Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Stupidest thing anyone has said this campaign season goes to Lawrence O'Donnell:
John Edwards is a loser. He has won exactly two elections in his life and lost 31. Only one of his wins and all of his losses were in presidential primaries and caucuses. He remains perfectly positioned to continue to lose with a Kucinich-like consistency. Nothing but egomania keeps Edwards in the race now. All presidential candidates are egomaniacs but some of them have party status worth preserving that forces them to drop out when they hit the wall. A loser like Edwards has no status or dignity to lose. Campaigning and losing is his life. So, he will continue his simple-minded, losing campaign and deny Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the one-on-one contest they deserve.
If John Edwards stays in the race, he might, in the end, become nothing other than the Southern white man who stood in the way of the black man. And for that, he would deserve a lifetime of liberal condemnation.
A couple of points worth making (though I'm sure there will be many more):
1. People in New Hampshire had their asses handed to them making these kinds of pronouncements before the primary. O'Donnell seems to be the only one who didn't get the memo. John Edwards has earned the right to stay in the race as long as he wants to and can, he's a serious candidate and his presence is not a matter of anyone else's convenience.
2. Edwards has pretty much single handedly driven the populist, anti-poverty message this campaign, which both Clinton and Obama have been heavily appropriating of late. Just as Bill Richardson made a valuable contribution with his "no residual forces in Iraq" promise in the debate, so too has Edwards dragged everyone kicking and screaming onto the "dangers of corporate America" turf. That has value, and that value is ongoing unless you want to boil the slog to November down to simple horserace politics.
3. It is hardly fait accompli that Edwards votes would accrue to Obama. One diarist over at MyDD observed that as a Clinton volunteer on the ground in New Hampshire said were actively (and successfully) targeting the Edwards vote with low and middle income voters. So while CW had it that Edwards remaining in the race was a spoiler for Obama, that may not in fact be true. Nobody -- and certainly not Lawrence O'Donnell -- knows for sure.
4. Jerome Armstrong: "Certainly, Obama and Clinton have a monetary edge over Edwards, but don't discount earned media or Edwards having enough funds to compete well enough. All of the post-Iowa national polls have shown Edwards trending up into the 20 percents, and he's viable. There is no frontrunner."
5. The ugly identity politics on display here is a prime example of the place that nobody -- especially liberals -- wants to go. The day we stop talking about substance and this election all becomes about race and gender, we all lose. It is, abjectly, the stupidest thing that can happen in this campaign season.*
They're already mocking O'Donnell's ridiculous statement over at Kos. And rightly so. It's offensive on so many levels it's hard to count.
Update: * To clarify: I think there are very good discussions of race and gender that need to be had and hopefully having the these two candidates be our frontrunners will lead to that happening. What I meant to say, and probably didn’t say clearly enough is that a bunch of gender and race baiting that leads everybody to run off into their identity corners -- which then becomes the arbiter of who supports whom -- is a bad day for everyone.
Update II: Chris Hayes, writing about the Edwards campaign in The Nation: "Few remember that the signature economic policy of Bill Clinton's presidency, balancing the budget, originated as a plank in the platform of his primary rival Paul Tsongas. If the next Democratic President manages to pass universal healthcare or a carbon cap-and-trade, we'll owe the Edwards campaign a significant debt.
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Jane!
Hey Jane.
Yes, I vote for boiling slog.
Jesus - if Edwards were to drop out and go home, where are Hillary and Barack going to get their campaign slogans and issues?
I gave them a shout below.
Maybe O’Donnell just wants everyone to watch his head explode after SC. jeez.
Let’s not forget that Edwards outpulls most if not all the GOP creeps. That kicks butt in my book.
Great. Now, in addition to sexism and racism we have backlash against the white male.
Mr.O’Donnell, re. the “loser” meme: kettle, meet pot.
Re: identity politics:
Progressives have to be careful not to let race and gender short-circuit each other the way that happened in the 1960s. In that decade, the civil rights movement elided gender, while the first and second wave of feminism elided race. In the latter, in the name of universal sisterhood, white feminists elided women of color (in the US and in the third-world), who stood at the nexus of gender and race. As I said in a Jane thread yesterday, we have to be careful with these identity-politics categories of difference.
“So, he will continue his simple-minded, losing campaign and deny Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the one-on-one contest they deserve.”
That is the kind of thinking that is denying the citizens of the United States of America from having a chance to vote for the candidate of their choice. It is the American people who deserve something - not the candidates.
The media blackout of Edwards really pisses me off. Blatent manipulation of our primaries. They would love to force Edwards out of the race, and for that reason alone, I hope he stays in.
Runner Up:
“Impeach? Sorry, Nancy’s still Speaker.”
don’t hit me. i know, i know… /s
All of this is so Rovian….get rid of the good candidates, don’t let the Dems vote for their candidates, and then shove McCain or Mitt down our throats via voter fraud….and the neocon machine will role on.
Impeach.
Good post. As someone who supports Obama, but likes Edwards alot, I find the article to be quite insulting. If Obama should win it should be because he was able to sway the electorate with his own arguments. To suggest that it is somehow Edwards job to hand it to him is just plain ridiculous. Edwards has a real message of his own and even those he is not “winning” he has garnered support from many Democrats who presently do not feel comfortable with the other two major candidates. To drop out just for the sake of expediency will deny many people the right to express themselves at the ballot box and keep the focus on many issues that need to be addressed.
Absolutely!
Trying to read through some of the Illinois legislation that Obama claims he took part in, that Health care for all children. In a reading through the eligibility section it appears in a legal sense some children in Illinois especially mental heath types and Institutional types are not covered. I need to go over it some more to be certain. If thats correct, Hillary may well be correct not all children are covered by Obama’s so called heath plan. Yet he rants that they are. If so, did he write it all, if so what page and what line did he write. There are 26 lines per page and some 52 ( maybe off) pages to the document. He should be able to know.
Now, having a time getting through just the prologue in his book “Audacity of Hope”. Obama has some startling admissions that clearly show no vision.
Ladies and gentlemen of Ameica this guy is starting to scare me. Sit down and grip your chair and have an anti acid to help your newly achieved nausea.
On page ten Obama says ”That’s the topic of this book: how we might begin the process of changing our politics and our civic life. This isn’t to say that I know exactly how to do it. I don’t. Although I discuss in each chapter a number of our most pressing policy challenges, and suggest in broad strokes the path I believe we should follow, my treatment of issues is often partial and incomplete. I offer no unifying theory of American government nor do these pages provide a manifesto for action, complete with charts and graphs, timetables and ten-point plans”.
Ladies and Gentlemen of America I am totally, totally, disappointed in that statement coming from a college graduate that taught Constitutional principles at the University of Chicago. Please to me there is no recognition here to believe at least in the simple and fundemental unifying foundations in the Constitution? You know a preamble, stuff like the articles, maybe the first amendment at least. Ok, I have not finished the book maybe later Obama will help me recover from this disappointment. Lets see what happens, but for now there are a lot of questions Mainstream Media is just avoiding, likely doing a lot of blow, having fun and avoiding the important stuff.
That O’Donnell statement makes me want to suddenly phonebank my ass off for Edwards.
All of this is so Rovian
Perhaps literally? Bear in mind that polling shows that Edwards beats all Republican candidates more easily than either Obama or Hillary.
The Obama campaign needs to steer clear of identity politics. To this point, the genius of his campaign has been to campaign in a post-identity political mode.
The Obama campaign should also stop soliciting endorsements. First, they are mostly worthless, but more importantly, they step on his theme of being the outsider that can bring change. In short, the endorsement game is an old school establishmnet tool.
Me too, because they keep floating the rumor that he’s gonna bail.
From each other. then people would get confused and have to look at their records and discover they are political twins.
this is the message of the Obama campaign.
Yes, literally.
LD needs to get himself to a drum circle, stat!
Although, I have to politely disagree with your #5. I think gender and race need some discussion because it seems to be on everyone’s mind anyway. Why not spend a few days on it if for no other reason than to get it out of the way?
I am in complete accord with your opinion of Audacity of Hope. I’ve slogged through to page 39, but the only thing keeping me reading the book is that this man may one day be prez. My general description is: shallow descriptions full of cliches.
So is the idea now that we dispense with the democratic process and just have Lawrence O’Donnell email us who our candidates are? How efficient.
I used to listen to Left Right and Center until Lawrence O’Donnell so completely nausiated me.
I could suffer Tony Blankley’s BritWhine, but O’Donnell’s ‘insider’ superiority was unbearable.
He personifies EVERYTHING wrong with the Democratic establishment.
I just got done reading this post. What a dumb sh*t thing to say. Just another example of the corporate press deciding who we should be voting for. For shame.
I usually like what Lawrence has to say. Just what was he thinking when he published this drivel?
Wow, that is the most mindboggling dumbest thing I’ve seen for awhile. It’s not right, it isn’t even wrong.
I’ve got an idea! Let’s all just listen to Tom Brokaw from now on.
Larry, dude, yer harshin’ my buzz.
Signed
A DFH
jesus fuck. i am beyond sick to death of these gasbag assholes who can’t keep their ignorant mouths shut. nothing like picking up the race meme and beating it to death to further divide the democratic party.
the closeted racists in new hampshire is gaining currency and being pushed by the gasbags to provide cover for their abysmal performance tuesday nite; then jesse jr; andrew jr; and odonnell.
shut.the.fuck.up.
I’ve started dropping little hints in public that I’m really really angry. Furious, actually. People ask why. I say, “Politics”.
The MD looked confused.
The lawyer looked baffled and a bit nervous.
The sister-in-law gave the time-honored [eyebrow raise].
The cashier in the grocery store, homeless for awhile recently, scrabbling to pay the bills with her hourly wage, paying sales taxes on everybloomin’thing in her life?
The cashier nodded and returned my attempt at a smile, and we shook hands.
She promised me she’d be sure to vote. I know she will. We shook on it.
Deligates. It’s about delegates. I don’t want this contest to end before it begins by making it a race between two. Maybe after eight years of Bush and the either-or mentality, people no longer can’t multi-think.
I don’t like the culinary union stating its support for one candidate over another in an open caucus. This does not allow the individual to decide for her/himself. Imagine if Joe Worker stands with the Clinton people and not the Obama. He’ll end up in the meat freezer for defying the union. At least no one would know in a secret ballot.
Corporations and unions declaring its support of any candidate in an open caucus is another way of throwing the election. Nasty business.
As for Kerry, he is the grinch that stole Christmas. Meow! Sour grapes.
Change - Here are a few leaders who brought “change”: Mao, Stalin. Soeharto, Hitler, you get the picture. I won’t vote for any candidate on “change”. I’ll vote for them on the specifics of the change they are committed to bring.
Here is where the evangelistic speakers have influenced politics. They are all Elmer Gantry motivational speakers. Fiery speeches with no substance.
I am reminded once again, the masses are asses.
They’re already mocking O’Donnell’s ridiculous statement over at Kos. And rightly so. It’s offensive on so many levels it’s hard to count.
Good, maybe they can get back to understanding the “Jimmy Carter” editorial at the Onion was P-A-R-O-D-Y someday.
He promised in his New Hampshire speech he wouldn’t bail. I’d be really pissed if he did.
Linda? Wrong side of the bed? LOL
Chapter Three is “Our Constitution” (note the “Our”, not “The” in the title to get an idea of his beliefs) so he is not dismissive of what Bush has done to distort the Constitution.
Lazy buttheads. There is so much airtime to fill you’d think someone would figure out that this is a great opportunity to discuss ISSUES. But no, we’re treated to a sulpherous souffle of baseless bile.
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Re: race and gender and identity politics:
And so it begins:
Read on. Obama apparently says a mouthful in that book that pissed off one lefty historian at BlackAgendaReport.com
I think there are very good discussions of race and gender that need to be had and hopefully having the these two candidates be our frontrunners will lead to that happening. What I meant to say, and probably didn’t say clearly enough is that a bunch of gender and race baiting that leads everybody to run off into their identity corners and that becomes the arbiter of who supports whom is a bad day for everyone.
I think biodun in #8 said it well.
Even more than that, Elizabeth E. promised, in a voice that rang true.
What. A. Gal.!!!
Great. so now people identified with the Democratic Party have managed to offend just about everyone. I really think that the candidates should get together and collectively call out the idiots like Jackson, Jr., Cuomo, Jr. and now this slug.
I just learned you can go to Edwards web site and download his 80 page book.Has any one done this yet?
DING!
I’ve been having unusual conversations crop up. Recently, in a waiting room in a doctor’s office. There were 5 of us - all female, different ages and very different socio economic levels, judging by appearances. Instead of the silent magazine flipping that people normally do, a spirited political conversation broke out, everyone expressing their disgust at the way things are going in our country, their anger at the Iraq War and state of health care and the economy and the lack of objective media. It was quite remarkable.
Exactly.
I think she might have a little Eleanor Roosevelt in her. She seems to make corrections for her husband a lot. I think that’s actually good. Because Eleanors raise civil rights issues with their husbands among other things. I say elect’em both.
I sent you an email Biodun
I would add that O’Donnell’s attitude is terribly insulting to Edwards supporters, like me. I resent columnists that think that they have the right to pass judgments on who should run and who should not and why. Only the electorate has the right to make that judgment. O’Donnell should STFU and let the election follow its own path.
What jane and biodun said.
I’ve been wanting to thank Biodun also for so eloquently stating why and how a feminist could vote against HRC yesterday and still reside within the ranks of feminism (vs. tokenism). Thanks!
I am another Elizabeth Edwards fan.
Laurence O’Donnell pissed me off last summer when he tried to make a case for my daughters being drafted.
Screw Larry O’Donnell!
Running into the same thing up in Alaska, where Kos commissioned a poll on the AK-AL race that inaccurately characterized the Dem primary race as being non-existent, and lionized one of the three Dem candidates in that primary race. When I pointed out at Kos that there are three viabel candidates in the primary and that we have no way of predicting who will show up to vote on the Dem ticket in that crazy primary, I was e-mailed and commented to death that my candidate should just withdraw from the primary, because “Kos knows best for Alaska.”
When did this stop being a freee friggin’ country - and why is the kind of push like in the O’Donnell hit piece - always put up against the most progressive candidates?
*sigh* I remember when FDLers tried to find his schedule during the summer break. Golf course.
Well, never mind then. ;-)
This is one reason why I support Edwards, because he understands and appreciates the value and companionship of a smart capable woman.
So Arianna is allowing this kind of drivel by Lawrence Odonnell on her site? We all know the Larry, Jr. is just a blow hard trying to get a couple more gigs as a pundit. I would love to send him a note with my thoughts. Any word on how to contact him?
I don’t think being a feminist requires that you vote for or against a candidate on the basis of their gender.
That said, yes, it would be a proud day for this country to elect our first female president, or our first black president. Nevertheless, I wholeheartedly support Edwards.
Jane @ 41:
Thanks… You’ve made my day–maybe weekend…*g* (And I saw your 48…)
Mui,
You know politicians can’t be believed. Alas, John Edwards is no different.
-G
eCAHNomics @ 24
Thought I was going nuts when I started to read his stuff in comparison to how Obama is appearing on the campaign road. Please don’t get wrong, Obama seems like a nice personable young man who is very good in his speech presentations. He is gripping and convincing. But as he said in his book very broad in ideals. Nowhere enough details to really define himself.
So far from what I have read, this guy Obama is a real salesman, so good he would have been able to sell Jesus a box of band-aids on the way to crucifixion.
LOL.
Ooohhhh YES! ;->
I got so fed up at this attitude that I posted this on Kos the other day:
It makes sense. Not all woman politicians are feminists. I mean check out the republikan side of the aisle for proof.
Gotta run. Greg B. I was looking for a youtube video of Urge Overkill’s the Candidate. It’s gone. But I wanted to play it in response. It’s a funny satire of the demagoguery.
Did something weird just land at the lake?
What got into O’Donnell? Everything I had heard or read from him to this point made some kind of sense. This shit is both silly and mean, and way beneath the person I thought he was. Has he done this sort of shit in the past?
Remember the national conversation on race the Clinton’s started.
Some of those forums were great. I learned alot about how little I understood about racial insensitivity
I am just going to ignore this one ….
You have incoming…
Here is my comfort with the Nevada primaries. Most people don’t pay much attention to who said what about the candidates. In fact, they are busy going to and from work, getting home late, fixing dinner for the kids, helping with homework, bathing and getting the kids ready for bed, doing dishes and cleaning up after dinner, and, finally, hitting the sack at eleven o’clock only to arise five the next morning and start the grueling routine the next day. O’Who?
Breaking News:
The Bush administration will push the UN for a kayak and water-tube embargo on Iran.
-G
Read this to see how slippery Obama is
http://www.blackagendareport.c.....8;Itemid=1
Does not sound like a man of principle.
Huffington is a bigtime Obama supporter.
Re “Identity Policts” — there is only one “identity” that is permitted — white, heterosexual and male.
Chris Hayes, writing in the Nation about Edwards:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080128/hayes
So she is letting her bias influence her editorial content. Hmmmmm.
They are cacuses and they have a lot of wierd rules
The Culinary Workers Union is expected to dominate the caucus…at least that is there plan
This posting from O’Donnell is appallingly stupid. Perhaps John Hinderaker hacked into O’Donnell’s computer and got his password.
Carolyn U. Wow. I say keep it up. Don’t be silent. It’s time to speak out, and I’m not particularly talking confrontational, either.
I find it works far better just to raise the subject, but drop it at that point if someone bristles. Angry response may indicate ambivalence & embarrassment. Leaving the subject right there, hanging in the air… might have best results in some cases… because you know you poked some nugget of awareness. It might grow on its own. Poking too hard all at once tempts people to wrap their preconceived notions in a hard, impenetrable shell.
Like it or not, people, especially proud stubborn people, need to be allowed an escape hatch. Think of a cornered, panicked wild animal. Many, if they’re allowed to escape, will dash far enough to feel safer, but then turn around and look.
Also, that’s better than over-reaching and perhaps triggering a “throw ALL the bums out!” reaction. KKKarl would like nothing better than to tar everyone…
Hope this ramble makes some sense.
You’re welcome…
And about time too. The Iranians have had a covert water park program for years. The last thing I want to see is Iranian kayaks threatening American kayaks in the Strait of Hormuz.
The last really honest to goodness decent man in politics was George McGovern. A non-ego driven man of principle who witnessed war first hand and who had courage and compassion.
The well has gotten progressively emptier since he passed from the political scene.
This includes the entire crop of Democrats.
-G
Re. O’Donnell, my late friend Cathy Seipp appeared on an NBC show with him once and he bloviated so loudly she thenceforth referred to him as “Larry O’Scary.”
Stooopid comments from O’Donnell, indeed. But right up there was Andrew Cuomo (who I’m generally happy with as my AG) with his asinine “shuck ‘n jive” comment yesterday. I was horrified, even if it wasn’t a direct reference to Obama, that such language is even contemplated by any democrat!
Although the union is coy about how many of its members are registered to vote, the endorsement is expected to give Obama at least 10,000 supporters in the caucus, in a contest whose turnout estimates have ranged from 28,000 to 100,000.
In a caucus, supporters of a candidate literally stand together on one side of the room, demonstrating to everyone who is supporting whom. Many Strip shift workers, Culinary workers, will be voting at so-called “at-large” caucus sites on the Strip. This means Culinary members, for whom unity is a creed, will be able to enforce discipline. Clinton can no longer expect to win many delegates at those at-large sites.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/new.....epicenter/
A lotta southern Reagan republicans of my personal acquaintance really like John Edwards - they are leery of both Hillary and Obama because they come from northern, urban states and don’t feel either one of them cares about their issues. Edwards has always been and remains a hugely viable candidate. I only hope we don’t look back on this election and wonder what we were thinking, not nominating a very electable guy like Edwards.
Everyone has become more clever in recognizing gender, race and class issues. Opposition can now easily set out to create divisiveness among these groups. It keeps us fighting amongst ourselves. This has been undermining the progress of women for several years now.
general observation…kind of a six degrees from Kevin Bacon thing…
What’s up with CT politics?
Who does Lamont run against in CT: Hojo.
Who is/was Obama’s mentor: Hojo.
Who does Hojo endorse: McCain
Who was running for Prez from CT: Dodd
I’m really scratching my head. I don’t think the teams are called Dem and Rep anymore. I throw this out there with hands up, shoulders shrugged, and a big “Huh?”
Sad to say, but Arianna has a history of moving on to the next new best thing.
I, for one, will not forget her passionate political embrace of Rootin Tootin Newton in the mid-90s.
we are going to need a list of words that are not acceptable
“We feel more excited today and I feel more invigorated than ever before,” said Yahoo Chairman Terry Semel, who has made more than $425 million cashing in his company stock options since becoming chief executive officer five years ago.
Dan Rosensweig, Yahoo’s chief operating officer, said the company has formed much closer bonds with its audience than other major Web sites, making it easier to extend its reach into mobile computing devices and
other opportunities.
http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/...../605180397
“We don’t feel like we have to shuck and jive to find new businesses,” Rosensweig said.
choochmac @ 36
Hey Choochmac, I know and I saw the other chapters before I started reading, what really grabs me is the ideal of the comment of –NO unifying theory of American Government— here at point in the prologue, I jumped through several chapter to try to find his position on Gay marriage or civil Union’s. Again floor by some of what he said one of the last chapters. I am drawing the conclusion this guy is an incredible hypocrite. He talks great but his head is all over the map.
Actually, choochmac, I bought the book to understand more about how his basic early Islamic schooling impacted him. It shows, very much, even though Obama openly practices to be a Christian. I am at the point right now that Obama is in sort like a Lieberman that parades around as a Democrat, changes to an Independent, then winds up supporting a Republican. Sheesh. LOL got to keep smiling these people will drive you crazy.
Wow! Eloquent! I couldn’t have said it better myself, so I’ll just say Wow, to both you and Jane!
Like I wrote last night:
Welcome to France, Ambassador Leiberman!
So now that Musharraff has said that any US incursion into Pakistan will be viewed as an invasion, will the morons in both parties stop talking about invading Pakistan?
Oh yeah, let McSurge know that his success includes the safe haven of Kurdish terrorists in Northern Iraq and that Turkey has resumed shelling inside of Iraq today.
Sounds surge-tastic.
-G
She has a rockin’ blog site that’s for sure, but as Stephen Colbert says “your touch burns me”.
I admire her networking skills.
The vast majority of Americans don’t get a choice in who runs in the general. That should bother and scare the hell out of everyone. If you want to get outraged about something, this is it.
The stupidist thing that was said and done far and away, was by the American People and the DNC and the RNC and whomever else allows the idiot system of primaries. Driven by the even dumber media, this insures that that people in 48 states, nearly the entire population of the U.S., gets no vote on all the candidates, and cannot pick and choose who is running from their party.
The most intelligent objection to something like this is now showing up, since we have had 7 years of a government that has ignored the people, and an inept Congress that has enhanced their ability to do that (can you spell S. 2248 and what it is and what’s going to happen when it hits the Senate Floor again? If you can you’ll get the picture.
Some voters are waking up to this entire clusterfuck by the United States, and make intelligent posts like these two last night from LS in Texas–I think every voter should have the same concern:
LS said last night LS1 and LS2
Forget the States — Let the Regions Pick the Candidates
Let’s Stop the Stupid Byzantine Primary System Now!
From LS at the links above–to me the best insight and observation yet by far:
My point is that all the states bunch together because there is so much pushing to be first like 3 year olds lining up for candy. Take a look at what a clusterfuck Michigan has become (Marcy’s word and Marcy is in Michigan, and it’s appropriate).
And it’s not longer for some of the candidates. All but 3 of the Dems are out now; and we’ve only had one caucus and one primary who were 5 days apart. It wasn’t very long for them or for people in the other 48 states who wanted to vote for them or have some say in the vote.
From the NYT editorial:
Iowa is 92% white where a huge turnout amounts to less than 10 percent of the population,; New Hampshire is 95% white. Why should they have such a huge say as tiny states in picking our candidates?
Obama has a huge problem and it is called “Rezko”..if it is not delt with now, it will kill his general election campaign. Some examples:
link
link
Poor Larry; he is so bigoted he comes out with a bigoted anti bigotry statement that even he can’t understand!
remember, pundits are going to explode and harm each other if you don’t puncture them once in a while to let the waste heat out.
what will the new independent party look like? What do you say Al?
That’s right. They need to earn it in every state, every day. I hope Edwards is in it all the way to the convention. The more he’s seen the better it is for all the Dems.
I saw that and thought, as much as I would enjoy a trip to France, I don’t think Hojo would be so easily pushed out of the way of the movin’ and shakin’ in DC. But good idea!
Yesterday, several of the talking heads on MSNBC talked about “getting down to a one-on-one race between Obama and Clinton” as though that would somehow be an intrinsically good thing. This news came in as I was thinking exactly the opposite, i.e., that Edwards being in the race gave progressives some leverage in the promises Obama and Clinton might have to make to get to the presidency.
So, perhaps what O’Donnell and his ilk fear is this residual progressive influence in the 2008 presidential race. Fuck ‘em!!
Excellent point.
It also goes back to Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass.
O’Donnell’s is a really dumb statement. I’m bothered by the degree to which almost everything sets off a wave on factionalism among partisans of the three major Democratic candidates.
Progressivism is a relative term. It doesn’t mean precisely the same thing and encompass the same values to everyone. Even for those who believe in the exact same things, there is disagreement regarding the methods of reaching those goals. From my viewpoint, the worse thing which can occur for any version of progressive causes is reelection of Republicans in the legislative and executive branches. The greater and more bitter the divisions among people who consider themselves progressive, the more likely that is. Each news item during primary season seems to whipsaw the increasingly bitter criticism from one candidate to another.
That’s my Rodney King viewpoint for today.
Interesting that the media can allow a wide open race for the GOP but the field has to be narrowed down to two after just two contests in the Democratic field. What kind of a moronic process is this?
You have every right to oppose Obama if you feel that he doesn’t have what you need. However, please do not use the “Islamic schooling” and “openly practices to be a Christian” language given the specious rumors about him. He attended a Catholic school and then secular public Indonesian school while he was a CHILD for two years. I think his inclusive language has to do with his whole life experience.