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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/the-surge-in-delusion-is-working/#comment-1199031</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m not jumping to any conclusions either. A sitting Congressman and Candidate for the Presidency has asked for a hand recount of the NH vote. That in itself is a huge story, imo.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they ‘fix’ NH and give it to Obama, then Edwards is out. Is that what Kucinich wants? What kind of lefty is he?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is he going to also call for an investigation of Obama’s youth support and voting irregularities in Iowa?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Things are bad enough for Edwards already. Kucinich can only make it worse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m not jumping to any conclusions either. A sitting Congressman and Candidate for the Presidency has asked for a hand recount of the NH vote. That in itself is a huge story, imo.</p>
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<p>If they ‘fix’ NH and give it to Obama, then Edwards is out. Is that what Kucinich wants? What kind of lefty is he?</p>
<p>Is he going to also call for an investigation of Obama’s youth support and voting irregularities in Iowa?</p>
<p>Things are bad enough for Edwards already. Kucinich can only make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/the-surge-in-delusion-is-working/#comment-1199026</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am a firm believer in paper ballots, and optical scan ballots can be recounted. If people are suggesting she cheated, she ought to demand a recount.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe Obama cheated in Iowa and then said it was justified because Howard Dean did the same in ‘04 by busing in kids to vote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then, someone decided to not let him have a free ride and cheated in NH to even the playing field. Great, but John Edwards, who had an early lead in Iowa by about 5% pts never got a win and now has lost time, money and momentum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can we continue this madness with bad election processes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Madness madness madness!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am a firm believer in paper ballots, and optical scan ballots can be recounted. If people are suggesting she cheated, she ought to demand a recount.</p>
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<p>I believe Obama cheated in Iowa and then said it was justified because Howard Dean did the same in ‘04 by busing in kids to vote.</p>
<p>Then, someone decided to not let him have a free ride and cheated in NH to even the playing field. Great, but John Edwards, who had an early lead in Iowa by about 5% pts never got a win and now has lost time, money and momentum.</p>
<p>How can we continue this madness with bad election processes?</p>
<p>Madness madness madness!</p>
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		<title>By: marshen</title>
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		<dc:creator>marshen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fox ran a text message poll during the debate and the follow up. Ron Paul won 32%. Huck and Mitt got 22% each. They never discussed the poll during the post debate show with Hannity and Colmes but it remained on the screen  throughout the show.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox ran a text message poll during the debate and the follow up. Ron Paul won 32%. Huck and Mitt got 22% each. They never discussed the poll during the post debate show with Hannity and Colmes but it remained on the screen  throughout the show.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/the-surge-in-delusion-is-working/#comment-1197707</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously we have differing perspectives of what we lived through.  I’m 55 and while I attended a military HS in the mid-South in the late ’60s, I was aware of far more than just &lt;i&gt;Ramparts&lt;/i&gt; as being against the war.  Or maybe the anti-war media was highlighted more frequently in that environment.  But the tide turning did begin in ‘68 after Cronkite had returned from Vietnam and the Tet offensive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously we have differing perspectives of what we lived through.  I’m 55 and while I attended a military HS in the mid-South in the late ’60s, I was aware of far more than just <i>Ramparts</i> as being against the war.  Or maybe the anti-war media was highlighted more frequently in that environment.  But the tide turning did begin in ‘68 after Cronkite had returned from Vietnam and the Tet offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That spread is the same as the urban/suburban  vs rural spread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20.....html#NHDEM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;43-35 urban&lt;br /&gt;
42-35 surburban&lt;br /&gt;
39-34 rural&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rural counties are more like to hand count.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That spread is the same as the urban/suburban  vs rural spread.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20&#8230;..html#NHDEM</a></p>
<p>43-35 urban<br />
42-35 surburban<br />
39-34 rural</p>
<p>Rural counties are more like to hand count.</p>
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		<title>By: RayDuray</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayDuray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You are somewhat correct about Vietnam in the initial stages but that all changed in ‘68 IIRC. Specifically, when Cronkite came back froma visit and said it was unwinnable. I believe at that point, LBJ was quoted as saying “If we’ve lost Cronkite, we’ve lost the American public.” And from that point on, the majority of the American press was far more adversarial with the gov’t than they’d been previously &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sometimes I think I live in a parallel universe. I am 57 years old. I started my subscription to Ramparts Magazine when I was 15, in 1965. I started my subscription to I.F. Stone’s Weekly, The New Republic and Commentary the following year. My parents took the local NW Illinois newspaper and the Chicago Tribune. Until 1968, Only Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth about Viet Nam. In 1969 I moved to Madison to get tear gassed and laid. I dropped TNR and Commentary. They were smarmy, crappy elitist imperial ass-licking rags back then too. I took the Madison newspaper. And after 1969 I noticed one thing. Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth and opposing the war and every other god-damned source of MSM news I had was cheerleading the war. Kronkite was just stating the obvious to the country. Anyone with a brain knew from 1965 that the war was unwinnable. In my high school class that amounted to two of us out of 73 graduates (class of ‘68). The others labeled us Mr. &amp; Mrs. Marx for knowing stuff. That’s when I decided to look into Marxism. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I found out they know stuff, too.&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The first time I could really suggest that the media were adversarial was in 1971 when Daniel Ellsberg attempted to have the Pentagon Papers published. That was really an outlier, as far as I was concerned, because I’d become totally blase about the MSM, assuming it was simply carrying water for the LBJ and the Nixon thugs because that is what MSM does. I really think it was the Ellsberg thing that burst the dam. Of course by that time I was off tear gas an into an entirely different kind of gas. So my memory of the ’60s that occurred in the ’70s was… well, never mind…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>You are somewhat correct about Vietnam in the initial stages but that all changed in ‘68 IIRC. Specifically, when Cronkite came back froma visit and said it was unwinnable. I believe at that point, LBJ was quoted as saying “If we’ve lost Cronkite, we’ve lost the American public.” And from that point on, the majority of the American press was far more adversarial with the gov’t than they’d been previously </p></blockquote>
<p>Sometimes I think I live in a parallel universe. I am 57 years old. I started my subscription to Ramparts Magazine when I was 15, in 1965. I started my subscription to I.F. Stone’s Weekly, The New Republic and Commentary the following year. My parents took the local NW Illinois newspaper and the Chicago Tribune. Until 1968, Only Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth about Viet Nam. In 1969 I moved to Madison to get tear gassed and laid. I dropped TNR and Commentary. They were smarmy, crappy elitist imperial ass-licking rags back then too. I took the Madison newspaper. And after 1969 I noticed one thing. Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth and opposing the war and every other god-damned source of MSM news I had was cheerleading the war. Kronkite was just stating the obvious to the country. Anyone with a brain knew from 1965 that the war was unwinnable. In my high school class that amounted to two of us out of 73 graduates (class of ‘68). The others labeled us Mr. &amp; Mrs. Marx for knowing stuff. That’s when I decided to look into Marxism. <a href="http://www.marxists.org/" rel="nofollow">I found out they know stuff, too.</a>  </p>
<p>The first time I could really suggest that the media were adversarial was in 1971 when Daniel Ellsberg attempted to have the Pentagon Papers published. That was really an outlier, as far as I was concerned, because I’d become totally blase about the MSM, assuming it was simply carrying water for the LBJ and the Nixon thugs because that is what MSM does. I really think it was the Ellsberg thing that burst the dam. Of course by that time I was off tear gas an into an entirely different kind of gas. So my memory of the ’60s that occurred in the ’70s was… well, never mind…</p>
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		<title>By: MarieRoget</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarieRoget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Same here, Loo Hoo, although I had to borrow the orange jacket, which dates back to my daughter’s punk days.  Going to ACLU Gitmo rally tonight in Hollywood.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For those who may have never read this (I number myself among them), here’s link to a 2004 Slate article that sums up GWB’s life choices pretty well:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2100064/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Misunderestimated Man- How Bush Chose Stupidity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Off to work.  Read you all later.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here, Loo Hoo, although I had to borrow the orange jacket, which dates back to my daughter’s punk days.  Going to ACLU Gitmo rally tonight in Hollywood.</p>
<p>For those who may have never read this (I number myself among them), here’s link to a 2004 Slate article that sums up GWB’s life choices pretty well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2100064/" rel="nofollow">The Misunderestimated Man- How Bush Chose Stupidity</a></p>
<p>Off to work.  Read you all later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blue Texan has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/more-proof-that-the-surge-is-a-success-the-return-of-shock-and-awe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shiny new post&lt;/a&gt; upstairs!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue Texan has a <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/more-proof-that-the-surge-is-a-success-the-return-of-shock-and-awe/" rel="nofollow">shiny new post</a> upstairs!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/the-surge-in-delusion-is-working/#comment-1197679</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/more-proof-that-the-surge-is-a-success-the-return-of-shock-and-awe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/11/more-proof-that-the-surge-is-a-success-the-return-of-shock-and-awe/" rel="nofollow">new post</a></p>
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		<title>By: RayDuray</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayDuray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Methinks the lady from Texas has been swigging koolaid&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sandra Day O’Conner hails from Arizona. They grow lots of reptiles down there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Methinks the lady from Texas has been swigging koolaid</p></blockquote>
<p>Sandra Day O’Conner hails from Arizona. They grow lots of reptiles down there.</p>
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