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		<title>By: jussumbody</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/ned-lamont-endorses-obama/#comment-1198416</link>
		<dc:creator>jussumbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“At the same time, after promising to endorse the winner of the primary, Obama went through Connecticut by train and refused to stop in the state out of fear of challenging Lieberman. He had earlier in the race spoken out at the Jefferson Jackson dinner for Lieberman, his mentor.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did I miss something last year?  Why would Obama have had a “fear” of challenging Lieberman?  In for a penny, in for a pound, at least when it comes to betrayal.  He wasn’t afraid of betraying Lieberman.  He only went thru the motions of endorsing Lamont because he was afraid of the backlash of not supporting a party candidate when he was getting ready to run for Preznit.  Obviously his heart has belonged to Lieberman all along, and I’m sure he’ll find a place for Lieberman in his “bipartisan” cabinet.  Especially since Lieberman will become irrelevant in the Senate after a Democratic landslide.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re looking for an ulterior motive for Lamont, there it is:  Obama becomes Preznit, Lieberman becomes Sec’y of Defense, and Lamont sails into the Senate after smearing the Republican replacement in a special election (mebbe they’ll get the governor into the spirit of bipartisanship and she’ll pick Lamont).  Of course I don’t believe Lamont is that shrewd, but it could very well happen that way anyhow.  I see him as a somewhat brighter Dem version of Lincoln Chaffee, decent, but a bit hapless and easily manipulated by the more cunning players.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“At the same time, after promising to endorse the winner of the primary, Obama went through Connecticut by train and refused to stop in the state out of fear of challenging Lieberman. He had earlier in the race spoken out at the Jefferson Jackson dinner for Lieberman, his mentor.”</p>
<p>Did I miss something last year?  Why would Obama have had a “fear” of challenging Lieberman?  In for a penny, in for a pound, at least when it comes to betrayal.  He wasn’t afraid of betraying Lieberman.  He only went thru the motions of endorsing Lamont because he was afraid of the backlash of not supporting a party candidate when he was getting ready to run for Preznit.  Obviously his heart has belonged to Lieberman all along, and I’m sure he’ll find a place for Lieberman in his “bipartisan” cabinet.  Especially since Lieberman will become irrelevant in the Senate after a Democratic landslide.  </p>
<p>If you’re looking for an ulterior motive for Lamont, there it is:  Obama becomes Preznit, Lieberman becomes Sec’y of Defense, and Lamont sails into the Senate after smearing the Republican replacement in a special election (mebbe they’ll get the governor into the spirit of bipartisanship and she’ll pick Lamont).  Of course I don’t believe Lamont is that shrewd, but it could very well happen that way anyhow.  I see him as a somewhat brighter Dem version of Lincoln Chaffee, decent, but a bit hapless and easily manipulated by the more cunning players.</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/ned-lamont-endorses-obama/#comment-1198353</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just wrote my letter as well. My heart is broken, truly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/ned-lamont-endorses-obama/#comment-1198160</link>
		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, I see that Lamont’s motives are considered suspect. Ned is a good guy. His rationale may be naive. I think Ned is making a mistake, and he is shaking hands with the guy who spat on his campaign, and mocks progressives, but I think Ned is just plain wrong on this endorsement. Not morally errant.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I see that Lamont’s motives are considered suspect. Ned is a good guy. His rationale may be naive. I think Ned is making a mistake, and he is shaking hands with the guy who spat on his campaign, and mocks progressives, but I think Ned is just plain wrong on this endorsement. Not morally errant.</p>
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		<title>By: cando</title>
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		<dc:creator>cando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ned is already running for Lieberman’s seat and wants to be on the winning side.  I just think he could have waited a few weeks or months.  And you’re right, he’s being an ordinary politician when he betrays Edwards at this time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned is already running for Lieberman’s seat and wants to be on the winning side.  I just think he could have waited a few weeks or months.  And you’re right, he’s being an ordinary politician when he betrays Edwards at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: jongold</title>
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		<dc:creator>jongold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I couldn’t disagree more.  The English language is not a value.  It is a means to communicate.  Values are things like freedom, creativity, family, originality, hope and peace.  English is merely a means for people to communicate with one another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When asked in a debate by Wolf Blitzer whether he would support a bill making English the official language he courageously took issue with the question on the ground that the designation does not seek to achieve any worthy, constructive purpose - there are already plenty of laws that prescribe how certain federal forms and websites must be written - but merely to divide the country into groups and marginalize - and demonize - those who can’t speak the language.  My great-grandfather who was probabaly in his forties when he came here at the end of the nineteenth century barely spoke the language.   I applaud the vote by Obama.  Those who pursue that legislation do so to score political points not to make the government work any better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn’t disagree more.  The English language is not a value.  It is a means to communicate.  Values are things like freedom, creativity, family, originality, hope and peace.  English is merely a means for people to communicate with one another.</p>
<p>When asked in a debate by Wolf Blitzer whether he would support a bill making English the official language he courageously took issue with the question on the ground that the designation does not seek to achieve any worthy, constructive purpose &#8211; there are already plenty of laws that prescribe how certain federal forms and websites must be written &#8211; but merely to divide the country into groups and marginalize &#8211; and demonize &#8211; those who can’t speak the language.  My great-grandfather who was probabaly in his forties when he came here at the end of the nineteenth century barely spoke the language.   I applaud the vote by Obama.  Those who pursue that legislation do so to score political points not to make the government work any better.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcparser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arcparser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, well.  Edwards’ past is not perfect and Obama’s Republican-Lite rhetoric may only be rhetoric, as well, but I find his use of Republican framing intensely disturbing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m resigned to be dissatisfied with the Democratic nominee for the umpteenth time since I became eligible to vote.  I am now going to be 0 for 9 in terms of my first choice not being chosen in the primaries. It’s difficult to imagine right now getting excited about the process, but once the general election gets underway and we have a genuine Republican ogre to compare with the Democratic nominee, I’m sure I’ll re-engage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well.  Edwards’ past is not perfect and Obama’s Republican-Lite rhetoric may only be rhetoric, as well, but I find his use of Republican framing intensely disturbing. </p>
<p>I’m resigned to be dissatisfied with the Democratic nominee for the umpteenth time since I became eligible to vote.  I am now going to be 0 for 9 in terms of my first choice not being chosen in the primaries. It’s difficult to imagine right now getting excited about the process, but once the general election gets underway and we have a genuine Republican ogre to compare with the Democratic nominee, I’m sure I’ll re-engage.</p>
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		<title>By: Quzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m with you on your analysis of Obama — something does not ring true for me. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe Edwards is the real deal - but he is being shut down by MSM and others. And as others have stated here — Edwards message could be honed a little bit — but I think a little anger is great and appropriate — especially after the crooks and liars in this administration have morally and economically bankrupted our country!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m with you on your analysis of Obama — something does not ring true for me. </p>
<p>I believe Edwards is the real deal &#8211; but he is being shut down by MSM and others. And as others have stated here — Edwards message could be honed a little bit — but I think a little anger is great and appropriate — especially after the crooks and liars in this administration have morally and economically bankrupted our country!</p>
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		<title>By: jongold</title>
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		<dc:creator>jongold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will never understand why so many on this site believe that Edwards is some grand progressive.  I mean, I like Edwards, and I admire his incredible perseverance, but his record in the Senate was no more progressive than Obama’s and Clinton’s records.  A year ago - before Obama entered the race- he was quoted as saying that corporations would have a seat at the table.  His plan to run as the “change” candidate and position himself as the first alternative to Clinton got hoodwinked when Obama joined the race so Edwards had to come up with a new stance.  His rhetorical position became that he will never compromise with the corporate interests.  Its as much a slogan as it is a real plan to govern.  An augmented majority for the Dems in the 2 chambers of Congress plus a Dem prez will be the best way to reduce corporate influence in Washington.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand why so many on this site believe that Edwards is some grand progressive.  I mean, I like Edwards, and I admire his incredible perseverance, but his record in the Senate was no more progressive than Obama’s and Clinton’s records.  A year ago &#8211; before Obama entered the race- he was quoted as saying that corporations would have a seat at the table.  His plan to run as the “change” candidate and position himself as the first alternative to Clinton got hoodwinked when Obama joined the race so Edwards had to come up with a new stance.  His rhetorical position became that he will never compromise with the corporate interests.  Its as much a slogan as it is a real plan to govern.  An augmented majority for the Dems in the 2 chambers of Congress plus a Dem prez will be the best way to reduce corporate influence in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: joze46</title>
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		<dc:creator>joze46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama needs to address some very serious questions. However, Mainstream Media knows and avoids this. It’s totally convincing that across the board in the electromagnetic spectrum, cable and free space the Conservative Republican control of media is currently in full swing. Biased to limits we have never see before, and limits they can’t explain, but blame the electorate. The writers too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With every conscious deceitful effort, even to the point of appearing as a full fledged public servants to fill the basics in license responsibilities to the public, the media obnoxiously even through Hollywood scripting, operate in full force to write or rewrite history in cable, free air television shows,  and motion pictures, etc. Much of it with real hype and some even deceitful. The Writer Guide knows this and is responding in a simple fashion, to make public declarations were necessary, and  were all should share in the harvests. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Especially as those in the fine arts culture who are real patriots and Americans fundamentally understand, as most American’s know now the war has been won a long time ago in Iraq,  our troops have been victors in hand to hand combat. But, the cultural combat from those ideals in the fundemental Democratic formula starts with the written elements of our Constitution to the human variety of descriptions in every day works of life, the writers of history are the true challenge to the division in cultures, and any future win. The writers are the weapons needed today and of the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since English is our core value and needed to perform and operate daily as a citizen I agree with even with some right wingers that ask the question to Obama as to why did he “Vote Against” English as our unifying language? But what we don’t see and has been totally oppressed is this part of the debate by mainstream Media. This simple question totally dismissed and totally so valuable and fundemental for America‘s cultural challenge shows me a totally inept thinking. Or a deliberate issue to avoid support for the simple an honest principles that are part of the intellectual capital that is right full to those writers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps I am wrong, but I am sorry, this is “change” I question in Obama’s decision to vote no. This is not the leadership I want to follow. Obama needs to reflect my needs not his. To put it simple as in that old commercial about Star Kiss Tuna, with Charlie Tuna,,, Sorry Charlie… Obama needs the hook.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama needs to address some very serious questions. However, Mainstream Media knows and avoids this. It’s totally convincing that across the board in the electromagnetic spectrum, cable and free space the Conservative Republican control of media is currently in full swing. Biased to limits we have never see before, and limits they can’t explain, but blame the electorate. The writers too.</p>
<p>With every conscious deceitful effort, even to the point of appearing as a full fledged public servants to fill the basics in license responsibilities to the public, the media obnoxiously even through Hollywood scripting, operate in full force to write or rewrite history in cable, free air television shows,  and motion pictures, etc. Much of it with real hype and some even deceitful. The Writer Guide knows this and is responding in a simple fashion, to make public declarations were necessary, and  were all should share in the harvests. </p>
<p>Especially as those in the fine arts culture who are real patriots and Americans fundamentally understand, as most American’s know now the war has been won a long time ago in Iraq,  our troops have been victors in hand to hand combat. But, the cultural combat from those ideals in the fundemental Democratic formula starts with the written elements of our Constitution to the human variety of descriptions in every day works of life, the writers of history are the true challenge to the division in cultures, and any future win. The writers are the weapons needed today and of the future.</p>
<p>Since English is our core value and needed to perform and operate daily as a citizen I agree with even with some right wingers that ask the question to Obama as to why did he “Vote Against” English as our unifying language? But what we don’t see and has been totally oppressed is this part of the debate by mainstream Media. This simple question totally dismissed and totally so valuable and fundemental for America‘s cultural challenge shows me a totally inept thinking. Or a deliberate issue to avoid support for the simple an honest principles that are part of the intellectual capital that is right full to those writers.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am wrong, but I am sorry, this is “change” I question in Obama’s decision to vote no. This is not the leadership I want to follow. Obama needs to reflect my needs not his. To put it simple as in that old commercial about Star Kiss Tuna, with Charlie Tuna,,, Sorry Charlie… Obama needs the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/10/ned-lamont-endorses-obama/#comment-1197500</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like others, I’m angered and disappointed at Ned’s contribution to the orchestrated &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0202/csmimg/p15a.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;airbrushing&lt;/a&gt; of John Edwards from the Democratic political discourse. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This constitutes a betrayal of &lt;em&gt;Ned’s own legacy&lt;/em&gt;. The groundswell of support he garnered in the spring and summer of 2006 helped make it acceptable for &lt;em&gt;all &lt;/em&gt;Democratic candidates (or at least those so inclined) to position the Iraq war as not just incompetently executed but wrong from the get-go. Ned’s candidacy, even in its eventual defeat, thus elevated the discourse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Edwards, for reasons having nothing to do with relative merit, is currently a long shot, something about which Ned should understand and identify. Moreover, Edwards is elevating and energizing the discourse in this election, going places Clinton and Obama refuse to go with respect to corporate malfeasance, universal healthcare, and the rock-bottom need to fight the bastards rather than “heal” the partisan discord. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even if only in pyrrhic victory, Edwards is pressuring the top candidates to hear the concerns of the progressive base and fear the consequences of ignoring them. Much as Ned himself did in 2006. By doing his part so early in the campaign to knock Edwards out of contention and earshot, Lamont is helping to cut both Obama and Clinton ideological slack that neither deserve.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;All that said&lt;/em&gt;, a couple of points:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. By and large, the only people who recognize Ned Lamont’s name, much less care what he says, are already so politically engaged that they’re going to follow their own personal drummers anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. It seems clear to me that Kerry and Lamont chimed in, in unison, at this moment because both got spooked by Clinton’s strong showing in New Hampshire. If so, then they at least share the top two rungs of my own current Presidential priorities, to wit:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* It is &lt;em&gt;imperative &lt;/em&gt;that the Republicans lose the White House;&lt;br /&gt;
* It is &lt;em&gt;imperative &lt;/em&gt;that Hillary Clinton, a DLC neocon enabler, not become the Democratic nominee;&lt;br /&gt;
* It is &lt;em&gt;eminently preferable &lt;/em&gt;that of the remaining viable candidates, the most progressive prevails.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like others, I’m angered and disappointed at Ned’s contribution to the orchestrated <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0202/csmimg/p15a.jpg" rel="nofollow">airbrushing</a> of John Edwards from the Democratic political discourse. </p>
<p>This constitutes a betrayal of <em>Ned’s own legacy</em>. The groundswell of support he garnered in the spring and summer of 2006 helped make it acceptable for <em>all </em>Democratic candidates (or at least those so inclined) to position the Iraq war as not just incompetently executed but wrong from the get-go. Ned’s candidacy, even in its eventual defeat, thus elevated the discourse.</p>
<p>John Edwards, for reasons having nothing to do with relative merit, is currently a long shot, something about which Ned should understand and identify. Moreover, Edwards is elevating and energizing the discourse in this election, going places Clinton and Obama refuse to go with respect to corporate malfeasance, universal healthcare, and the rock-bottom need to fight the bastards rather than “heal” the partisan discord. </p>
<p>Even if only in pyrrhic victory, Edwards is pressuring the top candidates to hear the concerns of the progressive base and fear the consequences of ignoring them. Much as Ned himself did in 2006. By doing his part so early in the campaign to knock Edwards out of contention and earshot, Lamont is helping to cut both Obama and Clinton ideological slack that neither deserve.</p>
<p><em>All that said</em>, a couple of points:</p>
<p>1. By and large, the only people who recognize Ned Lamont’s name, much less care what he says, are already so politically engaged that they’re going to follow their own personal drummers anyway.</p>
<p>2. It seems clear to me that Kerry and Lamont chimed in, in unison, at this moment because both got spooked by Clinton’s strong showing in New Hampshire. If so, then they at least share the top two rungs of my own current Presidential priorities, to wit:</p>
<p>* It is <em>imperative </em>that the Republicans lose the White House;<br />
* It is <em>imperative </em>that Hillary Clinton, a DLC neocon enabler, not become the Democratic nominee;<br />
* It is <em>eminently preferable </em>that of the remaining viable candidates, the most progressive prevails.</p>
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