Both Obama and Clinton betrayed Lamont and all of us during the 2006 campaign. Hillary Clinton, while she did do a fundraiser for Lamont, had her husband go onto Larry King after the primary and back Lieberman by saying there was no difference between the candidates. At that moment, all of Lamont’s establishment support dried up, and we lost 30% of the Democrats in the general election. At the same time, after promising to endorse the winner of the primary, Obama went through Connecticut by train and refused to stop in the state out of fear of challenging Lieberman. He had earlier in the race spoken out at the Jefferson Jackson dinner for Lieberman, his mentor.
I talked to Ned today, and expressed all of this. And he knows it. And nothing can reverse the outcome of that election, which set the stage for the complete Democratic capitulation on Iraq we saw throughout 2007.
A few weeks ago, Obama refused to help out during the Senate FISA fight, when Chris Dodd bravely filibustered the Bush administration’s top priority to expand wiretapping authority and immunize telecom companies who had broken the law. The fight is probably coming around again, and Lamont promised he would advocate internally for Obama to actually stand with Dodd this time. I doubt Obama will filibuster, though it would be really good for his campaign and I would become an excited advocate for Obama were he to do so.
The only one of the three remaining Democratic candidates who actually went to Connecticut and put his shoulder to the wheel for Lamont was John Edwards. And Edwards has said that if he doesn’t do well in South Carolina he’ll probably end his race.
If Lamont had gotten Obama’s agreement to filibuster FISA in exchange for his endorsement, as Matt says, I can see why Ned might have come out for Obama at this point in time. But he didn’t. So under the circumstances, I’m a bit puzzled why he didn’t show respect for Edwards and defer this kind of decision until his future was clear.
Meanwhile, Bill Richardson will not endorse. And Kos endorses…Mitt. I wholeheartedly approve.
*The Edwards campaign denies that Senator Edwards will pull out after South Carolina..




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Hi Jane.
I’m disappointed in this endorsement.
Ned?
Politics is strange.
I thought Ned understood the need to end the war, bot prolong it by endorsing people who suck up to Holy Joe. Can I get my money back from Ned & give it to someone else?
I’m not seeing it – I’m not seeing what everyone seems to be seeing in Barack Obama. I see someone who is positioning himself, testing political winds, doing what is politically expedient. I’ve yet to see in him someone who will take a stand, popular or not, for what he believes is right. Maybe I’m missing it.
Handsome? sure. Well spoken? Like an actor. That’s what I see.
Jane, is it OK to continue mocking the Republican “debate” in this thread?
The Obama campaign is on a collision course with Fitz, Tony Rezko and a Chicago courtroom at the end of Feb.
And Edwards has said that if he doesn’t do well in South Carolina he’ll probably end his race.
wow – would *that* ever have some ramifications!
Or not, depending on how Edwards might choose to play it.
My email to Ned today:
Only people inside the beltway care about endorsements
Say what?
this SO sucks. The first time I have been disappointed in something Ned did.
I want to crawl into a hole.
Or should we go back to the previous thread to do that?
Poetic Justice from Lamont? Payback for HoJo’s victory?
He should refuse to endorse at this time and let them hang out to dry. I’m really mean.
Lahoma and I like Edwards.
Good for you Teddy.
Carolyn- you aren’t the only one. I’ll vote for Obama in the general if he is the only choice, but like you I see an actor rather than a leader. And a follower of Holy Joe who misses crucial votes. Maybe it is part of a grand plan to stand for nothing that could be used against him, but I am not happy w/ Obama, Kerry, & now Ned.
The Tony Rezko trial will draw MSM attention to the “real Obama”, it won’t be pretty.
Gotta link?
Huckleberry is populist for sure. (pretending at least) Foghorn says Huckleberry is a liar.
We were big Lamont supporters in this house. We are “puzzled”. AND pissed.
Give it up!
It’s not new, it’s about some land he bought to enlarge his yard:
link
You know, I’m totally confused. Let me see here. The guy that refused to help him, and Lamont endorses him. Edwards helps him, and he turns his back on him?
I’d also like to know what is so great about Barack Obama. Maybe I’m just cynical, but I’d like some substance with my Presidential candidates.
-S
He should refuse to endorse at this time and let them hang out to dry. I’m really mean
Not so much. I mean, it’s gotta be a bitch to sit back and watch the other two run on his platform, steal his words, and get ignored not only by the MSM, but also ignored by Hillary and Barack as well.
I’d say he’d be well within his rights to tell ‘em to both take a flyin’ leap…
Our two biggest Democratic disappointments in the last few years? Hillary and Obama.
I was happy to vote for Obama for Senate, esp b/c he was running against that lying wingnut Alan Keyes.
One cabinet seat down.
/snark (and I hope I’m not right)
If Edwards drops out I will be 100% for Hillary. I don’t feel comfortable at all any more with Obama and his “present” votes. He just gets more wishy-washy every day and I’m done.
Ghouliani, he negotiated agreements. He knows foreign policy.
KOS endorses Mitt Romney…in Michigan anyway…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../55/434206
Send to your Michigan friends for fun with primary mischief.
I sent my absentee ballot in today marked for Edwards- maybe he hasn’t gotten the good news yet.
Mock away!
McCain has the greatest respect for everyone on the stage, he just feels he is the most qualifies.
Me too
Mrs Mack, on the other hand likes Obama.
And, while the furthest thing from a political sophisticate, she is almost always right.
I don’t get it, but I have learned to trust her judgement of people.
For Hugo Chavez…
Thanks! *g*
Neddy, we hardly knew ye.
I would hate to see a Romney bid come back to haunt. If that plastic sack of shit would ever figure out that he’s stronger running against Bush (the pro Bush votes are already taken, he could be dangerous.
I am hoping against hope that I am wrong, but I fear we Democrats are about to go for style over substance.
Huckster quoting Scripture…says wife/husband submission is mutual
Kerry ought to STFU, and Lamont should be spanked. Pissed does not BEGIN to describe my feelings…
Asked about women being subservient, Huckleberry says his wife would never go along with it, but he’ll practice it whether is is president or not. Both are equal, marriage is 100/100%.
I’m feeling sick.
There is always this tension between Democrats and progressives. We often have common causes but we are not the sam. What Lamont did is to jump on the bandwagon of a popular Democratic but not particulary progressive candidate. That tells me, as a progressive, all I need to know about Ned Lamont. This is consistent with his turning to progressives in his primary and turning to the party Establishment in the general election.
Maybe it’s simply a matter of Ned believing that Obama is the best person for the job.
I’d also like to know what is so great about Barack Obama
I see one thing: If he is elected president, the rest of the world will look at us differently; more hopefully. Hillary, or anyone else, will generate no such excitement or optimism.
Moderator to Ron Paul: Electability…”Do you have any, sir?”
Yeah,
that was a tough decision
not
I think Feb. 6th will be an awakening of sorts…
Ned is sucking up the the establishment Democrats. They hated the Clinton’s in ‘92 as they hate them today. Loyalty to John Edwards is nothing when you can endear yourself to your masters by endorsing the establishment’s favorite son.
No secrete stuff..Google Rezko and Obama…The link that I gave you earlier is a story about what a dirty politician Obama was in Chicago.
Short summary on the Rezko connection:
leftcoaster
Edwards walks the walk but the Merkin rubes are too dumb to get behind their best hope….
submission is mutual? Wait a minute- one person gets the handcuffs and the other gets the whip! What the fuck is he talking about?
Smarmy Carl Cameron.
-G
This is sad news. On three counts. Edwards getting shafted. Lamont not repaying a debt. And the news that Edwards may have to end his campaign soon. The most heatening thing I took from the NH primary was Edwards’s statement that he was in it through the convention. Reality bites. And it’s sad. Times three.
Sounds kinky to me! I want to see his wife tie him up and spank him. Maybe just hear about it not really see it.
Kerry is pathetic…blowhard that gave up before all the absentee ballots were even counted….
I don’t especially like the way you used “masters” there…
Knowing this, we won’t be surprised when Obama shows the rest of us progressive the back of his hand, will we?
He’s got some compromising to do with folks who’ll consider it date rape.
Here’s the problem. Paul apparently wrote some pretty rascist shit in the past (Blacks will quite rioting when their welfare checks arrive. He’s fuckin dead. Who gets his votes?
Dunkin Donuthole is dead too but he doesn’t have any votes to give away.
This makes the most sense. Basic fuckery.
Paul just hit another one out of the park. He’ll never be invited back.
And as for lamont…I’m so tired of feeling betrayed.
Obama =status quo imo
If Edwards is out, that has to benefit Obama.
Have to disagree. I think the rest of the world would be delighted to see Hillary after the last 7 years.
Mack @ 50: I had just moved back to Illinois from S Carolina & was thrilled to have the chance to vote for someone with brains. But now I want leadership, balls, & substance.
One Percent Fred?! His support will be the difference to Mitt or Huck!
Please don’t report for duty, Sir! Once was enough…
I understand. In my case it’s called the smart S.O. syndrome. I don’t fight it. I just go with the flow. And every once in a while I get to be right. ;0)
Edwards to Kerry: “Don’t tase me, bro!”
It didn’t hurt until Lamont chimed in…ouch.
Going for the BDSM vote?
He’ll need a slogan…..
Huck’s for change. Switch”.
Then I bet he’ll still be the best person for the job in 2 weeks.
Hi, Bob!
After 30 years of being active in politics, you would think that I would be accustomed to this sort of thing but I still don’t like a shiv in the back. Nuts!
Wonderful thing about FDL is that so many people say what I think and feel without my having to say a thing: they just step up to the plate and hit homers.
shuck the huck!
I am not at all happy with this endorsement. Ned Lamont should be deeper than this. Obama is the the “greeting card” candidate and is not the agent of change everyone seems to think he is. He, like HRC, owes a lot to the establishment. You don’t get the money he has gotten by being a virgin, you get it by being a whore. None of the candidates are Snow White as the whole concept is contrary to the current American political scene but when it comes to measuring the “degree of whoreness” then I think Edwards wins hands down.
What a smarmy smart ass that Cameron guy is.
Ron Paul laid out how today’s repug party has gone batshit crazy away from conservatism. He has no shot but I’m glad he’s in there.
Edwards wanted to fight in Ohio…Kerry folded like a cheap pup tent
it took me months to get over that
Not with me. I’ll support Hillary.
How long before Joe Lieberman gets an offer to be in Obama’s cabinet, too?
The Republican gasbags are still at it? Has anything profound been said yet? I could turn the channel, and go there, but I’m watching and old Judy Garland flick. Besides, the remote is in the kitchen.
Have to disagree. I think the rest of the world would be delighted to see Hillary after the last 7 years.
Maybe we can agree on this: Rude-E elected as president would cause a world-wide, simultaneous, exclamation of “Oh. Shit.”
Well, you can’t say that Americans aren’t optimistic if they think Obama or Hillary can come in and clean up the mess the Republicans have created. Oh, that’s right they are going to sit down at the table with rabid right wing ideologes whose goal is to drown government in a bathtub or corporations willing to sellout the country for profit. Drop me a line in France and let me know how that works out. It’s looking like once again the American public will have to settle for half assed solutions to the many vexing problems facing the nation. The vast majority of Americans have become too conservative for their own good and it will ultimately lead to the downfall of the U.S. Perhaps it will take something as dramatic as another Great Depression to realize they have bought into the big lie of American exceptionalism.
Governor Romeny sez he’s going to start loading the boxcars.
-G
The Michigan scenario is cool. The idea of saddling the goopers with Mitt is tasty. I hope people are listening.
Me too. He made his case very well, as did the Huckster.
I cannot look at Obama without seeing Joe Lieberman standing behind his shoulder, smirking.
please im still digesting dinner
But the real reason that Kerry won’t endorse Edwards is that Edwards persuaded him not to reject the vote for the Iraq Authorizing Resolution. And then, just a year later disavowed it himself.
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..iraq_vote/
Seriously. If Edwards leaves I think that Obama and Hillary should team up. One way or the other.
Heh, he has to compete with McCain’s affections… HoJo won’t come cheap… 8-(
There’s going to be a dust up. FT just mentioned sanctuary cities.
“Big Love” shows whole new sides.
Excuse me, I have to ablate my visual cortex.
me too love TCM
is he standing on a chair?
Fred Thompson believes in wide gates. Larry Craig just perked-up.
-G
Foghorn Leghorn gets old in a hurry.
Well, the real one is fine.
Don’t you get it? It’s image over substance. The U.S. is a nation that is addicted to it’s celebrities. Today Americans only vote for the star.
I think it will happen. Heal the rift.
-G
LOL
ned was a yalie right?
a member of what secret society? skull&bones? book&snake? scroll&key?
ned was always a diversion candidate. never to have been trusted. much like his brothers: john kerry, george bush, porter goss.
obama has cemented his alliance with the secret state. so as to put himself on an even plane with the clintons.
ding.
We are all Charlie Brown. Lucy wins every time.
Welcome to France, Ambassador Lieberman!
Oh goody. Hope SF makes the list.
media is the entire case imo
The lunacy really showing when they talk immigrants. Huck:”they got themselves here, they can get themselves home”
entire cause!!!!
JayT, IMHO, YMMV, it’s nice that the world would look at us differently, but I don’t see much for those who actually live here.
Again, IMHO, YMMV, I don’t mean to offend.
-S
In all fairness, I don’t think that is what he meant. It sounded to me like he was saying that to have a successful marriage, each person has to give 100%…the joke about his wife was about the “submission” misinterpretation; clearly that is not what he’s talking about…he’s talking about both partners needing to “yield” to the other…to maintain a good relationship…(like being able to say you are sorry, like caring about the person more than about an issue…that sort of thing)…JMHO
i hate electoral politics. as in HATE – all capitals.
it was only volunteering for the lamont campaign that changed that for me.
guess i’m back to seriously
hatingelectoral politics again. damn it.GOP = Grumpy Obscene Patricians
Funny with all the Olieberman mania the last two weeks trying to dispairage Obama,I didn’t see any Clintoleiberman mania.
LOL! At least we’d finally be rid of Holy Joe.
im so very sick of them all…one person to speak truth to POWER
A little mood music for you Rev. Deb.
-G
Oh, God. Can I handle the Hannity & Colmes Spin Room?
I guess it all boils down to how much you want a job in the future presidency. Kerry figures its Obama, Richardson is keeping quiet until he figures out the nominee. Dodd and Biden are doing the same. As we creep to realization, expect a flood of endorsements. These well known ego maniacs don’t want to give up the chance to be on tv every time you turn around.
Jane,
Next time you talk to Ned you can tell him for me that contrary to my former very public statement “I’d do it again in a heartbeat” not gonna happen. He won’t remember who I am personally, but I spent lots of time and money trying to get him elected. This feels like a slap in the face.
You’re evil.
What really sticks in my craw about how this primary is shaking out is the whole inevitablity thing. Hillary had in in Iowa, now Barack has it. Why bother with a primary? Let’s just have the coronation.
What has either of them done to really earn the nomination for presidency? The more I think about it, I see this primary system is deeply flawed, along the rest of our election system. We could start by separating out the candidates from big corporate donors, lobbyists etc.
And can we just get rid of every single person working in any capacity in the US media at this point? Better to have silence than the inane chattering and the outright lies and misinformation. Fox? Cnn? ABC? CBS? NBC? NPR?: STFU.
Again, IMHO, YMMV, I don’t mean to offend.
S’all right – I had to stretch a little just to get that one. *g*
I sill can’t vote for Obama… just a gut feel, there is just something about him I don’t trust. As for Hillary I don’t think she could win way too hate for her and anything Clinton.
But just because of the above statements are not the reasons I will vote for Edwards. It is more of what I see in him and the way he has lead his life, he has always has stood up for the common people and I may be wrong on this but I think he will stand up against the corporatist who currently have a strangle hold on our government.
I will be disappointed if doesn’t stay in to the convention. but I he does bow out I will support who ever gets the nod at the convention.
Never have and never will vote or support any rethuglian, I have even chased one away from my door step in 2006. One Steve Poisner just another asshole rethuglian and he still is.
I’ll pass it on.
Fox’s captive focus group proclaims Foghorn Leghorn won the debate
This proves one thing: that Ned Lamont makes the perfect political candidate. He is utterly willing to bite the hand that feeds him or stab his political friend in the back. The one person who stood up for him when it counted must go it alone, because Ned takes the opportunity to jump on the bandwagon of the guy he hopes will win, and maybe an endorsement will be rewarded with a cabinet place or ambassadorship. Heaven forbid there’s nothing in it for him. If he backs the guy that actually tried to help him even while offending a powerful colleague, and that guy loses (he’s pretty far behind having lost two primaries already) there’s nothing in it for Ned. After all, a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do to secure his own legacy. I guess we now know more clearly what his legacy is.
oh great timing. another email from obama’s campaign:
no, obama, i don’t think you do.
The Paultards aren’t going anywhere. they’re with him. how many of them are there really? i dunno. or was that 2 people who stayed up all night plastering his signs all over the place?
amen Rev.
Agree. Also, I agree with Behindthefall that Lieberman may well have a spot with Obama. That is one ugly thought.
Welcome to
FranceKenya, Ambassador Lieberman!just daydreamin’
Sounds like Fox wants to coronate Freddie.
-G
These Fox focus group people are from another dimension!!!
I’m certain it’s not the blind spot.
I could say how angry I am about the endorsement. But I won’t. But my checkbook will in the future be closed to any possible future attempts by Mr. Lamont at gaining political office. How’s that for an endorsement, Ned?
so if Im going to have to choose between Obama and Hillary, Ill wait to see who supports Dodd and FISA
okay or Afghanistan mebbe?
I think Lieberman could just as well have a spot in a Clinton administration.
I’m not voting for Obama. If he gets the nod, it’ll be the fist presidential election since 1980 that I don’t vote for the Democratic nominee. I formed an extremely negative impression of him during the Sammy Alito confirmation hearings, and I haven’t seen anything to change my mind.
Ha!! Fox had an interview with a bunch of debate watchers in Charleston, SC….all loved Thompson who they said won, and all said Paul lost.
But..not one of them had an accent from South Carolina, but what do you expect from Faux News….probably flew them in from NY or something…Bunch of BS.
Fox is giving Old McCain a hard time about immigration. He hasn’t repented enough to satisfy them.
they will speechify perhaps
okay or Afghanistan mebbe?
ok.
Somalia?
That’s right, rub it in.
The only ambassadorship for Holy Joe is Iraq, with official residence outside the Green Zone.
I support Edwards but if he’s out, I’m gonna sit out the primaries. Oh, wait. In Florida we have to sit out the primaries. Never mind.
Anybody have Lamont’s email so I can communicate my thoughts directly? Shiv in the back about sums it up. No money again from me. What a way to treat someone who stood by your side when you needed it most.
Tell Ned: info@nedlamont.com
I’m feeling the same way. I just may leave the pres. spot empty.
Maybe it was filmed in NY…I’m confused. But, it is still BS.
screech-ify and speechify
In thirty-nine years of voting the straight Democratic ticket, this is the first time I find I can barely stomach either of my party’s two frontrunners.
Nope. It was filmed in SC. But, nobody was from there in the audience.
Funny, funny, funny
Jane, I’m really confused about what there is in your post that indicates that “Ned Lamont Endorses Obama”.
I could get excited about Obama if he helped fight FISA.
as my dad used to say
its all just CONVERSATION
show me whatcha got…purty words mean nuttin honey
Fred was awfully well prepared tonight. They must have given him the questions (and answers) beforehand.
Considering what is on the Darkside you might just need to go into the booth and hold your nose. Reward yourself with a margarita afterwards.
And it was just 2 or 3 weeks ago that we were talking about what a great group we had running and that we would be happy with any of them. What the heck happened? Dodd, Biden, any of them but I guess we are not going for quality in this country.
That about sums up my feelings about the contest. Neither of them inspire confidence.
and a bubble bath
what secret society? how ’bout cock & sucker? Look, I dunno the guy and those of you who do may take offense at that. But I get him now and I shouldn’t be and am not angry or surprised. But I’m still a Rangers fan, so I’ll always be profane.
That might be as good a test as any (what Obama and Clinton do on FISA) on where to go if Edwards drops out.
Well, if Ned Lamont wants to so easily dismiss Edwards, and Edwards has to back out, I guess I’ll have to start reconsidering a second more careful look at Hillary. I say this because I agree with Carolyn U at #6:
What needs to be done is a lot more than giving a good speech. But a good speech is all I’ve seen from Obama.
here ya go
From Jane:
If I remember correctly, when Harry Reid tried to stuff S. 2248 ( a completely crappy bill ceding the entire control of what’s legal to DOJ and DNI+ immunty for the Telco/Comcos) passed the Senate, no one but Dodd came back to help.
That’d be Biden, Edwards who has automatic privileges to go onto the Senate floor as an ex-Senator, and could have gotten plenty of camera time because he was a candidate “standing up for the people” by opposing, and Clinton who all have votes and privileges to speak on the Senate floor.
None of the three candidates, either Edwards the kingmaker now who will have to decide to whom to throw his delegates (Hint–it ain’t going to be to Hillary) are going to take time off from the campaign to help make the completely shitty FISA bill less shitty.
We have a whole lot of discovery going on these days:
We have an order (that will fall flat) for the White House to answer questions on the emails they destroyed and continue to destroy after the order.
We have the Dan Rather case where Rather has been granted discovery of White House emails from Justice Grammerman in the NY S. Ct.–but just as Bush had many of his Alabama National Guard records destroyed, the new alliance between Viacom and Bush would destory any further information the discovery order was meant to discover.
The only huge problem is that the WH has trashed all the emails, and backups and will continue that practice ignoring potential obstruction chartes or spoilage sanctions.
But the thoughts in the form of court orders were nice academic moves.
And now we have the potential for Telco litigation to go further, but the White House and DOJ will hide the secret agreements with the Telco/Comcos on the rare chance that
1) Congress does not grant Telco/Comco immunity
2) The completely Bush-submissive courts don’t continue to block access to information in the pending cases against the Telco/comcos as they have in the Ninth Circuit case.
thanks Teddy. I sent it directly. Don’t know if he reads them, but I sent it.
A sad sad day.
OK
I am very dissapointed.
Edwards is the ONLY Dem I can really listen to without getting annoyed.
But I am old enough to be used to it.
If I could suck it up enough to vote for Bill Clinton
TWICE
Obama won’t be nearly so difficult.
Remember the alternative.
Will America have to settle for a faux “reformer” rather than a real progressive? If that’s the case then perhaps progressives should sit this one out and let things implode and then rather than seeking a tepid reformer America can begin looking for a true revolutionary.
That would be an outrage and is unthinkable to me. The guy endorses Mccain and gets a spot in HRC’s cabinet? Tell me it can’t happen.
The Courant has more.
And speaking of Dodd I have to say it is a disgrace that a such a champion of the constitution could not even get one percent of the vote in Iowa.
I’m disgusted. To sum up my feelings, I thinking of a profane verb and an aquatic bird.
A USA Today article analyzing the electability of presidential candidates running in Iowa barely mentioned John Edwards, even though Edwards is the only Democrat besides Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama who consistently polls in the double digits in Iowa, according to Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a media watchdog group that analyzes the accuracy of corporate media from a left-leaning perspective. The December 18 USA Today article titled Poll: Electability becoming more important to Dems, proposed hypothetical match-ups of Clinton and Obama against Republicans Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Huckabee, and discussed how each Democratic candidate might fare against the Republicans without mentioning Edwards, even though a CNN survey done December 6-9 showed Edwards polling consistently better against Republicans than either Clinton or Obama. FAIR cites Edwards’ campaign focus on corporate influence over government as a possible reason for the squeeze, and says the USA Today article is “a good example of corporate media striving to narrow down the Democratic primary field.”
nedlamont.com
But isn’t that one good thing more than what Hillary has provided?
Without Edwards, I see myself skipping the presidential section of the ballot altogether.
I’m not sure I agree with Marcos about fluffing the Mittster in Michigan. I think he is going to be the nominee. He’s the only candidate that is acceptable to Wall Street and that is all that ultimately matters in the GOP despite the window dressing. So, I really want to see how they manage to pull it off if the bastard crashes and burns during the primary season but still manages to get the nomination. There is comedy gold in that scenario.
don ‘t get your hopes up. My guess is that they won’t even vote (or be) present for the fight. I would like to be pleasantly surprised, but not holding my breath.
I voted for Edwards (today).
Hillary and Obama would be OK too.
Another gooper in the White House would be dangerous to the health of this nation.
Can we just set the record straight:
Reagan = Iran-Contra.
Reagan did not arrange the release of the Iranian hostages; Carter did.
Thompson = Watergate mole and is an actor.
What is wrong with these people?
Did anyone watch the old series “Sports Night” written by Aaron Sorkin? Well, there was a scene in which Robert Guillaume’s character says that he doesn’t take an active role supporting democrats. The person he said this to was surprised. Guillaume’s character replied “You can only get disappointed so many times”.
That’s how I feel.
Hey Bob
Do you feel as betrayed as I do? After ALL you did?
Sure would be a good test. It would be a great tmie to show some leadership.
the whole article
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3234
Hey selise, howz web mastery?
Don’t skip it. We can’t afford a continuation of the Neocons. Vote them out forever.
a good example of corporate media striving to narrow down the Democratic primary field.”
———–
the media has again chosen our canidates…like little boots was pushed down our throats twice mind you
Hey PhysioProf,
I’m waiting.
Lol.
;~)
As a former Senator, Edwards has the priviledge of going onto the physical floor of the Senate, but I don’t believe that it gives him speaking privileges. Certainly no voting rights, or ability to offer any motions.
Goose a goose
Bite a kite
*g*
Wow, I think the US navy got punk’d by Borat.
I listened to the tape of the Iranian encounter again.
“I am coming to you! In a few minutes you will blow -up! Hight five!
-G
I may not be sold on either Obama or Hillary, but I’ll be good and goddamned if I’m walking into a voting booth, seeing the name of John McCain, or The Ghoul, or Freddie, on the ballot and not do *something* about it…
Good point. i think we’ve gotta get back to that. For alot of us here, it’s sad news for our guy tonight. but Jane was right. we can’t start beating each other up. too much. more than that. when it’s over we gotta get behind that person who may not be inspiring us tonight. i know some of you don’t buy into that. I wish it were otherwise. but it ain’t. don’t wanna do it?
I own the DVD set. One of my all time favorite series! Too bad folks weren’t watching in large enough numbers. Real quality. Real values. Kind of like Edwards.
If I lived in a swing state, I couldn’t afford the luxury to withhold my vote for the President. But I live in Vermont, which will go Democratic till the cows come home.
Thanks Teddy, I sent one. I’m so sick of getting my hopes up about what kind of people we support and elect. Maybe I’ll stop being a hopemonger.
SWEG
I agree
He’s the candidate of the oligarchy. Why the fuck da ya think Bush the ancient stood beside him when he gave his “Jesus loves all of us and me best” speech? I agree that it’s good to let the goopers kick shit out of each other as long as possible- but let the Mitter go quietly into that good night.
You’re mad at penguins? :)
Lamont’s got a diary at DKos. There are 629 comments. The few I read were supportive. Didn’t get through too many.
Not particularly. I guess Edwards should have gotten the endorsement, but I think he’s done anyway. It’s gonna be Hillary or Barack. I think Ned chose the one he thought would do a better job. At least nobody can accuse him of quid pro quo re: the Edwards endorsement in 2006.
freakkkkin strange
lol! funny post by emptywheel on that too.
Ned Lamont’s dybbuk?
Lord Acton’s dictum
Tx.
Yep. Haters to the right.
Amen.
I’ve had all of the batshit crazy mutha forkers I want to deal with in this lifetime.
I think that’s exactly what it will take. Another Great Depression.
I venture to guess that many, many Americans don’t remember hunger.
There are people right here who need help.
I guess people can differ as to who is the real progressive, and America isn’t settling, they’re votingalthough I’d be quick to argue given the stupidity of the Michigan clusterfuck because of Carl Levin’s huge ego, and the frenzie over two tiny states Iowa, and New Hampshire as prognosticators, the primary season is conducted in a very stupid way compared with how it could and should be conducted.
I’m getting a little worried that the Dems are all getting painted by Dems as being equivalent to the Neocons or other Republicans.
That is not true. Obama is not a Neocon. Edwards is not a Neocon. Hillary is not a Neocon. There is a huge difference. Giving up and listening to all of the negativity is dangerous. That is exactly a Rovian tactic….whisper campaigns….rumors…etc.
Somebody get positive!!! Please????
I now do live in a swing state. I don’t feel much like swinging along with either Hill or BO. I certainly won’t give money or work on either of their behalves.
his offer will be VP
That’s it for me for today. I surrender. See you all back here tomorrow.
I’m still formulating my blogmission statement. Coming soon.
I am positive that, of the remaining candidates, I prefer Edwards
that seems to be the conventional wisdom, but I’m not sure I buy it…
What the fuck- Lamont can endorse whoever the fuck he wants. He earned it.
I also can endorse whomever the fuck I want- and I endorse Edwards.
Is that true about Edwards & floor privileges? How does that work? They can get on tne floor, but they can’t participate? Or are you saying just showing up would have been both the right thing to do and good for free TV time? i agree. i never thought of that. But what if that Rick Santorum and all those pricks started hanging around again?
Well, he stayed awake.
Barack!!! Hillary!!! John!!! Ned!!!
He didn’t have to choose anyone. He could have opted out. There was no need for him to jump on any bandwagon. That to me would have been preferable.
Looks like Ron Paul won the debate, according to Fox’s poll. 35 percent.
RIP Hillary (Sir Edmund, that is.)
Well, you already have fans, so take your time.
I got the very first comment in so I’m good.
Or…Fred…or…Mitt….or…McCain…or….Rudy.
I’ll agree that the dem candidates aren’t neocons. But I’m really hoping the candidate is not Obama. He’s not a fighter. He seems to back away from a fight. All the ‘present’ votes. His bullshit bipartisn crap. His friendship with Lieberman. His absence at crucial votes (Kyl-Lieberman). He’s just not ready to be pres.
Did I hear that right? (my eyes are not glued to the screen)
If Edwards gets out of the race, my interest in the primaries goes to zero although I do intend to vote in the general election.
If Edwards leaves, that leaves the leftiest 17% of the vote up for grabs. Who will go for it? Probably whichever of the other two finds themselves in second place.
hehe. if there’s a master it’s definitely not me. today was a couple of hours beating my head against the wall. and now i’m working on something in addition to the stuff for my nephews.
Paul supporters have a free BBQ every weekend here.
Looks like Ron Paul won the debate, according to Fox’s poll. 35 percent.
That would be the same Fox who *hates* Ron Paul and wasn’t even going to let him participate?
MWAAHAAHAAAHAA!!!
That’s true. I don’t pretend to know what motivates Ned, except that I trust he has his reasons. So far he hasn’t let me down, and he really went to bat for all of us. I’m willing to cut him some slack on this.
Ned will have to do a whole lot more before I consider him a turncoat.
The exact opposite of what Frank Luntz’ paid monkies said.
-G
Former senators can come to the floor, but I don’t think they can speak — and I’m damn sure they can’t vote or make any motions.
Generally, former Senators use this privilege only on ceremonial occasions — SOTU, a friend’s final big floor speech, a protege’s arrival in the Senate, a speech by a foreign leader, etc.
Still, just showing up to give Dodd some moral support would be a strong statement.
me too!
didja all see this,mebbe were next
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0110.html
G’nite, Carolyn – and thanks for your # 6.
All I see in Obama is a Chicago machine tool in an Armani suit.
Pols like Obama show America’s manufacturing base is thriving.
Manufacturing consent.
Teddy has a nice new post ready for us upstairs!
which is exactly why showing support for FISA would be a good move.
Now, tell me somebody made a screen grab of Ron Paul’s 35% approval rating from Faux Spew…!!!
Ah, the joy of mastering new web skills :)
LooHoo
Do they have free beer too? Maybe I’ll join up!
There’s a “Sprouts” near us and a Paul supporter keeps a car right by the entrance plastered with bumper stickers. They’re loyal. I suspect that they’re all pot smokers.
Gooper drugges- don’t that just beat all?
We do have to get behind whomever is the Democratic nominee! I would be very disappointed if the pups start going at each others throats. The alternative to not voting in the upcoming election to me is just a copout. I mean what the fuck! How can you let the RW bullshit and whispering push you the direction of not voting! Makes no fucking sense to me. Fucking grow up bite your lip and vote for our nominee come November. All this bickering just sucks. Yes we all have favorites but shit get over it! Do you really want four more years of the kind of bullshit we ahve been fed for the last seven plus years!
So under the circumstances, I’m a bit puzzled why he didn’t show respect for Edwards and defer this kind of decision until his future was clear.
Jane, who’s future? Edwards’s? Maybe lamont has concluded that it is clear. I’m puzzled as to why Lamont wasn’t out front for Edwards earlier. Anybody see that remake of Miracle on 34th Street? Puzzle no more, Beerfart. “It’s all about money, isn’t it?”
I haven’t really LIKED anyone for whom I voted on the presidential ballot for decades. I’ve gotten used to it. I ain’t marrying the fucker- just usin em to keep worse criminals out of the White House..Blowjobs vs. asinie wars. I’ll take the blowjobs.
please don’t make me sit with the wingnuts.
POWER
Yeah. You’re right. I never thought of that. He (Edwards) was against rerrocative immunity an’ all. Do you think he and his campaign, like me, just never thought of it. i don’t see any upside to him making a considered judgment to not do it. i’m guessing nobody thought of it.
When does that start?
where? TX?
no, actually, i don’t.
everyone has to figure out what is best for their own circumstances. and so long as people are thinking hard about it and trying to do the right thing… i’m not going to give people a hard time without even knowing what state they’re from.
I sure didn’t mean to imply that Edwards or any former Senator or Representative can just pop in and address the floor or vote–they can’t do that.
But among the classifications of people who have privileges to be on the floor, former members can do that.
And so when Jane mentioned that Obama didn’t go back, and she was quite right, neither did the other Senators campaigning except Dodd.
Edwards has very high visibility now as one of three people left in the Democratic race of course, so he has a pretty compelling Bully pulpit as to any issue he would choose to showcase.
Rule 23 Floor Privileges in the Senate
In the House, former members are accorded floor privileges by “tradition.”
While the primary states dominate a lot of the political blogs now, when the Intelligence bill comes back, it will get its share of the spotlight to be sure.
That’s damn near profound. Absolutely correct. My first vote (for prez), I voted third party (John Anderson). Never again – and our people certainly weren’t always inspiring to say the least. By comparison, whomever gets the nod may not be a beauty (of a candidate) but hey they’re alright. And that’s alright with me.
Your privilege your vote you do what you feel those are just my feelings about the RW neocons.
no, i know what you’re saying. it’s a great idea and i’m wonderin’ if nobody in his campaighn hadn’t thought of it, too. did they not want to leave Iowa? (he doesn’t travel on taxpayer dime like Dodd). Or did they just not think of it? Hmmmm.
Most on this site would concur with Naomi Klein’s thesis that fascism is on the rise in the U.S.. Only Ron Paul directly and John Edwards, indirectly, have addressed this troubling phenomenon. Neither Clinton or Obama have spoken to this and the Republican candidates are in full support. When Paul raised the issue with Russert, Timmy acts as if this is something that is preposterous. IMO to think that Clinton or Obama will really fight for the Constitution and for the people against corporate interestes is naive. The politicians that are being coronated by the media are merely posturing and manuvering to stake their claim on power and their “fair” share of the booty.
yeah, actually you do. you must. you have to.
the country will be watching what you do. the whole country. ya gonna let ‘em all down?
Well that’s a scary thought, but if Santorum and Tom Delay and their possie started hanging around again, you’d have a lot of pricks with off the wall chutzpah hanging around.
They sure named Delay aptly, because the interloculatory appeal in his case seems to be holding up his trial in Texas forever.
And of course DOJ who could make a case and indict Delay has become Sylvio Dante for Bush. Mukasey is the mafia consigliere who blocks anything that puts Bushco in legal jeapordy.
DOJ either stalls and stalls–Blackwater and its murders, the investigation into the rapes by members of the state department, their refusal to release the interviews of Bush, Cheney, and Rove by Fitz.
A good listmaker like Hugh could make quite a list of DOJ obfuscation.
Delay is delaying and delaying.
I would not vote for Obama, no substance all rehetoric, no record of taking strong positions. I guess it isn’t too common on this board but I believe in Hillary. I think Edwards votes are demographically more similar to Hillary’s strongest voters in New Hampshire – unions and lower-income voters (as compared to Obama’s popularity with the higher income range). I am not sure why pundits think Edwards votes would go to Obama, I think those are traditional Dems, not independents, and more likely to break for Hillary.
no one is talking about vote in for a rw neocon (although don’t forget the neocons came from the d party and there’s still plenty of them in it). sadly it is not a one party problem.
please tell me that was snark?
i may disagree with you about the clintons, but i’m not going to try to tell you what you should do. i have enough trouble trying to figure it out for myself.
“The only one of the three remaining Democratic candidates who actually went to Connecticut and put his shoulder to the wheel for Lamont was John Edwards.”
And that says a lot.
I think it’s just that because of the pressure of their schedules, pretty much dictated by this primary frenzy of states sandwhiching their contests so early and close together before Super Tuesday, so they can get attention as players (like the NYT headline today that Nevada enjoys its role as the momentum state)
Nevada Savors Its Place as Maker of Momentum
that they are exhausted, and consider that going to Washington as Dodd did making a meaningful stand, would be a diversion.
Should they? Well I take it as Jane’s point that they should and I think they should of course. That’s why they were elected in the first place.
But if you’re one of those three, and your staff wants you to be in 3 places at once every minute of the day, and considers every second before a primary precious, you’re not going back to fight in the Senate.
There have been a lot of key votes and work on issues put off, but the quick rationalization is that it’s for the “greater good.”
Most of the people responding to this article are classic litmus test liberals who don’y understand that the development of a movement precedes real change. Y’all (yes i’m from the South) complain about this move or that move and don’t understand that the construction of a movement with a platform which in Obama’s case includes a plan to fight global warming, strengthen support for teachers, withdraw troops from Iraq in 12 to 16 months, raise CAFE standards, convert to renewable energy sources, eliminate offshore tax havens for corporations, provide judicial oversight to the issuance of warrants, stop warrantless wiretapping, making health care affordable to all Americans and making the government operate more transparently can be achieved by gaining power more than by staking out positions. I respect Dennis Kucinich who has staked out numerous positions with which I am in agreement but how many become the law of the land. Attaching yourself to a cause that has no realistic shot at being achieved is not noble; it is futile. Building a coalition of good Americans including many young people who’ve never participated in politics to achieve progressive goals that may not satisfy everyone’s litmus test but reflects a strong step in the right direction on many issues which have languished for years (or decades) is leadership. That is what Lamont recognizes about Obama and those who’ve placed Lamont on the pedestal before only to attack him now for a move you can’t understand is another example of the petty short-sighted advocacy that leads to recurring despair instead of real progress.
I concur with this comment, am very disappointed in Lamont.
“Petty and short-sighted,” hmmm. What’s wrong with harnessing the hunger for Substantial Change?
I would rather support a fighter right now, someone willing to buck the status quo and fight for change.
“Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not.” RF Kennedy
“harnessing the hunger for real change” is exactly what Obama is doing. that is the beauty of the movement his campaign embodies. He has developed a community of people all over the country of supporters (thousands who’ve given their time and donations) to support a candidate who generally wish for the country to go in the same direction. Obama can and is achieving much more by building this movement than he could by casting certain single votes. Edwards was in the Senate. What fights did he engage in achieved real change? Clinton has been in the Senate longer. What has she achieved? Your RFK quote fits the whole idea of Obama’s campaign. If he is elected we will have a new reality and the fights (but not the problems) of this administration will no longer be pertinent. Obama is the closest to RFK in this race. He had the judgment to recognize that authorizing the war in Iraq was a mistake at the time and the pragmatism that you can’t withdraw overnight and the respect for Iraq now to realize we have some responsibility to get out carefully in a way that enables the Iraqis to take over.
With all due respect, you do an enormous disservice comparing anyone to Bobby Kennedy.
I suppose you have a point in terms of RFK’s ultimate fate. But his message is exactly the message Obama preaches. The cynicism in this country is so great right now in this country it is difficult to imagine a different country. Obama claims that we can change the way business is done. A big victory with strong margins in both chambers of the Congress is part of making that happen.
I am disappointed at what is starting to appear as an orchestrated attack on Obama by liberal bloggers – comparing him to Joe Lieberman, implying that Lieberman was his MENTOR!?On what basis? For not stopping in Connecticut while he was on a train? Come on. Those of us who support Obama (and yes, there are many) see in him is his deep understanding of the dynamics of power in this county, and the hope he inspires in all of us that we can change that through a democratic process. I have worked as a community and union organizer all my life- as a woman of color, I get this – I believe in this – it’s why I get up in the morning, and it’s what I hope to leave behind to my children. I worked for and supported Ned Lamont in Connecticut, I am really pround that he endorsed Obama. Maybe a little humility is in order that he knows more about his relationship with Obama. And likewise, ask yourselves what do thousands of Culinary workers in Nevada, most of them brown see in Obama? Isn’t it a little patronizing to chalk it up to his looks?
I applaud your life’s work and more pertinently your perspective which appears to view the “entire forest not just a few trees”. Imagine that people criticize Obama for his initial support of Lieberman (before he switched to Lamont after the primary) but don’t see the merit of his judgment opposing the war when so many others voted to authorize it before it started, which is the critical time – not after troops are deployed – that Congress needed to act prudently.
It seems to be a demonstration of distrust for Sen. Clinton. Has Obama had conferences with national leaders where he has told them what he plans to do? Is he afraid to tell the rest of us?
when a real candidate comes along, do let me know. Since we have many months and a likely independent bid or two, perhaps we can end these absurd parties. Best thing we can do for ourselves is eliminate the parties. They do not work for us and they never will. We have no further use for them. The only way the action that the majority of the people in this country agree upon will ever become reality is to have a coalition government that can act on something their block will agree with another. There is gridlock forever otherwise. And an endless parade of bribery and fraud by our elected officials.
so what parties do you think we would have? Green, Labor, Conservative, Liberal, Evangelical, Corporate, Mafia, Foreign Agent, I see many options, but 95% would likely fit within the first 5, and allow real action for the country. It appears Greens may now outnumber all others. Isn’t that fascinating?
why do they spend millions for a job that doesn’t pay enough to live fancy? why do they all live well beyond their means? time to end it. none of our candidates is qualified as a human being because they lie without conscience. end it.
Now now, let’s not be mean. Remember, the Iowa and NH votes could’ve been entirely fraudulent. One lady from Iowa recounted how there were unknown faces in her precinct and another talked about knocking on doors for months and then seeing Obama supporters at the caucuses she’d never heard of before. Also, in NH they used Diebold machines which spat out a result entirely different than any of the polls (including Obama’s and Clinton’s) had going in.
If Obama is going to be dismissed before long it will be very bad for the party and there would be bad residual feelings for the other candidates. But, it means Edwards would still be a candidate.
Edwards needs to win SC to get on the board and then Super Tuesday will be a more fair fight with the others.
Well, at least we now know that Ned Lamont aspires to be a real politician.
John Edwards took the BIG risk and went to the mat for Ned Lamont. Ned Lamont repaid him by tag-teaming with John Kerry to push him out of the race and clear the field for Obama. This reminds me of those illegal tag-team moves where the heavies cheated to win the title in the old National Wrestling Organization. Both Lamont and Kerry exhibit about the same class.
Although, I am too young to have experienced it, my parents and grandparents used to tell me about the good old days when you could take a man’s word to the bank. Even that of a politician. I guess Ned Lamont and John Kerry never heard about those times.
Of course nowadays, among politicians and would-be politicians, honor is just another word in the dictionary.
But as my grandmother always used to say, some men have character, some men are characters while some men pretend to have it. The trick is to know the difference before they stab you in the back.
Actually, I can think of one situation where a former senator can speak at some length on the senate floor. If you remember, former Senator Dale Bumpers spoke for President Bill Clinton during the senate trial.
I actually think that Edwards support would go more to Clinton than Obama if he left. Keeping him in is good for Obama.
As for Lamont–when he needed help and was damn near friendless amongst prominent politicians, John Edwards came through for him. When John Edwards needed help and was damn near friendless, Lamont didn’t help him. I find that… distressing. Where I come from you don’t fail to repay those sorts of debts without a /damn/ good reason. Not only should Ned not have endorsed Obama, he should have endorsed Edwards a couple months ago when it would have done some good, flown out to IA or NH, and campaigned for him, reactivating part of his team to do so. Mind you, the fact that he didn’t and that he did endorse Obama is not Obama’s fault, and I don’t blame Obama at all.
All 3 candidates are better than any Republican, but of the three I like Obama the least (and given I’m hardly a Clinton fan, that says something. But oddly, I find Clinton more trustworthy. I don’t like her positions, but I know what they are and I do believe that she is extraordinarily competent, which I don’t know about Obama. Giving a great speech is wonderful, and it’s important as president, but it’s not the only thing that matters.)
Aside: Lieberman was Obama’s mentor. New Senators are assigned mentors, Obama’s was Lieberman. There is every indication that they are very close, and Obama himself has sung Lieberman’s praises.
They have a system. when a new senator joins the Senate, “The Club”, he or she is mentored by another senator who has been around a while. Obama specifically asked that Lieberman be his mentor and Lieberman agreed.
Google it. I’m certain there’s something on the web about it.
So quid pro quo should trump merit in all political endorsements. What if Lamont truly believes Obama is the best candidate to be President. Should that be subsumed to his political favor he owes Edwards.
Politicians just cannot resist the urge to pile on. At least Hillary sent over Howard Wolfson to offer some advice, and I think organized a fundraiser for Ned.
You would think that he could have at least held off a couple of weeks out of courtesy/loyalty. The fact that Lamont sees Obama to be the best candidate reveals something about his judgement, and how it diverges from some of us who were ardent Lamont supporters. It will certainly make me think twice about going back to my home town in CT and canvassing for him the next time he runs for office.
Disappointing, but not surprising. Makes me mad cuz I gave a few hundred dollars to Ned’s campaign, but then I remember it was more out of hatred for Lieberman than support for Ned. Even from Ned’s campaign spots I could tell he probably wasn’t up to the task. His body language was all wrong. He would be saying yes, yes, yes with words, but no, no, no with his body (like shaking his head side to side when he was saying he wanted your vote).
Someone had to step up and challenge Lieberman, so I appreciate Ned for trying. But he’s not a politician AT ALL. I wouldn’t try to read any significance or ulterior motive in his endorsement than a naive man joining a naive movement of Obama bin Lieberman. He’s finished as a politician, and that’s just as well. Hopefully his legacy will be some more qualified progressives and liberals being emboldened to challenge the status quo Dem. That’s about as much as we can hope for from this guy.
Hah! Ned has decided to be a politician first, not a principled politician. I would have thought out of some feeling for Edwards that he could have refrained from doing this at this time.
Like others, I’m angered and disappointed at Ned’s contribution to the orchestrated airbrushing of John Edwards from the Democratic political discourse.
This constitutes a betrayal of Ned’s own legacy. The groundswell of support he garnered in the spring and summer of 2006 helped make it acceptable for all Democratic candidates (or at least those so inclined) to position the Iraq war as not just incompetently executed but wrong from the get-go. Ned’s candidacy, even in its eventual defeat, thus elevated the discourse.
John Edwards, for reasons having nothing to do with relative merit, is currently a long shot, something about which Ned should understand and identify. Moreover, Edwards is elevating and energizing the discourse in this election, going places Clinton and Obama refuse to go with respect to corporate malfeasance, universal healthcare, and the rock-bottom need to fight the bastards rather than “heal” the partisan discord.
Even if only in pyrrhic victory, Edwards is pressuring the top candidates to hear the concerns of the progressive base and fear the consequences of ignoring them. Much as Ned himself did in 2006. By doing his part so early in the campaign to knock Edwards out of contention and earshot, Lamont is helping to cut both Obama and Clinton ideological slack that neither deserve.
All that said, a couple of points:
1. By and large, the only people who recognize Ned Lamont’s name, much less care what he says, are already so politically engaged that they’re going to follow their own personal drummers anyway.
2. It seems clear to me that Kerry and Lamont chimed in, in unison, at this moment because both got spooked by Clinton’s strong showing in New Hampshire. If so, then they at least share the top two rungs of my own current Presidential priorities, to wit:
* It is imperative that the Republicans lose the White House;
* It is imperative that Hillary Clinton, a DLC neocon enabler, not become the Democratic nominee;
* It is eminently preferable that of the remaining viable candidates, the most progressive prevails.
Obama needs to address some very serious questions. However, Mainstream Media knows and avoids this. It’s totally convincing that across the board in the electromagnetic spectrum, cable and free space the Conservative Republican control of media is currently in full swing. Biased to limits we have never see before, and limits they can’t explain, but blame the electorate. The writers too.
With every conscious deceitful effort, even to the point of appearing as a full fledged public servants to fill the basics in license responsibilities to the public, the media obnoxiously even through Hollywood scripting, operate in full force to write or rewrite history in cable, free air television shows, and motion pictures, etc. Much of it with real hype and some even deceitful. The Writer Guide knows this and is responding in a simple fashion, to make public declarations were necessary, and were all should share in the harvests.
Especially as those in the fine arts culture who are real patriots and Americans fundamentally understand, as most American’s know now the war has been won a long time ago in Iraq, our troops have been victors in hand to hand combat. But, the cultural combat from those ideals in the fundemental Democratic formula starts with the written elements of our Constitution to the human variety of descriptions in every day works of life, the writers of history are the true challenge to the division in cultures, and any future win. The writers are the weapons needed today and of the future.
Since English is our core value and needed to perform and operate daily as a citizen I agree with even with some right wingers that ask the question to Obama as to why did he “Vote Against” English as our unifying language? But what we don’t see and has been totally oppressed is this part of the debate by mainstream Media. This simple question totally dismissed and totally so valuable and fundemental for America‘s cultural challenge shows me a totally inept thinking. Or a deliberate issue to avoid support for the simple an honest principles that are part of the intellectual capital that is right full to those writers.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I am sorry, this is “change” I question in Obama’s decision to vote no. This is not the leadership I want to follow. Obama needs to reflect my needs not his. To put it simple as in that old commercial about Star Kiss Tuna, with Charlie Tuna,,, Sorry Charlie… Obama needs the hook.
I will never understand why so many on this site believe that Edwards is some grand progressive. I mean, I like Edwards, and I admire his incredible perseverance, but his record in the Senate was no more progressive than Obama’s and Clinton’s records. A year ago – before Obama entered the race- he was quoted as saying that corporations would have a seat at the table. His plan to run as the “change” candidate and position himself as the first alternative to Clinton got hoodwinked when Obama joined the race so Edwards had to come up with a new stance. His rhetorical position became that he will never compromise with the corporate interests. Its as much a slogan as it is a real plan to govern. An augmented majority for the Dems in the 2 chambers of Congress plus a Dem prez will be the best way to reduce corporate influence in Washington.
I’m with you on your analysis of Obama — something does not ring true for me.
I believe Edwards is the real deal – but he is being shut down by MSM and others. And as others have stated here — Edwards message could be honed a little bit — but I think a little anger is great and appropriate — especially after the crooks and liars in this administration have morally and economically bankrupted our country!
Yeah, well. Edwards’ past is not perfect and Obama’s Republican-Lite rhetoric may only be rhetoric, as well, but I find his use of Republican framing intensely disturbing.
I’m resigned to be dissatisfied with the Democratic nominee for the umpteenth time since I became eligible to vote. I am now going to be 0 for 9 in terms of my first choice not being chosen in the primaries. It’s difficult to imagine right now getting excited about the process, but once the general election gets underway and we have a genuine Republican ogre to compare with the Democratic nominee, I’m sure I’ll re-engage.
I couldn’t disagree more. The English language is not a value. It is a means to communicate. Values are things like freedom, creativity, family, originality, hope and peace. English is merely a means for people to communicate with one another.
When asked in a debate by Wolf Blitzer whether he would support a bill making English the official language he courageously took issue with the question on the ground that the designation does not seek to achieve any worthy, constructive purpose – there are already plenty of laws that prescribe how certain federal forms and websites must be written – but merely to divide the country into groups and marginalize – and demonize – those who can’t speak the language. My great-grandfather who was probabaly in his forties when he came here at the end of the nineteenth century barely spoke the language. I applaud the vote by Obama. Those who pursue that legislation do so to score political points not to make the government work any better.
Ned is already running for Lieberman’s seat and wants to be on the winning side. I just think he could have waited a few weeks or months. And you’re right, he’s being an ordinary politician when he betrays Edwards at this time.
OK, I see that Lamont’s motives are considered suspect. Ned is a good guy. His rationale may be naive. I think Ned is making a mistake, and he is shaking hands with the guy who spat on his campaign, and mocks progressives, but I think Ned is just plain wrong on this endorsement. Not morally errant.
I just wrote my letter as well. My heart is broken, truly.
“At the same time, after promising to endorse the winner of the primary, Obama went through Connecticut by train and refused to stop in the state out of fear of challenging Lieberman. He had earlier in the race spoken out at the Jefferson Jackson dinner for Lieberman, his mentor.”
Did I miss something last year? Why would Obama have had a “fear” of challenging Lieberman? In for a penny, in for a pound, at least when it comes to betrayal. He wasn’t afraid of betraying Lieberman. He only went thru the motions of endorsing Lamont because he was afraid of the backlash of not supporting a party candidate when he was getting ready to run for Preznit. Obviously his heart has belonged to Lieberman all along, and I’m sure he’ll find a place for Lieberman in his “bipartisan” cabinet. Especially since Lieberman will become irrelevant in the Senate after a Democratic landslide.
If you’re looking for an ulterior motive for Lamont, there it is: Obama becomes Preznit, Lieberman becomes Sec’y of Defense, and Lamont sails into the Senate after smearing the Republican replacement in a special election (mebbe they’ll get the governor into the spirit of bipartisanship and she’ll pick Lamont). Of course I don’t believe Lamont is that shrewd, but it could very well happen that way anyhow. I see him as a somewhat brighter Dem version of Lincoln Chaffee, decent, but a bit hapless and easily manipulated by the more cunning players.