On the anniversary of President Bush’s decision to send an additional 30,000 US combat soldiers to Iraq, the President’s neocon backers, led by Senators McCain and Lieberman, are proclaiming the surge a success (C&L has more). And from their perspective it is a success, even though the surge achieved none of the President’s stated goals. But I doubt those were ever the real goals.
It seems more likely that the strategic goal — apart from not wanting to be perceived as having "lost" Iraq — was to prolong the US military occupation in the heart of the Middle East as a counter to Iran. Whatever their effect on the Iraq front, the 30,000 additional combat troops would be positioned forward as a means of putting pressure on Iran. By sheer luck, however, the forward strategy got an unexpected boost when the Sunni tribes in Anbar and elsewhere turned on their more radical allies — those the Administration wants us to call "al Qaeda" — and stopped fighting Americans.
General Petraeus then bet that by bankrolling the Sunni Awakening Councils, he could essentially create and arm a counterforce to the Iranian influence without instigating a massive civil war with the Shia government. We’ve essentially bought and armed an 80,000 man Sunni militia ready to do war with the Iranian-backed Shia, and perhaps the Iranians themselves. It’s crazy and reckless, but the recklessly crazy neocons are thrilled at the prospects.
Even Petraeus doesn’t know whether his bet was wise or foolhardy. Bush and Petraeus created conditions that [they'll claim] require us to remain there, perhaps indefinitely, to make sure our bought and paid for Sunni militia doesn’t turn on the Shia government that refuses to include them.
Cheney’s necons can now argue the major thing keeping a full scale civil war from erupting is the massive presence of US troops, plus continuously bankrolling the Sunni militia and allowing Sunni local self governance in defiance of a weakened central government. Any hopes of creating conditions that would allow an easy US withdrawal have thus been thoroughly undermined, but that doesn’t matter to the surge defenders. The next President will inherit a self-sustaining justification for an indefinite occupation. No wonder John McCain said recently he had no problem with a 100-1000 year occupation . . . as long as it’s only Iraqis dying.
In a moment of unusual candor last year, the President told his biographer that his goal was to lock the next Administration into a continued US military presence in Iraq. It appears he’s largely succeeded. There are no Presidential front runners in either party promising a total withdrawal of US forces in 2009, and none who challenge the central premise of US policy that the US occupation is a force for stability and peace rather than a cause of continued resistance.
Thomas Ricks appeared on Countdown to restate the themes of his and Karen De Young’s Washington Post article today. The Administration has essentially given up on claiming the US can actually produce reconciliation among the Iraqis. The strategy has evolved to "let the Iraqis figure it out."
The Administration’s forced conversion to a perverted form of Iraqi self determination comes just in time, because the "surge" is over. The inescapable math of troop availability will force Petraeus to give up about a combat brigade a month through the spring. He’s left with hoping the propaganda about the surge actually causing the reduction in violence is actually true. The more logical causal explanations include completed ethnic cleansing, massive dislocations/refugees, Sunni conversions and an opportunistic truce from the Mahdi Army, just as critics are claiming, but Petraeus will take whatever works.
Just as we saw in Afghanistan, the forced reduction in combat troops will encourage US commanders to rely more on air power — and bombing driven by imperfect ground intelligence will likely come at a price of killing more innocents, just as occurred in Afghanistan. Petraeus has little or no flexibility to extend the surge, because the Pentagon is already planning to shift another brigade to Afghanistan. It will probably be the first of several such "surges" into that country as they try to rescue the deteriorating situation on the border with a now chaotic Pakistan.
Update: Think Progress has the Ricks/Countdown video. Glenn Greenwald describes common American political rhetoric about war.
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Good morning Scarecrow!
Scarecrow!
‘morning, Scarecrow – coffee is ready…
Mornin’ Scarecrow. Jeeze could you bring us some good news sometime…..
And the descent into chaos will continue until the ethnic cleansing is complete, the borders of Iraq are redrawn and ‘murca gets the fu** out.
epued from below. In response to Marion in Savannah @ 38
Well after RayDuray@46, it better be honey. Seriously if it’s November, cranberry season in the BlueBay. I can contribute a mean cranberry orange chutney that can be put on pancakes.
Idea!!
An election-day-after FDL breakfast cookbook. If Dkos can do a commenters united against trolls cookbook, we can do a commenters united period cook book.
Because I hope that we will be united then around the Democratic candidate whom we will be pressuring to remain or become even more progressive.
Morning all. Also delusional (well likewise dishonest and strategic) was the Iran gun boat tape. Funny how that has gotten deconstructed so quickly. These guys are REALLY convinced of our ignorance. And, of course, for far too many it continues.
The Repubs are invited. Crow will be served for them to eat.
Scrambled bush with dick sauce?
I would be happy to contribute to an FDL breakfast cookbook.
Good news? All the major Republican candidate have been thoroughly discredited after only two primaries. I’d say that’s pretty good news.
Morning all. Quasi-OT, my hopelessly EPU’d thoughts on Lamont’s Obama endorsement here.
what the neocons don’t know (or anybody else for that matter) is what will happen to their little scheme over the next eight months. if it goes sour by summer the blowback could make things much worse for their presidential and congressional candidates.
Dang, here’s Chicago Tribune article on Obama elbowed his way into politics that Steve AR shared last night:
But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.
A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.
Ah, yes the “mini-surge” which sounds so cute, a lot sweeter than saying “sending in more Americans to die attacking innocent Afghanis to prop up the administration’s weak PR.”
Good Morning Scarecrow, I’m with nomolos this morning, even tho what you say about the republicans is good news.
nomolos January 11th, 2008 at 5:11 am
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In response to BlueStateRedHead @ 6
Scrambled bush with dick sauce?
only larry flynt’s photographer can tell ……
Thanks now I feel better. If only we had real (not corporate) candidates on our side
I knew I shouldn’t have written that.
Matthews on Joe defending his Hillary got elected in NY vote… this should be good…
OC, I’ve never watched Joe. Should I?
OT~ Point of interest: Obama-Clinton: remarkable opscan v. handcount results
Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
B Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%
~
Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
B Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%
Coincidence???
Tweety now claiming it is “her poise” in the situation that got her elected… after all he didn’t mean what he said – he was misunderstood…
Scarecrow, it’s all criminal nonsense. There’s nobody on the face of this earth who can make sense of the Iraq occupation. No One.
only for the outrage…
Matthews now picking a fight with Barbara Walters… “I don’t like being critisized for historic fact”…
LOL
now Matthews being patronizing to Walters – what an idiot…
More good news: the prez said the “occupation” must end. He was talking about the IDF in Palestine.
Joe chiming in, “this is what got Hillary the vote in NH this week!”
Lou Costello, do you think Hillary’s people cheated? If so, how?
I am a firm believer in paper ballots, and optical scan ballots can be recounted. If people are suggesting she cheated, she ought to demand a recount.
Hi Scarecrow.
Baghdad is 250 square miles. There are 640 acres per mile. 250 x 640 = 160,000 acres in Baghdad. And 30,000 “surge” troops.
At 160,000/30,000 that equates to one additional troop for every 5.3 acres.
I’m not sure how this was meant to accomplish anything at all.
I might otherwise say “So what? Not enough people are listening.” But if they’re discredited (and I agree that they are) so early in this longest campaign ever, it’s bound to get through eventually.
I hope.
LOL, when I read “get the fu**” out, I read “get the fuel out.”
Morning Pups!
There is too much killing being done in that region of the world. Our treasury is being stolen. It must stop.
We The People must move the next president to do our will. Hopefully we will have a president who will listen and lead us there. I think that any of the Democratic candidates have the potential to do that.
Do as I say, not as I do.
OT. BSRH, is case you missed it below:
Brought to you through the magic of Google, RayDuray’s list of progressive news digests.
i think it’s good news that Chris Matthews is having to defend himself on his own network. It’s pretty clear MSNBC is giving him extra appearances on other shows to allow him to explain himself, knowing what happened to Imus.
My mom taught me that the only stupid question is the one you don’t ask. So far, I’ve been ignoring that wise advice for a long time around here. Time to stop. So here goes:
Um, what’s “EPU” mean?
Loo Hoo, I just pointing it out. I draw no conclusions, but who does ‘Big Business’ back? That’s who seems to get the optical ‘win’. IMO
Evil Parallel Universe
http://www.urbandictionary.com…..PU’d
Matthews must be getting six ways ’til Sunday – everyone is really having to jump to his defense.
EPU – initial for a long-time commenter, Evil Parallel Universe, who had a habit of posting long, insightful comments at the end of a thread, but after everyone had moved on to the next thread. To be EPUed is to have that happen to your comment.
EPU = Evil Parallel Universe
There’s a story there, but I don’t know what it is.
Basically it means getting caught posting a comment to a thread after everyone has moved on to a new thread.
What did Chris do? I haven’t been able to watch him since he started the Hillarybashfest.
Just passing by …
and in the Real Parallel Universe are those damn animated ads. Having just watched X-files season 2, episode “Blood” I know why they make you crazy.
The Occupation is a monkey on our back. It’s cost is going to bleed the American economy dry. Within the term of the next Presidency, the American people are going to have to decide whether they prefer paying for an Occupation or getting some decent health care and protecting their retirement, because that’s what the choice is. We also have the problem of a broken army.
Whoever gets elected President (I’m assuming it will be a Democrat) has to own up this choice to the American people. Otherwise the inevitable disaster will be on his or her shoulders, and we will be back where we started with a revived reactionary movement at home.
thanks.
richardson live cnn now
The republicans sounded like so many dolts last night. Who did FOX say “won”?
And I’ll bet you downloaded them from the internet. This is exactly why the WGA must stand strong and win.
Viva La Huega!
Here’s an EPU to you too.
(COPY from before)
OK, so I’m planning a party for 300. We are going to have an “Ides of March” march here in Central Oregon. Fifth anniversary of that misbegotten son-of-a-bitch Bush’s profiteering racket in Iraq.
Now what I have in mind is a big parade, and then a really awesome feast of Iraqi cuisine. Can you dig the message here? “PREPARE TO VISIT THE 51st STATE, PEOPLE!” I’m wondering if any of you gourmet culinary geniuses can help me with the menus?
I’m thinking along the lines of thousands of mezas, those wonderful little plates akin to Spanish tapas.
Baba ganoush, dolmas, hummus, sumac infused fish soup, lamb kebabs, halwa, spanikopita, that sort of thing.
Anyone got any favorites to suggest?
***
Also, Ms. BSRH, did you find the resuscited link to the news digest list. It’s in the last thread.
He claimed he was taken out of context… revised his point to say he was saying Clinton “was heroic”… then everyone on the panel agreed that Barbara Walters is a mean old bitch and slapped Matthews on the back and said “everyone should watch Hardballs”…
Matthews is in trouble…
KUCINICH CALLS FOR ‘RECOUNT’ OF NEW HAMPSHIRE BALLOTS
Cites Concerns About ‘Unexplained Disparities’ in Hand and Diebold Machine Counted Ballots
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5544#more-5544
Analysts at the Election Defense Alliance (EDA) have confirmed that based on the official results on the New Hampshire Secretary of state web site, there is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes, when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan v. votes tabulated by hand:
Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%
Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%
The percentages appear to be swapped. That seems highly unusual, to say the least.
Along with his incessant Hillary bashing, Matthews said the only reason she won the Senate in NY was because of her husband’s affairs.
See also, Glenn Greenwald, also digby, Jane, Attaturk, Blue Texan, etc.
and that pinch of HIllary’s cheek, how’d they blow that off
yep. hand-count.
it wasn’t mentioned…
were the hand count ballots distributed evenly, equally among supporters of all candidates, or were they only given to people who asked for them? I need a few more details before I jump to a conclusion. many variables unaccounted for.
Yes. A real accounting of the surge effect would include the opportunity costs — the things we didn’t do and could have done and what we can’t afford to do. One wonders what would have happened in Afghanistan/Pakistan if we had not invaded Iraq.
Re:
DoD: “We’re an Empire now. Trust us, it’s worth it.”
This is a drive-by but I must vent before leaving. What ticks me off the most is the way we’ve stood by while I govt. censors the news. No photos from Iraq? The email of soldiers censored? WTF? Imagine how much more unpopular this war would be if we actually knew what was going on over there. It really stinks. In a different era, the press would be outraged but in today’s America, I don’t hear a peep.
I’m not jumping to any conclusions either. A sitting Congressman and Candidate for the Presidency has asked for a hand recount of the NH vote. That in itself is a huge story, imo.
Good morning from L.A., Scarecrow. Regarding the frontrunner candidate positions on a continuing presence of large amounts of troops in Iraq, I thought this exchange in the comments on Col. Pat Lang’s blog post “Homage to New Hampshire” was interesting. Lang is, I believe, one of Hillary’s foreign policy advisers:
Oh, I didn’t mean to diminish the importance of the story, I just think there may be other explanations for the disprepencies.
Or if the trillion or so spent on Iraq had been spent on health care. Soldiers alive, Iraqis alive — and our own citizens kept alive and healthier.
Morning, all! Yesterday, I saw a professor from the War College on Washington Journal. This guy was talking about the “success of the surge”. Every time a caller asked about how any of this is going to translate into any political improvement, he just kept equivocating and talking about “the need for multi-pronged approaches”.
Speaking of accounting and surge: “WASHINGTON (AP) — The Commerce Department reports that the U.S. trade deficit surged in November to $63.1 billion, the highest level in 14 months, reflecting record imports of foreign oil.”
Re:
I’m afraid your “good old days” memories may be clouded. I’ve done quite a study of the media and wars going back to WW II. The press was never outraged about anything the government did. Oh, there were outliers like Ramparts Magazine and I.F. Stone’s Weekly during Viet Nam, but they were tiny and only read by the intelligentsia who held no power.
For the most part, the media have been lapdogs for the govenment for, well, almost forever.
The last time that the press really differed with the government was when Northern editors complained in their papers about Abe Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression. Lincoln knew just what to do. He threw habeus corpus out the window and locked the editors up without charges, bail or any rights for the duration. Funny how this democracy stuff works, isn’t it?
The way I read the story, the discrepancy is between ‘precincts’ that hand counted as opposed to machine counted. It would be nice if this type of problem were discovered this early in the process, there’s lots of machines out there.
OT and Tinfoil hat. Amazing what Bush is saying in Israel these days – especially about Palestinian issues and settlements. Indeed it is shocking considering the history of this admin. He is actually calling the West Bank situation an occupation. Why is he doing this, considering his history, and why now? I don’t think it is only about trying to broker a peace. I bet he has cut a deal with Isr*el to bomb Iran very soon. An act which also would help jig our economy (Industrial-Military aspects) and press patriotism (to the likely benefit of the Rethugs).
OT 2 – and very different. Yesterday’s Kerry pubic support for Obama and the meal which supposedly preceded it made me think of the strange very public lunch that Bloomberg had with Obama in a NYC deli (a glass window offering a view to the world – and esp. reporters. Why? Could it be that Bloomberg’s purported moves toward a run for the presidency is in fact a prelude to an Obama offer to Bloomberg – post primary – to become his VP? It would be historic (and might help deflate the animus between blacks and J*ws that has developed here over the last 30 years or so. Question is how good Bloomberg would be as a candidate, and what Obama’s sense of him is. But if Obama is the candidate to make it through the primary, I don’t see any 1 demographic or area as key to the general. (Richardson might help with seniors and hispanic, but others, I don’t know). BTW – this could also work with Hillary, except that 2 New Yorkers doesn’t make much sense. A couple of other things, this would complete the spoken interests of both Obama and Bloomberg in uniting not dividing. And, if Bloomberg makes an independent run, he must know he would never win and would go down in history with a reputation like Nader as a spoiler – something especially bad considering underlying issues of race and religion that are involved in any such decision.
I watched that too. He couldn’t say enough about how jaw-droppingly staggering the amount of sucksesses were that he saw in Iraq. He always knew that we would “win” but he never imagined how much progress had been made and what a lovely sucksess it all was. He said the troops were now rooting out the last remaining pockets of Al Qaeda and that the troops were giving Tootsie Pops to the Iraqi children — apparently the degree of sucksess can be measured in cases of Tootsie Pops.
Talk about kool-aid colored glasses…
Re:
If you need to get up to speed, Brad Blog and Black Box Voting will be the places to read.
.
And here’s a WP story on the deficit surge:
oh wait! that’s from 1999. before Bush.
JMO
The “best” part of the U.S. occupation of Iraq (from U.S. military POV) has already been seen. It has taken some time for U.S. adversaries to take the measure of the new U.S. measures & figure out how to combat them. Over the next year, things will get a lot worse for the U.S. in Iraq.
And, Juan Cole has a wonderful article this morning about the fake attack by Iranian cigar boats and how the R candidates embarrassed themselves (again) over that incident at last night’s debate.
Is that like sticking a fork in it?
Just for fun…
The Difference Between American and British English:
During a visit to America, Winston Churchill was invited to a buffet luncheon at which cold fried chicken was served. Returning for a second helping, he asked politely, “May I have some breast?”
“Mr. Churchill,” replied the hostess, “in this country we ask for white meat or dark meat.” Churchill apologized profusely.
The following morning, the lady received a magnificent orchid from her guest of honor. The accompanying card read: “I would be most obliged if you would pin this on your white meat.”
You’re confusing Andrew Jackson with Abraham Lincoln. More on this from Justice O’Connor.
LOL. *g* – And this from a man whose countrymen used to cover piano legs with mini skirts so that they would not offend Victorian era sensibilties!
G’morning. Is anyone else appalled at the concept of George W. Bush preening as a peace broker in the Middle East? Oxymoronic. Or is it just moronic? Heard a clip of his soft, soothing Texas drawl, proclaiming that there will be a peace accord in his time. Everyone who believes a word he says raise your hand. (pause) I said, everyone who believes a word he says…oh. I see.
it’s revolting
Here’s the Juan Cole link. Read it and fume.
They’re still in the “creating reality” mode. That’s soooo 04. Don’t pay a bit of attention to it.
Yep, and a caller asking about the “rooting out of al Qaeda” asked him why that meant anything when al Qaeda was only a small fraction of the “insurgents” in Iraq to begin with. He had no real answer.
And they say that those on the left have no sense of humor…?
-MS
Got the Punaisish joke but not the food reference. What is the bush in question and is it scrambalable in my frying pan? (Snark on a reverse move from fire to frying page welcome, but I have to (ref. to last thread) buzz off.
I’ll be back at late nite with a formal proposal for the
FIREDOGLAKE ELECTION ELECTION MORNING AFTER MARION-INSPIRED COOKBOOK
Re:
I can’t help but think that this is too simplistic a statement. KBR, Blackwater and the other contractors may see an increase in profits if there is an escalation of hostilities. More profits, more good times. And if the war really start to rage, then there will be a renewed call for an increase in recruits. More profits for the PR firms handling the advertising for the service branches. And if the war hots up, then covert arms dealers worldwide will see profits increasing. Fuel suppliers will find their products commanding ever increasing premiums, so the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal families will profit.
All in all, I think there could be a preponderance of playeers who would prefer an increase in overall violence. Let’s not forget the J-DAM manufacturers. They’ll be happy too.
Shoot, it’s hard to think of anybody not having more success with this win-win-win-win-win scenario.
Your Friend, Milo Minderbinder
CNN just showed a clip of Bush visiting a memorial – the headline underneath said “Bush, Peacekeeper?”
Democratic leadership over easy.
My comment was in reference to U.S. politics.
OMG!! Tell me you’re kidding. Fantasy. Total fantasy!!
Copy on that. Will go back for links. And will ask a Syrian friend for suggestions for the meal.
bye for the day. see y’all tonite on late nite.
We can all forget all about all these problems if the Bush family gives us a wonderful White House wedding this year. After all, we all want to share their joy.
Yes, but what he is saying IS pretty amazing considering what has been said/ has happened in the past. That is why I wonder what the underlying issues are, other than trying to build a more positive reputation for himself, Condi, and the Rethugs running.
Hmm, what could the answer to that question possibly be?
Here’s the NYT coverage of Bush statements in the ME. What I noticed on the news clips, yesterday, was that when Bush made the most forthright statements on what the Israelis had to do and what the Palestinians needed to do, and the fact the “occupation” must end, he wasn’t ad libbing — he was reading from a prepared script — it was the official US position, verbatim.
When he first said he doesn’t do timetables, and then immediately said he’s on a timetable — only 12 months left — he was off the cuff.
Re:
Uh, no. I’m pretty sure that Abe Lincoln was the President as the U.S. entered the Civil War.
Citing Justice O’Conner will not win you any affection from this quarter. Look what that twisted mind wrote here:
“I think that history shows that President Lincoln did not arrest civilians during the Civil War to repress political dissent, but only to protect the military and security interests of a nation at war.”
Words fail me. A more perfect argument for dictatorship cannot be imagined. This slippery-slope logic is tantamount to the creation of a police state at the unilateral discretion of the executive. Dictatorship.
For those who like to scare themselves before lunch, I offer the next step in thie Orwellian descent into militarized hell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKB4IPFO5ao
this is SO frustrating, we KNEW this was his goal and we let him do it to us
what the frig is going on?..we’re now stuck in Iraq?
bullcrap, I want the next president to GET US THE FRIG OUT
Our President, visiting the Holocaust Museum, says we should have bombed Auschwitz. Link.
Winston Churchill was invited to swank party with all the society people in London at the start of WW II. As was his way, he had a few hiballs and a few glass of sherry along the way.
The hostess was an American ex-pat named Lady Nancy Astor, a very proper and well propped up matron who was perhaps shall we say a bit on the plain side.
Offended by Winston’s drunk and boisterous behavior, she chastised him scolding, “Winston! You’re drunk!”
To which Churchill replied, “Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I shall be sober. And you shall still be ugly.”
Methinks the lady from Texas has been swigging koolaid
You are somewhat correct about Vietnam in the initial stages but that all changed in ‘68 IIRC. Specifically, when Cronkite came back froma visit and said it was unwinnable.
I believe at that point, LBJ was quoted as saying “If we’ve lost Cronkite, we’ve lost the American public.”
And from that point on, the majority of the American press was far more adversarial with the gov’t than they’d been previously and the outliers were more to the right (like Time mag which was a noted right wing rag in those days).
If I understand what you are saying, it is that what Bush is doing is basically b.s. talking the “hard line” without time tables (which basically means same old same old). Correct on your pov? My response would be that, as with the torture issue (they refuse to say they do it), just having a US President, particularly one such as Bush a well known ally of Isr*el in a ME war agenda, is a MAJOR change. It will be very hard to put this back in the bottle so to speak. And, following from that, neither Bush (official US policy makers) nor I…. did this without something else going on as well of pretty big import.
Winston Churchill was invited to swank party with all the society people in London at the start of WW II. As was his way, he had a few hiballs and a few glass of sherry along the way.
The hostess was an American ex-pat named Lady Nancy Astor, a very proper and well propped up matron who was perhaps shall we say a bit on the plain side.
Offended by Winston’s drunk and boisterous behavior, she chastised him scolding, “Winston! You’re drunk!”
To which Churchill replied, “Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I shall be sober. And you shall still be ugly.”
Richmond — I’m not connecting the two statements. Only mentioning that his comments on what the parties must do was official, not something he was making up.
this is SO frustrating, we KNEW this was his goal and we let him do it to us
what the frig is going on?..we’re now stuck in Iraq?
bullcrap, I want the next president to GET US THE FRIG OUT
Good thread, ‘Crow!
Now, can someone ask Sen. Clinton if she thinks we’re winning?
Because, I think her answer might embarrass a few of her cheerleaders on here.
Hey, DaKine, how’s about you head out to a Clinton rally and sneak the question at her:
“Sen. Clinton, do you think we’re winning in Iraq?”
And then, you and the rest of her cheerleaders can talk about her answer.
:o)
Re:
George Bush? Who’s he? Dead man walking the lame duck shuffle?
Bush was visibly moved as he toured the site, said Yad Vashem’s chairman, Avner Shalev.
”Twice, I saw tears well up in his eyes,” Shalev said.
Uh-oh.
;)
Good thread, ‘Crow!
Now, let’s ask Clinton if she thinks we’re winning in Iraq. And then we can watch her cheerleaders on her deal with her bushCo-patented answer.
:o)
Sorry, folks. someone tripped over the plug, but we’re back now.
if abu graeb is an indication he would have re opened it
I agree with you completely. (And thanks for replugging the site :-)!
Got booted off FDL for a while. Enforced cooling-off period. *g*
I’m now off my high horse a bit, trying to differentiate between Dubya the Peacekeeper and a principled peacemaker.
Definitions:
Peacekeeper: Merriam-Webster: the preserving of peace; especially : international enforcement and supervision of a truce between hostile states or communities
Peacemaker: Martin Luther King: “A peacemaker is someone who has sought to teach, to transform, to make friends, to heal, to defeat injustice or to choose love instead of hate.”
Ergo, peacekeeping seems to be an enforcement issue, which probably fits BushCo perfectly. Enforcing peace, I mean.
Tears in his eyes…. that freakin’ guy should be president.
PS I do believe I may the guilty one to send the server into a tailspin. I put a bad word in there by mistake… sorry
I’m quite aware of the occupant of the White House during the Civil War, Ray. Did you look to see what O’Connor said, or just dismiss her out of hand? She noted that Jackson imprisoned a newspaper editor with whom he disagreed, not Lincoln.
You don’t like O’Connor? Fine. Perhaps the best study of the suspension of habeas corpus is Geoffrey R. Stone’s “Perilous Times: Free Speech in Wartime, from the Sedition Act of 1798 to the War on Terrorism.” It is very thorough, well-documented, and highly readable. Stone’s conclusion to his chapter on the Civil War is this:
(Footnotes omitted.)
This is Stone’s summary, after showing the various cases of commanders overreaching and the acts Lincoln took to rein them in.
Read Emptywheel’s take on the boats VS. USN. It’s great, and LS is too funny. She dubbed the voice over Borat.
Call the folks with the straight jackets.
Barbara@81; I am sho’ nuff appalled, but I’ve expended so much of the stuff that I’m temporarily running low on “appall”, which of course, is part of the GOP’s strategerie.
I mean, at this point, the entire republican and conservative construct is a house of cards mortared-in with a slurry of bullshit and Koolaid.
And the main reason I’m so pissed at Clinton is that she has been so very, very, helpful to bushCo, with the masonwork.
Scarecrow did a great job on this. He dissected the splurge like a sadistic sophomore in a high-school biology class, scalpel in hand, as he worked on his first bullfrog. :o)
Like I said a few posts up; someone just ask Hillary if she thinks we’re winning. Hell, ask Edwards and Obama the same thing, and let’s see who’s got the “cajones” to speak some of the good truth that Scarecrow just spoke, to the american people.
Because, if SOMEONE doesn’t start speaking it, that helicopter-on-the-roof-of-the-CIA-Station moment is going to come as one hell of a shock. And I would sure prefer that it comes on the watch of the people who created and sustained the clusterfuck, (HELLLOOOOO, Sen. Clinton! :o) ) than on the watch of a democratic prez presiding over a solid dem majority in both houses.
Bush’s tears stopped once he was reminded about how the family fortune was made with the help of the Nazis.
No one here caused the site to go down.
Sorry for the double…it’s been dicey, lately.
chimp is talking about compensating the Palestinians for the land Israel took from them. All those billions of dollars we’re pissing away in Iraq could have gone a long way towards that compensation…
Off to work wearing orange.
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Sorry. You didn’t get the memo? All insurgents in Iraq are now al Qaeda. That’s what they are called. Please update your memory banks. “Freedom fighter, resistance and insurgent” are no longer operable terms in the theater.
Col. Klink
Maybe part of the crying was based on guilt. Oh sorry, I forgot, this is Bush.
He’s crying about how much more money they could have made if those darned Germans had just SURGED…
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That’s correct. I don’t have a good sense of humor, it’s true. I’m merely a godless
comm…plagiarist.It must be my post 9/11 paranoia
And is being increased by same.
forgive ot and length. here is advisory from work…
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Sandra Day O’Conner hails from Arizona. They grow lots of reptiles down there.
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Same here, Loo Hoo, although I had to borrow the orange jacket, which dates back to my daughter’s punk days. Going to ACLU Gitmo rally tonight in Hollywood.
For those who may have never read this (I number myself among them), here’s link to a 2004 Slate article that sums up GWB’s life choices pretty well:
The Misunderestimated Man- How Bush Chose Stupidity
Off to work. Read you all later.
Blue Texan has a shiny new post upstairs!
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Sometimes I think I live in a parallel universe. I am 57 years old. I started my subscription to Ramparts Magazine when I was 15, in 1965. I started my subscription to I.F. Stone’s Weekly, The New Republic and Commentary the following year. My parents took the local NW Illinois newspaper and the Chicago Tribune. Until 1968, Only Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth about Viet Nam. In 1969 I moved to Madison to get tear gassed and laid. I dropped TNR and Commentary. They were smarmy, crappy elitist imperial ass-licking rags back then too. I took the Madison newspaper. And after 1969 I noticed one thing. Ramparts and I.F. Stone were telling the truth and opposing the war and every other god-damned source of MSM news I had was cheerleading the war. Kronkite was just stating the obvious to the country. Anyone with a brain knew from 1965 that the war was unwinnable. In my high school class that amounted to two of us out of 73 graduates (class of ‘68). The others labeled us Mr. & Mrs. Marx for knowing stuff. That’s when I decided to look into Marxism. I found out they know stuff, too.
The first time I could really suggest that the media were adversarial was in 1971 when Daniel Ellsberg attempted to have the Pentagon Papers published. That was really an outlier, as far as I was concerned, because I’d become totally blase about the MSM, assuming it was simply carrying water for the LBJ and the Nixon thugs because that is what MSM does. I really think it was the Ellsberg thing that burst the dam. Of course by that time I was off tear gas an into an entirely different kind of gas. So my memory of the ’60s that occurred in the ’70s was… well, never mind…
That spread is the same as the urban/suburban vs rural spread.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…..html#NHDEM
43-35 urban
42-35 surburban
39-34 rural
Rural counties are more like to hand count.
Obviously we have differing perspectives of what we lived through. I’m 55 and while I attended a military HS in the mid-South in the late ’60s, I was aware of far more than just Ramparts as being against the war. Or maybe the anti-war media was highlighted more frequently in that environment. But the tide turning did begin in ‘68 after Cronkite had returned from Vietnam and the Tet offensive.
Fox ran a text message poll during the debate and the follow up. Ron Paul won 32%. Huck and Mitt got 22% each. They never discussed the poll during the post debate show with Hannity and Colmes but it remained on the screen throughout the show.
I believe Obama cheated in Iowa and then said it was justified because Howard Dean did the same in ‘04 by busing in kids to vote.
Then, someone decided to not let him have a free ride and cheated in NH to even the playing field. Great, but John Edwards, who had an early lead in Iowa by about 5% pts never got a win and now has lost time, money and momentum.
How can we continue this madness with bad election processes?
Madness madness madness!
If they ‘fix’ NH and give it to Obama, then Edwards is out. Is that what Kucinich wants? What kind of lefty is he?
Is he going to also call for an investigation of Obama’s youth support and voting irregularities in Iowa?
Things are bad enough for Edwards already. Kucinich can only make it worse.