In the fine gunboat-diplomacy bogosity tradition that gave our great-great-grandparents "Remember the Maine!" without telling them that the Maine was a battleship loaded with munitions that probably blew up on their own without any outside help, fakery in the service of American Empire has been much in the news lately.
First of all, the latest Bush Junta effort to scare us into bombing Iran is not standing up well under close scrutiny. As emptywheel notes, the audio that's been grafted onto the video of the tiny Iranian patrol boats tootling around the huge American warships is, well, questionable -- and the Pentagon's been forced to admit as much:
The audio includes a heavily accented voice warning in English that the Navy warships would explode. However, the recording carries no ambient noise — the sounds of a motor, the sea or wind — that would be expected if the broadcast had been made from one of the five small boats that sped around the three-ship American convoy.
Pentagon officials said they could not rule out that the broadcast might have come from shore, or from another ship nearby, although it might have come from one of the five fast boats with a high-quality radio system.
See the picture above? That's one of the Iranian boats in question. Notice that it is an open boat. Notice that it has no way to keep ambient noise -- choppy seas, motor noise, things like that -- away from any recording gear that might be on the boat. Notice that there doesn't seem to be much room for anything, much less high-class recording gear capable of blocking out all ambient noise -- or the boxes of explosives that the threatening voice on the tape said would be used to blow up the American warships (but which never appear on the video).
In other fakery news (from McClatchy via TruthOut), it looks like BushCo's charge that North Korea's printing bogus US money is itself bogus:
Two years ago, as he was ratcheting up a campaign to isolate and cripple North Korea's dictatorship financially, President Bush accused the communist regime there of printing phony U.S. currency.
"When someone is counterfeiting our money, we want them to stop doing that. We are aggressively saying to the North Koreans just that — don't counterfeit our money," Bush said on Jan. 26, 2006.
However, a 10-month McClatchy investigation on three continents has found that the evidence to support Bush's charges against North Korea is uncertain at best and that the claims of the North Korean defectors cited in news accounts are dubious and perhaps bogus. One key law enforcement agency, the Swiss federal criminal police, has publicly questioned whether North Korea is even capable of producing "supernotes," counterfeit $100 bills that are nearly perfect except for some practically invisible additions.
So, if North Korea doesn't have the technical chops to pull this off, who does?
Could it be -- us?
Klaus Bender, the author of a book on the subject, "Moneymakers: The Secret World of Banknote Printing," said that the phony $100 bill is "not a fake anymore. It's an illegal parallel print of a genuine note."
"It goes way beyond what normal counterfeiters are able to do," said Bender, whose book first spotlighted the improbability of North Korean supernotes. "And it is so elaborate (and expensive) it doesn't pay for the counterfeiting anymore."
Bender claims that the supernotes are of such high quality and are updated so frequently that they could be produced only by a U.S. government agency such as the CIA.
As unsubstantiated as the allegation is, there is a precedent. In his new book on the history of the CIA, journalist Tim Weiner detailed how the agency tried to undermine the Soviet Union's economy by counterfeiting its currency.
Of course, we're talking about the same folks who gave us "curveball" and faked-up Niger yellowcake documents as part of their justification for invading and occupying Iraq. That this was done by agents of BushCo is not only not impossible, it's extremely probable.
And all of this is happening as the granddaddy of all trumped-up incidents, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, has been once again shown to have been an exercise in American provocation that was turned into a pretext for massively escalating the American involvement in Vietnam.
...they've just been fakin' it; they're not really makin' it...
UPDATE 12:25 pm FDL time: And now we find that while the Iranians didn't do anything belligerent such as fling "boxes of explosives", the same can't be said of the US warships, one of which the Pentagon now admits fired a warning shot at one of the tiny Iranian patrol boats back during a similar incident in December. Boy, Bush really wants an excuse to blow up Iran, doesn't he?
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Well, as a wingnut at dinner last night said, all it took was a rubber dinghy to blow up the Cole.
But we are makin’ it, right?
Good Morning PW!
Makin’ it up as we go.
They are going to keep throwing shit against the wall until it sticks and we bomb Iran. The boats didn’t work, so now they are back to Iranian IED’s killing our troops.
That makes a great deal of sense. We know that the CIA’s $40 billion budget is insufficient, and that they have routinely participated in the illegal drug trade to get funds for actions that Congress wouldn’t support. So adding counterfeiting to the list would not surprise.
fatuous militarist and msgobama paid military spewman Jack Jacobs claimed the Iranian’s were outlaws
you remember him…the man who said the Brits who were captured should have fought to the death.
I actually find it encouraing that
W’sCheney’s Iran provocations are greeted with a yawn, after a small amount of flap. Seems public has learned to discount anything that the Administration sez on this subject.It’s all so nuts. Why aren’t the democrats screaming bloody murder? Especially Hillary and Barack?
Don’t we have anyone at all in the military who will call out this nonsense? In the CIA? FBI?
HELP!!!
if their lips are moving they are lying. we know that…we just have to keep pointing out the reality and hope some Dems bugle it.
It is completely clear to me that they just create scenarios that fit their agenda…pretty much all of it, and I mean “ALL” of it. Then they tell you a story via the media, so that they can do what they want to do for their own benefit and at our expense. We have to stop believing the myriad of lies. Doubt everything they tell us…everything.
Impeach.
If that is a serious threat to our warships, we aren’t getting much for all the money we spend on our Navy.
The big lie.
The CIA & FBI are willing participants, and no one running for prez will call it out because they all want the flexibility to run dirty tricks on their own watch. It’s pretty corrupt, with no way to stop it.
This country needs a Truth and Reconciliation Commission after the indictment of the criminals. If we do not disinfect with copious amounts of sunlight we are doomed.
General Petreaeus just announced that the Iranians have been increasing the number EFP’s in Iraq this year.
So we now have the top general in Iraq alleging that Iranians are killing Americans.
In a related story the Iraqi government is letting Saddam’s henchmen back into the fold.
Also, as we sink into recession, wouldn’t it be nice if Americans could recieve a $300.00 monthly stipend fromt he US government just like the former Saddamists, Baathists and dead-enders receive.
We have become Saddam.
-G
With the revevlations of the bogus elements of the tape, I keep thinking about the timing of this speedboat story coming right before the GOP debate as them being given an opportunity to chest thump about security. But to do that, they need to prime the pot of emotions of voters with a boogeyman and a scary story. Bin Laden and the quagmire in Iraq? not so much.
Also, this jumped out at me just this morning in an article:
“The top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, told reporters after Bush spoke that the overall flow of weaponry from Iran into Iraq appears to be down, but attacks with “explosively formed projectiles” tied to Tehran are up by a factor of two or three in recent days. “Frankly, we are trying to determine why that might be,” he said.”
Does this strike anyone else as a deliberate attempt to create the impression of escalation from Iran tied to the bogus speedboat story? WTF. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....sh_mideast
If we are lucky enough to get an honest Dem president this go around, they need to purge all of the CIA and FBI leadership and start over. Remember, Bush41 was head of the CIA and most of the people in our government have very bad historical connections to criminal behavior (Watergate and Iran Contra).
The fact that this country has slid into this abominable situation is outrageous. I am glad, though, that the net has given us the chance to examine these activities publicly and put a lot of good minds together to unravel the web they have created. We need to keep on top of everything they do and call them on everything until they are gone and perhaps convicted of betraying the country once and for all. They are traitors - pure and simple.
The boats didn’t work, so now they are back to Iranian IED’s killing our troops.
That would be the same IED’s that the Boosh government claimed the Sunni insurgents were using against us - until somebody finally remembered that Iran Is Shiia, so it must be the Shiites that are using them against us, right?
The best book I have read on the spook business is The Second Oldest Profession by Phillip Knightley. Besides being a history of MI6 and the CIA, it offers useful insights into why spying doesn’t work. Mainly because it is secret, which means no mechanism to keep it to its mission. No accountability.
We created Saddam and OBL and Musharraf.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
-G
Ahem, the country has ALWAYS been in this abominable situation. Proxy wars, drug running, assassinations, coups (remember JFK) have been part & parcel of U.S. foreign policy since forever.
We have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
Is it possible that Mukasey has some integrity?
Michael Abramowitz had an awful article in the WAPO today on Bush’s claims of success in Iraq; reported from Kuwait.
I sent him this email:
would it have been too much work, while quoting Bush about the success of the surge, to have mentioned in passing how many Americans, Iraqis have been killed in the past year, and how much the US has spent on the occupation?
You leave this out? No context for the claims of success. As a 30-year reporter–now retired–I don’t understand what you could have been thinking when you wrote this article?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews
I’m going to throw this out there one more time. The operation they are conducting in Iraq right now is Operation Phantom Phoenix. Phoenix operations are historically assassination missions and evidence destroying missions. I have a suspicion that the strike in Syria and the strikes in the Baghdad area may be strikes to eliminate “camps”…i.e., torture camps and/or opposition to the government - not Al Qaeda. They destroyed the torture tapes. W made the comment that Auschwitz should have been bombed. Why??? Because it would have destroyed the evidence of what the Reich was up to - that is why.
BTW, something is being rebuilt at the Syrian site.
Any news on catching the post 911 anthrax killers, while we’re on the subject?
Agreed. It just seems worse now, because we are more aware of it in greater numbers.
Reporter was probably thinking he’d be the recipient of juicy leaks if he flattered W et al.
OT
Hilarious!
Bill Maher’s first show back for 2008.
Tony Snow confuses “Voter Fraud”with “Election Fraud”
http://tinyurl.com/27zrol
My my. You’re as much of a bright little sunbeam as I was previous thread.
Sorry dawgs. Sometimes, often lately, it’s hard to get outta bed in the morning and not just feel like crawling over into a corner to curl up in a tight ball, sucking thumb.
Christy and PW et al. Thanks for yanking us back to reality on a regular basis.
We WILL be joyful, and we WILL be realistic, and those are not necessarily incompatible feelings. It’d be nicer for you if some of us would just hush, if we can’t run properly on scent with the pack. Apologies…
that mukasey stuff is inevitable for someone with a beating heart. he is rock-solid cheney man on FISA and torture though. and you wont see any independent prosecutors or cooperation on prosecuting Congressioanl subpoenas.
dont take a penny on a dollar for repayment.
“They” just need to be impeached and convicted. All leads led back to the government.
I will let you know if he answers…maye I should send it to their omudswoman.
Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain!
Well, it’s been a long time since the U.S. invaded & occupied another country unprovoked & uninvited. So that part is worse. But all the other actions seem in line with the historical pattern. One other difference: W et al, being incompetent, seem to be conducting them exceedingly clumsily. Geez, I thought any graduate of pre-K could have done a better job cutting & pasting on the Iranian cigar boat incident than the Pentagon did. Ditto the forged Niger documents. Ditto Curveball. All pretty transparent hokery to the alert outsider.
I just love that! Thanks! Any hope they’d have the guts to print it? They should!
The only people who will “successfully” run on the presidential ticket will be those approved of by the CIA, NSA big chiefs et al. It like being in a Woody Allen flick.
Good morning all. Thanks again PW.
Yeah, antrax perps. I hope I live long enough to find out who did that.
Thanks PW. As per usual, I thought your analysis was spot-on.
IMVHO, the Iranian weapon of choice in the Straits of Hormuz would be their short-range, nuclear tipped, Russian made anti-ship missile coming in at over Mach 2. The (Sunburn) skims the waves to avoid radar detection and then loops high and comes straight down. US claims it can knock it out, but the world’s militaries probably want to see it, to believe it. The Chinese have also bought Sunburns, because they would work well in any fight with us over Taiwan.
Also, fwiw, the Straits are the worst place for US Navy, capital ships. The Straits are two, very shallow, one-mile wide channels, through which 25% of the world’s oil flows. Sink a couple of super tankers (or US destroyers) in the Straits and it’s a world-wide depression.
OT, the geography is what drives our relationship with United Arab Emirates (Dubayi). They are right across the Straits of Hormuz from Iran.
Marcy is on it.
LOL - the corrupt gang that couldn’t shoot straight!!
ya just KNOW it’s home-grown-groan.
It’s so obviously fake on purpose — those miscreants in The White House are sending a signal to their supporters that it is indeed them, the miscreants in The White House, that are trying their hardest to start another war.
yes, I’m perplexed by the apparent lack of interest in locating those perps
no discussion of our intel apparatus is complete without a look at the Sibel Edmonds case. I’ll link to the authority on the subject - lukery:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....854/431373
don’t miss the link at the bottom:
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.bl.....tures.html
Waxman - jesus h. christ - have a hearing, fer chrissakes!
They don’t like investigating themselves. /s
They only targeted Democrats and the media and they only killed government workers.
No harm, no foul in the Bush/Coulter Army of Pod People.
-G
Not in Iran’s interest to cut off Straits of Hormuz, because that would damage their ability to export oil. They might be forced to if U.S. bombed them, but otherwise not.
More like the 5 small boats in a bathtub lie.
and those postal workers got little if any recognition for the lose of their lives, which happened in the course of their daily job.
IANAL but isn’t that felony murder?
Wasn’t that David Naughton who sang the cheesy tune Makin’-It?
By jove.
-G
To the Dems, they had to be taught a lesson and as for postal workers, like any other worker, they are expendable.
Funny their families weren’t given multi-million dollar payments for their deaths.
Only the 9/11 victims.
-G
See you guys later. Going to take a nap in the sun for a little while.
The anti-ship missiles you speak of would not be nuclear tipped because Iran has no nuclear weapons or even a program at the moment.
The Strait is 21 miles wide at its narrowest point. The shipping channel is 6 miles wide, 2 mile lanes for traffic going each direction and a 2 mile median between them.
Good morning, everyone!
Sorry I’m late — I think I might have a touch of my hubby’s cold. How are you all today?
Hi Phoenix Woman,
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Respectfully, I disagree. The largest false flag operation in American history certainly appears to be 9/11. I won’t go into great length to debate this here, but I will say that I have spent over 2,000 hours researching the topic, and I consider myself an something expert on the matter, and better informed than about 99.999% of the population. I’m not bragging. I wished there were more people paying attention.
Last night I brought up the fact that the minority political party in Japan has commmenced to discuss 9/11 as a fraud in the Japanese Diet, their equivalent of our Congress. http://www.911blogger.com/node/13340
By the way, we are still seeking a translator for these videos.
More and more professionals are beginning to get over the shock & awe that 9/11 imposed on most if not all Americans. Here’s a fine example of the new and improved 9/11 truth community websites that are springing up with exceptionally well researched articles questioning the official mythology about 9/11. http://www.ae911truth.org/
Food for thought…
PS; If you google these four words (american media boca rudy), there is a pretty good story from the website newswithviews from last March. A lot of Guilliani involvement with the Boca building. Anyway, later.
Any of us could have cracked the anthrax case. Just one little problem, we would never have lived to see it hit the press. Accidents happen so easily.
Re:
And inflation is the sincerest form of flattening an economy…
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The thought crosses my mind that Abramowitz knows perfectly well that he is a paid propagandist.
Left you one in the loft: http://firedoglake.com/2008/01.....nt-1199521
Ray, you’re wrong and you’re off-topic.
I’ve just edited the post to include Glenn Greenwald’s mention of the fact that, contrary to BushCo/Pentagon assertions, no boxes are seen being thrown from the tiny little bass boats.
The Iranians and the Chinese bought it from the Russians. All the links I have on it, say it’s got nuclear capability. I hope it doesn’t, but I don’t have any links to refute that claim.
You’re right, my bad.
OT…
Link
Jeebus..What Dem would want an endorsement from Ben Nelson?
Concerning the speedboats in the Persian Gulf:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....038;emc=th
Now I know that the Times has biases toward the Administration, yet in a world made up largely these days with much conflict, whatever else, a military expedition must understand the tactics likely to be employed by the adversary.
It’s too bad that any whitewash needs application in this matter.
So, we either get out of the Mideast, or come prepared to take care of ourselves.
What do you think of Prof. Steven Jones’ paper,
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
Re:
One of the best tools on the Web for researchers is the Center For Cooperative Research. They maintain “The Complete 9/11 Timeline”. Here’s the entry for the anthrax attacks
(QUOTE)
September 16, 2005: FBI’s Anthrax Investigation Has Gone Cold
The Washington Post reports that four years after the 2001 anthrax attacks (see October 2001), the FBI investigation is growing cold. [Washington Post, 9/16/2005] A New York Times article from the same day also concludes the investigation has stalled. The FBI has found itself on the defensive amid claims that they publicly smeared Dr. Steven Hatfill when lacking other viable suspects. [New York Times, 9/16/2005]
(END QUOTE)
I’ve more or less got the impression that the FBI doesn’t want to solve this one. Along with a lot of other crimes that are perpetrated by those at the nexus of our military, intel community (an ironic term if ever there was one) and some of our spooker privateers.
Here’s a 2 hour radio interview title “9/11 and the Deep State” that might interest some of you.
That’s right Phoenix Woman. They think we’re stupid? Yep. Well, not all of us are, of course.
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/.....-voice-is/
Or it could be this guy! LOL…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j6yoWar72YU
With George Bush’s Navy, we’ll never know.
Exactly. The “Bush/Israel blew up the Twin Towers” stuff hinges on willful misinterpretation of key evidence. My own favorite is how they pretend that WTC 7, which they claim was not seriously damaged, was deliberately destroyed to hide evidence of the Evil Plot — except of course that it WAS seriously damaged and what was left of it had to be pulled down so it didn’t affect any nearby buildings (this is frickin’ Manhattan, people, where skyscrapers sit cheek-by-jowl).
notice that Hillary Clinton has not apologized for or clarified her vote for the Kyl/Lieberman amendment laying the basis for wara against Iran.
also note
from http://jtaplin.wordpress.com/
so a vote for Hillary could be a vote for the neo-cons next war against a country that poses no threat to the USA.
I woulnd’t want that on my conscience. But if opposition to imperial adventurism is just a wedge issue for 2008 to use against the (R)’s, then of course there’s no problem.
I must say that I am consistently amazed that people here, who otherwise would never even consider taking, at face value, the word of the Bush administration on anything… consider it heresy to question the official 9-11 story.
Truly - I don’t get it.
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Respectfully I disagree. Never before the Bush Administration was it the policy of the United States to engage in preemptive war as we did with the invasion of Iraq. That was totally a war crime, no ifs ands or buts. The U.S. is in violation of international law, and the reaaon we can flaunt it is that there is no effective counterforce to America’s military.
Additionally, a part of our awareness has to do with the fact that number of countries that we have unilaterally attacked continues to grow year by year.
William Blum’s “Killing Hope” documents interventions by the U.S. in 56 foreign nations since 1945. http://members.aol.com/bblum6/.....ocaust.htm
For those who are interest, Mr. Blum will add you to his monthly emailing of “The Anti-Empire Report“
that’s a good point, the 9/11 Official Story is supposedly the one thing the Cheney cabal tells the whole truth about. amazing. It’s as ludicrous as the Menendez brothers saying “pity us, we’re orphans!”.
and feel free to flame away - I gotta run for now - but will check back in an hour or two…
Close but not quite. Never before had the US overtly engaged in a preemptive war. But the Mexican, Spanish-American, and Vietnam wars were all started by suspect “incidents.” And that does not account for all the brush fire wars in Central America in the 1920s.
Well, if 9/11 was an inside job, it was run out of Cheney’s office without anyone on W’s team being aware. No one could fake the look on W’s face when the attack was whispered in his ear.
I maintain an open mind because so much surrounding 9/11 has been hidden from us. But that’s also why I haven’t decided it was an inside job. There isn’t enough information to be convinced either way.
One quibble. In VN, the U.S. military was invited by the existing govt. Of course, when that proved insufficient, assassination & made-up incidents did the trick.
Meanwhile Clusterfuck is in Kuwait doin another mission accomplished swagger speech. The surge was a brilliant idea- peace and freedom are coming to Iraq- and American will be there WAY past his term…
Little fucker’s full of shit as usual
I have one question;
how do we know there are any counterfeits at all if they are just extras of our own prints?
I am not following here at all…are there duplicate serial numbers?
Re:
I’ve correspoded with Dr. Jones and I’ve presented a video of one of his lectures at a public screening here in Bend. I’m open to Dr. Jones suggestion that some variant of thermite/thermate residue is indeed showing up in his mass spectrosccpy analysis of some of the dust from the vicinity of the WTC complex.
Rather than engage in speculation, I’m in the camp that included several of the widows of 9/11 victims who were interviewed in the video “9/11: Press For Truth”. Basically they and I argue that the 9/11 Commission failed to answer 70% of the extremely intelligent and thoughtful questions the “Jersey Girls” et al presented to Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean at the start of their utterly failed commission and in their ridiculous report.
Here’s an important article that first appeared in Harper’s Magazine about the Commission Report entitled “Whitewash as Public Service“. The title pretty well does say it all…
I concur. For openers, the way the two towers collapsed needs a real time simulation taking into account non-linear systems theory. I have not read much lately, but the proponents on both sides left me wanting more a couple of years ago.
The real fly in the ointment is the precipitous collapse of Building #7. There seems to be no initiating event derived from the attack of a magnitude necessary for that building to go down as it did, when it did.
On the anthrax case we’ve got marcy
Journalists Name Former DC USA as Hatfill Leaker
Clusterfuck tryin to figure out what sorta tax cuts to use to prop up the economy cause he obviously hasn’t done enough taxes on account of the economy is tankin…..
Problem solving is so simple when ya only have one fuckin solution.
That reference should be post 81.
ecahn,this is the first time I’ve seen anyone think that look was surprise
most people I know think that look on his face is
:well we’re actually doing it and people are ddying, here we go:
as far as I am concerned he looks guilt ridden, that combined with the the fact that he was informed we were under attack while he was on the way to the school, it was reaffirmed while he was in the classroom and that’s what you’re seeing
Just a little not correction but note. Those boats are plenty big enough to be dangerous and can hold plenty of explosive. The wind noise points are very valid, but no sensible commander in the navy is gonna let those speed boats get too close.
I’ve read several blogs mentioning the transition quality of the Iranian boats being to high quality for Iranian capabilities. 1) Noise-canceling microphones have been available for more than 40 years & don’t require high tech electronics to operate. 2) Just because they’re radical muslins doesn’t mean they’re incapable. Please don’t repeat inaccuracies from article to article. Leave that to the wing nuts.
Well, it looked like surprise to me at the time. I wasn’t blogging then, so I didn’t have the benefit of other minds second guessing. However, even after your input, I still remember it as surprise, not guilt. Perhaps if someone has a link to the video, I’d review it. I would hate to be remembered as being naive. *g*
But nothing got blown up in this incident
Yeah, like when he watched the first plane hit on the teevee…uh, huh.
I think he knew something was going to happen but was kept out of the loop on purpose…as he’s been kept out of the loop regarding other events or decisions, so he can plausibly deny any involvement.
And remember the Cole, and my comment @ 1.
Even the best cancelling mic’s will leave a clear audio signature, so this is a testable thing, but even the best would not allow a crystal clear transmission from a speeding boat
The point being, that the U.S. ships didn’t KNOW that until after the fact in the current case.
I find it hard to believe any of our secret agencies and Bush and Cheney are so clever (beyond brilliant) as to mastermind the 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have no doubt that the planners of the attack did all the things they did. They hijacked commercial airplanes and crashed them into buildings.
Here is where I’d like to see more investigation. Why did Bush sit on his a.. for seven minutes after being told the WTC was attacked? I sat for seven minutes to understand the length of this passage of time. It is loooonnnng. Why? I timed how long it takes to tell young children he needed to take a call. “Excuse me boys and girls. I must take this call” Less than two seconds. It doesn’t alarm the children. He exits and the kids continue with their story. No problem. I need to know why he sat and sat and sat.
How did seven hijackers manage to steal several plans? This is hard to do. One, OK. This tells me we had the intelligence and allowed it to happen. It is perfect. Reality TV for all of us to witness.
The conspiracy isn’t planned explosives and fake crashes into the Pentagon, it is the countless warnings, evidences of an impending attack, lack of any security to facilitate it, the interference of a true investigation that tells me Bushco knew and allowed it to happen.
When you know something that has been planned and is actually happening, you can sit there for seven minutes, unmoved and let it unfold.
The US has satellites 24 hours a day over the straights of Hormuz. They have the capability of seeing a wart on a soldiers nose for chrysake. If they really had a fleet of dinghies attacking them they would have clear film of the incident. It is bullcrap, just more bullcrap from an administration steeped in it.
here ya go
http://video.google.com/videop.....9630026967
there is the kind of equanimity one so rarely sees in these discussions.
cheers to that.
I was jogging on the East River around 60th street when the first plane hit. I saw a massive plume of light brown smoke blowing eastward over the East River much farther south & instantly heard scores of sirens screeching south. It took me less than 7 minutes to get back to my building. Asked the doorman what was up & he said a plane hit the WTC. I asked: “Accidentally or on purpose?” thinking for not a second that it was an accident. So you’re right. Seven minutes is a long time & plenty of time for action & thought.
Excellent point.
Remember the USS Liberty. For that matter, remember the Alamo. Talk about rewriting history. If you wait long enough and eyewitnesses are no long on this planet, you can recreate the myth.
I also want to know more about how and why the Saudis got out of the country so fast. None of the rest of us could have left if we’d wanted to.