Both Obama and Clinton betrayed Lamont and all of us during the 2006 campaign. Hillary Clinton, while she did do a fundraiser for Lamont, had her husband go onto Larry King after the primary and back Lieberman by saying there was no difference between the candidates. At that moment, all of Lamont's establishment support dried up, and we lost 30% of the Democrats in the general election. At the same time, after promising to endorse the winner of the primary, Obama went through Connecticut by train and refused to stop in the state out of fear of challenging Lieberman. He had earlier in the race spoken out at the Jefferson Jackson dinner for Lieberman, his mentor.
I talked to Ned today, and expressed all of this. And he knows it. And nothing can reverse the outcome of that election, which set the stage for the complete Democratic capitulation on Iraq we saw throughout 2007.
A few weeks ago, Obama refused to help out during the Senate FISA fight, when Chris Dodd bravely filibustered the Bush administration's top priority to expand wiretapping authority and immunize telecom companies who had broken the law. The fight is probably coming around again, and Lamont promised he would advocate internally for Obama to actually stand with Dodd this time. I doubt Obama will filibuster, though it would be really good for his campaign and I would become an excited advocate for Obama were he to do so.
The only one of the three remaining Democratic candidates who actually went to Connecticut and put his shoulder to the wheel for Lamont was John Edwards. And Edwards has said that if he doesn't do well in South Carolina he'll probably end his race.
If Lamont had gotten Obama's agreement to filibuster FISA in exchange for his endorsement, as Matt says, I can see why Ned might have come out for Obama at this point in time. But he didn't. So under the circumstances, I'm a bit puzzled why he didn't show respect for Edwards and defer this kind of decision until his future was clear.
Meanwhile, Bill Richardson will not endorse. And Kos endorses...Mitt. I wholeheartedly approve.
*The Edwards campaign denies that Senator Edwards will pull out after South Carolina..
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Hi Jane.
I’m disappointed in this endorsement.
Ned?
Politics is strange.
I thought Ned understood the need to end the war, bot prolong it by endorsing people who suck up to Holy Joe. Can I get my money back from Ned & give it to someone else?
I’m not seeing it - I’m not seeing what everyone seems to be seeing in Barack Obama. I see someone who is positioning himself, testing political winds, doing what is politically expedient. I’ve yet to see in him someone who will take a stand, popular or not, for what he believes is right. Maybe I’m missing it.
Handsome? sure. Well spoken? Like an actor. That’s what I see.
Jane, is it OK to continue mocking the Republican “debate” in this thread?
The Obama campaign is on a collision course with Fitz, Tony Rezko and a Chicago courtroom at the end of Feb.
And Edwards has said that if he doesn’t do well in South Carolina he’ll probably end his race.
wow - would *that* ever have some ramifications!
Or not, depending on how Edwards might choose to play it.
My email to Ned today:
Only people inside the beltway care about endorsements
Say what?
this SO sucks. The first time I have been disappointed in something Ned did.
I want to crawl into a hole.
Or should we go back to the previous thread to do that?
Poetic Justice from Lamont? Payback for HoJo’s victory?
He should refuse to endorse at this time and let them hang out to dry. I’m really mean.
Lahoma and I like Edwards.
Good for you Teddy.
Carolyn- you aren’t the only one. I’ll vote for Obama in the general if he is the only choice, but like you I see an actor rather than a leader. And a follower of Holy Joe who misses crucial votes. Maybe it is part of a grand plan to stand for nothing that could be used against him, but I am not happy w/ Obama, Kerry, & now Ned.
The Tony Rezko trial will draw MSM attention to the “real Obama”, it won’t be pretty.
Gotta link?
Huckleberry is populist for sure. (pretending at least) Foghorn says Huckleberry is a liar.
We were big Lamont supporters in this house. We are “puzzled”. AND pissed.
Give it up!
It’s not new, it’s about some land he bought to enlarge his yard:
link
You know, I’m totally confused. Let me see here. The guy that refused to help him, and Lamont endorses him. Edwards helps him, and he turns his back on him?
I’d also like to know what is so great about Barack Obama. Maybe I’m just cynical, but I’d like some substance with my Presidential candidates.
-S
He should refuse to endorse at this time and let them hang out to dry. I’m really mean
Not so much. I mean, it’s gotta be a bitch to sit back and watch the other two run on his platform, steal his words, and get ignored not only by the MSM, but also ignored by Hillary and Barack as well.
I’d say he’d be well within his rights to tell ‘em to both take a flyin’ leap…
Our two biggest Democratic disappointments in the last few years? Hillary and Obama.
I was happy to vote for Obama for Senate, esp b/c he was running against that lying wingnut Alan Keyes.
One cabinet seat down.
/snark (and I hope I’m not right)
If Edwards drops out I will be 100% for Hillary. I don’t feel comfortable at all any more with Obama and his “present” votes. He just gets more wishy-washy every day and I’m done.
Ghouliani, he negotiated agreements. He knows foreign policy.
KOS endorses Mitt Romney…in Michigan anyway…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../55/434206
Send to your Michigan friends for fun with primary mischief.
I sent my absentee ballot in today marked for Edwards- maybe he hasn’t gotten the good news yet.
Mock away!
McCain has the greatest respect for everyone on the stage, he just feels he is the most qualifies.
Me too
Mrs Mack, on the other hand likes Obama.
And, while the furthest thing from a political sophisticate, she is almost always right.
I don’t get it, but I have learned to trust her judgement of people.
For Hugo Chavez…
Thanks! *g*
Neddy, we hardly knew ye.
I would hate to see a Romney bid come back to haunt. If that plastic sack of shit would ever figure out that he’s stronger running against Bush (the pro Bush votes are already taken, he could be dangerous.
I am hoping against hope that I am wrong, but I fear we Democrats are about to go for style over substance.
Huckster quoting Scripture…says wife/husband submission is mutual
Kerry ought to STFU, and Lamont should be spanked. Pissed does not BEGIN to describe my feelings…
Asked about women being subservient, Huckleberry says his wife would never go along with it, but he’ll practice it whether is is president or not. Both are equal, marriage is 100/100%.
I’m feeling sick.
There is always this tension between Democrats and progressives. We often have common causes but we are not the sam. What Lamont did is to jump on the bandwagon of a popular Democratic but not particulary progressive candidate. That tells me, as a progressive, all I need to know about Ned Lamont. This is consistent with his turning to progressives in his primary and turning to the party Establishment in the general election.
Maybe it’s simply a matter of Ned believing that Obama is the best person for the job.
I’d also like to know what is so great about Barack Obama
I see one thing: If he is elected president, the rest of the world will look at us differently; more hopefully. Hillary, or anyone else, will generate no such excitement or optimism.
Moderator to Ron Paul: Electability…”Do you have any, sir?”
Yeah,
that was a tough decision
not
I think Feb. 6th will be an awakening of sorts…
Ned is sucking up the the establishment Democrats. They hated the Clinton’s in ‘92 as they hate them today. Loyalty to John Edwards is nothing when you can endear yourself to your masters by endorsing the establishment’s favorite son.
No secrete stuff..Google Rezko and Obama…The link that I gave you earlier is a story about what a dirty politician Obama was in Chicago.
Short summary on the Rezko connection:
leftcoaster
Edwards walks the walk but the Merkin rubes are too dumb to get behind their best hope….
submission is mutual? Wait a minute- one person gets the handcuffs and the other gets the whip! What the fuck is he talking about?
Smarmy Carl Cameron.
-G
This is sad news. On three counts. Edwards getting shafted. Lamont not repaying a debt. And the news that Edwards may have to end his campaign soon. The most heatening thing I took from the NH primary was Edwards’s statement that he was in it through the convention. Reality bites. And it’s sad. Times three.
Sounds kinky to me! I want to see his wife tie him up and spank him. Maybe just hear about it not really see it.
Kerry is pathetic…blowhard that gave up before all the absentee ballots were even counted….
I don’t especially like the way you used “masters” there…
Knowing this, we won’t be surprised when Obama shows the rest of us progressive the back of his hand, will we?
He’s got some compromising to do with folks who’ll consider it date rape.
Here’s the problem. Paul apparently wrote some pretty rascist shit in the past (Blacks will quite rioting when their welfare checks arrive. He’s fuckin dead. Who gets his votes?
Dunkin Donuthole is dead too but he doesn’t have any votes to give away.
This makes the most sense. Basic fuckery.
Paul just hit another one out of the park. He’ll never be invited back.
And as for lamont…I’m so tired of feeling betrayed.
Obama =status quo imo
If Edwards is out, that has to benefit Obama.
Have to disagree. I think the rest of the world would be delighted to see Hillary after the last 7 years.
Mack @ 50: I had just moved back to Illinois from S Carolina & was thrilled to have the chance to vote for someone with brains. But now I want leadership, balls, & substance.
One Percent Fred?! His support will be the difference to Mitt or Huck!
Please don’t report for duty, Sir! Once was enough…
I understand. In my case it’s called the smart S.O. syndrome. I don’t fight it. I just go with the flow. And every once in a while I get to be right. ;0)
Edwards to Kerry: “Don’t tase me, bro!”
It didn’t hurt until Lamont chimed in…ouch.
Going for the BDSM vote?
He’ll need a slogan…..
Huck’s for change. Switch”.
Then I bet he’ll still be the best person for the job in 2 weeks.
Hi, Bob!
After 30 years of being active in politics, you would think that I would be accustomed to this sort of thing but I still don’t like a shiv in the back. Nuts!
Wonderful thing about FDL is that so many people say what I think and feel without my having to say a thing: they just step up to the plate and hit homers.
shuck the huck!
I am not at all happy with this endorsement. Ned Lamont should be deeper than this. Obama is the the “greeting card” candidate and is not the agent of change everyone seems to think he is. He, like HRC, owes a lot to the establishment. You don’t get the money he has gotten by being a virgin, you get it by being a whore. None of the candidates are Snow White as the whole concept is contrary to the current American political scene but when it comes to measuring the “degree of whoreness” then I think Edwards wins hands down.
What a smarmy smart ass that Cameron guy is.
Ron Paul laid out how today’s repug party has gone batshit crazy away from conservatism. He has no shot but I’m glad he’s in there.
Edwards wanted to fight in Ohio…Kerry folded like a cheap pup tent
it took me months to get over that
Not with me. I’ll support Hillary.
How long before Joe Lieberman gets an offer to be in Obama’s cabinet, too?
The Republican gasbags are still at it? Has anything profound been said yet? I could turn the channel, and go there, but I’m watching and old Judy Garland flick. Besides, the remote is in the kitchen.
Have to disagree. I think the rest of the world would be delighted to see Hillary after the last 7 years.
Maybe we can agree on this: Rude-E elected as president would cause a world-wide, simultaneous, exclamation of “Oh. Shit.”
Well, you can’t say that Americans aren’t optimistic if they think Obama or Hillary can come in and clean up the mess the Republicans have created. Oh, that’s right they are going to sit down at the table with rabid right wing ideologes whose goal is to drown government in a bathtub or corporations willing to sellout the country for profit. Drop me a line in France and let me know how that works out. It’s looking like once again the American public will have to settle for half assed solutions to the many vexing problems facing the nation. The vast majority of Americans have become too conservative for their own good and it will ultimately lead to the downfall of the U.S. Perhaps it will take something as dramatic as another Great Depression to realize they have bought into the big lie of American exceptionalism.
Governor Romeny sez he’s going to start loading the boxcars.
-G
The Michigan scenario is cool. The idea of saddling the goopers with Mitt is tasty. I hope people are listening.
Me too. He made his case very well, as did the Huckster.
I cannot look at Obama without seeing Joe Lieberman standing behind his shoulder, smirking.
please im still digesting dinner
But the real reason that Kerry won’t endorse Edwards is that Edwards persuaded him not to reject the vote for the Iraq Authorizing Resolution. And then, just a year later disavowed it himself.
http://www.boston.com/news/nat.....iraq_vote/
Seriously. If Edwards leaves I think that Obama and Hillary should team up. One way or the other.
Heh, he has to compete with McCain’s affections… HoJo won’t come cheap… 8-(
There’s going to be a dust up. FT just mentioned sanctuary cities.
“Big Love” shows whole new sides.
Excuse me, I have to ablate my visual cortex.
me too love TCM
is he standing on a chair?
Fred Thompson believes in wide gates. Larry Craig just perked-up.
-G
Foghorn Leghorn gets old in a hurry.
Well, the real one is fine.
Don’t you get it? It’s image over substance. The U.S. is a nation that is addicted to it’s celebrities. Today Americans only vote for the star.
I think it will happen. Heal the rift.
-G
LOL
ned was a yalie right?
a member of what secret society? skull&bones? book&snake? scroll&key?
ned was always a diversion candidate. never to have been trusted. much like his brothers: john kerry, george bush, porter goss.
obama has cemented his alliance with the secret state. so as to put himself on an even plane with the clintons.
ding.
We are all Charlie Brown. Lucy wins every time.
Welcome to France, Ambassador Lieberman!
Oh goody. Hope SF makes the list.
media is the entire case imo
The lunacy really showing when they talk immigrants. Huck:”they got themselves here, they can get themselves home”
entire cause!!!!
JayT, IMHO, YMMV, it’s nice that the world would look at us differently, but I don’t see much for those who actually live here.
Again, IMHO, YMMV, I don’t mean to offend.
-S
In all fairness, I don’t think that is what he meant. It sounded to me like he was saying that to have a successful marriage, each person has to give 100%…the joke about his wife was about the “submission” misinterpretation; clearly that is not what he’s talking about…he’s talking about both partners needing to “yield” to the other…to maintain a good relationship…(like being able to say you are sorry, like caring about the person more than about an issue…that sort of thing)…JMHO
i hate electoral politics. as in HATE - all capitals.
it was only volunteering for the lamont campaign that changed that for me.
guess i’m back to seriously
hatingelectoral politics again. damn it.GOP = Grumpy Obscene Patricians
Funny with all the Olieberman mania the last two weeks trying to dispairage Obama,I didn’t see any Clintoleiberman mania.
LOL! At least we’d finally be rid of Holy Joe.
im so very sick of them all…one person to speak truth to POWER
A little mood music for you Rev. Deb.
-G
Oh, God. Can I handle the Hannity & Colmes Spin Room?
I guess it all boils down to how much you want a job in the future presidency. Kerry figures its Obama, Richardson is keeping quiet until he figures out the nominee. Dodd and Biden are doing the same. As we creep to realization, expect a flood of endorsements. These well known ego maniacs don’t want to give up the chance to be on tv every time you turn around.
Jane,
Next time you talk to Ned you can tell him for me that contrary to my former very public statement “I’d do it again in a heartbeat” not gonna happen. He won’t remember who I am personally, but I spent lots of time and money trying to get him elected. This feels like a slap in the face.
You’re evil.
What really sticks in my craw about how this primary is shaking out is the whole inevitablity thing. Hillary had in in Iowa, now Barack has it. Why bother with a primary? Let’s just have the coronation.
What has either of them done to really earn the nomination for presidency? The more I think about it, I see this primary system is deeply flawed, along the rest of our election system. We could start by separating out the candidates from big corporate donors, lobbyists etc.
And can we just get rid of every single person working in any capacity in the US media at this point? Better to have silence than the inane chattering and the outright lies and misinformation. Fox? Cnn? ABC? CBS? NBC? NPR?: STFU.
Again, IMHO, YMMV, I don’t mean to offend.
S’all right - I had to stretch a little just to get that one. *g*
I sill can’t vote for Obama… just a gut feel, there is just something about him I don’t trust. As for Hillary I don’t think she could win way too hate for her and anything Clinton.
But just because of the above statements are not the reasons I will vote for Edwards. It is more of what I see in him and the way he has lead his life, he has always has stood up for the common people and I may be wrong on this but I think he will stand up against the corporatist who currently have a strangle hold on our government.
I will be disappointed if doesn’t stay in to the convention. but I he does bow out I will support who ever gets the nod at the convention.
Never have and never will vote or support any rethuglian, I have even chased one away from my door step in 2006. One Steve Poisner just another asshole rethuglian and he still is.
I’ll pass it on.