeed work for Monsanto!

Jeebus flippin cans…

admirers of the U.S. Constitution in the Washington D.C. National Archives Building today were ordered to leave for wearing tee-shirts reading “Impeach Bush and Cheney.”

The administrators’ credo:

form over content

order over meaning

Jonah as Ahab?

Nice upcoming lawsuit.

Probly teh Iranian whale…you know, the one that attacked us on 9/11…that one.

ConAgra Foods

form over content

order over meaning

Now that is really fun

Probly teh Iranian whale…you know, the one that attacked us on 9/11…that one.

the one in the speedboat?

Ah yes the “Iranian Whaler” threatening the mighty U.S.N.

LS, if I had nothing but time on my hands, I could sit around and plan my arrests for [protected] speech so well as to have a (modest) steady income stream from the lawsuits.

However, the pipeline is slow. Last month I saw one of my friends who was arrested along with a few hundred folks in a large open space in Seattle…on December 1, 1999.

Yep - almost nine years.

OTOH - that means only five years ’til I might see a check from being illegally denied bail (and held on toxic waste coated floors) at the 2004 RNC convention.

In the past, I did Acoustic Intelligence Collection. IN that capacity I recorded many hours of whale sounds and there was enough repetition of the same sounds in the same order to convince me that it was more than mere happenstance. Call me a fool, but I equate the killing of these creatures with murder, for I have no doubt that they are sentient beings.

nonplussed - thank you. I share your beliefs.

I’ve read that in some whale species “songs” are specific to certain local groups of whales. Hunt the local group’s elders, and the “songs” die.

Have you “heard” (through your reading) anything about that?

Dayem…that sucks!!

Here you can explore a cool blue whale.

It’s nice just to listen to.

LS January 12th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

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In response to Kirk James Murphy, M.D. @ 44

Nice upcoming lawsuit.

LS, I gotta admit - for a second I was realllly wondering about my content.

That comment got the adrenals working. ;)

OK, that is cool.

Just to be clear, when I stated that I wasn’t taking a position on whaling, it wasn’t because I don’t have one. I do. I think it’s absolutely indefensible.

I just didn’t want to get into whaling per se, and only wanted to make the point that intentionally ramming your vessle into another–whaleboat or any other vessel–is undoubtedly an act of violence.

Of course they are sentient beings.

There is an interesting study also about elephants and their gut sounds that communicate for miles and miles….

I believe whales, porpoises, elephants, and horses, etc., all use very sophisticated sounds for elaborate communication…some things we can hear and somethings we are not equipped to hear. I have a couple of horses that put their muzzles up to my ear and “click”…it’s strange but true.

I am laughing so hard I am almost in tears:
why is he called tweety?

*dissolves in giggles again*

Here’s the Organic Seed Alliance for real food. Hope that James Lovelock is wrong, WangDangDoodle. Dang.

Perhaps like this. The disclaimer has been added in the last year or so, undoubtedly at the Governments behest. I have always liked this article. The good Doctor has moved, Susan and Jeff are still here and are active in our local Peace movement.

off topic but interesting

john eliot is on the radio right now, points out that oboma won the polls before the election, he won the exit polls and he lost the election

he points out that debold was used for the vote

I am with him, as I mentioned before it simply flies in the face of reason that edwards remained a consistant 16-17 percent through the entire election

I am not buying the nh primarie result for one second

hey, I got to do it with several thousand of my closest friends :).

the delayed bail sucked - but the pens on a disused pier were great for bonding and theatre.

sadly, really, really toxic. we protesters just shuttled through…the NYPD line cops were there for shift after shift.

most of them openly despised the rethugs and the convention and the time they spent ordered to “pretend you people are threats” as one bored officer said.

so again, they got hosed cause New York elects proto-fascist mayors.

And remember that the animals knew the Tsunami was coming and moved to high ground. There are levels of consciousness that we know little about. . . but the FDL’ers knew dat!

Here’s another piece of good news: China moves to ban plastic bags.

Yesterday, San Francisco. Today, China. Tomorrow, ?

Shoulda been in Miami in 72!

Recount next Wednesday.

Most NYPD are good people.

I failed to state I was replying to Kirk’s 37, so perhaps now my cryptic 62 will make a little sense. It is a great methosd of nonviolent resistance, if one is willing to take the heat.

Kirk! thanks for the good news … it’s so wonderful to see people stepping up and putting themselves on the line.

Thanks, Elliot! Really cool. (I didn’t realize that the blue whale had bags under her eyes too.)

Here’s another piece of good news: China moves to ban plastic bags.

Yesterday, San Francisco. Today, China. Tomorrow, ?

Tomorrow the world!

DrKirk, exciting to see two posts from you today. The issues you address need to be kept in the spotlight.

Here is another tweety quote from “Your Right Hand Thief”

Does Chris Matthews have a problem with women?

Hell yes.

This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.

what good is a recount when there’s dbold machines?

Picayune, MS!

in addition, one of the callers on the john eliot show points out there is a big differance between the results of the hand votes and the electronic votes

if that’s true, this is really bad

I don’t think the results will chang one bit nor will there be any reason to challenge the result. A knock-down, drag-out over a few thousand votes in NH is not good for the party. It’s a few delegates. Move on. There are gobs of delegates up for grabs. Not to say any voting machine problems should be ignored, but deal with it later. The perenial democratic candidate (and loser) for Congress in my district is a guy who every two years runs on the platform of “I was cheated. The machines were fixed.” for his efforts, he has lost every time to one of the most corupt scumbags in Congress and is derided by the liberals as a tin foil hat goofball. Watch pushing this voting machine stuff without evidence.

got to go, see all later

Not to call John Elliott a liar (whomever he is) but it is my understanding that the exit polls pretty much matched the stated results.

if what I just heard is true,this is really really bad

according to a caller, the hand ballots show a completely differant percentage of preferances then the evotes

and as I said before, john eliot claims the exit polls did not indicate the results

I have total faith in exit polls

electronic voting?…not so much

Tweety and The View

that’s what I heard after the votes also, I hope you’re right, I trust exit polls

ok, off to bed

Ha, Mrs Greenspan haters should like this piece about Miami 72

By the last day of the convention, when Nixon was to accept his nomination and bring on Maryland’s Spiro Agnew as his running mate, the demonstrators knew this was their last chance to make a statement, If trashing downtown Miami Beach had not been enough, the VVAW group began soaking paper in gasoline, preparing to light vehicles on fire. They had even brought their own gas masks with them, perhaps having learned their lesson from the 1968 fiasco. Demonstrators surrounded cars, busses, delegates or anyone else they found objectionable and began to hurl abuse their way. This abuse consisted of foul language, rocks, pipes, saliva or pretty much anything they could find to cause a general disturbance. By this time, Beach cops had had enough and let the gas loose.

GASSING ANDREA MITCHELL

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As all hell broke loose on South Beach, pepper gas began to fill the air. The media was not immune from the gassing, as Andrea Mitchell, now of MSNBC, got the full effect at her first convention and was sprayed in the eyes. Hunter S. Thompson was not immune from the gas either, as he spent the better part of the last day blinded by the effects. Thompson notes in his book that the Miami Beach police saw him staggering around searching for some water to wash out his eyes, and seemed grateful they had not taken that opportunity to beat him to a pulp. “That was the difference between Chicago and Miami,” he said. “If the cops in Chicago had found me crawling around in somebody’s front yard, wearing a ‘press’ tag and blind from too much gas, they’d have broken half my ribs and hauled me away in handcuffs for ‘resisting arrest.’” I’m not sure what Beach cops Hunter here is talking about, but it is apparent to me that he never made the mistake of getting smart with a bouncer at Opium.

Thanks siun and ndfg!

and Laura, thanks for the immensely good news about China. wow.

I understand that is true.

What?

I know too many pollsters to have complete faith in exit polls.

How did you choose the people to do the polling?
How do you select which voters to question as they leave?
How do people decide if they want to answer your questions?
How did you phrase your questions?
How did you select your precincts?

Polling is not as precise as some people would like to believe.

go to bradblog, it shows the statistic of evotes vs debold votes

I also trust the bradblog, I don’t have time to go and see what he says about the exit polls or the evotes vs hand votes but it’s supposed to be interesting

www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Ocea.....cNov03.htm

The wide growing trash floating across the Pacific is a killer. Check it out if you don’t already know.

Not to call John Elliott a liar (whomever he is) but it is my understanding that the exit polls pretty much matched the stated results.

IIRC the CNN exit, posted @~1:58 showed HRC slightly ahead. I think the optical scanning system is pretty good..it can be hacked but there is a paper ballot. Fast report with back up. IIRC, it was Bob Ney, who is now in prison, blocked the paper trail for electronic voting machines.

This quote from Thich Nhat Hanh helped me break my plastic bag habit:

“Throwing away the plastic bag, I am aware I am throwing away the plastic bag.”

(No, this is not a joke. I dare you to say it out loud each time you perform the act. Ooosh. Shivers.)

When he was asked “Are you from the north or the south”? He said, “I’m from the middle”!

Professional pollsters know that there are many factors that can screw up their oh-so-scientific polls. See Pollster.com for a rundown of the possibilities, including bradblog’s theories. Brad’s ideas are not the only explanations for the NH confusion — and other explanations are far more plausible.

I hope to see him in person some day. I always keep a calendar of his quotes above my computer monitor, to help keep me mindful.

And I was stunned to learn as much as 25% of air pollutants over California/Oregon are from China…(depending on the day).

PS: My point isn’t that China is “the bad country”: China is merely the place to which global capital has shifted the industries with the greatest externalizable costs.

We buy consumer crap from China, and we “export” the labor exploitation and ecological damage required to maket he crap so cheaply.

IF the US wrote codes for international trade that took labor/enviro protection as seriously as the US takes tradig with Cuba, the problem would be over.

It’s weird. Where I grew up, the only voting machines I remember from th etime I was a kid and used to go vote with my father right uo to when I was voting, where the big machines with the big red handle you pull to close the curtain and thewn you flip the switch type thing next to tyhe candidate you want. There was never any problem with them, really, was there?

Nice to hear about someone who cares so deeply about what he believes in- but stay the fuck out of my vegetable garden–OK Jose!

If the U.S. loved the golden rule, instead of the rule of gold….

He is amazing

rw, why are you planting Frankenseeds in your veggie garden?

;)

If the hard votes cast were reversed and BO came in ahead of HRC, it would have the same result as current which is both got the same number of delegates which is the point of the exercise.

I understand the concerns about Diebold machines with secret source code, no audit trail for the touch screen and such. But we’re talking about optical scan machines where there IS an audit trail of the original ballots.

To implement a “conspiracy” of the magnitude that would be entailed by this is just not feasible in NH. Way too many people would have to be involved, cost way too much money for way too little benefit. It makes no sense.

Michigan primary comin up fast- if The Mitter loses- could be a swan song. He’s the guy the money goopers want to bribe- so there’ll be a tough fight.

Kirk

Don’t know—I haven’t planted it yet- but if I decide to- I don’t want some whached out Frankennut tearin em out. They’d be MY fuckin Franken Veggies Damn It!